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Forum Post: Fracking: The IssueThat Won't Go Away.

Posted 2 years ago on July 31, 2012, 1:18 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

If there's any doubt the practice of hydraulic fracturing needs to be stopped, read this link.

"Amy Paré, MD, she initially was unsure what to make of the bleeding, oozing legions covering their faces.

The wounds were not cancerous, but the inflammation was severe and becoming worse. Dr. Paré’s suspicions grew when she learned that the patients lived near the same natural gas drilling site. Tests later found that the patients had phenol and hippuric acid in their urine, two contact irritants rarely found in humans. The patients improved after they stopped drinking water from their underground wells.

“Knowing what chemicals they had been exposed to would have sped up the process” of treating the patients, said Dr. Paré, who specializes in treating skin conditions."

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2012/08/27/gvl10827.htm

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It will likely continue to be dismissed, until it hits the water supply of a major metro area.

But by then it will be much too late, and they will refuse to pay for cleaning it up anyway.

That is the gist of the groundwork of deniability that they have been laying all along.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The proper response to fracking proponents is not reasoned argument -- they are psychopaths, liars and corpoRATS. The response is to marshal the forces on our side and out power them.

If Cuomo supports fracking in NY he will be a one term governor.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

We could try forcing them into an insurance pool.

One they would pay into commensurate to the damage potential of their activities.

I think the same should be done with mining corporations as well.

I think that these activities that have the potential for such damage, should not be allowed to go bankrupt and hand over the cleanup to we the people, as matter of business.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Good idea. How about all the dangerous no longer used drilling platforms in the Gulf and elsewhere?

To refine my argument above, of course reasoned argument is needed to gather others to our side. However the other side negotiates only as a ruse. For them I argue we need to draw a line in the sand and get down to the fight.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The pool should be large enough to cover all of it.

Why not pit them against each other in a "market" solution?

They love the damn things, don't they?

A little competition for them would be a good thing for us..

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fracking = Murder/Suicide for short term money for the suicides to enjoy while they kill the rest of us then kill themselves in remorse for killing the world.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Action on fracking:

This Saturday is the Global Frackdown. Hundreds of organizations, thousands of people and communities all over the world will be standing together against fracking.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Important stuff here.

This one makes me wonder what happened to our friend from NC.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/20/3545099/fracking-opponents-keep-up-efforts.html

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is so good to see reports of the people getting together with the local officials to protest. It is an awesome thing to see the global protests on fracking. People are waking-up are becoming aware - and are acting.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yes, but this thread too, will likely be buried under all the soap opera crap going on around here.....again.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I guess that is why we need to drag it back out into the light. On a regular basis. Standard operational procedure - in fighting against the crap slingers - the distracters - the shills that would see this forum inactive.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I don't have a problem with that.

I do get tired of the soap opera.

So here's a bump.

I'll toss ya some twinkles for trying too....................:)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thx - I am gonna make the announcement it's own post as well.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

As long as we legalize corporations buying congress, we will be fracked.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here in Michigan they sold 94,000 acres of mineral and gas rights, open to fracking and are about to auction off another 194,000 for the same purpose.

PS. They only got 4 mil for those "rights".

I guess that's why they just had to raise my taxes.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's nice of Alan to remind us of the sacrifices unions suffered, to aid all American workers. It's too bad they won't return the favor, now that it's more important than ever.

[-] 2 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 2 years ago

If you want fracking to go away -- re-vamp mineral rights laws so that they (rightfully) belong back to the public. Why should a few people get the profit from a billion years of stored solar capital?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Agree.

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 2 years ago

The oil explorers pay ranchers ( most of whom owned their land since before WW1) $300 an acre just for the priviledge of thinking about looking for oil. Then if oil is found, the rancher gets a nice fat royalty for every barrel.

why is that wrong?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Drilling for oil in my land mostly stays in MY land
Fracking in my land spreads underground to contaminate water for miles
because fracking means pumping poison into YOUR earth

I'm glad you asked

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tweeted.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/oil-boom-north-dakota-is-the-next-hub-of-us-energy-9660512?click=main_sr

This is a good article about fracking explains the realistic terms and items that actually happen when it is done.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Reason TV : Hhmmm - what could their motive be for saying that fracking was safe?

