Forum Post: Have you been to Bunkerville?
Posted 9 years ago on May 3, 2014, 6:04 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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from Phoenix, AZ
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Is this where OWS is heading?
So, would 'Rand Small / Ayn Paul' for GOP POTUS candidate in 2016 be a good idea ?!!! I've no idea wtf your (InfoWars) video had to do with anything at all frf - never mind re. OWS !! BUT, I do like to think that you would know a radical idea that could help The 99%, when you hear one !
Ergo - on this forum-post ('cause I apparently can't make them anymore) .. here is a far, Far, FAR more important video for OWS, The 99% and anyone (incl. me) who can loves Americans but fears their 1% :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSp13JgajCo and an alternate link :
http://rt.com/shows/big-picture/156576-us-supreme-court-corporations/
I watch this programme, ('The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann') as often as I can on RT but last night's edition {2nd May,'14} was an absolute 'stonker' and Thom's 'Daily Take' section was a brain bender and mind expander - like nothing I'd experienced for a long time. I would implore anyone, anywhere who has love or affection or interest or fear or anxiety re. The USA - to watch the links above. Two further links to Thom Hartmann's 'TBP' show :
http://rt.com/shows/big-picture/ & ...
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBigPictureRT .
Mike Papantonio did a great job filling in for Thom on 2nd May - and the whole show was excellent on many matters but Thom's recorded segment re. Rand Small / Ayn Paul [@ 23m] is an absolute 'Must See'. Please do yourself a huge favour, dear reader and watch it.
e tenebris, lux ...
Your lack of understanding is not surprising.
Really ?! Thom Hartmann is one of the best US political commentators that you've got frf !! Maybe you'd like to explain a li'l just how and where TH is wrong in his analysis [@ 23-28m] or is ZenDork's ignorant replies below, the only level of '(non)debate' .. that you are capable of or willing to - engage with here ?!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSp13JgajCo - and an alternate link :
http://rt.com/shows/big-picture/156576-us-supreme-court-corporations/ & also fyi, consider ...
http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/23443-the-divide-american-injustice-in-the-age-of-the-wealth-gap by Matt Taibbi.
This was your forum-post but are you capable if defending your position of Hitlary & The Democraps uber-alles und for ever ? Do you imagine Dems as Not Corporate Controlled and - Only For The 99% ?!!!
Voting Dem is like wiping your ass factsy !!! Not really a subject for pleasant chit-chat after a dinner party but wtf is the option, right ?!! Of course voting for the Bat Shit Crazy Republicons is off the fkn scale for any reasonable 99%-centred people in The U$A ... but to just see The Corporate Bankster Controlled Democrap Party On-The-Hill .. as anything other than a tool and a voice of The Neoliberal, Neocon 1% is really a massive intellectual fail on your part and indicates a type of deep conservatism !!
Democracy has got to engage the nearly 50% of people who don't vote & amount to more than turning out every 2-4 years for a bunch of bought and paid for & thoroughly co-opted Class Traitors - I suggest !
ad iudicium ...
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You are : Idiotic & Ignorant ; Fatuous & Fractious ; Conservative & Curmudgeonly ; Boring & Broken !!!
e tenebris, lux ...
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Silly ZenDork .. und : https://occupywallst.org/forum/revealed-how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists-by-p/#comment-1031224 !!!
du bist ein dummkopf !!
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Re. ''The Neoliberal Turn In American Healthcare'' .. any rational thoughts on that or on any other matter ?
http://truth-out.org/news/item/23434-the-neoliberal-turn-in-american-health-care or also consider
http://truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/23443-the-divide-american-injustice-in-the-age-of-the-wealth-gap by Matt Taibbi.
Or would you rather continue with your SHillary for Hitlary ?! Stop digesting and regurgitating MSM-BS otherwise you will never ''know anything about banking'', nor discover how and why that Ayn Rand lover (probably in more ways than one) Alan Greenspan - was such a 'bi-partisan' hit with 'Blow Job Bill' and MadDog Bush !! Having once voted RepubliCon, you do get how very little you have moved by allegedly converting to DemoCraps now, right ?!!!
fiat lux ...
