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Forum Post: How Can We Fix A Broken America? Please EVERYONE Contribute Ideas!

Posted 3 weeks ago on July 1, 2014, 11:50 a.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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There are a lot of things we need to do to fix America and to create a better culture and society, and perhaps that is why a coherent message from occupy wall st. never really emerged and thus solutions to the problems we face.

First you have to identify the problems. We have a political system that is ineffective and unresponsive, an economic system that is teetering on the edge of complete collapse and that destroys wealth instead of creating it, we have an aging infrastructure that is reducing productivity, and finally we have an environment that is being destroyed by the prodution of energy and the extraction of resources/manufacturing of goods and is on the verge of an irreversable tipping point. Can we all agree these 4 main problems are the base for virtually all of Americas problems and in fact the whole worlds problems?

I have a ten proposals off the top of my head to create a better America though obviously it will take these actions and many more to restore balance to all systems:

1) Legalize marijuana and hemp and psychedelics/natural medicines.

2) De-privatize the commons and vital institutions.

3) End unsustainable development, manufacturing, and production practices.

4) Rehabilitate and enhance degraded lands, wetlands, and water ways.

5) Retrofit existing infrastructure and buildings using sustainable and people/environmentally friendly techniques and practices where it is cost efficient and practical where it is not replace with new sustainable technologies.

6) Break up monopolies and too big to jail/fail and end the laws and regulations that prevent an opensource economy from innovating new products, technology, design, and practices/techniques.

7) Create options for free higher education/job training and overhaul the entire education system using new technologies, employing student specific learning plans, etc.

8) Create options for free health care and overhaul the system with an emphais on a preventative holistic approach to medicine, disease, and healing.

9) Engage in the creation of mass green public works and infrastructure projects.

10) Create laws ensuring a living wage so people can afford decent housing, clothing, and goods; as well as ensuring a minimum of two weeks paid vacation and a 32 hour/4 day work week.

I will come back later and list additional ideas and exactly what kind of actions should be taken under each concept, the positive effects each one will have, and how each idea will contribute to turning things around. Please post any additional ideas you have or thoughts. Please post any flaws you think each idea has and i will address these specifically. I want this thread to be a place for debate and for the flushing out ideas and concepts that could be central to the foundational platform for a revolutionary coalition that enacts change.

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (18261) 3 weeks ago

''How to Create the Ideal Government and Society'', by Roger Copple :

USA v Belgium 0-0 aftr 90 minutes. 30 minutes extra time just started. Excellent TeamUS peformance ... so far. Come On USA .. in more ways than one !!! Read the article please !! It's a GREAT dot joiner !

EDIT : Shoot !!! Belgians just scored !! C'mon USA - 25m to get an equaliser & then penalty shoot out !

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i stand in solidarity with my brazilian brothers and sisters against fifa and the world cup. take that shit somewhere else.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18261) 3 weeks ago

Don't get too huffy numbnuts !!! The essence of the above post was in the link !! USA 1 Belgium 2 after 120 minutes of competitive play & the US team played great, with passion, energy & good team work !

Solidarity to The 99% Everywhere - in our beautiful world !!! Football is the true democratic, meritocratic 99% sport and microcosmic of many good things !! Read this article below for a quantum of mysticism !

''This old new class is a 'caste class.' Piketty is not only opening a conversation about class, but about caste, a point largely lost in all the commentary on his book.'' Consider that & re.football, be cool man !

spero meliora ...

[-] 2 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 weeks ago

Wolf-pac.com Those are good ideas that you have but with big money owning our politicians there is not much chance of them being enacted. The root cause of all our problems is the corruption of money affecting our representatives. Once we remove that corruption we will have representatives who act for the benefit of their constituents and we can really get to work fixing our country. Vermont and California have already called for an article 5 convention to address this issue. Only 32 states to go.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 day ago

how does this address the dumbing down of culture and society and the totally fucked up values and morals of this country? this has to start at the grassroots level. we have to build it ourselves and when the titanic goes down we can pull up in our party boat and save the day. watch how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6bP6Vw1To

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3317) 1 day ago

Excellent video 'qm'.

"This episode explores the viability and necessity of a green economy and methods to kick-start one through "green community-centers" in every major city. Kevin Danaher is an anti-globalization activist, and the co-founder of Global Exchange, and the executive producer of Green Festivals. The Green Festivals are festivals that happen annually in four cities to promote environmentally friendly ideas and products.