Reason TV is a website affiliated with Reason magazine that produces short-form documentaries and video editorials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Foundation

excerpt from above link: Funding

Reason Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization completely supported by voluntary contributions from individuals, foundations, corporations, and the sale of its publications. Its largest donors are the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

Ignorance and blind hatred can lead to disastrous things. The facts in the video weren't falsified like they said drilling does have risk science has risk science will prevail no matter what

And yet you refuse to comment on the environmental engineer

Im not defending fracking i agree that we must get off an oil fuel economy i am merely pointing out that fracking is not dangerous nor will it ever be. this is a useless argument. Oil will be used by man kind until we die because oil is used in every machined part, most clothes, furniture, storage, toys, personal hygiene products, cosmetics, drugs, and buildings.

here some more video since you didn't watch/ like the video cnn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAxsTJd7VCA

chesapeake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73mv-Wl5cgg

daily resource center http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeo-gEkbq6k

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You want information on fracking(?):

http://nofracking.com/

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

i know about fracking I'm wondering about you

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Go through the link I posted. I am wondering who you are that you would defend the destruction of the environment.

http://nofracking.com/

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

I've been before you posted the link

Considering this is less destructive than your thinking and there is a lack of scientific evidence to support any claim that caused these methane leaks im talking about fracking itself not the pipping.

The pipping on multiple fracking units have failed and that is an issue

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The issue is - fracking to extract oil and LNG is poisoning the environment.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

well with that issue then no there is no issue of environmental harm

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No issue in that the environment is being poisoned by Fracking wells. Because the environment is being poisoned by fracking for Oil and LNG.

That was easy. You could have saved a lot of time just by saying that in the 1st place. Instead of pretending to defend fracking.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

no im not defending fracking i dont really think we should be looking into oil as our fuel.

What im saying as a neutral party to this is that fracking the actual physical pumping 99 water .5% sand .5% chemicals into the land are not harmful to water supplies.

Like i said before the pipping is the issue. unsafe pipping of the extracted oil and methane is the problem. There have been several issues with pipelines bursting in these reservoirs and i have an issue with unsafe practices of pipping

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So fracking "is" a problem. An unnecessary one at that.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

Are you reading at all the pipe is the weak part of drilling. The jelly that is pumped into has never cause any harm to water reserves

fracking has not nor will it harm water supplies

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Are you understanding the part about drilling down through the water tabel to get to the shale to be fracked - the jacket they pour is cement - the cement jacket has a history of failing. The fracking is done under high pressure. Hundreds of wells drilled through the water table - then pressurized. This does not even get into the gas that escapes even after a well has been capped.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yeah i do understand it goes all the way down 9000 - 10,000ft which is much deeper than the water table.

Most jackets are what you said just jackets that have pipping inside them. But you are right they have failed before and could possibly fail again.

to the wells that have been capped i have not read anything on this so cant comment

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

hmm

where does the jelly go ?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

sucked back up when the water is dragged back up some of the videos i put up show it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They still won't say what's in the fluids, and they still can offer NO guarantee that it won't get into ground water and aquifers.

And if it does got into that water? Will they still be willing to pay to clean it up?

I doubt it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

North Dakota is in trouble - they depend on ground water ( aquifer ). If you look at a survey map of their aquifer's - you will see what I mean.

North Dakota Geographic Targeting System for Groundwater ...

Bakken Shale Drilling Activity 2010 - YouTube

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

ND has low unemployment as a result of oil/gas jobs. Have they sold their souls to the devil?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They are finding that out - NOW - and then we will see what they do about it.

Contaminated Creek in Bakken Oil Fields, North ...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oh lord. This is disturbing. Much luck to the people. ND ain't alone. Wherever fracking is happening there are problems. We cannot be pennywise and dollar foolish.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is what NY can look forward to if fracking continues. This is what is happening all over in regards to OIL and LNG fracking.

