Forum Post: Have you seen the film 'INSIDE JOB'? If not, why not? If you saw it already, how much do you recall?
Posted 7 months ago on Oct. 5, 2012, 12:19 p.m. EST by Ache4Change
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I have seen the film 'INSIDE JOB' more than once before.
I found a link - http://vimeo.com/24981578 , on another thread here and having some rare time to myself, I watched it again.
I thought that I knew about this film. I thought that I remembered what was in it and why it made me so angry before. I was wrong and very shocked at just how much I had forgotten. It needs to be watched or re-watched to really take it all in. I think that what Occupy Wall Street is all about is right in that film. It was made in 2010 but nothing has changed. Things are actually worse. We should not forget how and why we are all in the sh*t we are in.
If you have not seen this film, you need to. If you have seen this film - you need to again. It is 1:48:39 long and one of the best uses of nearly 2 hours that I can think of (unless the mr or mrs. is up for some 'happy time').
I think that there is a lot of good stuff on this forum but sometimes perhaps we have to get back to basics and take a look again and remind ourselves what it is all about. I just did and will be looking to buy a truck full of pitchforks to hand out next spring after the hard winter to come.
Watch it again and see how you feel. If you don't feel anything - you're either dead or a banker or an economist. This film gets better as it goes along and it starts pretty well anyway and by the end I felt angry but less in the dark. The final section is ... well you'll see.
I shall be e-mailing the link to everyone I know. No one can watch this and be confused about where the blame lies and what needs to be done and why Occupy Wall Street is so important.
That's why we are here, right?
[10/31/12 edit: 'Inside Job, Behind The Heist': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A - Excellent background and follow up documentary. Highly recommended!]
Yeah, that doc can never get too much exposure. I've seen it at least 2 or 3 times. The first time I saw it I was completely blown away by the depth of Wall Street corruption. It is FAR more powerful than any post or comment that could be made on this forum.
While you're at it, try to get more of these people you're going to feed to spend some time on this forum (if they can...know they might not have access to computer and Internet). The great thing about social networking and awareness building is that if one person finds out about something important, and tells two people, and those people tell two people, and those people tell two people, and so on and on, eventually you reach through the power of exponents millions of people. And that is what needs to happen in the world today.
I want "Inside Job" to reach millions of Americans, and I want this OWS forum to do likewise. The biggest obstacle today to having We The People back in control is a lack of knowledge on the part of the general population. If we could achieve that, we would be a much more powerful force for positive change in this country.
'Inside Job' really needs to be watched by everyone who gives a sh*t about the country and also by those who don't! It changed my whole outlook to things when I first saw it as I could not ignore Wall St. any more. Thanks for your comment & perhaps there should be a link to 'Inside Job' permanently on this website.
6 degrees of separation in action to reach the world - I like it.
already got a backlog of material I have to review
resistance is fertile
Please see link below to 'Inside Job, Behind The Heist'.
Excellent video link and thanx for the heads up 'A4C', further to which, I append an article by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'Inside Job')
verbum sat sapienti ...
Money is manipulating our politics and the choice between only two corporation owned parties is very barely any choice. We are again left with the lesser of two evils but that difference is a very big deal to many millions of americans - if only they would get out and vote! Thank you for that very strong article.
Thanx 'A4C' & excellent comment, post and thread. Further, please consider :
caveat ...
Another election theft can not be contemplated - can it? Thank you for that piece and the final two 'truth-out' links which are very hard hitting.
"The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ !!! Excellent documentary film hence this strong recommendation !! Dovetails well with 'Inside Job' !
ad iudicium ...
Watched this soon after you posted it here. A Fantastic Documentary Film! Like, 'Inside Job', it really is compulsory viewing for OWS I'd suggest. Thank you again.
I strongly recommend "The Flaw" and also append herewith :
fiat lux ...
I read this link with great interest and it ends with - '“The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled.”, by John Kenneth Galbraith, and never was a truer word said!
Also from this article - 'The current system of money issue widens the gap between rich and poor by concentrating its lending for investment on large corporations, while charging the economically excluded exorbitant rates on borrowing for consumption. It conspires against an optimal supply of money by ensuring that the quantity of money in circulation never reflects the amount of wealth being created, thus introducing instability into the economy and driving the damaging cycle of boom and bust.' Thank you for sharing this. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
Again : "The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ & thanx for your great excerpts.
pax ...
Inside Job = An AWESOME - MUST SEE for EVERYONE.
[-] 3 points by shadz66 (10326) 2 minutes ago
'Inside Job' resolves any confusion re. OWS & its raison d'etre. Maybe we should all watch it on a regular basis.
'Inside Job' : http://vimeo.com/24981578 ,
'Inside Job, Behind The Heist' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A ,
"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion", by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'INSIDE JOB') : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32655.htm ,
"Socialism for the Rich - Capitalism for Everyone Else", by Mark Braund : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28722.htm &
"Is There an Alternative for Capitalist Economics and Politics? Richard Wolff Says - Yes" : http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/13759-is-there-an-alternative-for-capitalist-economics-and-politics-richard-wolff-says-yes .
