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Forum Post: Girl Buys Water, Spends Night in Jail

Posted 4 years ago on July 1, 2013, 5:59 a.m. EST by LeoYo (5909)
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Girl Buys Water, Spends Night in Jail


Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News15 hours agoThe SideshowSociety & Culture

Felony charges were dropped on Thursday against a 20-year-old University of Virginia student who says she panicked when undercover agents from the state's Alcohol Beverage Control division mistook her water purchase for beer.

According to Charlottesville (Va.) Daily Progress, the student, Elizabeth Daly, was walking to her car on April 11 at approximately 10:15 p.m. with a box of sparkling water, cookie dough and ice cream she had just bought from a local supermarket when the agents—six men and one woman, all in plainclothes—approached suspecting the box, a blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water, to be a 12-pack of beer. One jumped on the hood of her SUV; another pulled out a gun, Daly said, as her roommates seated inside looked on in horror.

"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform," Daly wrote in an account submitted to the court. "I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began yelling to not move the car, not to start the car. They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified."

Daly's roommate in the front passenger seat told her to "go, go, go"—and that's what she did, apparently "grazing" two of the agents in the process.

The students called 911 as they left the parking lot, police said, and were pulled over by another agent driving a vehicle with lights and sirens, Charlottesville Commonwealth Attorney Dave Chapman told the paper.

Daly apologized when she realized who they were, Chapman said, but agents arrested Daly and charged her with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police—each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines. She spent the night in Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail.

"This has been an extremely trying experience," Daly wrote. "It is something to this day I cannot understand or believe has come to this point."

Either can Chapman.

"It wouldn't be the right thing to do to prosecute this," he said. Nonetheless, Chapman "stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution."

"You don't know all the facts until you complete the investigation," he said.



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[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

the moment the agents pulled the gun , they forfeited their right to be taken for anything but dangerous

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 4 years ago

Terrorist behavior by law enforcement. 'Sign of the times'.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

police agencies need to be disbanded 100% and rebuilt from the top down. the corruption is in power.

[+] -5 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Seems to me she did a stupid thing by driving off. Typical of todays society and when they are arrested they wonder why.

She could have put the key in the ignition and turned turned the key to the accessories mode and the windows would work.

Driving off regardless of the circumstances especially when 6 people with badges doesn't make sense.

[-] 5 points by LeoYo (5909) 4 years ago

Seven un-uniformed people with unidentifiable badges in a parking lot at night actively possing an unecessary threat to her safety. All supposedly because they mistook water for beer and somehow knew without seeing any ID that she was not of age by less than a year. Lucky for the cops that the citizens they chose to terrorize weren't armed and trained in the use of firearms or else the situation could have ended much differently.

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Dare I say it. Don't want to give them ideas. The Federal Government will probably use this as a case analysis to prove that they need the ability to read the bar codes on all purchases from a distance of 100 feet... there fore they would demand a national bar code with passive RF-ID capability... for the safety of the Public.

See DHS will say we have the capability now, we just have to purchase it and contract it out for the technology to deploy to our police forces. (After all the USA solves every political issue by spending more money and increasing the size and function of Federal Military and Security Organizations. Even in a Sequester)

No, I like your description... 7 uninformed, un-uniformed, and unidentifiable government agents used Gang Street maneuvers to surround a car & it's passengers.

Maybe she can use the defense that she was aware of her surroundings and was on the "Watch" for Terrorists. When she realized she might be under terrorist attack or gang attack, she took evasive action to get away so that she could report to DHS.

The Federal & Local Authorities can't have it both ways.

They can't say we have Domestic Terrorism and local Cells of Domestic Terrorists... and that we should be "Always Vigilant" and prepared as good citizens... but then they want to charge pedestrians and motorists for reacting strongly like a "Fighting American"

Makes as much sense as saying we are the best Demoracy in the world, we hate Socialism, We stand for Free Markets when they are not Free and Not Secure, that we have the worlds greatest Individual Rights, but we take them away so we can spy on you constantly and the rest of the world as well,... that we only get into "Just" and "Good" wars, but we attack countries over 5,000 miles away that can never even hit us with a missile let alone send a navy, army, or air force to our shores. And like we have the highest Human Rights Values, but we go out and do torture, extreme rendition, turn people over to their enemies to torture in a "Dirty War", and fire weapons at villages and houses at women and kids that can't be defended by any kind of weapon they have.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Great reply, MA. I like this: "Maybe she can use the defense that she was aware of her surroundings and was on the "Watch" for Terrorists. When she realized she might be under terrorist attack or gang attack, she took evasive action to get away so that she could report to DHS."