Directed by Joao Amorim"

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (569) 1 day ago

That is a good video, I like that guy's style.

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (167) 3 weeks ago

We need to reduce our consumer support of the richest 1% and their golden corporate geese. In particular, GE, Wall-Mart, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, AT&T, Beyonce, Blue Cross, Comcast, Dreamworks, Honeywell International, the Koch brothers, Las Vegas Sands, Lockheed Martin, Oprah Winfrey, Starbucks, the NRA, Warren Buffet, and ALL of the pharmaceutical companies. Also, we need to stop raising money for 'cures' which will never come. Let the health care industry pay for it's own damn FOR PROFIT research and development.

and holy crap if we don't stop worshiping celebrities, then we may as well hang it up. They are NOTORIOUS for making people stupid. Especially, when it comes to economics.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i agree we do vote with our dollars everytime we make a purchase and that by bringing things/people/ideas into disscusion that don't warrant discussion and putting them into the zeitgeist and allowing a false equivalancy between an inferior or unfounded concept and a practical and applicable concept is a big problem.

i also think it should be easier to identify ethical businesses vs unethical businesses without doing a freaking background check on every step of the supply chain when you want to buy a smart phone.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

what kind of businesses in production, manufacturing, and distibution of products, goods, and services such as media do you think should be promoted in that case?

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (167) 3 weeks ago

Smaller and more necessary. We don't need to buy everything on the shelf. I realize that we can't eliminate the concept of big business. I wouldn't want to. It has a legitimate place. But it's gotten TOO BIG and TOO POWERFUL. It wasn't anywhere near this bad 30 years ago. We need to reduce our support and give that support instead to smaller businesses. Business which ARE NOT publicly traded. Preferably unincorporated.

Hell, I'd rather buy two paper cups and a roll of yarn from a yard sale then a cell phone or plan from AT&T.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i understand but what i would like you to do is really dig down inside yourself and offer some thoughtful comprehensive solutions to the problem of multinationals. what kind of business models and plans would you have the governement support if any for example? what kind of legislation would you like to see and what are the anticipated effects? please i really would like to hear from you.

[-] 2 points by StillModestCapitalist (167) 3 weeks ago

The government won't do right by us regardless. Not as long as they are so strongly influenced by the corporate juggernauts that we strengthen every time we buy their products and services. But like everyone else here, I do have thoughts.

A flat and strictly enforced tax rate of 25% on business profits over $100,000. No more government subsidies or tax breaks except as temporary measures for small start-ups, or in rare cases where we NEED progress made in a particular field like alternative energy, or as a temporary lifeline for any business large or small in dire need. This as one measure in order to help prevent the impact of bankruptcies. But no more outrageous favors for GE, Wall-Mart, or any other juggernaut.

Minimum state and city rates. No more exceptions. This in order to help prevent the wake of destruction left behind as jobs, wealth, and revenue are transferred from one city or state to another.

No more requirements that employers large or small provide health coverage to any employee EXCEPT for work related injuries and illnesses. Instead, regulate the LIVING SXXX out of our HORRIBLY CORRUPT health care industry.

Instead of forcing employers to provide that coverage, our government should get that health care industry reformed, get those costs, WAY DOWN, and provide assistance to anyone who needs that assistance.

I have no problem with the concept of multi-nationals as long as they play fair and pay their taxes on all profits made. I have a problem with juggernauts, their government influence, and OBSCENE profits.

I have a lot of ideas but I'm no insider, accountant, economist, professor, politician, or expert in any field. So if by 'comprehensive', you mean a full breakdown with calculations to back up every idea, you'll need to consult with one of the above. Just remember one thing.

THEY OFTEN LIE.

Here is one more to remember.

THEY CAN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IF THEY ARE DIE-HARD PARTISAN.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (569) 3 weeks ago

A 100% overhaul of k-12 education and the ability of parents to stay together (a 50%+ divorce rate wreaks havoc on a child's mind/security) may bring us the intended results as well.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

what kind of changes would you make to make these things a reality?

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i agree an overhaul of our educational institutions in badly needed we have new technologies and data on proven educational methods and techniques that really improve student comprehension and performance. more so than divorce which is often a byproduct of economic problems and work related pressures or demands. what we need is a re-enforcement of a positive active community with a place for ritual mystical spiritual experience and philosophical analysis as a foundational institutional aspect of community.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (569) 3 weeks ago

ritual mystical spiritual experience and philosophical analysis as a foundational institutional aspect of community. - That would probably be the #1 thing we could use at this point.

