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Forum Post: How the Republicans will tamper with the votes

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 16, 2012, 6:40 p.m. EST by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY
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[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Ummmmmm considering OWS' concern over election fairness and transparency in Mexico, Iran and Russia isn't a bit odd that OWS as such has said and done nothing concerning election fairness and transparency here?

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Progressives supposedly are against white supremacism and are against the oppression of minorities. This is supposedly a progressive forum. The "Black question" or "Black issue" is central to US politics. This article illustrates how the politically easy thing to do in the USA is to "kick a nigger."

Even the first Black president engages in it to a modest extent. That means the political status and therefore the real actual material future of the African American people is tenuous. Therefore a progressive ought to take action to reduce "kick a nigger" politics. Therefore a progressive ought to be against the mobilization of white supremacy and "kick a nigger" politics and a real and meaningful way - like voting against the racist white supremacist candidate.


[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Sounds like someone is already convinced that Romney is going to win and must begin explaining that win before it happens...

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

No, maybe the Dems are ready with countermeasures or maybe they will have better hackers. To think it's a simple matter of people voting and their votes being counted fair and square to me is naive. If they approach it as though the Reps are just too nice to engage in this sort of thing they are lost. Probably both parties have their people working on this while we chatter.

[-] 1 points by Barfnow (-16) 1 year ago

Yes! The black helicopters will rape the democracy of this nation!

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago


[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

scary. I definitely recommend the first one for anyone participating in the vote count.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Remember and never forget that the conservatives really sincerely believe that the votes of the 47% are not legitimate and in fact the participation of the 47% in their view pollutes the republic. If you absorb this fact you know they will not just sit there and complain about it to each other. You have to say the conservatives believe in acting on their beliefs. Romney's breathtaking 180's and flat out lies show that they are going to do everything they can to win.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the fukers

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago


[-] 0 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Where in the hell do you get that silliy shit?

[+] -4 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

There is no such "fact" in existence. The only way to come to such a ridiculous conclusion is to base your entire argument on spin and words taken out of context AND THEN apply that concoction of lies and fabrication to EVERY SINGLE CONSERVATIVE in existence equally-which in itself is ALSO absurd.

If the voting process is so flawed and so easily accessible to just about everyone, then why haven't the liberals been fixing that? Don't you have to say that liberals ALSO believe in acting on their beliefs too? Why should the machines be trusted when they spit out a Democratic win?

If you want to stand by your point here-then you have to be willing to apply it to BOTH sides of the argument.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

On point ZD.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I'm sorry....is frogman one of your sock puppets or do you feel he/she cannot form their own response?

Now, please define the word "fact" for me as you define it. Because I don't think this word means what you think it means.

It's really extremely difficult to PROVE what anyone believes or thinks based on sheer behavioral observations, which is why no one accepts the interpretation of behavior as FACTS. Most people are also smart enough to realize its irrational to apply an interpretation to roughly 75%+ of the population and declare that interpretation to be a FACT.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Like I said - you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass

conservatives are not 75% of the population. 100% of conse(R)vative (R)epelican activists are nothing but liars, thieves, and whores of Caesar

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I used the word "roughly" and hereby correct and amend my previous statement.


Conservatives and moderates (irregardless of whether or not they are Democrats or Republicans) make up 75% of the population. Liberals make up 21%.

58% of Democrats consider themselves to be "very conservative, conservative or moderate" with only 39% of them saying they are "liberal or very liberal".

Even if you take the "moderate" people out, 40% of American adults identify as conservative or very conservative, whereas only 21% of American adults identify as liberal or very liberal.

So...when you say 100% of conservative Republican activists are liars, thieves and whores of Caesar, what FACTS are you basing that on? Did those FACTS bite you in the ass?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

There are a few ways to look at this. Politifact concentrated on self-identification polling, which shows far more American self-identify as conservative than as liberal, and decided that the plurality lead for “conservative” in those polls is at least close to Rubio’s “majority” claim. At a narrowly literal level — and that’s not a crazy level for Politifact to use in many cases — that’s not an unreasonable position. And yet the political difference between a nation in which a group makes up over 50% of the electorate and one in which that group is at around 40% is quite significant.

One could look at it another way, which is to get beyond self-identification to go to whether people believe in conservative concepts or not. But then it gets very tricky, as can be seen easily in from the speech Politifact was fact-checking. Rubio actually said: The majority of Americans are conservatives — they believe in things like the Constitution. I know that’s weird to some people…” Politifact ignored that context of Rubio’s comment, turning it into a narrow question of self-identification. But that’s not actually what Rubio was saying. He’s making a political claim that believing in the Constitution makes one a conservative. But that’s, on the surface false — virtually all Americans, liberals included, believe in the Constitution. Or it’s false in a different way: if Rubio is going to say that believing in the Constitution means believing in a particular interpretation of the Constitution, then those who do so may all be conservatives, but now we’re talking about a very small group of Americans who are well-versed in the controversies about Constitutional interpretation. Or it’s just a claim not open to fact-checking, that most Americans would agree with Rubio’s version of the Constitution if they thought about it. Or one could understand the statement as a rhetorical device. That’s not a bad thing for someone to point out (it seems to be a staple of 6th grade education), but it has nothing to do with how many Americans self-identify as conservatives, and selecting out that portion of the statement to fact-check seems, really, sort of perverse).

