Forum Post: Here are a few questions that have NOT YET been answered definitively on this forum (as far as I know). Help me out here. . .
Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 2, 2013, 3:25 a.m. EST by therising
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Note: I think the essential question below needs to be resolved in general. I hope we continue this discussion and begin to convince each other one way or the other because it is a division that seems to be holding us, the 99% (including activists), back and preventing much needed unity. Once we realize that the clock is ticking and we new to get past our differences on the topic below, we'll be on the same page and we can begin to make decisions from a position of unified strength instead of making demands from a position of divided weakness.
We gotta somehow get past this sticking point:
Can we evict corporatists who have hijacked our great republic thereby restoring it AND transform our economy simultaneously? Are the two compatible?
Do we need to scrap the great political system developed by the founders in order to transform our economic system? Can't we RESTORE our republic instead while still changing economic system?
I think this is one hell of a great country and there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, radical change is necessary in our economy and we need to check corporate power by restoring power to the people through relentless massive nonviolent direct action. But does that require we scrap the great political system developed by founders?
Assume we take care of the problems discussed in the award winning films "Inside Job" and "Why We Fight". Assume we take care of transforming our mindset. Assume we check corporate power as described in the award winning film "The Corporation. Assume we enact effective laws that successfully remove the influence of money on our political system. Glass Steagall restored. Corporate personhood ended. Citizens United overturned, etc. Do we still need to scrap the system designed by founders? Can't we change / transform economic system without scrapping the original political system described by the founders?
I'm sure we can build a better economic system, but why scrap the political one, the version the founders came up with. Do we have something we're sure will work better?
Fuck capitalism. I could take it or leave it. I have no problem scrapping that because I'm sure we can do better on that front.
NOTE 1 - Some have called my suggestion that we can restore our republic "timid". If you call the recommendations at the following link timid then I stand guilty as charged! :) http://occupywallst.org/forum/breaking-news-hijacking-occurring-every-day-in-the/ --- this recommended action certainly isn't an end all be all but it would get the corporate foot off our neck long enough to give us the breathing room to plan and bring even more fundamental transformation. NOTE 2 - I think Chis Hedges was right here when he said that Occupy supporters / participants are the true patriots because they want to RESTORE the rule of law. (see this great short interview on national TV where Hedges sets interviewer straight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player )
NOTE 3 - I am certainly willing to scrap our political system too. I just haven't been convinced we have a better alternative on that. I have been convinced on the economic front, just not the political one. I am certainly willing to do more research and learn more about alternatives on the political front. Just looking for some big picture perspectives and some recommendations on books / links that really show the viable alternatives. Just started the book "Two Cheers for Anarchism" by James Scott (summary here http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9816.html ). I'm open to new ideas. Just not yet convinced. I'm a born skeptic.