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Forum Post: Hate-Filled Screeds Appear on Mia Love’s Wikipedia Page

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 30, 2012, 5:53 p.m. EST by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574)
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I find it ironic that Mormons are accused of being racist but when an african american mormon speaks at the republican convention, hate speech appears on her Wikipedia Page.

I'm not a fan of linking to ultraconservative sites but it does balance out the mormon's are racist content and comments that are appearing on this site.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/mia-love-speech-hate/2012/08/30/id/450373?

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[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

(edit) Who placed the "screeds" on Mia Love's wiki page and why? Could be all sorts of people with all sorts of missions to carry out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/obery-m-hendricks-jr-phd/mitt-romney-curse-blackness_b_1200470.html

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Mitt Romney and the Curse of Blackness Posted: 01/12/2012 7:17 am

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When it comes to others' choice of religions, I'm pretty much a live-and-let-live guy. In fact, I don't believe in religious litmus tests of any kind. Frankly, I think they are self-righteous and insulting. Yet I must admit that there is something about Mitt Romney's religion that I find deeply troubling, particularly in light of the possibility that he could become the next president of this nation. What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed. That's right. Cursed. And not only accursed, but lazy and aesthetically ugly to boot.

I'm not talking about ascribed racism such as we see in Christianity, in which racist meanings are attributed to certain verses of the Bible that actually contain no such meanings, as with the Gen. 9:25 cursing of Canaan (not Ham!) which, though used as "proof" of black wickedness and inferiority, in actuality has nothing to do with race.

And no, I'm not talking about a single ambiguous, cherry-picked verse, either. I'd much rather that were the case. The sad truth is that the Book of Morman says it explicitly and in numerous passages: black people are cursed by God and our dark skin is the evidence of our accursedness. Here are a few examples:

And the Lord had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21).

And I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations (1 Nephi 12:23).

"O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God. (Jacob 3:8).

And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men (Alma 3: 6).

It would have been infinitely more righteous if Mormons had relegated the sentiments of these verses to the scriptural sidelines of their faith, but the historical record tells us otherwise. Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, repeatedly ordered his Church to uphold all slavery laws. Although Smith had a change of heart toward the end of his life, his successor, Brigham Young, did not. Young instituted social and ecclesiastical segregation as the Church's official policies, thus excluding people of black African descent from priesthood ordination and full participation in temple ceremonies, regardless of their actual skin color. Moreover, Brigham Young, whom Mormons revere almost equally with Smith, proved to the end of his life to be a brutal white supremacist who fervently supported the continued enslavement of African Americans; he was so convinced of black accursedness that he declared that if any Mormon had sex with a person of color, "the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot."

The Book of Mormon's teaching of the accursedness and, therefore, the inferiority of blacks -- if blacks are cursed, then by definition they are inferior to the divinely acceptable whites -- was reaffirmed by numerous Mormon leaders for a century and a half. As late as 1969, even after the Civil Rights Movement had dismantled de jure segregation throughout the land, David O. McKay, then president and "living prophet" of Mormonism, still publicly justified its segregationist policies by declaring that "the seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro... goes back into the beginning with God."

Now, some will argue that I should dismiss the codified racism of the Book of Mormon as the unfortunate folklore of a bygone era because of the 1978 revelation by Spencer W. Kimball, the Church's president and "living prophet" at that time, that after a century and a half black males were finally un-accursed enough to fully participate in Mormonism's priesthood and sacred temple ceremonies. However, even if we ignore the suspiciously coincidental timing of this "revelation" (it conveniently appeared when the Church's federal tax-exempt status was imperiled by its racial policies), an attentive reading reveals that Kimball's proclamation did not in any way address the question of whether or not the Church still considered the Book of Mormon's assertions of black inferiority to be divinely authorized. In fact, the specific contents of Kimball's revelation were never made public. Nor has the Church ever disavowed the Book's white supremacist passages or the past racist practices and pronouncements of its leaders.