Greenspan is a libe(R)tarian.
Go ahead.
Say it.
Greenspan is a libe(R)tarian.
Not a liberal.
not a conservative.
A libe(R)tarian.
Are you personally, somehow offended by the term ''Neoliberal'' ?!!! Do you believe that it is somehow an affront to 'liberals' - especially in The USA ?!! The Zen-less one seems to think that it's only all to do with just ''conservatives'', so what say you to that ?!
IF you create neologisms that embed the (R) in 'libertarian' .... then you do get how it then appears that though of course you're referencing Bat Shit Crazy RepubliCons, that you are also appearing to absolve The DemoCraps ?! This is beyond a mere Party Political matter on this 99%, OWS forum !! You should therefore be mindful of that & not be surprised, when accusations of being parDisan are levelled at you !
I've more to say about 'bait and switching' The 99% - if and when you choose to reply but look at how we all got here ; where we're all at and then, where we're all going.
respice ; adspice ; prospice ...
C'mon, you can say it, can't you?
Greenspan is libe(R)tarian.
I'm baiting, or switching a damn thing.
Like a laser, I've been telling the truth about libe(R)tarians.
Proving my position, against an opposition that has proven nothing.
An opposition that only uses the language and terms provided for them, by those they claim to be against.
So c'mon, say it loud and clear, if only because it's the truth.
Greenspan is a libe(R)tarian.
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Re. ''I'm baiting, or switching .. '' - irrespective of any later edits and typo or otherwise .. sometimes the truth will just out !!! ''Like a laser'', eh? + lolol !! I know who and what Alan Greenspan is but I nor others are obliged to use your parDisan lingo & I ought to advise you, that I may have to be 'laser like' later re. your 'baiting and switching' in response to any reply to me now !
minima maxima sunt ...
Libe(R)tarian.
I'm sure you can say it, if you try hard enough.
Here's some more stuff you missed while you were elsewhere.
http://www.occupy.com/article/worker-militancy-gaining-momentum-british-firefighters-strike-over-pensions
Gosh, libe(R)tarians are attacking pensions in the UK too?
You could have informed us.
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Any ''libertarian agenda'' is truly a figment of your own imagination, within the confines of your 'binary construct' ... inside your own probably damaged mind !!!
I don't just ''rail against dems'' but whilst I expect sweet fuck all from Lunatic Republicunts - I regard the Dem-Pols as hypocrites, liars and Class Traitors eg. Bill Clinton - NAFTA, Repeal of Glass-Steagall etc. and Obummer - TPP, No Banker Prosecutions & Gitmo etc. Etc. ETC. !!
FORGET wtf Hitlary thought she'd do for the desperate 99% in order to try to get electable before .. look at where the Neoliberal haridan and ''Neocon's Neocon'' (Joe Scarborough) is now ffs !
While you call me any number of names, I don't doubt your sincerity nor just how misguided you are by a reactionary, conservative frame of mind ... not to mention years of ingesting and now regurgitating the Corporate MSM-BS deep-programming and propaganda.
Btw, hc is NOT flip and both of them have been around this forum for a long time and are truer to it's ethos than your Hitlary lovin' ass but nevertheless, thanx for a good attempt at ''rational thoughts'' & deep down, you are more 'cat' than 'Dog' really, innit ?
fiat justitia ...
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Yawn. Do you need a laugh or something ? Try this ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3by9FoEFB8 but get serious with :
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23508-the-american-military-junta & see ...
https://occupywallst.org/forum/the-problem-is-babylon/#comment-1031349
bonne nuit et a' plus tard ...
"Actually, we've already been over...[this.]"..I think, but in Vermont & northern NY, don't they call low lifes" like yourself, Gilders? I reckon* they do.
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Timely edit there of the worst of what you said just now !!! Yep, I took you on on that thread & replied & took time to explain there and here too :
When it comes to posting tho' - you can post what you want but even if I'm banned from making forum-posts any more, I will stand by what I have said and posted as your myriad provocations and intentional misrepresentations via the spam responses clearly only have all the hallmarks of a vulgar propagandist !
temet nosce ...
