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Forum Post: Focus OWS on the the CIA. They are the #1 source of corruption and root of violence in the world.

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 7, 2013, 12:57 p.m. EST by occupyitnow (31)
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The CIA.

They are behind everything wrong with America since they started.

Drones

Detentions

Assassinations

Extrajudicial killings

Creating right wing extremist groups

Supporting right wing dictators worldwide

Working with Nazis and hiring Nazis

Assassination of JFK and MLK and others

Drug dealing all across America

False flag operations worldwide

False intelligence reports (causing wars)

Water boarding and other forms of torture

Spying on US citizens and the world

Occupy the CIA and investigate their offices (do a thorough FOIA request in person).

Expose them.

Use non-violence and civil disobedience.

Organize a national march in Washington and march on CIA HQ in March 2014.

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[10] and questions of integrity[11][12][13] about the underlying intelligence.[14] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted.[15] Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was "the intelligence failure" in Iraq,[16] while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration "misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq".[17] A key CIA informant in Iraq admitted that he lied about his allegations, "then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war".[18]

In an interview with BBC in June 2004, David Kay, former head of the Iraq Survey Group, made the following comment:

"Anyone out there holding – as I gather Prime Minister Blair has recently said – the prospect that, in fact, the Iraq Survey Group is going to unmask actual weapons of mass destruction, [is] really delusional."

In 2002, Scott Ritter, a former UNSCOM weapons inspector heavily criticized the Bush administration and media outlets for using the testimony of alleged former Iraqi nuclear scientist Khidir Hamza, who defected from Iraq in 1994, as a rationale for invading Iraq;

We seized the entire records of the Iraqi Nuclear program, especially the administrative records. We got a name of everybody, where they worked, what they did, and the top of the list, Saddam's "Bombmaker" [which was the title of Hamza's book, and earned the nickname afterwards] was a man named Jafar Dhia Jafar, not Khidir Hamza, and if you go down the list of the senior administrative personnel you will not find Hamza's name in there. In fact, we didn't find his name at all. Because in 1990, he didn't work for the Iraqi nuclear program. He had no knowledge of it because he worked as a kickback specialist for Hussein Kamel in the Presidential Palace.

He goes into northern Iraq and meets up with Ahmad Chalabi. He walks in and says, I'm Saddam's "Bombmaker". So they call the CIA and they say, "We know who you are, you're not Saddam's 'Bombmaker', go sell your story to someone else." And he was released, he was rejected by all intelligence services at the time, he's a fraud.

And here we are, someone who the CIA knows is a fraud, the US Government knows is a fraud, is allowed to sit in front of the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and give testimony as a expert witness. I got a problem with that, I got a problem with the American media, and I've told them over and over and over again that this man is a documentable fraud, a fake, and yet they allow him to go on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and testify as if he actually knows what he is talking about.[85]

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[-] 3 points by occupyitnow (31) 1 year ago

If we can clean up the CIA, then we can have good foreign policy. You had HW Bush as President, B Clinton as President, W Bush as President, H Clinton as Sec State, and now Kerry as Sec State. That is five Yale graduates who are members of the same secret society. What are the odds of that happening unless you control the system? That is like hitting 5 jackpots on a 3 dial slot machine. It just doesn't happen naturally like that.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

these "secret organizations" support themselves

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

That is a good idea GirlFriday. We can all add links to the laundry list up above of CIA BS that needs to be confronted and purged from the United States.

Keep the links coming!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

It won't be confronted in any meaningful changing kind of way. It sure as hell won't be purged.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/5/headlines/italian_court_reversals_acquittals_of_cia_agents_for_03_kidnapping

See that ^^^^ It does nothing. I think you have long passed the stage of accountability. Unless of course you work for 'em and then tell on 'em. Then by Jove, you will be held accountable.

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Try to really understand what this implies,

"Globalizing Torture is the most comprehensive account yet assembled of the human rights abuses associated with CIA secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations. It details for the first time what was done to the 136 known victims, and lists the 54 foreign governments that participated in these operations. It shows that responsibility for the abuses lies not only with the United States but with dozens of foreign governments that were complicit."

It is not like you can just all of a sudden go knocking on the doors of 54 foreign countries and say "Hey, can we fly over and torture some people next Friday?" It means the CIA through operation Gladio, most likely, has full control of these governments. This is what they have been doing underground since World War II with Hitler's top one hundred spies that joined the OSS and CIA.

Of course these people condone torture, they are a network of Nazis who have infiltrated these countries. This only adds credibility to the theory of tens of thousands of escaped Nazi war criminals spreading out around the world in preparation for the New German Order (#4). They never give up.

[-] 2 points by occupyitnow (31) 1 year ago

If you investigate and lock up all the criminals that get exposed here, you will find out how peaceful the world can be.

[-] 2 points by occupyitnow (31) 1 year ago

From the home page here at OWS:

"The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. "

[-] 2 points by occupyitnow (31) 1 year ago

Everyone is so afraid to even comment on this. Proves my point.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the text in sideways scrolling this page making it unreadable.

We seized the entire records of the Iraqi Nuclear program, especially the administrative records. We got a name of everybody, where they worked, what they did, and the top of the list, Saddam's "Bombmaker" [which was the title of Hamza's book, and earned the nickname afterwards] was a man named Jafar Dhia Jafar, not Khidir Hamza, and if you go down the list of the senior administrative personnel you will not find Hamza's name in there. In fact, we didn't find his name at all. Because in 1990, he didn't work for the Iraqi nuclear program. He had no knowledge of it because he worked as a kickback specialist for Hussein Kamel in the Presidential Palace.