Never Give Up ! Occupy The Occupiers !! Solidarity @ The 99% !!!
pax, amor et lux ... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
'Big Bank Immunity - when do we crack down on Wall St. ?'
http://www.nationofchange.org/big-bank-immunity-when-do-we-crack-down-wall-street-1363098432 .
It's never too late to watch - or re-watch 'Inside Job'. Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.
'The Flaw' is a really excellent documentary and well worth the time spent watching. Thanks again. Solidarity!
Solidarity 2 U A4C!
~Odin~
Makes one deathly ill to see this crap. As well as intensely angry.
Wake UP People !!!! WTFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (1830) 4 minutes ago
'Big Bank Immunity - when do we crack down on Wall St. ?'
http://www.nationofchange.org/big-bank-immunity-when-do-we-crack-down-wall-street-1363098432 .
It's never too late to watch - or re-watch 'Inside Job'. Occupy The Issues! Solidarity. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
'Inside Job' resolves any confusion re. OWS & its raison d'etre. Maybe we should all watch it on a regular basis.
'Inside Job' : http://vimeo.com/24981578 ,
'Inside Job, Behind The Heist' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A ,
"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion", by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'INSIDE JOB') : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32655.htm ,
"Socialism for the Rich - Capitalism for Everyone Else", by Mark Braund : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28722.htm &
"Is There an Alternative for Capitalist Economics and Politics? Richard Wolff Says - Yes" : http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/13759-is-there-an-alternative-for-capitalist-economics-and-politics-richard-wolff-says-yes .
Never Give Up ! Occupy The Occupiers !! Solidarity @ The 99% !!!
pax, amor et lux ...
Too backlogged for Inside Job...
Too busy chasing drone rumors and reality mysteries?
Re. 'Inside Job' it's NEVER too late to watch it! Please try the link :)
Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.
Everybody see Inside Job and Heist!
Regarding 'Inside Job', of course I'll agree with that - http://vimeo.com/24981578 We Must Never Give Up Exposing The Criminal Greed & Highlighting The Banking Oligarchy! Go Occupy Wall Street! Also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/winner-takes-all-super-priority-status-derivatives-1365860752 Solidarity.
And see this too, probably.
The 'Inside Job' link here still works, though it may take a little while to cache and I recommend it thoroughly. Also fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/koch-brothers-pursue-control-media-1366645787 from which - 'We know the Koch Brothers, Charles and David Koch, as deniers of climate change, billionaire oil moguls, and environment destroyers, but now we may know them as major newspaper controllers. Until now Koch Industries has avoided investments in media. However at a recent annual seminar in Aspen, it was discussed that Koch Industries purchase the entire Tribune Company or at least the bundle of eight newspapers, valued at $623 million. The purchase would put the Koch brothers in charge of a large chunk of America’s largest print media, including newspapers like the Chicago Tribune, The Los Angeles Times, and the second-largest Spanish-language daily newspaper, Hoy.'
Never Give Up Exposing The Oligarchy! Occupy Democracy! solidarity.
Excellent follow up documentary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A .
Just watched it. An excellent addendum to "Inside Job". Good interviews, but I especially liked the texted advise at the end of it on what we all can do to help turn things around. Thanks for providing it.
An excellent addendum to "Inside Job" - absolutely true! Mitt Romney is multi-millionaire representative of the perps of the 'Inside Job' and I can't believe that this man is so near to becoming president! Obama maybe owned by the 1% but Romney IS the 1%! Something is very, very wrong here!
Truly sad to see mittens still in the race - he should have been kicked to the curb long ago just for his outrageous lies and lies about his lies.
Romney is one of the 1% like no previous presidential candidate that I can think of. The Republican party has been totally taken over by the ruling class and working people are lied to and manipulated to vote against our own interests by the corporate media. It's beyond sad and deep into scary!
That is why it is so insane that the general public seems either to be not aware of mittens BS and corpoRATism or like they are in support of continuing what has crashed the economy - or Worse - that they do not seem to care.
So much work to be done - getting people educated - aware - and involved.
This shit we are in took 40 years or more to cook up and my kids won't have the chances I had. The corporate media is a massive part of this problem and the young people in this country are maybe our last hope but they need to get educated by first switching off the television and then talking about what they want and need. We should all start talking to the kids and young folk about issues like healthcare, education, our military machine and an economy that works for us all.
Proper good use for the internet and signing /logging on - education outreach - real news shared by the people that is not being delivered by the corpoRAT monsters that are killing us all.
All that is good but really and honestly - we have GOT to talk face to face with our young people. We can't expect them to know what they need to know! There is no need for them to repeat our mistakes!
Absolutely - this is one more reason for the breakdown of family/community/society - those who "are still" working to a large extent are working as many hours as they can at all hours of the day and night 7 days a week - to make ends meet. Not real good for supporting proper family time.
Overwork, underpay and unemployment are destroying american families but the corporations love it as it is their business model! Our future as debt-slaves is assured unless we WTFU!
