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Forum Post: From Arab Spring to Arab Winter

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 25, 2012, 5:18 p.m. EST by DouglasAdams (90)
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Something really seemed wrong when a Muslim Brotherhood backed candidate, Morsi, was democratically elected in Egypt during their historic free election. The West knew who Muburak was after having led Egypt for 30 years. The real Morsi has just stood up.

Newsmax reports that Egypt's president on Thursday issued constitutional amendments that placed him above judicial oversight and ordered the retrial of Hosni Mubarak for the killing of protesters in last year's uprising.

Liberal and Christian members withdrew from the assembly during the past week to protest what they say is the hijacking of the process by Morsi's allies, who they saw are trying to push through a document that will have an Islamist slant marginalizing women and minority Christians and infringing on personal liberties. Several courts have been looking into cases demanding the dissolution of the panel.

The Egyptian leader also decreed that all decisions he has made since taking office in June and until a new constitution is adopted and a new parliament is elected — which is not expected before next spring — are not subject to appeal in court or by any other authority. He also barred any court from dissolving the Islamist-led upper house of parliament, a largely toothless body that has also faced court cases.

The moves effectively remove any oversight on Morsi, the longtime Muslim Brotherhood figure who became Egypt's first freely elected president last summer after the Feb. 11, 2011 fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak. They come as Morsi is riding high on lavish praise from President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton for mediating an end to eight days of fighting between Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Morsi-Egypt-dictatorial-powers/2012/11/22/id/465109?s=al&promo_code=10DBC-1#ixzz2DGvc9200

It will be interesting to see how this ends. From Democracy to Dictatorship in one giant leap, before the Egyptian Constitution has been written and ratified. What would Morsi need these enormous powers for? These powers are unconstitutional because there is no constitution. And with a dictatorship, there is no need for a constitution. There possibly won’t be an Egyptian constitution as hoped without a major confrontation forcing Morsi to resign. Well, Middle Eastern dictators don’t resign. See Assad wants to be Syria’s dictator like his father was for 29 years. Let’s question whether it is or isn’t the role of the Western Alliance to topple Middle Eastern dictators.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-arab-spring-has-been-hijacked/

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The struggle has not ended - it has just been transferred to an individual who has chosen to try to grab full power for himself during the upheaval of ousting the last such fool. Equality and health and prosperity for ALL - is a hard won thing - hard won - hard maintained. I feel for the people there - I understand that they have a long road to freedom and justice for ALL - ahead of them - considering the fact that they need to find someone to represent them that is honest and not in it for their own gain.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

That's the beauty of a leaderless revolution. I, too, hope that the radical islamists do not prevail.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

I prefer autumn

[-] 0 points by DouglasAdams (90) 1 year ago

I like autumn and summer. Perhaps the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to take Egypt backward instead of forward.

[-] 0 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

anyone who knew anything about the totalitarianism of the muslim brotherhood is not surprised.

[-] 3 points by DouglasAdams (90) 1 year ago

Does this mean Obama, Clinton, the CIA and the western alliance intelligence sphere have been expecting this or were clueless?

Their best man in Egypt for 30 years was a totalitarian dictator with some western indulgences. Now there will be Muslim orthdox adherents to Sharia dictating in Egypt until the next revolt.

[-] 3 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Good question. I cannot figure out what our real end game is since I really have no idea who really controls the world. We are arming the same folks that shot and maimed our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so they can usher Sharia into Syria. Must make sense to someone.

[-] 3 points by DouglasAdams (90) 1 year ago

US has backed corrupt M.E. dictators before. Throwing Mubarak and Qaddafi under the bus was a bad idea. This might be considered religious war against infidel politics and the secular sphere subtitled Islam rises again. The American Empire might have a stake in the outcome though backing dictators, Muslim rebels and gangsters was how the United States created al Qaeda in the first place.

[-] 2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

the people you mentioned are not clueless but expected a majority of the peole in the USA to be so.

[-] 2 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Really...the 2nd Caliphate is slowly coming together. Great news for the women of the middle east

[-] 2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

more stonings, more beheadings, more oppression for them.

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

GAZA: part 1of2
In our recent elections, it would be very hard to come up with a more
significant reason for the republican losses than the fact that
the republicans told the truth about themselves.
Why can’t we also learn the truth from what the “Palestinian people”
say about the “Palestinian people” ?
: On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with
Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.


”The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a “Palestinian state” is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a “Palestinian people”, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a “Palestinian”, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.”