What makes this all the more problematic for me is that at no time has Mitt Romney ever publicly indicated that he seriously questioned the divine inspiration of the Book of Mormon's teachings about race, much less that he has repudiated them. It is true that in a 2008 Meet the Press interview with the late Tim Russert, Romney did vigorously assert his belief in equal rights for all Americans in every facet of life. As part of that narrative, he cited his parents' "tireless" advocacy for blacks' civil rights, including the dramatic exit of his father, Michigan Governor George Romney, from the 1964 Republican convention as a protest against nominee Barry Goldwater's racial politics. He also shared that he wept when he learned of Spencer Kimball's aforementioned revelation. Yet from Romney's remarks it is not clear whether he wept for joy because Mormonism was eschewing its segregationist policies or if he wept from relief that the announcement promised to quiet the public outrage that those policies were causing. And significantly, while he recited his parents' efforts to confront racial injustice, Mitt Romney pointed to no such activities of his own.

But let me be clear: this is not a "gotcha" political ploy. In all honesty, I am neither saying nor implying in the slightest that Mitt Romney is a racist. I simply do not know that to be the case. Nor do I mean to overlook the racial progress that the Mormon Church has made in the last several decades. What I do mean to say is 1) that Americans of goodwill owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the possible implications of the white supremacist legacy of candidate Romney's religious tradition, no matter how noble our intentions; and 2) that Mitt Romney himself owes it to America to address the issue. Why? Because Romney was tutored into adulthood by a holy book that declares that all Americans like me are cursed by God. And he is not only a believer; he has served as a leader in his faith. This is indeed a crucial point for consideration because, as this nation has seen time and time again, the inevitable consequence of America's policy-makers considering people of color as inferior to whites is that blacks' social and material interests have also been considered inferior -- and quite often treated that way.

I admit that this question of religion and racism is quite complicated and I don't claim to have all the answers. But I do know that recognizing the equal rights of black Americans under the law, while of paramount importance, is not the same as recognizing our intellectual capabilities and moral character as inherently equal to whites. And I am aware of one thing more: that when Tim Russert invited Romney to repudiate his Church's racist legacy on Meet the Press, Romney refused.

That is why, Mr. Romney, as an American citizen whose president you seek to become, I must insist that you honestly and forthrightly attest to me and all Americans of goodwill that you actually can be my president, too, fully and completely. You can accomplish this by publicly disavowing the portions of your holy book that so sorely denigrate the humanity of me, my loved ones and all people of black African descent.

It is incumbent that you do this, candidate Romney, for the sake of all Americans.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

When you wrote... that Americans of goodwill owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the possible implications of the white supremacist legacy of candidate Romney's religious tradition, no matter how noble our intentions; and 2) that Mitt Romney himself owes it to America to address the issue. Why? Because Romney was tutored into adulthood by a holy book that declares that all Americans like me are cursed by God. And he is not only a believer; he has served as a leader in his faith. " end quote"

I thought of Obama being in Pastor Wright's church for 20 years. The similarities are kind of amazing, no?

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

No. Wright told the truth. Wright never was a supremacist of any sort.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

Sure. lol.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

I think it is pretty apparent that almost every well known religion on the planet believes they are the one and only real, and best religion, and those who don't follow their religion are heathens in need of conversion, or eternal hell.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Are you a Mormon? I ask because i see you are answering the question bestevidence should have asked and not the question he did ask. That's a Mormon missionary technique. Deal with this please:

"Now, some will argue that I should dismiss the codified racism of the Book of Mormon as the unfortunate folklore of a bygone era because of the 1978 revelation by Spencer W. Kimball, the Church's president and "living prophet" at that time, that after a century and a half black males were finally un-accursed enough to fully participate in Mormonism's priesthood and sacred temple ceremonies. However, even if we ignore the suspiciously coincidental timing of this "revelation" (it conveniently appeared when the Church's federal tax-exempt status was imperiled by its racial policies), an attentive reading reveals that Kimball's proclamation did not in any way address the question of whether or not the Church still considered the Book of Mormon's assertions of black inferiority to be divinely authorized. In fact, the specific contents of Kimball's revelation were never made public. Nor has the Church ever disavowed the Book's white supremacist passages or the past racist practices and pronouncements of its leaders."

Thank you for paying attention and not insulting our intelligence.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

No, I'm not a mormon.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

But not every religion says that people with dark skin are cursed by a god. That "honor" goes to the Mormons. And you can't really get the straight truth from a Mormon source as they are religiously dishonest.

http://nomormonpresidentnomittromney2012.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

Pretty much every religion believes somebody is cursed. I do find it interesting that I watched two different specials on mormonism and neither one that I can recall brought up your points.