That is the key - waking up the sleepers who are being worked to death - that is if they still have a job.
Living wage
Sane working hours
and that is only a small part of the mess we find ourselves facing.
Perhaps things have to get worse to get better but it sure is scary sometimes!
Things are getting worse - many who are being worked to death today here in the USA will be out of work tomorrow as their jobs are outsourced by their employers out of the USA to some other even worse sweat shop.
you mean like al gore ( sold his t.v. station to al gazeera which is wholly owned by oil rich qatar.) made over 100 mil from the sale. and that added to his green energy scam money , now has more $ than romney.
What has that to do with this - http://www.nationofchange.org/behind-nra-s-money-gun-lobby-deepens-financial-ties-12-billion-firearms-industry-1358354431 ? Watch the shorter video on this link OR the longer 'Inside Job' link from my post but please ... Occupy The Issues!
Obama is one of the 1% like no previous presidential candidate that I can think of
So you are clearly an idiot! Never send Private Messages to me again -
Nowsmichigan said 1 day ago at Nov. 7, 2012, 9:14 a.m. EST (delete) four more years of the dumb knee grow, yippee
Scumbag!
First president you've ever noticed, eh?
You should comment on the 1% Governor of your fine state, and his bastardization of the States and the nations constitutions.
I wish Gov Walker would have run for Pres
Wrong State.
Completely agree.
'A New Direction For Occupy in 2013'? - http://www.nationofchange.org/new-direction-occupy-2013-1357400222 - Many thanks for your numerous thought provoking posts. Never Give Up! Solidarity :)
FYI - http://www.nationofchange.org/five-facts-about-america-s-pathological-wealth-distribution-1354546558 - Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
Thanks A4C, I just finished watching Inside Job again for the thrid time (first time in a long time tho..), I think. Here's a quote from the ending: "It won't be easy, but some things in life are worth fighting for."
And another quote from the doc Wake Up Call: New World Order; "We've been conditioned into a state of perpetual apathy, distraction, fear, and ignorance. [But] We will find our way."
And a quote from Truthdig; "We are building a movement to challenge this system while creating alternatives and supporting each other. We want an economy where are debts are to our friends, families, and communities - and not to the 1%."
And lastly a quote from David Graeber; "...a population that is empowered and works together is more difficult to oppress and control."
Solidarity ~Odin~
David Graeber; "...a population that is empowered and works together is more difficult to oppress and control." & http://www.nationofchange.org/cancer-capitalism-1367852286 Never Give Up On The 99%! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity Odin :)
It should be very heartening to all of us to know that there are so many good groups and individuals working hard to see that we reach the critical mass of people that we need to put this corrupt system out of business
When that happens, much in the way it did in the early 20th century struggles, people will have a feeling of EMPOWERMENT
The last three paragraphs of the below Triangle news item link being the most pertinent to our conversation
http://occupywallst.org/article/triangle-fire-lessons-learned/#comments
Check out some of the high-lighted (near the bottom) exchanges & links between shadz and I on the below link when you have time
http://occupywallst.org/article/take-back-commons-mayday/#comment-965965
Thanks for being here A4C & Yes Solidarity..Maintenant Et Toujours...Nu Och For Evigt & Now and Forever!
~Odin~
Perhaps only 99% Solidarity and 'Class Consciousness' can enable the bottom-up, Mass Movement that we all need and which OWS is trying to seed. Thank you for your bump, comment and links which I'll investigate later for sure and here's an excellent article in return, courtesy of a recent link from 'shooz' - http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/06/read-this-our-common-wealth-the-hidden-economy-that-makes-everything-else-work/ . I have to go pick up the kids now but solidarity to you friend. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
'Inside Job' makes for great holiday viewing, lol! Merry Christmas brothers and sisters and Sincere Good Wishes and Solidarity for 2013 @ OWS & ALL here on this important forum! Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
Excellent Doc! Wonderful that you are spreading it around!
"Heist," I hear, is good, too. But after the unexpected success of Inside Job, it seems to be having "distribution" problems.
"Shock Doctrine" is not just a Warwick Prize for Writing winning book, the Documentary is great, too. http://www.sundanceselects.com/films/the-shock-doctrine ; http://vimeo.com/14847387 ; http://www.documentarystream.com/the-shock-doctrine-the-rise-of-disaster-capitalism/ (This is the strategy of the Class War)
I've seen 'Shock Doctrine' and its happening here now too! Thankyou for your comment and great links.
You are absolutely right! It is happening here now!! It's the strategy of the 1% Class War on the oblivious 99%! WTFU People!
'No Logo' by Naomi Klein is also very good - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmmnknt4mCg
'No Logo' is based on the book by Canadian journalist and activist Naomi Klein and reveals the reasons behind the backlash against the increasing economic and cultural reach of multinational corporations.
Sounds like Confessions of an Economic Hitman! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=808526880666247652
John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" Extended Interview 2008, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc .
Thank you for the heads up and the link is posted here as yours seems to have been closed down. I saw John Perkins interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! a few years ago and he has lots to say that is very eye opening.