A provocative story? It’s more than that. It is the truth.
Truth does not change. Truth is truth.
If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.
And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.
You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making virtually the same statement: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.” The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism and bigotry and hate mongering.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception – but is source from a PLO leader!

What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth –
that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.


Pretty clear, isn’t it? It is even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993.
It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.


On the same day Arafat ( who was born in CAIRO EGYPT ) signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, Arafat stated:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of “Palestine”, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”


No matter how many people delude themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as “Palestine” was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland.
It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was telling the truth. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state to launch attacks at the only Jewish state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
……………………………………………. by Joseph Farah


Are you afraid to believe Farah & Muhsein & Arafat ?

WATCH WITH YOUR OWN EYES
Are there any historical errors in these clips ? IN THESE CLIPS
The last one, a long debate between two people on each side is very educational.


PALESTINIAN PEOPLE 3.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_818090&feature=iv&src_vid=HRA0NKQ0k6E&v=9jOW9EzMiWc


PALESTINE & THE QURAN 8.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg


JEWS & MUSLIMS & NAZIS [ ANTI-SEMITISM = ANTI-ISRAEL ] 5.59 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&NR=1&feature=endscreen


THE CARTOONS 4.20 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrq76I1M3CM&NR=1&feature=endscreen


CELEBRATING 9/11 6.02 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4&feature=endscreen&NR=1


THE HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE EAST IN 11 MINUTES 11.37▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY&feature=endscreen&NR=1


WHAT IS THE WEST BANK 6.17 ▬► http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6tDmLNPjU&feature=endscreen&NR=1


THE PASLESTINIAN CONFLICT 4.20 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TI5Mwyhzhg


THE BITTER TRUTH 8.34 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MjUcIQjb1U


BEAT WOMEN 2.15 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwATEWqslw&NR=1&feature=endscreen


ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE [ INTELLIGENCE SQUARED DEBATE ] at NYU: debate with two advocates on each side 1.46.36 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh34Xsq7D_A

ISLAM: WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW 1.38.40 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI&feature=endscreen&NR=1


[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

GAZA: part 2of2
A few more clips that I believe show the truth.
And again – clips about the poor conditions in Gaza or military actions by Israel do not disprove Arafat’s statements or thousands of attacks on Israeli civilians by bus bombs or rockets. There MUST be at least one or two errors in the hundreds of historical facts posted here. Can you find them? Harry Truman immediately approved the state of Israel – did he hate Arabs because so many Arabs fought against the Allies - for Hitler? I do not know. Jimmy Carter & Bill Clinton pushed the PLO and the PA to sign a deal – did they hate Arabs?
I do not hate Arabs or Palestinians – but we cannot hope to solve the middle east problem unless we understand what these people believe. I believe that paying a parent to send their child to their deaths to kill people [ as in Mumbai ] is nothing less than inhuman.
Not the bomber, not the parents, but the paymaster & the Imam. Maybe you disagree?


Have you read the Quran? I have read 20%-25% in at least three translations.
Do you believe in fatwas? Does Ayaan Hirsi Ali hate Islam? Does Salmon Rushdie?
Have you ever heard radical Imams & Muslims spewing hate and violence –
IN ENGLISH?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRKaX0ORuI

Do you know what taqiyya is?
And, sadly, numbers are numbers
Since 1948, Israel has killed 35,000 Arabs/Muslims
Since 1948, Arabs/Muslims have killed 11,000,000 Arabs/Muslims

I do not hate Arabs or Palestinians – but we cannot hope to solve the middle east problem unless we understand what these people believe. And sadly, it will be as easy as ending the generations of anti-minority - homophobic - anti-woman beliefs so skillfully taught by parents and religions in the confederate states for generations.

IMAM CHOUDARY TELLS THE TRUTH – MUSLIM TERRORISM 4.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqPK5oYZBk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

FROM 60 MINUTES – GAZA MOVIE FRAUD 18.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfKAz8l37U&NR=1&feature=endscreen

CNN: GOD’S WARRIORS – THE MURDER OF THEO VAN GOUGH 5.10 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O28opIDKwYk

ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE? A BRAVE MUSLIM & BILL MAHR 7.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ZEo7voCEM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

SUBMISSION: VAN GOUGH MOVIE WAS _MURDERED FOR 10.31 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdvsFSYRgd4

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE “WEST BANK” IS? 6.17 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

THE SON OF HAMAS LEADER TELLS THE TRUTH 5.00 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbCGC6amdk&NR=1&feature=endscreen

ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE 7.24 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eupkfyd1ulc&NR=1&feature=endscreen

ISRAEL GEOGRAPHY & HISTORY 6.29 ▬►
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDPRtprKJQ&NR=1&feature=endscreen

The truth is the truth – not bigotry or hatred.
Some people do evil. For money. For power. For religion. American soldiers gave amallpox infected blankets to native Americans.
Bush’s cronies approved torture. Southern traitors started a war against America & their descendents celebrate it!
BP killed oil rig workers.
Spanish catholics burned Spanish Jews.
The truth is the truth – not bigotry or hatred. Some people do evil.



DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO LEARN THE TRUTH?
Pre 1948 - How did the nation of Israel get it's land?

"At the end of World War I, some of “Palestine's” land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80% of the resident Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchases from large landowners, not poor Arabs." -- quoted from The Peel Commission (1937)

"The Arab charge that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased. There was at the time at least of earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land. Jews paid more than $20 million (at 1936 rates) to Arab landowners, mostly large estate holders. In 1944, Jews paid between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre
(U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)" --Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948

According to British government statistics,
prior to the establishment of the State of Israel,

8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews;
3.3% by Arabs who remained there;
16.5% by Arabs who left the country.
More than 70% of the land was owned by the British Government.
Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948.
The public lands included most of the Negev Desert --half of Palestine's post-1922 total area
--1948 Survey by British Mandate Government

Further UN estimates put the value of property loses of Jews kicked out of Arab countries after 1948 at 10 times the value of those lost by Arabs.
Most Jews in Israel are from Arab countries, not Europe.
So the issue of the injustice done TO the Jews of Arab countries BY Arabs is relevant, as are reparations.
Not all Jews are white New Yorkers. 60% of Jews are not what you might call caucasian. All the way up until 1970 Israel had a policy of repayment or replacement for anyone who could prove his claim. Around 10% of the refugees used this policy, while others refused .

From 1920 to 1948 Jewish organizations accepted partition plans that gave the Jewish state as little as 20% of the current state of Israel. The Arabs refused the deal or any compromise.
From the 1850's to 1948, 90% of the land Jews lived on was purchased at very high prices from Arabs. The rest was uninhabited land and passed from the British government to the Israeli government, under international law. In 1948, any Arab that stayed in Israel became Israeli citizens with full rights to vote and form political parties. Most fled, anticipating that the Arab armies would quickly defeat Israel, and they could return home, without being thought of as traitors. Now whose fault is it for deserting? In 1948 at the creation of the State of Israel, Jews who lived in all of the Arab countries were forced out or harassed. The land lost by Jews who fled was estimated by the UN to be worth ten times that of any property lost by Arabs who fled Israel in 1948. When will the Jews be reimbursed? In 1948 Jordan expanded its borders and stole the West Bank from what was part of Israel before the 1948 war__, a piece that was NEVER inside the Jordan borders. In 1967, Israel took it back as a buffer from the combined half a dozen Arab armies that were poised to attack the lone Jewish state. It was expected that Arab states would make peace and Israel would return the land within a few months. The Arab states refused to negotiate with Israel. ……………………………………1994 by David Carasso.


▬►Why didn’t the PLO / PA accept any of the MANY two state solutions proposed by Israel & America and backed by many Arab leaders in the last few decades?
▬►If the Arab nations were interested in peace or simply aiding their brethren ,
they would support the West Bank as part of Jordan AND Gaza as part of Egypt
( as it was occupied by Egypt 1948-1967 ).
▬►And they would be using their oil billions to send food to Gaza in stead of guns & rockets.
▬►If the Gazan militants were really fighting for the Gazan people,
they would not launch their rockets from civilian neighborhoods.
▬►Yes - Gaza is occupied - by Hamas and their terrorist militants


MY SOLUTION:
Each of the Arab oil giants will deliver a half million dollars worth of food to Israel every day for a year for Israel to deliver to Gaza.
AND ISRAEL WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE a half million dollars worth of food every day to give to Gaza.
Also- I believe a
three__ state solution: Israel + Gaza + West Bank


Let Hamas and Abbas follow Arafat and to try to turn that down!


[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Still spreading your totally one-sided, pro-Israel piffle I see. How do we move forward? Please try - http://www.nationofchange.org/short-term-ceasefire-long-term-peace-how-resolve-israel-gaza-crisis-1353773137 - and good luck with trying to open your mind. Never Give Up Trying To Do That!