Would be interesting to find a religion that finds a group of people that are better than themselves and that whom they hope to aspire to be like some day.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Well, generally these accursed are non believers and in today's enlightened world ecumenicism has over ridden public statements impugning religions. That's why some people here are upset about my attacks on Mormonism, it's just something that's not done. But putting that aside we are not talking about hostility to non believers here. We are talking about hostility to dark skinned people. not to non believers. To think that this stuff is to return to the mainstream via the Mormon Church and to imagine a President of the United States who thinks like that is just about more than I can take in silence.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

The irony is, darker skinned people are allowed to become mormons.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Yes, ever since the IRS started to question their tax exempt status 1978 which was how many years after MLK's march on Washington? 14.

I think you have lost the argument but like a good Mormon you can keep coming up with tangential bullshit. Okay you're not a Mormon - just someone who feels compelled to argue on their behalf. They has their asses handed to them a few times here and so i guess they aren't coming back for more truth.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

I thought I was having a discussion.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

A discussion would suggest reference to facts. You have none.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

you are an idiot.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

You have a point for one who talks with an idiot...

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

If only the republicans showed one ounce of sincere anti-racism, instead of a determined tokenism.

What we're seeing in the US has been a feature of Latin America for a long time (I'm thinking primarily of Venezuela, but others also). A few Afro-Venezuelans have always been included in the elite, qualifying by strict conformity to white behavior patterns, and fooling the Venezuelans themselves into thinking that racism is a problem only for Norte Americanos.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

I think most republicans liked Herman Cain and wanted him as their nominee until two many improper allegations emerged.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

I don't know about the republicans, but I sure miss him. He was pure entertainment. Did you see him eating with Miami's Cubans? 'How do you say delicioso in Cuban?'

As is, we have 2 months to the elections and Clint Eastwood talking to a chair will probably be the highlight. I actually had a eureka moment while watching the repubs blah blah blah. I realized why we don't get women nominees. No one would be able to tell the difference between the elections and the Miss America contest. If you tune into the debates, you'd just think you missed the swimsuit competition. 'I believe in our country and its people and think that together we can shape a destiny worthy of the vision....

[-] -2 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

the republicans voted for de-segregation, the dems voted to keep the schools segregated.

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

And all the racists who were dems back then are closet KKK repubs now. Who are you fooling? Yourself? I live in Raleigh where the civil rights era is part of our daily lives.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

military training about killing towel heads

[-] 0 points by Mowat (164) 1 year ago

Jew?

Thank God I don't have a heart filled with hatred like you, mr. Jew.

[-] -2 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

the democrats founded the KKK. the dems fought against the 13th, 14th, and 15th ammendments. the fought against the emancipation proclamation, fought agaisnt the freeman bureau, fought against the 1960 civil rights act. republican everett dirksen pushed through the civil rights acts of the 1960's ( not lbj). the 1964 civil rights act,.......... only 64% of the dems voted for it, 80% of the republican voted for it. jfk voted against the 1957 civlil rights act and opposed the 1963 march on wshington by MLK. and on and on and on.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

So. you're telling me that you support the conservatives because you hate racism? And 100% of African Americans (latest poll) are making a big mistake because the Dixiecrats are going to rise from their graves? Maybe.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

military training says kill the towel heads

[-] 1 points by leezy (1) 1 year ago

I'm confused, are you saying that Mormon's ARE racist? Or that they aren't and that's merely a misconception?

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

I think my content was pretty clear and straight forward, maybe you read it too fast?

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I don't see any "mormons are racist" content here.

Can you link me to some?

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

Yes, here is one. Make sure once you click this link you then click the link on the topic as well.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mitt-romneys-mormon-problem-and-ours/

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'm proud of that post and will take you or any other Mormon apologist on in a verbal duel. You ready????

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

And this one hardly mentions Mittens or Mormons.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

you missed the one below here.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

This one links to what is probably the most amateur website of a political nature I have ever seen. There is no mention of who posted this rubbish, and who owns the site.

Verdict? Dismissed.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (574) 1 year ago

It was posted as a topic on this site, with an inflammatory headline. There have been a few others as well.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Mia Love is AMAZING. Thank you for bringing this up.

Almost every speaker at the RNC that represents a minority was either ignored, cut, or talked over by MSNBC except for Nikki Haley. Seems like the media does not want anyone to see that the Republican party is not only racially diverse, but includes a hell of a lot of women for a party that is accused of hating women so much.