Thanx AND encourage a fickle and petulant newbie near you to VOTE!!!!
Reading you loud and clear. I've roped in most of my relatives and some friends to eat at my house on election day - but only if they have voted! I'm not under any illusions that voting Dems will really change anything any time soon but I wake up from sleep in a cold sweat at the totally nightmare scenario of a 'President Romney'. I feel sick just typing it!
I hear YOU brother!!!
We do what we can.
But just doing something, is better than... (well voting for a 3rd or pouting is asinine, but you know what I mean).
No more Cons!
We have been 'conned' for long enough! We need more 'peoples politicians' like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. Our democracy is a sham and a sick joke. Like millions of other Americans I love this country but the rulers are not patriotic and they use our patriotism against us. I'm sick of it. This is why OWS is so important. We must nurture this seed and live in hope of a better tomorrow.
Nurture the fucking Vote, the campaign is over!!
OWS is/was campaign/advertisement to incite change, BY VOTING!!!
Democracy is only a sham when we don't Vote, and BIG$ does!!!
We the People need to out vote Big$!!
Voting is all that we've got & we use it or lose it! I do wish we could break the Rep/Dem stranglehold though but that is in the future, hopefully! Democracy? Where? One day before I snuff out I hope to see it!
They have us, mostly, Buffaloed!
Let's turn the tables on THEM!
Let's stampede 'THEM' off a cliff for a change! We have been pushed around for long enough. We must vote and THEN get active. Voting is just the bare minimum we can do and more activity and activism is needed if we are not to take a half step forward and then five steps backwards!
Vote the right people in to get the job done.
Otherwise we go backwards, like we did in 2010!
'Inside Job, Behind The Heist': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A - Excellent background & follow up documentary which was very recently brought to my attention, so I am this sharing here too.
Just started watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A It looks very good so far. If it finishes as well as it has started - it could well deserve a post of it's own and be forwarded out - shared - circulated. Thx.
I honestly believe that for anyone on this forum, this is really very important viewing so thank you very much for helping to circulate this 50 minute film.
Make it a post of it's own.
I have just edited and added the link to the end of my original post.
I have at this point in time only one real problem with the presentation = in the ending it talks about consequences of a failed system and says you end up with anarchy - I Must Disagree and state that what you end up with is CHAOS
Very good point and my favorite bit from the end was: 'Apathy is not the solution. Let's take a better interest in our politics, by supporting and electing those who have demonstrated ethical and responsible behaviour and have tried to do something about our deceitful financial sector and their cronies'.
BTW - I tweeted the link to the presentation - with an accompanying question = How many people can own one individual share of stock ( the same share of stock ) and be credited with 100% of it's value at the same time?
I will have to think about that very important question and its implications. Thank you.
Here's another great source:
http://republicandirtytricks.com/
Well obviously y'all may have seen it already but am writing on my own here just to remind y'all to watch it again and share. I have to get cooking now for the hungry people soon to arrive and then I think that I'll bribe them to watch 'Inside Job'! Bye for now y'all, it's been an education!
'Glass Steagall' and Senator Byron Dorgan's (D-ND) warning from 1999 :
Also re. 'GS' : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act .
God job with this post 'A4C'.
ad iudicium ...
I'm glad that I had breakfast already as I could not have watched that on an empty stomach, so cross did it make me! Thanks man as I think it was your vid.link that I first saw. Where's Byron Dorgan now?
Byron Dorgan is now "Senior Policy Advisor at Arent Fox, LLP – one of Washington DC’s premiere law firms" after retiring from The Senate in Januarr '11 - so make of that 'revolving door' what you will & also :
http://byrondorgan.com/ ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Dorgan &
http://www.youtube.com/user/SenatorDorgan .
pax ...
The two videos at this link, tie in well with the above:
http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-how-big-banks-are-rewriting-the-rules-of-our-economy/
If it's not a conspiracy then it is an 'INSIDE JOB' !!! Thanx 'SJP' for that excellent Bill Moyers link & bump !! Solidarity !
fiat lux ...
My pleasure and back at ya :) The first step is to admit we have and identify the problem. I think that's where we're at now. The much harder step is to collectively decide what to do about it because unfortunately, it won't fix itself.
Cheers
"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion", by Charles Ferguson (Director/Producer of 'INSIDE JOB') :
"Behind the divisiveness lies a deeper bipartisan consensus in which donors own democracy and there are no votes in reform"!
Especially relevant after the Biden / Ryan show where The Bastard Banksters and 'The Bailout' just were NOT mentioned !!
Re. 'ID The Problem', Buckminster Fuller said :"A problem adequately stated is a problem well on its way to being solved" !!!
e tenebris, lux ...
I'm liking this guy Charles Ferguson more everyday. In short he's saying both sides are bought and beholding to their donors. Ain't that the truth? I think in the recent past, we actually had elections that were manipulated to get their guy in office. I feel that they've graduated from that, and found it more effective and safer to legally just buy both sides.
