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Forum Post: Fracking, What's it Look Like?

Posted 1 year ago on April 20, 2013, 11:16 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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A view from the ground, and please remember these wells and the damage they cause will be abandoned to the public once the well runs dry.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/you-have-see-it-believe-it-what-its-have-fracking-your-backyard?page=0%2C0

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[-] 4 points by Narley (531) 1 year ago

Fracking MUST be stopped. Of all the issues OWS supports, this is most important to me. If we corrupt our ground water we will have nothing.

Where I live there is an underground river (Edwards Aquifer) that supports millions of people. If that is polluted we are in deep shit. We must stop it NOW.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

But they want to sell you bottled water, and jack up the cost of health care(sic).

It's a win, win for WallStreet.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Keep going, you have to see the fleets of idling semis.

Hundreds of them filled with fracking fluids.

And then all the mud and flipped over trucks, not to mention the testimony.

The first pic was done by these guys, and I would tend to think most of their business consists of making the drilling look nice.

http://www.marcellus-shale.us/MARCELLUS-AIR-WV.htm

These are tight, well planned shots, that don't really show much besides that which is "well manicured".

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Beauty's only skin deep, it can get quite ugly underneath, and I've always wondered if at least some of the increasing incidence of sinkholes might be caused by it.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

wait - was that a metaphor? Where am I?

FRACKING -

kay. The earth isn't static, everything is on the move.

There are voids beneath our feet, sometimes they collapse. when these voids are man made and they collapse, then we can say we have a

failure of design.

.

; D

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

we are quite a herd, aren't we? The earth has never known the like. I'm sure that even dinosaurs in stampede could not raise the havoc that we do, just by accident.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Well, it's not like they made the strawberry farms pay for the damage.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

of course not. It is an unwritten law of economics -

  • externalities are exempt
[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How much water does it take to frack a shale structure?

They crack the shale all up, then they suck it all out.

I still think that causes at least a few sinkholes.

Whether from pumping it out of earth as water the first time, or pumping it back into the earth, filled with chemicals the second time, or when they suck it back out to get to the released oils and gases, the third time, or when they pump it back into the earth again, because they don't want to pay to clean it up the fourth time they handle it.

That's four chances to make a sinkhole, even many miles away from the wellhead.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I would guess that it is entirely possible, but it all depends on the geology. Much more likely is the possible contamination of underground aquifers, and I hear there is evidence of seismic activity resulting from the fracking process.

None of which is good, amelioration in the long term demands rigorous adherence to best practices - some of which may not even have been developed as yet - all of which cost money - the equation as a whole doesn't look promising.

But that's alright. The nation needs energy. We will sacrifice a few homeowners, their civil liberty, perhaps even their lives or the lives of their children, to meet that need.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I understand.

http://exxonhatesyourchildren.com/

Or maybe it's not so much hate, as it is that they just don't give a fuck.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

umm - It looks like exxon created their own little pressure cooker - I'm sure that wasn't their intent, I guess they just misjudged the public mood.

What is ThunderClap and LoudSauce?

are these environs of the cybernetic void conducive to the propagation of revolutionary thoughts, ideas, and action? Or are they just another large, empty echo chamber . . . .

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Exxon threatened to sue if they kept airing it.

so make of that, what you will.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I didn't watch the ad itself - must be the ad actually says

  • Exxon hates your children

hahahaa! I will have to look that up tomorrow just to see - I mean, obviously if Exxon is going to sue it has to be worth watching.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tell Energy Secretary Moniz: Don't encourage expanded fracking.

The petition reads: Fracked gas isn't clean energy. Please oppose projects to export fracked gas abroad, which will increase fracking pollution here in America, and keep the world hooked on the fossil fuels which are dumping carbon pollution into our atmosphere, speeding climate change.

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Dear Dan,

In his climate speech on Tuesday, President Obama took some big steps forward against climate change, but at the same time pushed a dangerous and counterproductive endorsement of expanding natural gas development and fracking. Obama's plan gives implicit support for exporting natural gas, stating that his administration will "encourage the development of a global market for gas."1

If the Obama administration green-lights fracked gas exports, it will encourage more fracking in the United States, endangering our precious water, putting the health of countless Americans at risk and accelerating climate change.

As the Secretary at the Department of Energy, Ernest Moniz is responsible for deciding whether to grant permits allowing the fracking industry to export huge quantities of natural gas overseas.

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The Energy Department approved its first natural gas export permit in two years just before Moniz was sworn in.3 4 But Moniz's promise to hold off on approving permits until he's undertaken further study is a genuinely encouraging step, and it proves that Moniz has a lot of leverage in the administration to push back against natural gas exports. He should.

Far from being a climate solution, expanded fracking would be a disaster for the climate. Fracking releases huge amounts of methane, an extremely potent greenhouse gas. Fracking is a highly toxic process that contaminates water and releases poisonous air pollution, putting nearby communities at risk. Furthermore, as recent climate disasters like Superstorm Sandy demonstrate, it's dangerous to consider any policy that would dramatically expand fossil fuel extraction in the United States.

Moniz has expressed support for fracked gas in the past, but, now that he's a highly visible public official, he's likely more susceptible to pressure from activists. We need to make it clear that Americans across the country are watching him closely, and expect him to put our health and safety ahead of the financial interests of the fracking industry.

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  1. Jenny Mandel, "Obama's climate plan silent on exports but pledges support for global gas markets," EnergyWire, June 27, 2013

  2. "Moniz: LNG applications on hold," The Advocate, May 31, 2013

  3. Matthew Daley, "Energy Dept. backs Texas LNG export plan," Associated Press, May 17, 2013

  4. Steve Hargreaves, "U.S. steps up natural gas exports," CNNMoney, June 4, 2013

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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