Could someone explain to me just exactly HOW all these diverse Republicans get elected to office if all Republicans, or even a lot of them, are racists???

[-] 2 points by ogoj11 (263) 1 year ago

Republicans love a select few of well behaved others, most especially if these others are totally assimilated into white American norms.

I'm not flaming at you Betsy. I realize you're some kind of rightist. I'm merely offering an observation. Watch the numerous commercials on TV for consumer products, cell phones, cars, etc. I'm sure you've noticed how frequently minorities feature in these commercials. It's not because of political correctness. White Americans are soothed and reassured by the sight of minority families living according to mainstream norms. The fantasy of minority cultural suicide and assimilation helps sell products. Repubs are also flattered by the submissive minority, but deeply threatened by real difference. I'm not for Obama, just saying, if your side wants to win, you need to get sincere about fighting racism, either that or keep changing the rules so you can buy the election.

[-] 3 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

I remember as a high school youth participating in a campaign to get the faces of Black people onto TV including commercials where they never appeared. Of course there was Amos 'n' Andy etc.(and not many of those either) but no roles that could be called positive images for Black children to see. We live in the age of "Jews for David Duke" where racists will find by one way or other an "other" to prove that they aren't what they are. But they still are.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

So it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. If there are no black people in commercials, it's racist. If positive images of minorities who DO live according to mainstream norms are presented in commercials it's "closet" racism.

It must be amazing to live inside your heads.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Me? Did I say anything against Black people appearing on TV commercials? No. As a kid I participated in a campaign exactly to have them appear on TV in normative and acceptable roles. At the time that just was not happening. If there were no Black people on TV as was virtually the case it was indeed racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZVXuQAzo6I

This guy might have a future job with the RNC or talk radio, don't you think so?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

fraternities in colleges

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

The new face of hostility to the interests of the black community is in fact preferably a black one. You can obfuscate and bullshit all you want to. You know damned well what I am saying.

[-] 0 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Could you explain to me why in the most recent poll ZERO PERCENT of black likely voters declared for Romney? Even McCain got 4%. Are they all stupid, or what?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Can you explain to me why this poll totally ignored an entire group of black people as if they counted for nothing at all? Can you explain to me why you believe an NBC/WSJ post to be 100% scientifically true?

http://lettingfreedomring.com/2012/08/23/black-conservatives-make-their-voices-heard-after-poll-shows-romney-support-among-african-americans-at-zero-percent/

Trending hashtag: #wearethezeropercent - black conservatives for Romney respond to NBC/WSJ poll.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

If you scraped together a couple of thousand Black people to say that they support Mitt the Mormon it still is a statistically insignificant number. The poll actually surprised me. I figured it would be around one percent.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I thought OWS was fighting to stop small groups of people from being "statistically insignificant" to society.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

1- I don't represent OWS. 2- You're being ridiculous. Even less statistically significant would be "Jews for David Duke" but there actually were a few.

[-] -2 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

i doubt thomas sowell, herman cain, alan west, condi rice, walter williams , mia love, artur guest will be voting for obama.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

True enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-qiaBY6cd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZVXuQAzo6I

(Maybe someone can give this guy a radio show?)

Doesn't add up to a statistically signifigant number, hence the pollsters say Blacks give ZERO SUPPORT to Mitt Romney.

[-] -2 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

the people that i mentioned are well known. others blacks will vote for romney, they know the failures of obama.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

No doubt. But as of today the pollsters find the number of black in their surveys who say they'll vote for Romney so few it doesn't reach a statistically significant number.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

no wonder florida's going apeshit again

[-] 0 points by werone (-37) 1 year ago

Can you say "Phony Baloney"?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/08/28/msnbc-cuts-every-speech-made-by-a-minority-from-rnc-speech-coverage/

"When popular Tea Party candidate Ted Cruz, the GOP nominee for Senate, took the stage, MSNBC cut away from the Republican National Convention and the Hispanic Republican from Texas’ speech."

"MSNBC stayed on commercial through former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis’ speech, as well. Davis, who recently became a Republican, is black. Then, when Puerto Rican Governor Luis Fortuno’s wife Luce’ Vela Fortuño took the stage minutes later, MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews opted to talk over the First Lady’s speech. And Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval? Noticeably missing from MSNBC, too. Mia Love, a black candidate for Congress in Utah, was also ignored by MSNBC."

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