Fracking… | TheZoo

tpzoo.wordpress.comJun 29, 2010

The process is called hydraulic fracturing, or “Fracking”. .... This is a map showing where in the USA “Fracking ...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Last week I protested Dem Gov Cuomo on fracking in NY. I'm with you. We gotta fight for clean water. We gotta stop burning everything. And start using wind/sun for energy.

Long overdue.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thorium reactors. Hydrogen for fuel for industry and transportation.

We have got to get rid of fossil fuel use.

We have the technology to use RIGHT NOW.

This is what is so sick.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

And this is what is available now. With advanced material science such as Microscopy (arrangement of the composition and structure of a material) the sky is the limit if we could get big oil and their like to quit discouraging investments in alternate energy. We have been coasting on the investments made back when people used to dream about exploring our solar system and universe. Back then when people talked about going to mars and mining the astroid belt it was seen as something we could advance enough to do. Now we've made that promise made to us as a nation a joke. I highly recommend everyone check out neil degrasse tyson the astrophysicist about the seen and unseen benefits of a robust space program. To paraphrase neil "a civilization is either exploring their boundries or returning to the cave". To me it looks like we're headed for the hills.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Space is definitely an area open to exploration and development. But 1st we need to be responsible adults here on planet earth.

[-] 2 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

I agree we need to take care of our planet. I believe a strong space presence would help with that goal. Right now we spend .5 cents to the tax dollar on nasa. If that was raised to 1-2 cents on the dollar we would see a growth of innovation not seen since the 60's. Plus anyone I know interested in space is also more concerned about the enviroment then the average person.

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

You are completely correct with the inspiration kids will do better in school and have motivation to do good work

plus there is a chance of unlimited energy that can be generated outside resources

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

And if we advance enough in tech we have enough resources in the solar system that we can tap. Some of the astroids in the belt have more heavy metals then man has mined in our history. The plus to that is we can supply our resource needs without ruining the planet.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

exactly space-x and google are looking into asteroid mining as a near future source

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes new technologies are developed for space endeavors - many excellent technologies have come from our past explorations into space.

Thing is - we need to use our advancements here on earth in a major way - to end fossil fuel use for 1 and with that end the fossil fuel strife. Make our energy use clean and inexpensive for the world.

By eliminating conflicts - sources of conflicts we enrich the whole planet and free up an unbelievable amount of money and resources that can be used to "start" our space works programs - as it should be made self sustaining by space operations ASAP.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

And the improvement of thorium tech on earth might just be what is needed for a long term space presence.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thorium reactors - Yep - and the use of liquid metal batteries as storage and delivery hubs throughout the system as these could be used to keep demand spikes from stressing the system - they are also useful for taking input from wind turbines ( which can fluctuate a lot ) and give their input into the system a smooth interface. Liquid metal batteries could make a dent in system power/energy waste.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

genetic design could change the world outlook

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 2 years ago

I am a firm believer that all of our non-political problems can be solved by advancements made in technology.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You keep on keepin on. It will happen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I would like to see it happen in a big way - TODAY.

And it could if we could educate the public. If the public understood fracking and what it does and understand the fact that fracking need not ever be done.

Well - then you might see an angry public get active.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We are trying. More protests. More education. It WILL happen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

More sharing of information on the internet as well.

Yep - we ARE making progress - But it can seem so maddeningly slow when so much that is so wrong continues to be allowed.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Always

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It is a scary situation. Gotta keep agitating.

It's all we can do.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

As the word spreads - hopefully those hearing the word will also look into finding and sharing more information.

Grow the network.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Because progress is so slow! I hope it is enough to avoid real disaster.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

With the fracking that has been done so far just in North Dakota alone - there are going to be huge water issues as well as ground and air pollution issues as a result. Ground water issues that can not be repaired - only addressed in some sort of cleaning process for every drop of water to be used for support of life. This is happening all over the USA and we will have the same issues all over the USA.

Get your water at the store - processed to be safe to drink ( we think ) enjoy!!!