Moreover, one could point out that the real answer here is none of the above: Americans are not liberal, conservative, or moderate in their ideology, because most Americans aren’t ideological at all. That’s one of the classic findings in political science studies of voters. Americans are, indeed, partisan — but they don’t think in ideological terms.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

True most Americans identify with conservatism or "moderation". At the same time when OWS was on a roll and fresh and new and before the media got its counter strategy together and the permanent government (aka the state) got its counterinsurgent placed as non leading leaders or leading non leaders into the non leadership and at the same time terrorized the vast majority of legitimate protesters the polls showed the working class to admire and look to OWS. It will be a hard scrabble to recoup this momentum.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Sock puppet? Me? Well my history is here for the intrepid investigator. If it matters to you, google away! I often miss a day or two or three here. I'm glad ZD stepped in to correct you.

[-] -3 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You didn't address the statement that when dems win the votes are always correct and unquestionable, when reps won there was cheating. Why don't you comment on that?

[-] 4 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago


Because I haven't seen an election where dem stealing the vote was as wide spread, prolific, or concerted as the 2000, 2004 Presidential elections, and this year we have ample evidence that they are at it again.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I realize that this will not fit your view but the 2000 ele tip. Was not stolen, gore made a stupid move and tried to skirt around election laws. Then when he realized he wasn't going to be able to do that he tried to backtrack and ask for the statewide recount but it was to late then.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Gore's behavior may or may not have had an impact on the recount - that has nothing to do whatsoever with the wide spread voter fraud and disenfranchisement that has been documented and does in fact include the ballot design itself.

why don't you go piss up a rope.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

As long as that rope leads to your face I will! It matters moron because he thought the law didn't apply to him. Like most retards he found the law does apply to him. The ballot design is really what your blameing?!!? There was no wide spread voter fraud, it was documented so well that no court belived them. So basically you say dems were disenfranchised because they were to stupid to make sure the chad was punched out. Then to top it off they tried to say what the voters intent was??? Please if that was two trying to do that you would the same way I am to you......pathetic.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Donald Norman, author of Psychology of Everyday Things, complained bitterly about the specific design of that ballot - butterfly in design, with two columns of candidates, and between these two columns, a single column sandwiched between, with boxes to be punched.

From Ask Tog, January, 2001

  • The Butterfly Ballot: Anatomy of a Disaster

    • The man who lost the popular vote both country-wide and in the state of Florida was recently elected President of the United States because a ballot in Palm Beach, Florida, was printed in such a way that when people attempted to vote for the Democratic candidate, Gore, many ended up voting for the conservative candidate, Buchanan, or for both Gore and Buchanan.

YOu can also review this article by Salon:

Friday, Jul 27, 2012 10:34 AM EDT

  • Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes

    • Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"

    • By Alex Seitz-Wald

In the debate over new laws meant to curb voter fraud in places like Florida, Democrats always charge that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of liberal voting blocs like blacks and young people, while Republicans just laugh at such ludicrous and offensive accusations. That is, every Republican except for Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.



and once you are done with your home work

why don't you kiss my ass

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What is funny - and what no one asks about - why don't they do ballots like they did the Iowa testing scores = black out the circle next to your answer. I was told that even those way back in the late 50's and early 60's were counted electronically. But they were also able to review by eye examination.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

that sounds like a very good question

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It was simple and accurate and easily verifiable.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Yea stupid reps wanting me to show a ID when I vote , never mind the fact I have to have one for a million things in a modern life. I have a feeling between kissing you head or your ass the ass would be the smarter of the two.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Wow the ballot is hard to figure out......really ? Your source is a guy who ass is in legal trouble (not related to voter issues) no sign of desperation there. As far as kissing your ass I would but your head is up there and there's no room.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13307) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I gave you pictures and everything - and you still can't figure it out.



You are dumber than a box chock full of rocks.

and not half as useful.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Your picture wouldn't convince a Pre-schooler (maybe that's why you believe it). Zen life is hard; it's even harder when your stupid.......life is dry hard for you isn't it?

[-] 0 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Yep. This will be the cry of the reds when their messiah loses. How boring. Couldn't be due to a (somewhat ) free people deciding to go a different direction for their country. And for future generations. Oh those horrible conservatives!

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I don't mind being called a red but most Democrats would have a problem with that. Obama is no Messiah. The people could be the Messiah if and when they awaken.

[-] 0 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

He could be? Do you really believe that?

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I didn't say Obama "could be" a messiah. I said and I quote "Obama is no Messiah. The people could be the Messiah if and when they awaken." Meaning once the majority of the people awaken to reality they can do truly great things - things I'd almost say are miraculous.

[-] 0 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

I see. I guess it would depend on what group of people.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'd start with the 47% and grow it upwards.