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Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 18, 2013, 9:52 p.m. EST by 4now (4)
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The 19th is supposedly gun appreciation day. Or some such nonsense. How should we protest this garbage?

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[-] 7 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Protest the wars that instill "the man with a gun is a hero" symptom in modern culture. When in all actuality the wars are imperialism similar to Vietnam.

Protest the fact that nothing is being done to reverse poverty and the lack of opportunity that often drives people desperate to pursue gun crimes like robbery. Protest the the drug laws that create a breeding ground for gangs to flourish and spurs gun violence.

Protest the NRA funding politicians and add in campaign finance reform in the protest.

[+] -4 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

You can't eat the who pizza in one bite. Right now folks are focusing on Obama's gun grab scam.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

No. Right now, you are here to push the focus on guns. Be honest.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You would think littletoe would be celebrating his gun appreciation day gun show killings of yesterday - and be still too drunk to do anything today.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

or something like that.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Would have to be something like . . as the idiot seems to be a gun fanatic.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Well, why travel the interweb to this here little ol' site just for the topic of gun control? He is completely to the right on OWS issues. No support at all. He even carries on scripted conversations.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

As usual.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

To B expected I guess. Shills

[-] -1 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Sorry DK, I don’t drink alcohol. I even try to eat right and exercise. I want to be ready when SHTF.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So you are just naturally unbalanced?

[-] -2 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Nah, just one of the rational real 99% who likes guns.

[+] -4 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

At the moment that seems to be the hot topic. You are right my intent is to make some people see the truth that banning some types of guns and restricting some gun features will not make a difference in gun crime.

If you want to address gun crime, then focus on those who commit gun crime, not punish honest gun owners. It’s been said a number of times “why do people want semi-auto rifles, there is no rational purpose for those type guns” My response is it doesn’t matter why I own a certain type gun. If I do no harm the “why” doesn’t matter.

You save the world as you see fit. I just want to keep my semi-auto rifles and hi cap pistols.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Wrong answer! Hot topics are located below: As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nice one - kick em in the junk - with real issues that need attention.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

You're just too damn smart and the rent is too damn high.

[-] 1 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Your goal are admiral. But do you have a plan? A strategy? Where will you start? How will you garner support of the masses? Surely you don’t think black bloc’s breaking windows accomplishes anything.

I suggest your raging against the world is futile and naïve. My complaint with OWS is they have no focus or functional organization. IMHO, If OWS is to be successful they will need to pick a few specific issues and try to work the system. As it stands right the average person on the street has no clue what OWS is about. Get it together folks.

Personally, I think it’s too late to fix our economy or politics. We are too divided as a people. I think our society will eventually fail; and it won’t be pretty.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Then why are you here?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

My guess would be.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Prolly.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

kinda obvious - little toe and associates only want to dump. muzzle em I say.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

lol.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good break from the cuteness?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Yeah. Don't know if I could take much more. I'm not much into cute but I did find myself saying, "Awww!" and then smacking myself to snap out of it.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/arizona/#comment-916771


[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (12017) 1 minute ago

Hahaha. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

lol - sorry

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

It's ok, lol.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Hahaha.

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Like most people, it's entertainment.

I’ve only been on this forum a short time. It seemed interesting at first. But after a while I began to realize how crazy some of this stuff was. And the utter hate some people have. Seems to me some folks here think if you demonize those who disagree with you enough it will solve something.

My whole reason for continuing to post is to attempt to dispel the ignorance too people have about gun ownership. If it’s any consolation, I probably won’t hang around much longer. People seem to be more interested in some utopian dream of what they want the world to be rather than facing reality.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Actually, most of the people here do not believe in a utopia. Let's say for the sake of the argument that you are brand spankin' new to this forum. I don't think you are but, let's say so. Honey, you is right in the middle of a war.

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Aw darlin, This is not war. I've seen war up close and personal. This is an internet forum, much like thousands of others, where some discussions become heated and in the long run nothing is accomplished.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Again your comprehension is faulty - to understanding the expressed thought.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

No, baby, this is the internet. Wars start, are maintained and end with propaganda. You know this is true. You also know that we know that we have a few people with multiple IDs and you could have laid that shit on me a decade ago but you cannot do so now.

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

Come on, you don’t seriously believe this internet forum, with probably under a 100 regular posters make any difference? Most of the zany discussions here make even OWS’ers shake their head. No relevance here.

I mean Shooz is a nut case and DK is uninteresting. But you, pretty lady, seem to have a brain in that pretty little head of yours.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - GF is very intelligent. So you should probably quit while you are behind - it ain't gonna get any better.

BTW - toe? you and associates? read like a book - OH - probably your talking points manual. Talk about borrring.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Isn't that the intention? No relevance here?

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

I concede, little lady. You have bested me tonight. Night all.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A 15-year-old boy fatally shot two adults and three children at a home near Albuquerque, authorities said Sunday.

The teenager was arrested on murder and other charges in connection with the shootings Saturday night at the home in a rural area 10 miles southwest of downtown Albuquerque, Bernalillo County sheriff's spokesman Aaron Williamson said.

Each victim suffered more than one gunshot wound, he said.

Investigators also were trying to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

I was just reading about that.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Didn't shoot them with poison, either.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Nope.

Fifteen and it's over. The only difference between him and those he killed is that he breathes because the mind is a terrible thing to taste.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

I dread hearing the rest of the story. We have one near here that age who shot his grandparents (who were raising him because his parents were losers) just for the little cash they had in the house.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

I know, right? I hear you. Not too long ago there was a 12 year old that waived to adult court in the state.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

That's right.