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

How would you deal with a geo-political adversary who worships a book:
Quran: 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter…..Such is the reward of disbelievers.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Your are such a shill and you must know that exactly the same kind of utter crap can be found in The Torah! If I dug that shit up and paraded it as the definitive, modern Jewish view of the world and gentiles - what would that make me? You are a fearmongering, Islamophobic propagandist of the very lowest order and a disgrace to this forum. Go read - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/jews-go-war-themselves-analysis-1324662715 - & see if you can start thinking for yourself. Whose 'geo-political adversary'? What are you talking about? Shame on you for trying to spread your crap on these threads.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

so I watched your one video
NOTHING in it conflicted with the thousands of facts that are in "my" videos
except the definition of "occupied"
Did you watch any of my videos?
or are you afraid to?

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

You ignore the basic question posed above because you are a propagandist idiot and totally ignorant of any of the 'facts' of your own hypocrisy and hatemongering! I have watched enough of your crap already to know you for who and what you are. The Torah is full of rape, pillage and slaughter but what does that have to do with Jews or Judaism now 'or are you afraid to' look, see the parallels or answer that? Shame on you and I copied something for you to read - NOT switch your brain off and just watch, Mr.Ignoramus!

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

you are a name caller and vulgar and obviously can't address history or the truth
I doubt that you watched any of the videos or read my solution
you are a waste of my time
I'm finished with you

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

You so readily defame Palestinians and Muslims but fail to see that such b.s. hate propaganda against Jews and Judaism would rightly be regarded as bigoted and hateful antisemitism, and you have the temerity to call me, a vulgar name caller?!

What a joke! I already destroyed your b.s. propaganda before on the thread after your totally b.s. post - http://occupywallst.org/forum/three-choices/ - and I'll slap you around even more as and when I come across your crap on this forum. You keep living by your own dictum - 'first rule of how to be a good liar - don't tell an easily disprovable lie' ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/three-choices/#comment-883995 ) and I'll keep doing as my conscience dictates and I stand by all that I have said to you on this and other threads.

You are NOT a waste of MY time, you'll be happy to note and I haven't yet finished with your bigotry and b.s. propaganda, which also insists on ignoring and covering over the fact that 20-25% of Palestinians in 1948 were Christians. You wish to to propagandise for the creation of a 'geo-political adversary' and the 'rancid and hysterical responses & the desperate, strident and vituperative propaganda' which you spew here won't be going unnoticed or unchallenged, I assure you.


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THE DELETED OWS NEWS ARTICLE RE. GAZA :

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Since the latest round of violence erupted in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, many of us in OWS (who have always felt inspired by those so-called "Arab Spring" demonstrators who occupied their public squares in a cry for democracy) have felt saddened and torn. We completely condemn the Hamas rocket attacks on civilians, but we also know that retaliation will only beget further violence. We hold diverse opinions on the ongoing situation there, but from the bottom of our hearts, we feel the utmost solidarity and compassion for those -- on all sides of the conflict -- who are suffering from terror and wish peace to prevail. It is possible to support those in Israel [link via Occupy Judaism] without supporting the injustices perpetuated by the Israeli state; we stand united against antisemitism and islamophobia alike, and we condemn violence from all sides.

Some Occupiers have been taking part in a recent round of solidarity demonstrations with the people of Gaza. Meanwhile, in Israel, supporters of the #J14 social justice movement and many others have also demonstrated against the military actions of Israel. OWS has always been a nonviolent movement, and as such, we oppose all militarism as robbing the 99% (of money and lives) and strengthening the stranglehold of the 1%. It is clear that these latest acts of aggression, like wars orchestrated by the U.S. government at home and abroad, are just another way of boosting election chances by power-hungry politicians.

This latest Israeli assault takes place among a complex history. Palestinians, like all people, deserve self-determination, the right to return to their homes, to not have their communities demolished, and not forced to live in open-air prisons under military blockade or threat of invasion. But war will not solve this crisis, nor any other; it will only increase extremism, resentment, poverty, and the underlying systemic problems that perpetuate more violence. Collectively punishing an entire population for the actions of a few is not justice. Just as our own government here in U.S. spends trillions on "military defense" while education, infrastructure, and social programs crumble, neither Hamas nor Netanyahu government truly care for the poor and oppressed within their own lands, aside from meager social programs, and would rather spend millions on rockets than create real social justice.