You do a good job of pointing out how bad the hypocrisy has become.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Thanx. We got Right Wing Entertainers that do that all the Time. They ask for the Rule of Law one day... when the week before they were saying how they would take a child abuser out in the woods and citizens in the old days would take care of it and you would never see the person again.

The Right Wing always wants to play to the Nazis that live amoung us. it is like there is a Nazi subset of Republicans.

They (the Entertainers) are Hypocrites. They say I wouldn't mind nuking that country. It doesn't matter to me at all. That country is only a poor, bad democracy. But the Right Wing Entertainers don't seem to realize what they are saying. Unprovoked war is a War Crime. Brain Washed Nazis.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

That's true. The current administration is definitely complicit in war crimes. If Bush and Cheney are, these guys certainly are.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Well and really what are Nazi's but a modern name for Germanic Tribes or Germanic Warriors or Vikings or Huns or Mongol Hordes. The killer is inside each of us. But we have to be trained to join a modern world without ruthless armies all over the place.

Perhaps after being in the Military or from a Military Family... our people only need moderate reinforcement ... to cement ourselves as Right Wing War Mongers. Reinforcement anchored in Family, Community, & Traditions.

Many people in the US are Pro-War, Pro-Military. I don't see a solution for this. Unless we can learn to Value Education, Philosophy, Reason, Logic, and Humanism. Well and Explain what happened after the Age of Enlightenment... that we chose Liberalism.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Yeah, it's going to take a serious shift of attitudes before enough Americans are awake and aware enough to have the numbers needed for any serious changes to occur. That's the biggest battle, and we're up against some serious competition. There's been a LOT of pro-military 'entertainment' over the last few years. Hell, probably the last ten.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yeah, military entertainment probably helped with a plan to set George W. Bush in the White House. Figure...1998, 15 years ago to prepare the public for war.

I was starting to feel like Karen Hudes was a big story that was really going to make the difference and turn the tide back. I'm not sure where that feeling came from. Maybe I just related to the Subject matter and the feeling that Corrupting at the WB, Congress, DOJ, at that level was finally given the proper Airing.

Now I'm not sure that my feeling was right. Has the Tide Turned. I don't think so. I don't think the story has gotten wings yet. The story still hasn't really broke.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

But there are so many scandals coming to light recently that it seems to me eventually it's gotta break the dam, like the Rising keeps saying. Something big perhaps, that will get a lot of people talking. Then all these other, largely unknown stories will start circulating as well. I get the feeling people are starting to wake up slowly. People talking about things they didn't used to talk about. I guess I'm trying to remain optimistic.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Thanks. Sounds positive. I have encountered Resistance among Elderly Republicans. lol

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

just get that information from the electronic money system already in place

there fore they would demand a national bar code with passive RF-ID capability... for the safety of the Public.

if the costumer uses cash, the purchase can be tracke on the merchant end

it's listed on the receipt

why the hell do I need a club card ?

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yes, the computer database is already in place. And if the data is bank data or store data... they will be glad to provide the data to law enforcement. I forget where I saw the new story last year... anyway, I think the bar codes can be RF Tags with passive mechanism. If the law enforcement sets up a van or something near the entrance... they should be able to send a signal to your grocery bag and read it all in 4 seconds. not sure they really need this technology. I think it is an invasion of privacy big time. Oh like the Student Id Card at some Schools now. If someone could identify your teenager by their signal on the student ID... they could follow him/her and set them up for some crime, blackmail, theft, kidnapping or whatever.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

this criminal set up activity must be recorded and reported to the public

I fear privacy means someone gets to beat up on me while others don't watch

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yes, there is a danger to us all and to government officials/those with power.

[+] -6 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Plain clothes officers with badges 6 of them - give me a break. She had the opportunity to ask questions with her doors locked if she wasn't sure or she could have called 911.

There are always options - but it was her stupid roomate who convinced her to drive off. Another example of "lack of respect for "law enforcement " doing their job.

