Forum Post: Here is what I will support when it comes to OWS...
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 1:21 p.m. EST by thomasmiller
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Hi all, You know me as the anti-OWS troll, but let me tell you what we do have in common.
Actually, I would love the lawbreakers on Wall Street to be held accountable. Some of you may not like George Bush, but he held those responsible for Enron accountable. In that same way, I wish Obama would go after the people who were responsible for Bear Stearns and Lehman. Do you think I enjoyed watching all those guys come out of those offices with their boxes? Broken dreams....
You and I do have common beliefs of accountability. I know most of you here are Democrats, but the simple truth is that you have to hold Obama accountable for not prosecuting these folks. Do not punish the small business owners or the police in cities like Oakland or New York. Your war isnt with them, its with the White House. I do not see how shutting down parts of NYC or Oakland will help. You need to march on the White House and that is something I would 100% support.
In the meantime, please leave our small business owners alone. Vacate Oakland, vacate Zucotti and make a move on Washington DC with your tents. My only problem with you guys is you are attacking the wrong people and expecting results...what you are getting is pushback and becoming a public nuisance.
Bush protected Ken Lay for 5 years. Enron destroyed CA. We are fighting propaganda. Propaganda is the weapon that controls the minds of Americans. read more - http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Every person controlled by propaganda, denies being controlled. It is up to each individual in the privacy of his own mind to consider his/her own behavior. If you are unwilling to examine self destructive behavior that is impacting your own ability to get a job, to allow the privileged to transfer your wealth to them by unfair taxation, to poison your air/water/food (remember the BP oil spill), and to bribe the entire congress for laws benefiting them at your expense, then you are a traitor.
Each one of these individuals defensively denies having a weak mind that can be manipulated. It is that defense that backfires. If people understood that their own self destructive behavior which forces them to vote for either of the 2 bribed candidate with the most money. The amount of money raised indicates which candidate has been bribed. When the bag men spread the cash to both Democratic and Republican candidates in the race, its because they don't know for sure who will win the election.
It is stupid and ignorant to vote for any candidate receiving bribes. The reason no American will call the bribes by name is the obvious fact that proves each of the 98% voting for the bribed candidate is in the deep propaganda trance they deny. They are too arrogant to consider they might be bribed. They would rather be thrown into the street with no job prospects than to deal with the trance that drives them to vote against themselves.
Curiosity that examines the irrational behavior is necessary to snap the trance. But the arrogance prevents the curiosity with denial. It is the same as a dog chasing his own tale going round and round.
There can be no end in sight until dealing directly with the propaganda trance begins on a national scale. The alternative will be electing the same crooks taking bribes. Its up to each individual to recognize self destructive behavior.
Steve you have admitted that you are a convicted felon who spent 9 years in prison for extortion. Why are you looking for your next prey here?
I dont think Bush actively protected anyone. People took advantage of the system until they couldnt...
A ridiculous fairy tale.
The only thing vacant around here is Thomas Miller's mind.
We're not really in a position to do that. Wall Street has been running rogue for at least the past decade (especially thanks to the geniuses who decided that Glass-Steagall was holding back the economy). I agree with you that said geniuses (especially the ones most egregiously on the corporate dole) need to be replaced with honest public servants running without much corporate backing, and that one of the main things we need to deal with as soon as possible is campaign finance and lobbying reform. Obama seems disinclined to hold these people accountable for their misbehavior and we probably should be on his ass about that. Incidentally, even though I'm a Democrat I've signed several different petitions asking our attorney generals not to take the structured settlement plan for the banks and to retain the right to sue at any point.
All that said, having a continued presence on Wall Street and in other city centers across the country is far more effective at keeping people aware of what's going on and makes this far more of a national movement. Now, because we have such a big-tent policy we're struggling in certain cases with criminals and with black bloc idiots who are giving the whole movement a black eye. I'd like to see us take a stronger stance in dealing with these two groups, and I had that power I'd have chased them off or handed them to the cops a while ago.
On top of that, doing things like that in Washington could very easily send the wrong message. Protesting the government is great when the government is being overly invasive or outright stupid (i.e. Vietnam). What we have here is the opposite: the government is abdicating both its power and its duty to regulate Wall Street, and what we need to do is both empower government to regulate and then crack down on our representatives if they do not make full and complete use of this power.
Protesting the government could very easily be mistaken for a call to the government to abdicate all responsibility to regulate the financial industry; "Get Wall Street out of government!" could be very easily twisted to "Get government out of Wall Street!" and there are enough confused people who believe that regulations (rather than the lack of them) are to blame for what happened that that sort of disastrous confusion is actually rather likely.
Hehe, let me tell you something which is an undeniable fact. The entire world has been running rogue for quite some time. There are no honest or trustable men out there. Is there crime on Wall Street, of course. As those in Occupy camps have found out, there is crime in the Occupy camps...thefts, rape and murder.
What can we do about the world running rogue and people committing crimes? We do the best we can. Ultimately, some crimes are going to happen. You can't stop them all.
Now having a tantrum, setting up leaderless camps with no solid objectives and victimizing small business owners wont get you anywhere. Do you realize you are victimizing innocent people? You are ruining other people's dreams and for what?
Before you go any further, then you need to explain to the family members of the people who died at the Occupy camps why they died. If you dont have the courage to do so, then you cant come to me and tell me why they are justified. I have said this same thing about Iraq and Afghanistan. If you cant explain to family members why then you have no right to an opinion.
Thats because you corporate suck up's are refusing to hold corporations accountable. If we started this in washington you dicks would be saying "why are they blaming the government?"