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Tho' NOT funny really ... ''This IS Hysterical'' :
hmmm, too serious for latin ?
you are a vote splitting, GOP loving, hack you want what is happening in Bunkerville to be all over the country?
if you ever worte anything on the form except insults to those fighting the GOP and the 1% and links why don't you explain why you hate the people trying to raise the minumun wage so much or tell us why that's a bad thing,
You don't know who Thom Hartmann is, right ?! Only a deceitful reactionary or a - 'zero-sum-game' perceiving, DNC puppet would regard me as ''GOP loving'' !! Despite your video, I have no idea what happened at Bunkerville or why nor do I support or advocate any such apparently armed uprisings !!!
Despite your false premise and more relevantly to raising the minimum wage, I append the following :
https://www.15now.org/ ;
http://www.timeforaraise.org/ ;
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/23535-usa-the-worlds-newest-third-world-nation ;
https://occupywallst.org/forum/raise-the-minimum-wage-democratic-party-sleeps-on-/ & ...
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23536-on-the-news-with-thom-hartmann-republicans-refuse-to-allow-debate-on-the-minimum-wage-and-more .
ad iudicium ...
There is a thing called an election where the person that gets the most votes wins, you should read up on them they are important events that have a lot of real influence on actual policy. You can call it "zero-sum" or whatever 80's economical term you want to bring back it don't change what happens after each election when they count the votes.
PS you know the term "zero-sum-game" fell out of favor (as something "it's" not) after the internet bubble burst and investors found out there are a lot of times when it is a "zero-sum-game" and they had been taken in with that bullshit in the market whoever got out last lost, the last to find out just how much of a zero-sum-game it actually was lost the most.
Funny how someone who pretends to know so much about the collapse uses the same jargon as those responsible for it so easily.
You do get that Dem-Pols-On-The-Hill are so very, Very, VERY different to all the Dem Voters that they take for granted, right ?!!! You do get that they are MIC, Corporation & Bankster co-opted, corrupted and controlled, right ?!! What does it say that folk like Dennis Kucinich & Cynthia McKinney, no longer have a place in the Dem Party and what d'you think of Bernie Sanders in VT. & Kshama Sawant in Seattle ?!
''War Makes Us Poorer'' by Paul K. Chappell : http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23487-war-makes-us-poorer ;
''Capitalism, Not Government Is the Problem'', by Chris Hedges : http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23486-chris-hedges-capitalism-not-government-is-the-problem &
''How Milton Friedman Fomented the Barmy 'Corporations Exist to Maximize Shareholder Value' Myth'', by Yves Smith : http://truth-out.org/news/item/23529-how-milton-friedman-fomented-the-barmy-corporations-exist-to-maximize-shareholder-value-myth .
Forget the semantics or terminological origins of ''zero-sum-game'', it's the idea of there only ever being D & R options for The US 99% that needs to be examined frf. The question for OWS & The 99% is how do we inform, inspire, mobilise and organise ourselves to stop being Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving !!
ad iudicium ...
You do understand that people win elections don't you? I do not say "there will only ever be D & R options" I do say one must look at the reality and if your actions help an R win office you must be prepared to accept what happens to be in part your own fault be that war or climate change.
the term you introduced fooled millions in 2000 and we got Bush before that it was used to fool millions of investors the fact that you continue to use it speaks to your roots
What I ''understand'' is that elections were stolen ; aren't contested properly when results are in doubt & that the mere 'illusion of democracy' gives rise to an actual demoCRAZY !!!!
Further, I strongly blame Al '0.01%' Gore for bottling out of contesting the 2000 'stolen election' and NOT Nader for losing it for him, which is an oft repeated specious canard !!!
AND I FUNDAMENTALLY get that Gore was NOT a 'Class Traitor' {like Bill Clinton} - because he served his Patrician Parasite Class with utter loyalty and real devotion !!
Finally, tho' the phrase ''zero-sum-game'' comes from 'Game Theory', it is much older as a concept and it does apply to the Binary / Duopoly of US deMOCKERYcy very well indeed. By stupidly saying that I ''introduced'' it or that it gives you the slightest clue about me or my ''roots'' ... you reveal yourself to be another desperate & clueless DNC lover on this forum !