Welcome to America's new and improved two-party system. ;(
I just finished the book "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan. He claims that Representative John Yarmuth of Kentucky described to him that money in politics is like a suicide bomber vest that every politician must wear.If any one politician tries to remove the money vest, he or she blows up. The only way to remove money from politics safely is if every politician is 'forced' to remove their money vest at the same time.
Dennis Kucinich jumps to mind as an exception to the rule & thanx for your thoughtful comment. Further, I append :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0smG7ptcM [6:05m] &
http://occupywallst.org/forum/weapons-of-mass-distraction-by-dennis-kucinich/ .
pax ...
That really is such a great video clip. Thank you.
Cool & to tie in with "Inside Job" and Dennis Kucinich, please see :
It is 75 seconds of pure, powerful truth and I highly recommend it.
fiat justitia ...
Oh man, that IS powerful! Thank you.
This guy wrote the book:: http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-gops-surrender-document/
Interesting post and thread. The problem is Far Bigger than the GOP though. In a way the Corporate Capture of The Democratic Party is actually more shocking and worrying! Never Give Up Against The Duopoly! Occupy Democracy! - http://www.nationofchange.org/five-facts-about-america-s-pathological-wealth-distribution-1354546558 .
Of course you know that is exactly what the Cons want you to think?!
The whole political spectrum is variations of 'Cons'! I have to get on wth my stuff now, but seriously - you may not be a 'Con' but Obama and more importantly, The Dem Party structure, is way to the right of OWS, The 99% and the vast majority of decent, compassionate, right thinking, people in the world at large. Which is why we must - Never Give Up & Keep Occupying The Issues!
Again, this is what the RepubliCons want you to believe.
That sooo many did not believe that BS, helped us dodge another bullet, nationally.
But Cons concentrated on the states, that's a real problem!!!
If you are talking about the overall shift to the right, people PEOPLE need to WTFU!!!!
'Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low' - http://www.nationofchange.org/corporate-profits-hit-record-high-while-worker-wages-hit-record-low-1354554553 - Have Obama or The Democrats addressed these issues? Are the instigators of and profiteers from, the 2007/8 until now, Global Financial Crisis been bought to book? How are Dems so different to Reps? Read my link please and Keep Occupying The Issues - NOT The Partisan Affiliations!
So it is ok for you to attack Dems but if the MOST guilty (repubs) are attacked then we should not "occupy the party affiliation"?
That doesn't seem fair.
Wages,? too low, stagnant for 3 decades.
1 Party has fought for increase in min wage!!!!
1 party has ALWAYS fought against it!!!!
Most recently it has been Repubs who have obstructed every dem effort at increasing the minimum wage.
Dems ain't fightin enough (against repubs) and the increase they offer is much too low.
But this difference is profound. You disagree.?
I say pressure all pols with massive protests for living wage w/ colas. WE are responsible for not supporting the pols who fight for the minimum wage. US!!! The People.
I say: replace anti living wage conservative (both parties) w/ pro living wage progressives.
That'll do it.
But don't spew the fallacy that the parties are the same. That is dishonest, and serves the enemy of increased wages, by minimizing those fighting for increased wages!
Too bad the POTUS, especially one not of the 1% owned GOP, can't wave a wand and fix everything the previous administration screwed up or neglected.
Too bad we don't do dictators like Cons are apt to do.
And too bad newbies and/or political no-nothings don't get these political realities, perceived "seeming" contradictions and complications. I'm not here to teach you, no matter how much you need it.
OWS was started to fight off the tyranny of the 1% on the 99%. Dems are our best bet to achieving that goal (we dodged a deadly bullet reelecting Obama), and everything is political and therefore partisan.
SO drink your tippy cup of STFU!!!
You behave like another bad mannered, angry voiced, sarcastic, patronising, duopoly accepting, party hack - just you're stuck in Democratic Party Delusions! How dare you use language like that without provocation? I seem to recall a totally different tone from you when discussing Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' before. Never Stop Trying to Occupy Good Manners!
Don't bother me simpleton, I have real things to do.
I think you'll find that it was you who was trying to 'bother' me and your bad manners leave much to be desired. Thanks for bumping my post though :) & please feel free to do so again when you have time in your busy schedule. Occupy New Ways To Think About Old Problems! Never Give Up Trying The New!
previous administration = the obama admin. That poor soul inherited yet another mess.
And then there is the dumbass troll problem.
I've seen it 5 times and read everything on this list: http://www.switchyourbank.org/reading_list
If everyone just watched that documentary and read a book or two about what's going on still in Wall Street, then we could create a more focused protest movement. I think it's essential to remember that Occupy Wall Street is primarily about Wall Street.
That is a simply EXCELLENT link and comment! I loved it! Thank you very much and I hope everyone will look at - http://www.switchyourbank.org/ and I sincerely wish you and yours my very best good wishes for the holidays. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
I love this film. Not many I know have seen it.
Show it to friends and family and share it where and when you can by e-mail etc. Also please do try to see - "The Flaw" - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-flaw-2011/ - and check other links here like 'The Warning' etc. Never Give Up! Go Occupy!