[-] 4 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i believe that they are very critical pieces missing in modern life. an individual having a positive reinforcing community that they can have a deep, profound, and meaningful connection to is a crucial compent needed for the development of and the continued health of, the human animal. helping to create a productive and creative society flourishing and vibrant and diverse culture.

[-] 1 points by pigeonlady (126) from Brooklyn, NY 3 weeks ago

Wow. So a better America depends on anaesthetizing your mind and body so the corporations know you will never achieve the maximum potential and just be 'happy' making enough to sit in a corner tokin'. To hell with those of us who do not want to do pot, as either a moral or ethical reluctance, or those of us, like me, who are so allergic that second hand smoke from a distance and outside has twice put me in an asthma attack so bad I was hospitalized once and semiconscious in the trunk of a police car on oxygen the other, while the neighbors razzed me as weak. Being I a fetal position in the trunk of a police car, dude. That was embarrassing enough, although I don't know what might have happened if he wasn't there. Realize I get sick and have to use the emergency inhaler as well as decongestant each time, and here in Brooklyn it's frequent. Even regulated pot still has carbons and tars like cigarettes but are psychotropic in nature. not all of us want artificial experiences or mind altering substances, which your proposition means I have to inhale and as I guess just die. Other points reasonable but not all happening at once and not if everyone is messed up and sedated. Skip the drugs.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 day ago

i never said any of the words you tried to put in my mouth. good try though. legalizing these substances is key for freedom and liberty. unless of course you hate freedom and liberty.

[-] 1 points by wickerman (61) from Cleveland, AR 3 weeks ago

True grass roots change. Ignore Washington, consider them irrelevant and their corporate masters along with them. I have posted this before, but I'll repeat it here. Find a need and fill it, start a business from your home. Grow a crop, build a product etc. Abide by the laws, until they become so stupid that you can't. Then push your state AG or legislature to pass nullification on a state level. Failing that, civil disobedience. Their are farmers markets in the state of Arkansas that follow the laws and regulations of for sale products. Their are also those that don't, they operate in the shadows, a sort of black market if you will. It is up to us, no one is going to help, and the government is not listening. Stand up and fix the problem, don't wait for someone else to do it. Buy local, even if it costs more, and it will. No one in America can produce from their home what underpaid Chinese kids mass produce, not for the same price. Buy local!!!!! And here is the kicker, if you aren't producing something, why not?

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 3 weeks ago

i know what i can do for me i am talking about nationwide solution and how to get there.

[-] 1 points by wickerman (61) from Cleveland, AR 3 weeks ago

That is my suggestion. This is an individuals coming together solution. Each of us doing for ourselves, then coming together to fill in the gaps. I have heard it described as 'Peoples Capitalism' and it was what existed in preindustrial America. Each house hold producing, and trading within the community with other households. Communities then trading with other communities etc. It started then with individuals producing and looking for a market, it'll have to start the same way again.

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 day ago

first you have to create a community where there is none and that is easier said than done.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (569) 1 day ago

Very true, but I think we are going to see more decay and breaking down of classic institutions in this country as times goes by, and the planet deals with globalization and the new way of doing things. With that, we may see a return to basics.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 day ago

First, you must know libe(R)tarian history, well beyond what you've learned at Alex Jones' web site.

From it's founders magazine.

http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/2014/07/25/koch-brothers-funded-holocaust-denial/

Continue your denial at the risk of everything.

[-] 2 points by wickerman (61) from Cleveland, AR 1 day ago

Shooz, I am beginning to believe that you are little more than a troll. Instead of being anti-libertarian, why don't we just drop the labels, and look at exactly what I posted. Is that libertarian? Maybe, but I never said anything about the rest of the crap that comes with the libertarian philosophy, so until I do stop arguing against a libertarian and start arguing with me. The system I am talking about came from the book Unforgiven, written by Charles Walters back in the 60's or early 70's, not from Alex Jones web site.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 day ago

https://occupywallst.org/forum/a-case-against-minimum-wage-laws/

Now that, is actual troll behavior.

Thinking, takes practice and you need more.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 day ago

Actually, I wasn't talking to you.

But if you want, just let me know what you want to talk about.