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

We should NOT go to a rally or NOT to a gun show and Not shoot anybody. There is no gun grab, there is only rabble babble by very scared, very paranoid individuals busy proving they, more than anyone, should not have guns or sharp objects.

[-] 2 points by SteadyRock (63) from New York, NY 1 year ago

http://rt.com/usa/news/bubble-gun-girl-suspended-322/ Kindergarten terrorist': 5-year-old girl suspended over bubble-gun ‘threat’

[-] 2 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

I'm going to a gun show tomorrow to express my "gun appreciation" by purchasing primers, bullets and powder - already have the brass - so I don't need that.

[-] 2 points by BitterClinger (8) 1 year ago

Hope you were able to find that stuff. The Indy 1500 had to turn people away today it was so packed, but unfortunately there is much price gouging since demand is through the roof.

Had a nice turnout at the capital today in Indiana, 700+, with thousands more at the gun show.

[-] 1 points by 4now (4) 1 year ago

Excellent!

[-] 0 points by bigjoe (-117) 1 year ago

I was gonna go to the event at our State Capital today, but have a bad cold, feel like crap, and didn’t go. Kinda bummed out about it. Have you noticed, reloading is getting more expensive.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Clearly some things have to be done, And just as clearly, there are those who overreact as soon as anyone mentions doing something even before they say what that something might be. Those who over react fall into two groups. There are those who are genuinely .fearful. They are fearful even when things are stable, because their paranoia causes them to imagine all of the things that might be happening that they don't know about. While the fear is irrational is is absolutely real (to them). And it won't go away based on evidence. If your child believes that there is an invisible monster under the bed, looking under the bed doesn't eliminate it. Feeling that you, as a parent, care about them and won't let anything happen to them and that you will stay with them, all night if need be is the only way they (and you ) will get any sleep. We can't stay with the gun lovers (who don't really love them, they just need them) day and night. But further alienating them, disparaging their fears and ridiculing them has not been shown to work.

Empathy for their fears and finding other ways to make them feel safer is helpful. But you can't do it through a keyboard very well. It isn't worth trying. You can make is worse, but why would you want to?

Change the subject The mental health angle is probably a good one since they think they are totally sane (even though they probably couldn't pass a screening). It is the gangs, and drug addicts and rabid liberals they are worried about. And of course, the government, especially the ATF, FBI, and the regular military (composed of a mix of people some as paranoid as they are). are all to be feared and who will come to take their guns.

The other kind making all of the noise are those who exploit it for power and money: the pandering politicians, the NRA, the gun manufacturers, the gun retailers, the mass "news" media, the consultants, and the 1% who use them as a distraction from themselves.

This isn't a solution, there isn't a silver bullet, (sorry) but fanning the flames with hot rhetoric is doing us real harm by keeping us from taking steps to minimize the problem. Call or email Congress, quietly.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

We're holding a parade to be led by the militia, followed by a 21 gun salute to to honor the death of Old Glory. My advice - stay inside, it's gonna be raining buckshot.

[-] 1 points by BitterClinger (8) 1 year ago

Raising the flag tomorrow upside down since bad things are going to be happening in DC.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Excellent! I like it. And I've been thinking about hoisting my rebel flag - the North shall rise again.

[-] 1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

also use the Gadsen Flag.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Yea... I'd like some combination of.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

At first i thought that wall-street had sent spies into the midst of this forum. that is i expected to find people fighting to preserve our rights.

That isn't quite true, is it?

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Your reasons for being here have nothing to do with the preservation of rights. Be honest.

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 1 year ago

I "protested" by taking my AR-15 out to my property off firing of several hundred rounds.

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[-] 0 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 1 year ago

Why not have a drink.

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

WHAT CAN YOU DO?

1►
learn

2►
demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index

=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

3►
WRITE CONGRESS:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006

***


Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasable approach. It will

not solve all gun problems, but it will reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number

of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

If you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each.
Require a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws thus
being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
and you may be less likely to commit a crime or br careless storing your guns

2
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

Insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
You must prove your car insurance.
Annual ( fee ) back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns.
Every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock.

3
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

You are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours,
The owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

Knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

peripherally-

Gun fees [ licenses registration fines ] should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time - especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns & for bigger guns.

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

We WILL get higher compliance and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback.
Take a position of reducing guns, like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.

***


Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France…..: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-tr

end-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19

Is the nra claiming that we will fail where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths

substatially by legislation


Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially

strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

VERY IMPORTANT:
The USA 1994 gun "ban" did not ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.
That is why so many people are buying AR15s before "Obama bans guns"

Scalia - yes that Scalia - has indicated the AR15s are NOT protected by Article2

I learned yesterday that LBJ proposed a gun plan similar to the above letter's plan

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Buy a semiautomatic and 500 rounds. I will provide economic stimulus for the gun manufacturers, all the way down the chain to the gun shop. Same applies to ammo manufacturers.
Next, go to a gun range, pay the fee, and learn how to shoot. That fee will provide economic stimulus to the employee and owner of the gun range.
Third, spread the word. Guns are not the evil, nor 10+ capacity magazines. It is criminally inclined individuals who would find a way to kill and harm whether they had an access to a gun or not.

[-] 2 points by 4now (4) 1 year ago

I agree sir!

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (20477) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the gun is a tool, a tool with the express purpose of killing. And so the celebration of firearms is in fact a celebration of the fact of killing - a necessity of life of course, to live we kill, we kill to eat, we eat to live and therefore -

  • we live to kilL

Let us then celebrate this tool of living

  • with your head on a spike

as we parade down main street

[-] -3 points by Shule (1559) 1 year ago

There is this big gun show happening in my town on that day. Personally, considering the volatile mix of guns and nuts that will be there, I just assume stay away.