Make no mistake: While we must stand against violence in all forms, this "war" is a one-sided conflict between a military which is one of the largest and best-equipped in the world, the Israeli Defense Forces, who enjoy widespread support from the U.S. military industrial complex, and a people whose lands have been steadily dwindling for decades. Civilian causalities in Gaza, a tiny strip of land that is densely populated and has been under blockade for some time (meaning that no one can leave, there is no where to hide, and medical supplies and other goods cannot enter) far outweigh those in Israel, with its advanced missile defense system. As a result, despair and desire for revenge are on the rise, and politicians on all sides seek to exploit this.

While the 1% of the United States supports and profits from these latest acts of aggression, and U.S. money and arms are used to conduct it, there are those of us within these colonized borders who refuse to let this happen in our name, with our tax dollars. As if it were not enough to merely denounce militarism and hatred for its own sake, to those who would say this is not an economic issue, or that this does not apply to income inequality: How much poverty is one jet, one bomb worth? There can be no social justice or economic equality in a world ruined by war or controlled by colonialism.

The United States, itself built on broken treaties and stolen land, is still the greatest exporter of arms and builder of the largest (and most racially disparate) prison system ever known on Earth. For those incarcerated and targeted by police brutality, for those who are forced to live on impoverished reservations, and those shackled by debt here in the U.S., to the victims of terror in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and across the world, we must continue to build a mass people's movement across divisions of race, religion, and all other borders to oppose tyranny, colonialism, and war in all forms. We all deserve to live in safety in our homes and enjoy the same rights, regardless of religion or race, whether we are immigrants or not. Our leaders would distract us by filling our minds with zealous hatred and send us to kill and die. We say no more.

The best way to end war is to start by overthrowing our regimes at home. Those with power wish to keep it; and war is profitable, politically and economically, for them. As long as the logic of capitalism declares "pursue profit at all cost," regardless of the toll it takes on humanity, and as long as power, land, and resources are concentrated in the hands of the 1%, wars will continue as the rest of us are forced to compete over what is left, what for thousands of generations was shared by all. The capitalist imperative that allows multinational banks to profit by evicting innocent families from their homes is the same logic that justifies taking more and more land in Palestine and the world over. The bombs over Gaza and Tel Aviv are merely the most dramatic example of a global system that seeks to rob us all of our right to live peacefully. Protesting wars abroad is not enough; we must fight the war at home.

This is why the best way to end war is to end capitalism and domination. We must make right the wrongs of the past by building a world in which all have access to the basic means of survival and safety, so that not one more person will die in a fruitless war. Our struggles should not be against one another, but against those who would rob us of our land and send us to fight and die for their own gain.

Our struggle for peace, justice, and reconciliation here in United States is the same struggle of all peoples everywhere. Those who call for and profit from war, regardless of their stated claims, are the enemies of us all. This is why we say Occupy Wall Street, not Palestine! No to war! No to racism everywhere! No to the war machine fuelled by greed!

The following statement, issued by a group calling itself "Gaza Youth Breaks Out" has gone viral on the internet, and we reproduce it here to show our solidarity with the innocent civilians of Gaza and Israel, and because we feel affinity with its message.

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Any reasoned response to any of the above or below, Mr. Mendacious Ignoramus?

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

GAZAN YOUTH’S MANIFESTO FOR CHANGE

F--k Hamas. F--k Israel. F--k Fatah. F--k UN. F--k UNWRA. F--k USA!

We, the youth in Gaza, are so fed up with Israel, Hamas, the occupation, the violations of human rights and the indifference of the international community! We want to scream and break this wall of silence, injustice and indifference like the Israeli F16’s breaking the wall of sound; scream with all the power in our souls in order to release this immense frustration that consumes us because of this fucking situation we live in; we are like lice between two nails living a nightmare inside a nightmare, no room for hope, no space for freedom. We are sick of being caught in this political struggle; sick of cold dark nights with airplanes circling above our homes; sick of innocent farmers getting shot in the buffer zone because they are taking care of their lands; sick of bearded guys walking around with their guns abusing their power, beating up or incarcerating young people demonstrating for what they believe in; sick of the wall of shame that separates us from the rest of our country and keeps us imprisoned in a stamp-sized piece of land; sick of being portrayed as terrorists, homemade fanatics with explosives in our pockets and evil in our eyes; sick of the indifference we meet from the international community, the so-called experts in expressing concerns and drafting resolutions but cowards in enforcing anything they agree on; we are sick and tired of living a shitty life, being kept in jail by Israel, beaten up by Hamas and completely ignored by the rest of the world. There is a revolution growing inside of us, an immense dissatisfaction and frustration that will destroy us unless we find a way of canalizing this energy into something that can challenge the status quo and give us some kind of hope. The final drop that made our hearts tremble with frustration and hopelessness happened 30rd November, when Hamas’ officers came to Sharek Youth Forum, a leading youth organization (www.sharek.ps) with their guns, lies and aggressiveness, throwing everybody outside, incarcerating some and prohibiting Sharek from working. A few days later, demonstrators in front of Sharek were beaten and some incarcerated. We are really living a nightmare inside a nightmare. It is difficult to find words for the pressure we are under. We barely survived the Operation Cast Lead, where Israel very effectively bombed the shit out of us, destroying thousands of homes and even more lives and dreams. They did not get rid of Hamas, as they intended, but they sure scared us forever and distributed post traumatic stress syndrome to everybody, as there was nowhere to run.

