Forum Post: HELP, (?!!)I see Socialism Zombies?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 7:16 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth
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Ok this is getting annoying. What you are describing that you like is SOCIALISM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism Your own source, Wikipedia, says it means it is state owned OR COMMONLY OWNED and USED. And your definition of socialism is not what socialism is. If thats what it is how would that ever rise as a popular movement? Who would advocate that? lmfao reply permalink ↥ ↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
No. What you are doing is conflating assorted systems, failing to grasp what real democracy is and then trying to add in an ideology flavor. I'm 20 phds of knowledge and bored stiff and this is all probably a waste of my time, but what you REALLY WANT is democracy. Calling it socialism proves your a matrix pwn. How would it ever rise as a popular movement? easy? its marketed to rebels without a clue who want to rebel against the corporate oligarchy, so that they accidentally fight for corporate oligarchy, and for an insane ideology which everyone else rightly rejects. Its just like being corralled in on the brooklyn bridge. Instead of just getting arrested tho you are being zombified. We don't need more socialism Zombies.
Agreed
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."