Toxic water? Can't bathe or shower? Not a problem - buy our new body wash wipes - now with lanoline and aloe vera.

Oily dirty disgusting hair because you can no longer wash it? Not a problem we have a whole new line of gentle depilatory products - you can find them in your local store next to the body wash wipes and the scalp wax for that gleaming cranium look that is becoming so popular with the young crowd. ( we are almost certain that all of these fine products will have no toxic side effects).

Be careful not to cause a spark which might set your land river or lake on fire. Dropping water on those fires just seems to spread them. Outdoor barbequing has been banned as it is too risky - your neighborhood and surrounding civilization could go up in smoke.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The link to the aquifer keeps linking back to a forum thread.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I don't know what happened there. I replaced the link. You should be able to open it and see a map of ND aquifers now.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It works now.......:)

It would be nice to see an overlay with the fracking activity.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That is not something that I have been able to find anywhere - and it should be a common item - unless of course you are into fracking and would not like that easy graphic to be available for public viewing.

The best I could do at the moment was find those two separate links. You can get a look at the state and how the aquifers run - then go the the other link and look at the layout of activity in the state.

Overlays are what the anti-fracking groups need to put together.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Are there any photoshop experts in the house?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I bet there are. Me(?) I can find my way around a keyboard - Kinda. But I bet there are some pretty slick computer graphics people that could do it in no time flat.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I use lightroom for my photography needs.

Photoshop is a labyrinth to me.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Been a long long time since I have done any work in a Darkroom. Though I suppose now - that if you could do a double exposure that you could then take a digital picture of that and up load it to your PC.

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

There is no such thing as a guarantee laws of physics tell us that but to think that this jelly is going to worm up into the water from over 10,000ft below is silly. To think fracking is the single cause of these build ups isnt practicle.

After talking to a well known Environmental Engineer and and advocate of clean energy. He explained to me the personally how fracking isnt an issue and that methane builds up have been happening since the begin of well based water supplies.

the jelly that is used is a alcohol based jelly

best video about fracking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_xJqPjE_I

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This guy hedged practically everything he said with, " as far as we know".

He also contradicted himself a few times.

Dan? You should know better than to try and get over with a blatantly libe(R)tarian site.

A site and philosophy that is often funded in a major portion by oil barons.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

It is incomprehensible that oil/gas corporations are risking the toxification of aquifers to profit. This should signal the reason to end corporate personhood.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

There is method in their madness. Once the water tables are ruined, we will have to buy water. The markup on bottled water is so much higher than any other product, that the corporocriminals can't wait to have that market cornered.

You do know that Libya was invaded for it's vast water resources? Google the Nubian Aquifer.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

Human unity upon their defined purposes with free speech is the only answer. Logically the proposals for preparation for article 5 make more sense than anything in the longest term.

Water pollution from air pollution is destroying habitat and environmental organization refuse to publicize it. They are corporations too.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Good post. Saw an article a while back, about the elite buying water rights around the world. More greed and control.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Why not?

They are already busy destroying the atmosphere, the ocean and most of the worlds surface fresh water.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

True-meaning they might be controlled by something NOT HUMAN.

That would be unconscious control.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I hope that wasn't supposed to make sense, because it failed to do so.

It's being done for profit. Nothing else.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

Appears we have instincts. phylogenetic DNA in us that are not human, reptilian and insectoid. They can control behaviors. Through history we think the human one dominates, but that may not be so considering the illogical, unreasonable behaviors exhibted by human more recently. And, it seems time doesn't matter in the way it does in our daily lives, different scale. Much longer between thresholds. Hard for us to be aware of these things while our history is being yanked and re written every so often. Yes, we been made to think it is for profit because it is quasi logical socially, but then again, how can anyone profit from sheparding the destruction of the ecosphere?
Again, the time scale is an issue which might be a disadvantage when it comes to our more human DNA controlling our evolution or even recognizing how certain behaviroe DO NOT encourage evolution.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

There's all those little guys that live in our gut too.