[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5909) 4 years ago

Give me a break! She was already in her vehicle before seven unidentifiable assailants came out of nowhere jumping on the hood and pulling a gun over what they claim they thought to have been beer! Since when is it anyone's job to pull a gun on a person because they're suspected of having purchased beer from a supermarket??? And 911 was called once they were able to get away, only stopping for an officer in a vehicle with lights and sirens i.e. an identifiable officer of the law.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Ok lets look at from another perspective. Lets say these were "thugs" and she pulled off - good possibly she would have been shot - at least if the doors were locked and she could communicate then the problem would have been solved instead of here driving off. Stupid thing to do.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 4 years ago

What good are locked doors with unidentifiable people jumping on the hood and pulling guns??? They have already communicated with their actions that they're "thugs" who are unnecessarily endangering another person's life. Even so, direct communication had been the first thing on her mind but when she started her vehicle in order to lower her window, the unidentifiable "thugs" only chose to escalate their threatening presence by telling her to stop while trying to break the windows. Naturally, she paniced along with the rest of her roommates and went into fight or flight mode for survival. The stupid thing to do was for seven people to all decide to approach a person only after that person was securely in her vehicle and then try to break in while claiming it's all because they thought she had bought beer.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

The stupid thing to do was for seven people to all decide to approach a person only after that person was securely in her vehicle and then try to break in while claiming it's all because they thought she had bought beer.

Yep - pretty asinine.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

Six plain-clothes cops on a stake-out to catch under-age drinkers?

Nobody seems to think this is odd?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Agree... It used to be uniformed cops. We have too many Militarized Police with itchy trigger fingers on their tasers. They seem to be trained to work in big groups rather than with citizens.

Anyway the Training has changed, right. Now they keep making huge mistakes in serving the public. maybe this is our first Generation of completely dumbed down Police Officers. Flouride or poor K-12... not sure.

Yeah, and we have too many cops when we have 7 of them in Plain Close working on underage liquor purchases all in the same location. Like the Boston Lock Down. They locked down a whole city and had how many guys there at the same time. Boston probably is a very large city with large police force to begin with. Maybe Boston Proved that having all those officers go house to house was huge waste of time... since they didn't produce results they would have gotten by staying in regular patrol cars on regular duties.

Of Course... probably they don't want any advisor or Criticism... Receiving Advice and Criticism... Running a "Does this Make Sense Test"... Any of these things by the Boston Police would have made some one look "Weak". We can't have people look weak... It is too competitive. Leaders might miss promotion Opportunities... Leaders might get singled out by Politicians as "Non Players".

As you know it is an Idiocracy.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

The Boston thing was a paramilitary Op.

I watched some video of a house full of people being marched off, hands on the head, mother and children, patted down twice.

This is going badly, which ever way it pans out.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Clearly a Test Case for DHS. There should be plenty of Public Criticism and Feed-Back. But I'm not aware of this kind of activism.

I actually suspect if we want cheering citizens after the capture of a bomber.... we can get those people through families of media members. families of politicians, families of government workers....

And it did... it looked like the Movie "Wag the Dog" with Dustin Hoffman. And there have been other stories of Hollywood Writers being called to write scripts or story lines for military or White House Narratives.

LOL... Of Course, It could just be the Fluoride or the K-12 Education, Video Games, and Cable TV.

It was a great touch having the people along the roads cheering the capture of the Bomber. Great Strategy.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

The fear is deep.

Best to cheer, lest you become a target yourself.

All this reported spying on everyone, and amassing this monstrous data-base, and having the largest intelligence service (often replicated several times over) and shit still hits the fan on a regular basis.

The thinkers are aware of what's happening, and I'm not sure where it's all going to end up, but I saw enough wilful cover-up happening in New Orleans to convince me that the DHS doesn't care a hoot about the people.

They are security for the 0.01%. Hell, even the police should know that by now.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Adding to my post about "Order". This is a two sided coin. People can be expected to act in an orderly and predictable way in accord with social norms... although artists, people with Tattoos, piercings, musicians, writers, philosophers resist conformity. But ...the other side of the coin is an orderly, predictable, transparent, and simple government & Laws.

One Great example: http://rt.com/usa/vandalism-san-olson-diego-506/ Guy was facing 17 years in Jail on Vandalism for writing in Chalk on a Side walk End of Story. Acquitted. Why is Law so Flexible that Frivolous Lawsuits from Corporations that seek to monopolize or engage in Anti-Trust Behavior can tie up the Courts? And why can BOA get a Chalk Drawer Arrested and Scared out of His Life facing 17 years in Jail?

I have written about this before. We can use Case Law, Precedent Cases, Guidelines for areas of Law besides just sentencing ... like Financial Rules that Define a certain number of Financial Instruments and Restrict or Omit new Financial Schemes... Or we can outlaw Shell Companies as a Guideline... The Sky is the limit as far as Business Guidelines and Fair Practices that can be Define in an effort to narrow business opportunities or banking practices. And it would be very orderly to Streamline Federal income Tax Rules to something like 6 Tax Credits for households and maybe a few more for Corporations. And we could limit the total expenses and kinds of expense written off by corporations especially as the use off shore Shell Companies or Headquarters to avoid US taxes. Unlimited Executive Compensation taken off the top of Corporate Profits to calculate taxes is "Too Generous". Writing of Lawsuit Expenses and Lobbying Expenses for Corporations is too Generous.