OccupynEverywhere!! Media, Government, education as well as online. We need to spread the truth.
Please see - 'The Story of Citizens United v. FEC (2011)' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5kHACjrdEY - This is an EXCELLENT animated video gem and everyone here should watch this 9 minute video. It perfectly encapsulates our corporation captured and controlled government. My sincere thanks to - 'factsrfun' for posting this on another thread ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/cbs-news-story-on-walmart-strike-mainstream-media-/ ).
Happy Thanksgiving & Go Occupy!
Thanks for the reminder about this film - i forgot it was out there and had wanted to see it. It is remarkable that when you are a billionaire or corporation and commit a crime - you are fined. If you are an average citizen, you go to jail. There must be a call for jail time. It's a federal crime to steal mail, but not to steal money from the entire population? The theme of the film should be to look into the justice system that allows all of these people off with a slap on the wrist.
'Inside Job' should be watched (more than once!) by everyone who approves of Occupy Wall Street and I really agree with you that our justice system and especially the Supreme Court has been as corrupted by money and the corporations as our political system has been. Thanks for your comment.
I thought cocaine went out with the 80's but it's not surprizing there's a lot of substance abuse on Wall Street.
Cocaine never went out, it's still flooding the country & drug cash is all over the banking system! What will happen when Wall St. starts ripping off big time drug gangsters? I'm glad that I don't do river dredging any more!
Well, I just finished watching it. There's obviously a culture of crime at some of these private universities like Harvard, Columbia and Brown.
Academic snobs & enablers should also be in the dock. They make out that they know so much but they are corrupt, greedy pigs with their snouts in the trough too. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I caught this film earlier today when you placed a link on another post, and watched the whole thing. It's very well put together and factual film that all should see. Kudos!! What should anger us, is that we're being ruled by thieves and that capitalism has morphed into a Kleptocracy.
“The amount of tyranny you get, is the exact amount you put up with.” - TJ
Kleptocracy, alternatively cleptocracy or kleptarchy, (from Greek: κλέπτης - kleptēs, "thief"[1] and κράτος - kratos, "power, rule",[2] hence "rule by thieves") is a form of political and government corruption where the government exists to increase the personal wealth and political power of its officials and the ruling class at the expense of the wider population, often without pretense of honest service. This type of government corruption is often achieved by the embezzlement of state funds.
'Rule by thieves' - that is exactly where we are at! 'Inside Job' shows some of the background to our 'tyranny' but I am not taking responsibility for any of it! Don't try to blame the victims, let's string up the perps!
Hello Ache,
'Inside Job' is an excellent production. Have seen it 2x, and am planning a 3rd viewing.
Also excellent is '9/11 Explosive Evidence', '9/11 Loose Change' and 'Gasland'.
9/11 Explosive Evidence on PBS & available online http://truth-out.org/news/item/11851-colorado-pbs-runs-9-11-film-sponsored-by-9-11-families-experts-reject-official-story-present-evidence-of-demolition
Thanks & I live & breathe in 'Gasland'! Also that is a very powerful article. I'm feeling very weird after reading it.
the film documents repeliccan policy - conspiracy is more accurate - to stack the deck on the Supreme Court, as well as within our nations educational institutions, in a manner that supports their economic theory.
It's a great movie. I own a copy of the DVD.
The SCOTUS is a big problem! Clinton was a bid enabler for this sh*t so Dems aren not beyond blame either.
Great Idea. This Film Names Names. That is what I remember.
You make a great point about Memory in the US. Maybe we would be better with a computer chip to augment our Brains. This Film "Inside Job" by Charles Ferguson shows copywrite 2010. Awards shown on the cover are 1) Cannes Film Festival 2) Telluride Film Festival 3) Toronto Film Festival 4) New york Film Festival.
In 1-2 Years time we have forgotten the Film.
The Crisis began in 2007, Last I saw the Federal Budget still has Budget Lines for 2 Federal Treasury Bail Out Programs: TARP & HERP (Housing Economic Recovery Program) for $24 Billion Dollars and for $29 Billion Dollars in 2011.
Film States that $20 Trillion Dollars was Lost in the Cisis
Wikipedia states $14 trillion was lost in Household Wealth
$3.6 Trillion Lost Total from Retirement & Pension Funds, 2.3 Trillion Dollars was lost forever from US Retirement Funds, and $1.3 Trillion Lost from Pension Funds (Wikipedia)
US Savings and Investments Lost $1.2 Trillion Dollars
**US Economy Spent $5 Trillion in Equity extracted from mortgages from 2001-7 - This represents part of the SPENDING that has been fueling the US Economy up to the 2008 Crisis (add that to huge Federal Budget Spending after 911 by the Bush Admin)
2009 IMF Stated $11.9 Trillion was spent by governments to buy up Toxic Assets and Inject Capital (UK Telegraph 8 Aug 2009)
Better Markets Calc GDP Loss from 2008 to 2018 will be $7.6 trillion (LA Times).
