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Forum Post: "Had We But World Enough And Time"

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 18, 2012, 1 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (9780)
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From gypsyking1.wordpress.com

When one looks at the complexity of the current global situation, and the innumerable difficulties we now face, it is possible for anyone to reach a state of perplexity or even despair.

But after much deliberation it becomes clear that two omnipotent factors are essential threads to guide us in what we must do, and that both these threads require an expansion of our individual consciousness. These two threads are personal transformation (the necessity to realize what our spiritual teachers throughout the ages have been trying to tell us, that we need to discard the ego and ground our lives in moral values), and an appreciation that the changes we must make to save our existence, and even sentient life on earth must take place in limited time.

These truths in themselves are surely daunting, but by focusing on them alone, and discarding other questions they can be seen as achievable. Now is the time to finally reject the baser aspects of our nature for the common good, in the recognition that “systems” are comprised of people and are nothing in themselves: in the realization that whether we like it or not we are all interconnected, from Somalia to Wall Street, and that the fate of one will ultimately be the fate of all. And so we can no longer afford to bicker about questions that have been bickered about, to no avail, for centuries. We must put aside questions of which view is “right, and which view is “wrong, and care only for which method works, now. Once we do this we will find that change, in the arena of real world power, is a dynamic. It grows according to our ability to engage it. It wilts according to our inclination towards rigidity, our inclination to impose our will on the stream of events.

The opportunities for change exist now. We must get behind those leaders who have now emerged in this cause to the hilt. Among them clearly are Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Tammy Baldwin and Sherrod Brown. Among these are people that this movement considered for leadership at the outset. They must now become the core of our thrust toward global transformation. Why? Because they are real, they are there, and they have their hands on power. They are not mere chimeras, figments of what we would want to be, that we can attach our egos to, in order to say that we were “right.”

Perhaps more importantly, on a personal level, we must seek to embody the change that we seek, within ourselves, without self-deception or denial. We must finally make a genuine effort to embody what our great spiritual teachers have been telling us, from Jesus, to Buddha, to Socrates, to Ghandi, to Mohammed, to Lincoln, to Martin Luther King: to lift ourselves up out of the mud of competition, of narrow self-interest, and of the Darwinian struggle – towards the light. In doing these things we may yet live to realize a new era of hope.

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[-] 2 points by GregOrr (113) 1 year ago

I like this post. I believe that a key part of the answer is that we must have a way of communicating and coming to (stronger) consensus about what must be done. I have created http://policyvote.com to allow people to propose, discuss, and vote on public policy ideas. So much of our energy in political discussion is wasted and forgotten ... we need a better way to capture and amplify the signal that's out there. Please join me on the site. I can say much more about it if you're interested.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Thank you. I will be glad to see you on your site. We are now suffering, I believe, from a lack of focus and similtaneously from a lack of introspection. These must be our two goals, and I thank you for your efforts.

P.S. Say Ya to da UP, Ay?

[-] 2 points by GregOrr (113) 1 year ago

Yes, I agree. We are on a healing path, I believe, yet there is trouble in a mass of people having their worldview overturned. Through introspection, empathy, ingenuity, industriousness, hope, and faith, we can shine a light on the path to a better future.

Upper Peninsula? Ya? My wife went to Mich for law school.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Marquette?

No, disregard that question.

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I too agree that this movement is about 'healing the divisions' that have been perpetuated by the corrupt elite to take our eyes off the 'ball,' while they carried out their self-serving agenda.

Our goal, of course should be to get the "mass of people" on our side through 'perseverance.'

As I have said many times, this is not about left vs. right, but rather it is about right vs. wrong.

The anger that we should have should be channeled towards the people who have held the reins for oh so long., not at each other.

Success will be determined by a lot of small steps in the right direction, and it will not be a straight upward trajectory. Once again though, 'perseverance' is the key word.

The new ethos that we need, starts now on here, and in our everyday lives. So on that basis, Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Can individual orgs be held accountable?

The EPA is currently corrupted by corporate money.

Surely that can be proven, and prosecuted?

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I know that you are well versed on what is going on here, but being in Australia, i don't know if you realize how broken our country has become. 'Accountability' is not a word that you here much on here, and the rule of law in this country, and now the world is a bad joke. So i feel that until we make the needed systemic change in the ways that our political, and judicial systems operate, there will be little justice coming out of our court system.