Anyway... hypocrisy? Government wants order and deploys DHS to start Police State... but doesn't want to become "Orderly" itself????!!!!

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Speaking of that monstrous database, I imagine it's helping out this project in ways we could only imagine:


I wonder how much better that program is after five years of development. And it's an odd coincidence that the article was published the same year the organization 'SafeLink' started providing cell phones to low-income individuals:


You can tell a lot about a person from their cellphone. And if you give them to people for free, everyone will have one.

I can just picture the big boys playing 'Wargames' on the local turf.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

Yes, the GPS works both ways.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Does it remind you of the "Order" that Germany expects from it's people. Australia and the US have lots of German Blood BTW. It seems very British and Very German to expect our people to be very orderly.... and to act in a fashion expected.

These days Germany has Nazis running around like football hooligans riding trains and making big commotions in rail stations. I actually got spotted by a Nazi while there a few years back. You see I look either English or Look like an American. Nazis target foreigners in Germany for Fisticuffs, bottle throwing, verbal abuse. When I was there the crowd had moved out of the train Station and I was standing next to an observer of some kind (witness). Anyway the Nazi moved off.

So... in Germany they tolerate loud noises and Footballers shouting on public transport. The US would not tolerate that very well I don't think. But well... we surely get that at least as bad in Chicago, New York, Philadelphia... and other places. But our policy is not to tolerate this behavior.

Maybe that is part of DHS Mission to Bring Order and to Tighten up Values for Order and Orderliness.

So perhaps the US has much in common with the Third Reich if you will allow me to say so. Today's Germany is looser. UK seems to have lots of problems from people at Drink and Binge in the Bars. Very un-orderly. Of course the Protests around the world lead to clashes with police that are un-orderly.

New Orleans probably stands as a case of Un-Orderly Public Conduct in the USA. DHS probably has this as a Case Analysis... to develop strategies, goals, objectives in disasters.

DHS is an organization with a life of it's own and a set of Mission, Objectives, Goals, and Budget. Normally in the USA we can never get rid of an Agency after it has been formed. Government Grows. Government Never Shrinks the number of organizations. Except under Bill Clinton many BRAC Phases went through to Reduce In Force (RIF) both uniform Soldiers & Civilians Employees in the Military Agencies. And the OTS was absorbed after the Financial Crisis (merged into OCC). This was a Regulator that took the Hit for not Regulating.

So maybe we need to impact the DHS Objectives, Strategies, Goals, Policies, Budget, Authority, Constitutional Controls, Transparency, Media Coverage, Public knowledge & Education, and compare the Institution to Liberal Government & Social Liberalism. DHS should be limited in many ways. But the US Citizens never had this discussion. In this way the US Public is much more Docile than Germany People ever where under the Third Reich.

This is a Revelation. The US People are so passive they will allow the DHS, NSA, CIA, and the whole Federal Government and all Wall Street banks do whatever they want. Since we fear Fascism already... I would say it is a certainty that we will commit crimes comparable to the Third Reich in the Future. Very Certain. Vietnam War, Panama War, Iraqi War, Afghanistan War... there were all wastes of time and money... they destroyed Economies, Families, Homes, Businesses, Cities.... Millions of refugees.

And now what will stop the US Banking Government System from the Next War or next Remote Killing Weapon? We love flying weapons more than chemical, biological, and nuclear... because the play better in the Media. But as in Syria... if we have announced Chemical Weapons use... what knew weapon will we employ to gain the most, the most resources, the most pliable government, the best business contracts....

In fact is plays better in the media if we react to a dangerous and evil Terrorist and Stateless Group... perhaps after allowing a country to be Defoliated and depopulated.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

There's dozens of question in your post.

I don't believe ALL U.S. people are passive. I believe there is a seething undercurrent of distrust and explosive anger, bubbling away beneath the calmer exterior.

As for the third reich, I don't think it was ever completely extinguished.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yeah. After WWII the US Recruited some very Shrewd, intelligent, former military people, established many US Government Relationships with them.... and perhaps brought German efficiency & Goals to parts of the US Government.

I saw a group a husky Bikers last week or so. Probably they are law abiding citizens. But I have to say they looked tough. I imagine there are so what conservative... but hard to say. Anyway, maybe these guys, our farmers, our former military are a simmering potential movement.