''Not A Zero Sum Game : The Case For A Higher Minimum Wage'', by Jabril Faraj : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jabril-faraj/minimum-wage-economics_b_5244192.html &
''Is Elizabeth Warren the Only Person Standing Between You and Total Bank Domination ?'', by Lynn Stuart Parramore : http://www.alternet.org/economy/elizabeth-warren-only-person-standing-between-you-and-total-bank-domination .
Frankly Elizabeth Warren is one possible [the jury is still out on her] exception that proves the rule of DemoCrap Bankster Co-option, Corruption and Control. I could copy you articles and analysis of how many of her fellow Dems-On-The-Hill are desperately trying to undermine her too, if you like. No point asking you how Hitlary would be different as I've seen your sweet You-Tube love letters to HC already.
So, yes everyone should vote - no two ways about it (geddit?) but in any choice of 'ONLY A or B' .. how do 'C or D or E or F', ever get a look in ?!! Democracy can Not just be about a choice of two - especially when both are bought and paid for by the same or very similar MIC, Corporate and Bankster interests !!!
Also fyi : http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23423-the-working-class-mini-revolts-of-the-twenty-first-century
respice ; adspice ; prospice ...
I can't get past your first sentence so i don't really care what the rest of your bullshit is, discouraging people from voting is the stupidest pro 1% thing anybody can do.
Ok I read a little more, you should stop getting pissed off people live in the world and work on changing the things you don't like instead.
Your ego is so huge you think the only thing worth doing is to make you King.
a ballot is not a menu designed for your pleasure, it is a tool to determine who writes policy, somebody wins everybody else on the ballot losses, if you split the vote you lose to those that don't
oh and again you misinterpret I don't blame Nader because he was on the ballot, well maybe a little, but mostly I blame him for not working his ass off to elect Gore like all who care about the planet were
oh and once again it is funny as hell to see people who didn't even work to get votes for him before the election blame Gore for not fighting hard enough for votes after the election for his lost, not their not trying to get votes before the election, that is funny as hell and it is hypocrisy normally only seen in the GOP
Well thanx for reading at least !!! Furthermore factsy, IF my ''ego'' was really that huge then I would not deign to even reply or engage you because I would regard doing so as beneath me, right - lolol ?!! You are paddling up a river in Egypt without a paddle re. that 0.01%er Al Gore btw, imo !
Also try to consider : OWS's Fight & The 99%'s Struggle .. is Actually Waaay Bigger Than The Ballot Box and much longer and deeper than one, two, three or even four, election cycles !!
Have you evolved your thoughts or learnt anything after nearly 2 & half years here ?!!!
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23595-devaluing-work-and-workers
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/23583-unions-need-to-build-power
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It's your ego that drives you back, you hope to "win" an exchange someday...
''This is a war, our weapons are our ideas, I am a blacksmith.'' ! Nice !! So ... who said that again factsy and could it apply to more than one person, d'you think ?!!! He who refers to ego should look to his own.
multum in parvo ...
you got something against blacksmiths?
I have nothing against ''blacksmiths'' at all, lol !!! I just do not want them to operate a 'closed shop' or an exclusivist 'trade guild', you get me ?!! No two ways (cf. your You-Tube Channel too) - you've done good work on this forum and {despite myriad provocations, lol} I still bear you no ill will - grrrowl and a big lol !
I don't know who stinkled your comment but again I thoroughly recommend the video and thread here :
https://occupywallst.org/forum/park-avenue-money-power-and-the-american-dream-why/ & fyi :
http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/can-frances-fox-pivens-theory-disruptive-power-create-next-occupy/ .
pax ...
so generally you don't like unions? you like those "right to work" laws do you?
Stupid ass comments like that make me doubt your sanity really !!! AZ sun cooked your noodle ?!!
FYI - Thom Hartmann & TEDx : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDtSSFEZY38 [17:47m] & ...
https://occupywallst.org/forum/we-create-economic-systems-throughout-the-world-wh/#comment-1032356
fiat lux ...