DNA? Yes. we are part of everything that's ever been, and we will be part of everything that will follow.

But WallStreet?

Yes, they really are doing all those things for profit, not because of some "errant" DNA.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

Errant DNA causes extinctions. Ever consider that? Can you consider the wall street behaviors anything but leading towards extinction?

The word "profit" is a generalization which refers to excess material power. Such power is useful for seeking gratifications that are much prized. The psychological basis for gratifications is instinctual.

What if the origins of instincts like those regulating sex and memory were partially located in the genetic realm of insects, but yet had huge influence on the human unconscious in decision making and or memory?

Maybe you are seeing my point now. We are complex creatures.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Errant DNA! It could explain all the psychopaths on WallStreet!

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 2 years ago

Absolutely, and mass media created them by stimulating specific epigenetic changes in cell production of their brains that exagerates the psychopathy and the "profit".
A large part of our populations have suffered some similar effect, and so still practice funneling money, thinking they have no options, to the psychopaths.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Atmosphere and oceans are mixing masses, aquifers are static by comparison. They're proving that the people are helpless to protect themselves and that could backfire. As long as its ambigous, they might get away with it, but this is not ambigous. It will cause immense resistence once the media non feasance/malfeasance/neglect is overcome, if it can be.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's deep under ground, where no one can actually see what they are doing to it.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

When good wells for drinking water are ruined, people do not need to see, they know.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Hi shooz,

Thank you for post and link.

There will be many "Sacrifice Zones".

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It won't be the Koch's making any of the sacrifices.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Agree. Amazing how selfish and hateful they are. They are willfully committing a "Crime Against All Living Things", and no justice.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Awww. They're only little earthquakes.........so far.

And if it's a big one???

Well they already have built in deniability.

As far as they're concerned, it's why we pay taxes and they, for the most part, don't.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Methane geysers.

Yes, that's correct. Methane geysers are just one more fracking issue.

The one in the article had water mixed in it, but no one seemed to ask if that's necessary. Without the water it's colorless and odorless, so who would know?

It's just one more of the next five fracking issues.

http://www.alternet.org/fracking/5-weird-and-frightening-effects-fracking-you-may-not-know-about

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Who's zoomin' who?

The EPA can now "suggest". that fracking "might" be a drinking water issue.

"What do the latest results suggest? The USGS provided only the raw data and no interpretation. A spokeswoman for the EPA has said that the results are consistent with the agency's findings, and an analysis by environmental groups released this week confirmed that. A scientist who has investigated possible contamination at other sites, Rob Jackson of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, says that multiple lines of evidence are certainly “suggestive” of fracking as a source of contamination."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-fracking-behind-contamination-in-wyoming-groundwater

At least it's getting more attention in the "respected" press.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The saddest part, is that this will not get the attention it deserves until a major metro area's water supply is rendered undrinkable.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Or if there is a major fire and/or explosion due to gas build-up in the plumbing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

People - if you are in an area that has fracking going on U may want to test your water on a regular basis - OH - and if you have a habit of smoking in the bathroom - U may want to rethink that practice.

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 2 years ago

The average pay of a rig worker in the fracking oil fields is $65-90000 with retirement, great health care, vision, dental and life insurance.

The average salary for a solar installer in San Francisco is $30000, no bennies. $15 bucks an hour in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

No thank you.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good article. I signed and tweeted the petition.

http://www.alternet.org/fracking/anti-fracking-protesters-confront-pennsylvania-gov-during-kayaking-pr-trip-endangered-river

I added to the petition's note:

We do not need to destroy the environment, we do not need to poison the Air the Land and the water.

There are clean power/energy/fuel alternative technologies available - RIGHT NOW.

Spread the word.

Green Tech. New and improved - now with Liquid Metal Battery for efficient power storage and distribution.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

You have got to watch this vid: The liquid Metal Battery - another piece to the puzzle.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

Additional Liquid Metal Battery links.

http://lmbcorporation.com/

http://lmbcorporation.com/files/flyerFinal.pdf

Support green energy technology - industry - jobs. Save our world save our economy.