Home Equity Lost was about $4 Trillion (may have recovered some of this Wikipedia source of data)
Federal Reserve Loans Total between $7.7 Trillion and $16 trillion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5995810/IMF-puts-total-cost-of-crisis-at-7.1-trillion.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/12/business/la-fi-financial-crisis-cost-20120913
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis#Impact_on_financial_markets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis#Wealth_effects
Yeah, the brain has a way of blocking out this kind of pain! LOL!
Yes, it is a huge problem. This problem must be delt with in a systemic manner. We are doomed otherwise. That is why I suggested Public Law, Referendums be passed to put ethics goals and objectives into corporate Long range Strategic Planning.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/failure-of-us-long-range-strategic-planning-nation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-financial-schemes-stupid-us-public-knows-finan/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/lawsuits-too-expensive-for-avg-voter-to-sue-govern/
And of course my Amendment to get money out of Politics, Freedom Of information,
http://occupywallst.org/forum/28th-amendment-congressional-gift-rules-too-big-to/
Hey, heard the director, Kristin Canty, of Farmageddon on late night radio. It is a documentary about small farms getting the shaft from police and federal agents through raids and felony charges. It sounds like there is some really great stuff in the Documentary Film. But she seems to have researched more about dairy, raw milk, cow sharing, food clubs, pigs, and even goat milk and cheese.
https://www.youtube.com/movie?v=yMGElM5Umw8&feature=mv_sr (Trailer Farmageddon)
Seems clear to me that with 40% of the milk in the US controlled by one corporation and their being a kind of milk surplus ... the corportions are just making it hard for the small famers. Oh and Stacy Mitchell on TED talk said retail food stores are also mostly owned by only a few chains... and she went into a a little about big pharmacy actually dring up prices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rAgHcuYtE (Why We Can't Shop Our Way to a Better Economy: Stacy Mitchell at TEDxDirigo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i262Pw3UCcI (Kristin Canty Interview 34 minutes on Health Ranger )
Thank-you for your great comment with all that information. I shall look at those links now and try to get back to you.
Your welcome. I forgot to add the link on Federal Reserve Loans Discovered by Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-06/bloomberg-news-responds-to-bernanke-criticism.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-23/fed-s-once-secret-data-compiled-by-bloomberg-released-to-public.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/federal-reserve-blasts-bloomberg-for-making-egregious-errors-and-mistakes-in-bailout-report-2011-12
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/11/fed-gave-banks-trillions-in-bailout-bloomberg-reports/
Why Occupy Wall Street? Because we, The 99% are at the receiving end of an 'Inside Job' and your links above show how and why. Also see -
http://www.nationofchange.org/matt-taibbi-william-black-bailout-secrets-how-new-foreclosure-deal-spares-banks-justice-1358094229
http://www.nationofchange.org/two-new-fraud-deals-show-wall-street-s-washington-insiders-work-1358093834
http://www.nationofchange.org/five-step-process-cheat-middle-class-worker-1358173777
Thanks for all your links on this thread. Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.
Thanks. I don't think I had seen that website before. It has an endorsement by Noam Chomsky, so that is pretty good.
Here is the full Democracy Now Interview of 45 Minutes show, 11 January 2013, with Matt Taibbi and William K. Black. In the end they jump on Tim Geithner as the architech of the Bailouts:
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/11/matt_taibbi_william_black_on_bailout
Matt Taibbi & William Black are right in the forefront of exposing Wall Street's corrupt, greedy, predatory practices and I shall watch your link in full later this evening. Thank you for this and all your many great links and pointers on this thread. A final link on the really very related matter of Jack Lew replacing Tim Geithner - http://www.nationofchange.org/inconvenient-truth-about-jack-lew-1358006473 Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street - because what is the option? More Of The Same?! Solidarity.
Wow, 15 minutes into the Democracy Now video they are talking about Jack Lew being a force behind bank deregulation under President Clinton. President Obama is still protecting the worst capitalist and giving sanction to them. Sanctuary to the Enemy. Sounds like a Rambo movie...
How do we deprive the Enemy of Sanctuary??? Get rid of two party system. Maybe I should add that to my 28th Amendment.
To think Obama and Clinton are somehow 'Independent' of Wall Street would really be a massive delusion. However, sadly there are people on this forum who seem to think this. America has been taken over by what Jefferson, Adams and others called 'The Money Trust'. We Must Never Give Up!
Did you know that the first government reform programs and social reform programs were recorded on cuniform tablets back in Sumer (Shumer or Shinar) like 5000 years ago? See Samuel N. Kramer, 1956, The Tablets of Sumer (book) according to the book I have by Zacharia Sitchin, The 12th Planet. Sumer had the first education system, first medical system like ours, first laws, first historians, first jobs, first money, first banking, first precious metals production and metalurgy, first use of petroleum products for burning & sealing, first greedy elite trying to gouge and monopolize the poorer people, etc.
So for Obama to say oh it is just a small misunderstanding of all the things that banks do for us. People don't know the economic role that banks and corporations play. Well hey, President Obama, it has only been 5000 years or maybe 4000 at least since governments have been falling into corruptions and social reforms were needed. Perhaps that is why we have a constitution and separation of powers and ... why congress is required to declare war to prevent a president who was a constititional lawyer from making drone strikes, and creating kill list.