I suppose the ones that are organized are the ones that have been talking about their own currency and secession. I just can't believe people in my country won't say anything about government Spying on our Citizens. And I don't hear Freedom of Speech except on the Internet. And it is so obvious that the Government obfuscates what it does to benefit itself and big business and banking. And it is so obvious that Federal powers are out of control as far as police powers... and even local police powers are out of control.

I can't imagine the Millions of people that got Tattoos in the last 15 years are not pissed off at the Federal Government. But what do I know about people with Tattoos.... They just seem to want individuality not conformity.

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim5 (-3) 4 years ago

A long but interesting read on our increasingly militarized police...

If even the earliest attempts at centralized police forces would have alarmed the founders, today’s policing would have terrified them. Today in America SWAT teams violently smash into private homes more than 100 times per day. The vast majority of these raids are to enforce laws against consensual crimes. In many cities, police departments have given up the traditional blue uniforms for “battle dress uniforms” modeled after soldier attire.


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

I caught wind of a story, where the admin was trying to prevent individual states from forming their own defense teams. Thanks for the link.

[-] 2 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

it's not odd it is the fascist stazi police state. have fun this weekend with all the check points? that was the 1st step in the conditioning. now they have it to where we let them watch us with cameras. it is insane.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

All the check points? I'm in Australia.

We don't have to get felt up to catch a plane.

We do have to take our boots off, though.

[-] 3 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

oh sorry man i forgot. the 4th of july is coming up this week so this past weekend the cops were doing their dwi check point thing.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

The TSA looks like a nazi org, from the outside looking in.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

College kids - think maybe they figure "money" ? Lets run a sting operation ( who cares if it's not real ) write a bunch of tickets and impound a lot of vehicles. Who says we can't make money in a recession?


[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

The terrorists have won, Builder.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 4 years ago

The war has not begun, Gno.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 4 years ago

Good point. They won the last one. This one's a whole 'nother animal. We're all guerrillas.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

you don't ask questions when you are being accosted. you act.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Yah, and a person with a firearm could also shoot you too. Besides seems there must be a problem with that place selling alcohol to minors - think maybe that's why undercover was there?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Would be helpful if the idiots running the sting observed with under cover but covered stops with uniformed.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

That may have helped I am sure but it didn't happen that way. I wouldn't drive away from several people showing me a badge. And with regard to the person with the firearm that person probably over reacted.

But she had options and made a bad decision based upon listening to her friend telling her to drive off.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

No? You never heard of people impersonating police? Then abducting robbing raping killing? Really?

BTW - how much time should someone take trying to figure out whether to flee trouble or not? 4 or 5 seconds? ummm that is a long time when you are in the moment - adrenalin charged moment.

One one thousand two one thousand three one thousand four one thousand five one thousand. Say it - don't rush - check your self against a watches sweeping second hand.

[-] -2 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

It all depends on the neighborhood where she lives. I would think the area where she was stopped was a "lighted area". She could have dialed 911 if she felt threatened. But driving off - hell people get shot doing that all the time.

She was being told to drive off by the passenger in her car who "no fight in the game" so she is the one arrested - not the passenger.

We weren't there when this went down and we are only speculating. But I will say this - whenever a person flees from the police they will go to jail.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

She could have dialed 911

Sure - she could sit there - how long is that gonna take? In the meantime those unknown individuals with guns are doing what? Waiting quietly while you make your phone call - breaking your windows to gain access - deciding to shoot you?

BTW - she did phone 911 - after getting the hell out of there.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Let me ask you - what would you do? Would you drive off or would you try to find out just who these folks are? Neither you nor I know why the firearm was pulled because we weren't there.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Let me ask you - what would you do?

I would get the hell out of dodge!!!

Would you drive off

Hell yeah.

or would you try to find out just who these folks are? Neither you nor I know why the firearm was pulled because we weren't there.

U go ahead and hang around to figure out what is going on with a bunch of armed individuals that are coming after you. BTW - U auditioning for the Darwin Awards?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

why wasn't the incident recorded by the officers ?

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

that is why you draw your own weapon and discharge immediately without asking questions. also 20 is not a minor.

[-] -2 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

Hey no one on this site knows exactly what went down - just like the TM/Zimmerman case - but I will say if I am confronted by people showing badges you can be sure I am not going to run and get my ass thrown in jail and then complain about it later.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 4 years ago

my guess is that when the ss showed up at your door in 1933 you would have gone willingly then too.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

6 agents couldn't carry one camera among them ?

sort of a terrorist method of governing

respect the badge or be punished

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 4 years ago

So what would you do? Would you drive off or would you try to find out why they came to your vehicle?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

ignore your question

obviously, the officers needed to record the incident

why didn't they ?