Rework free trade agreements as they are currently detrimental to the Business, Employment, Economic and Environmental health of the USA and in extension the world.

Put an end to outsourcing for Profit over People and the environment.

Stop world wide corporate abuses of people and environments.

Give this some serious thought/consideration.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

This stuff is still happening and the focus on trolls isn't helping anything at all.

Thanks DK......:)

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fossil Fuel destruction of the environment has got to be a rallying cry for everyone. It is needless destruction. It is needless poisoning. All for money.

Thank you for bringing back a proper function & focus to this mornings forum. {:-])

[-] 1 points by flip (7022) 2 years ago

our society runs on fossil fuels - ending that addiction will not be easy - trying to replace oil may be impossible

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21335) 2 years ago

You are right, shooz. Let's out the trolls quickly then get back on message. We have far too many problems in this country to focus on ridiculous nonsense.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sometimes I think I argue with them, just for the typing practice.............:)

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In compliment to your post. I attach a link which has all kinds of information on it about fracking. I believe that Nevada1 1st posted this link.

http://nofracking.com/

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thanks, we need all the info we can get on the dangers of fracking.

[-] 2 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

Surface pollution take decenias to seriously pollute ground water, it is already a problem in a few countries and the situation won't get better.

Industrialists know that, and if they do and persist fracking and exploiting bitumen sands, then they have no good consciousness, except for themselves, friend and family, but nothing new there. If they can't act with consciousness, if governments can't or don't want to stop them, If peaceful protests have no effect, then what is the solution? And this is only a fraction of all the troubles, you think there are enough protesters and petitions to stop all those insanities?

Maybe everybody will become sensible at the end of this year, they say we'll enter a new epoch, poof! magic, everybody making sense, but that's not my opinion, I think the solution is to use this reality to create another one, but people are not even at the step of considering that as a possibility.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Industrialists do know this and that's why they invest in bottled water all over the world.

It would seem they are working on a way to sell us air too.

Perhaps when the first dome is built over one of their gated "communities" to keep the bad air out, enough people will wake up to what has been happening.

[-] 1 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

What can't be sold can't exist!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yet profiting from the non-existent, is not beyond their means.

A simple, cheap astroturf "grassroots" campaign to sew doubt about a local water supply will spike sales of bottled water.

[-] 1 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

Never ending money for speculators...

Someday they'll put stars on sale, apply a copyright, and then they'll tax anybody using the name.

Seriously did you notice we have to pay for snapshot of public things like a statue on the net? or a photo of earth? It wasn't the case a few years ago.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

As an amateur photographer, I am aware of many things you are no longer allowed to photograph. As well as those you may be harassed for.

In Florida, it is a felony to stand on public land and photograph certain "farms".

This means that they they now "own" reflected photons.

[-] 1 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

Isn't that a kind of censorship too? Why can't I photograph something I can see with my eyes? aren't eyes associated to a brain a kind of photographic device? Someday we'll have to walk with a chip that will close our eyes as we walk so we don't see things...

[-] 1 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 2 years ago

Our right to piss straight!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Whatever you want to call it, it's a serious precedent.

What will they limit next?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I had to re tweet that link. http://nofracking.com/

I hope everyone circulates this type of information.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

IT ( FRACKING ) IS TOTALLY INSANE. It ( the process ) is gonna fail at start-up - during processing - and after being capped - it is a totally poisonous thing - start to finish - and it is never finished as there is no way to repair the ground damage and the subsequent follow-up ground poisoning.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/oil-boom-north-dakota-is-the-next-hub-of-us-energy-9660512?click=main_sr

So you get a direct link about fracking its not to bad when it starts talking about the Bakken in North Dakota is when it explains parts of fracking.

Mostly the article explains oil prices

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21335) 2 years ago

Too funny!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Get used to earthquakes in unexpected places.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10606-special-investigation-the-earthquakes-and-toxic-waste-of-ohios-fracking-boom

But it's OK, the Kochs made another fortune off of it, and they still won't pay their taxes.