Very interesting history. Thank you for your excellent comment and also for fyi - http://www.nationofchange.org/economy - Never Give Up Occupying! Solidarity :)
the banks were all in deregulation together
Best way past the 2 party system would be to elect to house representatives state wide
take the top X winnings were X equals the representatives assigned to the state
And replace it with?
20 minutes into the video democracy now, Bill Black ties Jack Lew to the Recesson in Europe on his long list of dramatic Jack Lew destruction in our world. Wow.
Bill Black & Matt Taibbi Rock! Thanks for your commentary and links and I'm away to my chores and duties now but I'll be watching the whole 45 minute video later on. Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity.
"Inside Job" is a cognitive distortion and the film does not provide feasible explanation. Meaning most Americans reject it an the social scene that accepts it.
There is another short video in two parts at http://algoxy.com that actually explains the demo. There is a link at the bottom of that page, then options about the wtc on 9-11.
For more 'cognitive distortion' but some true facts, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/viral-video-shows-extent-us-wealth-inequality-1366729910 . Thank you for your link which was both interesting and confusing at the same time :) Never Give Up! Go Occupy! Solidarity.
What did you think of the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc6nX2IAwoY
I was impressed that it was all based in actual evidence and had detail on the structure that was consistent with the evidence. The pulverization and dust explanation give me the creeps they are so feasible.
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In this follow-up to Inside job http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A The crime that was perpetrated is shown to be quite simple in nature and very easy to understand.
Question:
How many people can own one individual share of stock ( the same share of stock ) and be credited with 100% of it's value at the same time?
Don't know if the links in these documentaries are still good or not, but these are also excellent in case you haven't seen them (this list is from an old archive I had so you may have to search out the correct links if some of these are no good anymore).
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Documentaries everyone should see
"The Shock Doctrine"
http://vimeo.com/14847387
"Inside Job"
http://vimeo.com/20853241
"The Corporation"
http://www.documentarytube.com/the-corporation-documentary-full-version
"American Autumn"
http://occupywallst.org/article/american-autumn-occudoc/
"The Power of Nightmares:The Rise of the Politics of Fear"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_vkIsKOU4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykd6gOk8vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"Why We Fight"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyhOKbqdEQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"Sprawling from Grace"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPS1y81b1Bw
Great Documentary List 'Ud', to which I tack : http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/economics/ .
fiat lux ...
Excellent List!
I'm half way through. I'll watch the rest tonight.
Excellent and timely post !!! In fact it's always 'timely' for 'Inside Job' !! It absolutely encapsulates OWS' whole reason for being and the final section where the colluding academic economists are exposed as the greedy charlatans that they are, is particularly powerful ! Thanx for posting and disseminating this.
fiat lux ...
Great links, and for those curious about the Mayan calender thing, here's the best explanation I've found, so far.
http://youtu.be/gHFRdYksBys
W0W !!! That's amazing, lol !! There's quickening to a reckoning as things spiral and as the Good Earth turns but I've got an 'exotic cigarette' on the go here at the moment, so am in no fit state to fully absorb the humour but thanx for the lulz 'B' & onyer mate but no 'cat-turd coffee' for me thanx ~{;-)
pax vobis. ...
Good Call. Nice one.
Inside Job was awesome.
Matt Damon narration makes it all the better.
"My boy's wicked smaht"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyF0tR6cQA4
"The Warning" : http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/ .This is really a very important documentary to accompany 'Inside Job' and it sets the scene by telling the story of Brooksly Born and her attempts to highlight the problems that led to The 2008 Financial Collapse.
fiat lux ...
Re-Hire Brooksly and give HER the authority She needed the 1st time.
If Brooksly Born will come back to the cesspit that'd be quite a surprise. Further, do note that this entire thread ie every single comment, just got voted down. This is not so much anything personal against any or all the posters but rather someone who doesn't like questions about 'Banksters and Banksterism' and is happy to shill for them. Interesting.
e tenebris, lux ...
trashy likes to downvote - even though he can't collapse comments any more. And there are other shills who still act the same way as trashy.
Looks like the comments are getting some up votes as well.
I put them back to where they were
OK - U can do that? - or U just mean a single twinkle each case.
single
Why are you worried about the votes so much. There are more important things to do, like tweet letters to the president.
Dude, I don't vote anymore since it's absolutely useless. You might want to check your friend VQkag2, he creates sock-puppets then goes around using them to manipulate votes. You know, you did that with him once.
Don't you have something better to do then to go around this forum insulting other users without any evidence. Go tweet a letter to the president or something.
ESABATM - trashy.
Eat sushi and bang a Taiwanese mom? Sorry, dude, I don't mix cultures like that.
Talk 2 The Hand trashy - U should be real familiar with that - even if it is or isn't someone Else's hand.
Sorry, I will not let you fondle me. You'll have to try that with those young teenage girls you learn your SMS style writing from.
Dream on shit head.