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

On the contrary, I believe that the only way to achieve short-term gain is to attack the enemy on their own playing field. Meaning in their own courts.

Class actions are working in Australia. We are putting the banksters back into their roles as servants of us. Even the fed here is waking up to our power.

It's not rocket science. It's just all about getting the people on side, and making a concerted effort.

Try it. It works.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Your rev may be further along than ours. I am not saying that we shouldn't be using the courts to progress this movement. Every form of resistance should be deployed. I am just saying at this point in time, and despite being an optimist for our eventual success, that i do not believe that we will get much satisfaction from the judicial system. I do hope i am wrong though.

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I hear what you're saying.

Corruption is running deeper than ever before, and from a glance, it would appear that the populace has allowed this to happen, through the same mechanism that has convinced them that there are only two options politically.

It's not that long a road back to reality. It just takes an awakening, and understanding, and appropriate action. Maybe most Americans aren't up for it yet?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Unfortunately that's it, "most Americans aren't up for it yet," but we're here to awaken them. But for now it is Good Night from Alaska.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Take me fishing one day.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Fishing...in Alaska? Most people here dip net for salmon off the shore line of the rivers with these 5 ft. round nets with four foot handles. It' only open to Alaskan residents, and i believe you can take 10 salmon out ot each river which is easy to do when the salmon return. Anyone that does not have salmon in their freezer is probably friendless. lol Other than that, i want to go out for halibut one day...in the summer tho...as that is my favorite fish.

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yeah, those halibut get huge.

Salmon go okay too.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Yeah, halibut can get up to to over 700 lbs/325kg, but average 24-30 lbs., or 11-13.5 kg acording to Wik. Salmon are a whole lot more plentiful here, and they have excellent health benefits. Alaska does not allow farm fishing, so any and all salmon from AK are wild which is the best for you. I love smoked salmon on a NYC bagel (the best) with cream cheese, capers, red onions, and dill. Your meat pies which I used to get every morning at a bakery in Berri on my way to work at the fruit cannery are also good too! ;-)

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

I'll have to get back to you later Odin, I'm stretched pretty thin right now witha book, my new blog, and a lot of reviews I'm working on. I need to take frequent breaks here.

Hope everything's gook in AK!!!

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Yes, despite the cold weather, I am loving it here. I understand on the 'time thing' too, as i too am limited on the time I spend on here while in AK. Good Luck with your new endeavors

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think establishing characters outside of the political spectrum is more important than relying on politicians.

You dont make it to congress because you are a go getter. You make it because you are willing to play the game.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

I have always believed we need to go with whatever works, to push in whatever direction has the momentum. We need to be flexible, and focus on issues, and on whoever is promoting those issues and implementing change.

I don't give a damn about political parties, I care about issues and will support anyone who has the cajones to push those issues in the halls of power, be they Independent, Democrat, Green, Blue, or yellow!

We work both sides of the system, and the other side as well, if we can find it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6470) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Very good post, glad to see you here, a word on Senator Franklin.

I have read a number of Senator Franklin's books, I have met him and he has signed most of the ones I have. I have heard him speak at length.

I was surprised that he refused to talk about how the 15% tax rate had not been reduced, it is a the closest thing to conspiracy I have ever seen and it's not about something that touches a few, it touches almost everyone.

here's a post I have on the subject,

http://occupywallst.org/forum/wheres-the-15-tax-cut-has-anybody-seen-it/

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

OWS continues to move the country slowly left. We have changed the conversation, the national dialogue, and the teminolgy, We have started meaningful efforts (Occ Sandy, Rolling Jubillee) We have informed, educated, and made people aware and confident of their ability to foster change.

As a result, and without getting directly involved in the corrupt political system we (the people) have kicked out some of the worst anti 99% extremists and elected real progressives to office.

OWS should continue doing what it is doing, Should remain uninvolved with the corrupt political system (but perhaps start supporting those progressives who are involved) , but educate, inform, & give confidence by showing the way to creating change outside the system.

In fact this is what influences the real progressives within the system.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Well said!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thanks. I try.