We are youth with heavy hearts. We carry in ourselves a heaviness so immense that it makes it difficult for us to enjoy the sunset. How to enjoy it when dark clouds paint the horizon and bleak memories run past our eyes every time we close them? We smile in order to hide the pain. We laugh in order to forget the war. We hope in order not to commit suicide here and now. During the war we got the unmistakable feeling that Israel wanted to erase us from the face of the earth. During the last years Hamas has been doing all they can to control our thoughts, behaviour and aspirations. We are a generation of young people used to face missiles, carrying what seems to be a impossible mission of living a normal and healthy life, and only barely tolerated by a massive organization that has spread in our society as a malicious cancer disease, causing mayhem and effectively killing all living cells, thoughts and dreams on its way as well as paralyzing people with its terror regime. Not to mention the prison we live in, a prison sustained by a so-called democratic country.

History is repeating itself in its most cruel way and nobody seems to care. We are scared. Here in Gaza we are scared of being incarcerated, interrogated, hit, tortured, bombed, killed. We are afraid of living, because every single step we take has to be considered and well-thought, there are limitations everywhere, we cannot move as we want, say what we want, do what we want, sometimes we even cant think what we want because the occupation has occupied our brains and hearts so terrible that it hurts and it makes us want to shed endless tears of frustration and rage!

We do not want to hate, we do not want to feel all of this feelings, we do not want to be victims anymore. ENOUGH! Enough pain, enough tears, enough suffering, enough control, limitations, unjust justifications, terror, torture, excuses, bombings, sleepless nights, dead civilians, black memories, bleak future, heart aching present, disturbed politics, fanatic politicians, religious bullshit, enough incarceration! WE SAY STOP! This is not the future we want!

We want three things. We want to be free. We want to be able to live a normal life. We want peace. Is that too much to ask? We are a peace movement consistent of young people in Gaza and supporters elsewhere that will not rest until the truth about Gaza is known by everybody in this whole world and in such a degree that no more silent consent or loud indifference will be accepted.

This is the Gazan youth’s manifesto for change!

We will start by destroying the occupation that surrounds ourselves, we will break free from this mental incarceration and regain our dignity and self respect. We will carry our heads high even though we will face resistance. We will work day and night in order to change these miserable conditions we are living under. We will build dreams where we meet walls.

We only hope that you – yes, you reading this statement right now! – can support us. In order to find out how, please write on our wall or contact us directly: freegazayouth@hotmail.com

We want to be free, we want to live, we want peace.

FREE GAZA YOUTH!

Pls consider supporting us by taking one or more of the following actions :

1) Promoting our manifesto by sharing it on your profile on Facebook

2) Sending an email to your friends asking them to like our page FB

3) Translating the manifesto to your language and sending it to us (we have it in English, Arabic, Hebrew, French, Portuguese, German, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Danish)

4) Sending the manifesto to journalists in your country

5) Making organizations in your countries that are concerned with the Palestinian issue and/or youth rights know about our existence

6) Posting links about violation of youth's rights in Gaza on our wall

7) Planning an event in your country about this issue and/or organizing for a skype conference, where we are able to talk with a group of youth, politicians or others outside Gaza

8) Suggesting us ideas for reaching out to a greater number of people

https://www.facebook.com/GazaYBO


from - http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-both-sides-are-awful-dismissal-of-gaza-ignores/ .

[+] -4 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

Should make one giant parking lot out of the Middle East except for Israel

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Your extremism and racism are noted. Why is your head occupying your ass? Extract it immediately and maybe you'll be able to stop talking such shit, you ignorant dork!