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VQuack ?! Are you taking the piss ?!! I'll get to you in due course - pwomise - but be patient please !!!
https://occupywallst.org/forum/progressives-trying-to-pull-the-democrats-back-to-/#comment-1032455
The above in reply to ''Shadz? Are u avoiding me?'' from a popular poster of much renown on the forum :
https://occupywallst.org/forum/progressives-trying-to-pull-the-democrats-back-to-/#comment-1032460 ~
multum in parvo ...
To answer your original question. No, this is not where OWS is heading. The tea party maybe, but not OWS. The question should have been is it OK for the BLM to bring in 200 or so armed agents to round up 300 - 400 head of cattle? Does that not seem at least a little overbearing? I don't know if Bundy is right or wrong, but it is alarming to use federal firepower to collect cattle. Frankly, this time I'm on the side of the people standing up to the feds.
OMG best laugh i've had in days, you're a HOOT
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Thanks, glad I could cheer you up. Sometime the truth is funny.
I was feeling a little down today so I was wondering are you still puzzeled by if Bundy is right or wrong? I just think that's funny as hell!
He's more right than wrong.
Great!! I live in AZ and we have this canyon here I've been wanting to build a hotel on, glad to know you support folks with guns defending my right to.
Now all you need is to convince the militia to help you out.
Convince? Oh you mean pay, no worries this hotel will be like printing money, as long as you got my back we'll make billions!
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IDIOT - to B expected I guess as You R a Tex-ass
Drinken ur frack water ( yet? ) like the good ol boy you are?
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Yep, I'm a good old boy. I pay my taxes, pay my bills, vote and take care of my family. I also think fracking will ruin our water supply. I think stopping fracking is an urgent issue. We must find a way to stop it before it's too late. So I'm an idiot for thinking it was stupid to bring in about 200 armed federal officers to collect cattle? Then so be it. Someone has to stand up to abusive abuse, even dangerous, government power.
BTW inconsistent one - when exactly did you turn against fracking? Seems like you were all for it - did your tune change when you found out that your area was not exempt from it?
Never been for fracking. If you read any of my posts about fracking you note that I'm strongly opposed to it. Even more than opposed, down right pissed off.
BS - you were always all for fracking and all expanded drilling and other extraction of fossil fuels.
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You must have missed this one - so I will post it again for you.
Enjoy Tex-ASS:
The Bundy conundrum.
Quite a thing - is it not?
Fed government beating up on the little guy - again. Is It? Really?
"My" thought/perspective ( partial = so much to address ) is - Bundy you shiftless reprobate taking advantage of public lands to make yourself wealthy ( um was that a bit harsh? ) - look everyone needs to pay the same to graze on public lands ( my only problem with that - "is" - are those monies charged/collected used to sustaining a healthy wild ( public ) Land? As - "if" the monies are used to maintain and even improve the fecundity of the land - well then I have no problem with your or anyone else being charged to graze there - if the monies collected do not go to maintaining the land - well then = Fuck you government.
Thing is Bundy - YOU have not been singled out for this land use charge - SO - GET OVER YOURSELF - if anything - team up with the sierra club and other environmental groups to see to proper stuardship of the land - other than that? = Fuck Off!!!!
EDIT -> Bundy the only ( really ) injustice - "is" - if anything - that the wealthy are not held to holding up their end = subsidies to fossil fuel and such things like that and mega-profitable corp(se)oRATions that don't pay a cent in taxes - "THERE" is the real crime that you and everyone else should be screaming about.
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So you don't like Bundy. I get it. Do you think a couple hundred armed agents are the correct way to round up cattle? Make me think of Waco, where if they show enough firepower everyone will just give up. Problem is sometime people won't give up, they will fight. The BLM arrogance came very close to causing a shoot out between citizens and federal agents. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed after the media got wind of it and Bundy supporters started showing up.
Also, why does the federal government own millions or acres of land in the western US. Other than for national parks, military reservations and environmentally sensitive areas the government should not own any land.
AahHAahahahahaha - BLM or militia fuck-up? Sorry arrogance. Your all for that asshole to freeload but are so dogged dead determined that everyone else ( who actually need help ) are bums. Thanks for staying true to your stupid form - Tex-ass.
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I have heard that they find lots of people walking around with lots of guns and no order to be a somewhat bad thing. I wonder if flip or shadz has considered this?
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