He goes into northern Iraq and meets up with Ahmad Chalabi. He walks in and says, I'm Saddam's "Bombmaker". So they call the CIA and they say, "We know who you are, you're not Saddam's 'Bombmaker', go sell your story to someone else." And he was released, he was rejected by all intelligence services at the time, he's a fraud.

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[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Nonsense. I go up to the CIA all the time, the food's really good. The Culinary Institute of America, it's just up the Hudson a bit. Nothing scary about it at all!

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

This topic is the root of the root causes.

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Here the a video interview with Dr Rosin.

http://youtu.be/T4uavnitkhI

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Anyone who IS here from the CIA want to confirm or deny these charges? This is your chance. You are ON TRIAL with the American People. You better have answers.

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I don't have hard evidence, but I think I've seen indications over the last decade that may indicate the CIA has been eclipsed by some segment of the Pentagon. Not sure.

[-] 2 points by occupyitnow (31) 1 year ago

The people we need to be worried about are not confined to the CIA, but that was one agency they personally designed and controlled from the beginning. NASA is another one.

The CIA is the most strategically important for them due to the secrecy they have built into it in terms of cells. They can isolate their operations from cell to cell. There would be legitimate cells of innocent agents and corrupted cells of insiders who are causing all the problems (false intel, drug dealing, and the like). The CIA also allows them to operate internationally with their own airplanes (Air America) and function at clearance levels over the military's head. What to speak of their lack of any real identity. They are gaming the system really good.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

they're paid to

in a saturated environment, the trick is distillation

the goblin need more quotes

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

NASA? I'm sure you must have meant NSA . . . NASA appears to me to be a completely legit civilian agency.

[-] 2 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Full spectrum dominance: The Nazi-American race to control space

Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program used to recruit the scientists of Nazi Germany for employment by the United States in the aftermath of World War II (1939/45). It was executed by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), and in the context of the burgeoning SovietAmerican Cold War (1945/91) one purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific knowledge and expertise to the USSR.

Although the JIOAs recruitment of German scientists began after the European Allied victory (8 May 1945), US President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism. Said restriction would have rendered ineligible most of the scientists the JIOA had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientists Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a menace to the security of the Allied Forces.

To circumvent President Trumans anti-Nazi order, and the Allied Potsdam and Yalta agreements, the JIOA worked independently to create false employment and political biographies for the scientists. The JIOA also expunged from the public record the scientists' Nazi Party memberships and régime affiliations. Once bleached of their Nazism, the US Government granted the scientists security clearance to work in the United States. Paperclip, the projects operational name, derived from the paperclips used to attach the scientists new political personæ to their US Government Scientist JIOA personnel files.

The worst security risks given top security clearances. You have no idea what these murderers did inside our military, NASA, CIA, defense contractors, and every other government department they were placed in. They never gave up being Nazis. They just continued their Nazi agenda hidden deep inside America's elite military-industrial complex and given top top secret clearances. We really blew it on this one. There is no telling what damage they have done to US security.

If they have plotted some Nazi plan all this time using America as a staging ground, then it has to do with Werner Van Braun's obsession to get control of space. He had a vision for controlling Earth through the military high ground of space. That was the real mission of the Space Shuttle project. It is likely the real mission of everything NASA has ever done. According to government officials, "Space is already weaponized and controlled." The shuttles have been retired. The timely "co-incidence" just after space has been weaponized and the shuttles retired is that Germany is withdrawing all its gold from Fort Knox, suddenly without cause. That is potentially very concerning. I would imagine any military offensive would take place AFTER Germany gets that gold delivered. Let's see how things unfold.

Werner Van Braun sat on the board of directors at Mercedes Benz just before he died showing that the old links to his old Nazi buddies who escaped trial never were broken. Like the Nazis who entered the US, many Nazis changed their identities and got back into the corporate and political seats in Germany. I suspect we have a serious potential problem looming on the horizon. When they decide to launch this plan, we will lose control of our satellites, and everything in space. From space they will control planes, ships, subs, missiles, tanks, troops and everything else and have us pinned down.

They have likely fooled the Air Force into thinking they have control of all this hardware, but how difficult would it be for a Nazi German scientist working in a lab with hundreds of other Nazi German scientists to build in a backdoor that could allow them to remotely take over control of the hardware on some other encrypted frequency? One minute the Air Force is in control, and in about 1 second the Nazis have commandeered space and hundreds of billions of dollars of space weapons, some of which may not even be know to exist, hiding within other hardware like space telescopes, and so on. Whatever the case, we should assume the worst from these Nazis and systematically work to prove or disprove the actual situation. A loyal dedicated team of American born scientists and maybe astronauts, not under the control of NASA, need to verify ever project and aspect of NASA, the CIA, and every other department and industry where German's of any flavor predominate(d).

So let's see what happens next. What it looks like is that they are using holograms to create UFOs in the air through lasers projected from satellites. They can fake an alien invasion, and by projecting lasers and other space-based weapons in orbit already, attack anything on the ground and make it look like an alien invasion. In this way they can disarm the planet and take control. Just order all the nations to send their gold to a designated pick-up point and start enslaving and killing those who are not blond hair, blue eyes like they did in World War II.

Everything the Nazi German scientists built and put in orbit could be a trojan horse fitted with laser weapons, or whatever, which could be remotely controlled from anywhere unknown. The first target would be to take out any radar and tracking devices that would reveal where the weapons were being fired from. By blinding the governments they could fool them into believing the alien invasion hoax. All you would see is laser beams coming from outer space all over the world with fleets of 3D UFO holograms and mother ships hovering in the sky.

No one really knows what they did inside NASA since there were hundreds (maybe thousands with fake identification) of them and they headed and controlled the organization. These are Nazis people. They are not law abiding citizens. They were defeated in WWI, and WWII was all about revenge and getting back. The V-2 rocket made by Werner Van Braun (NASA's first director) was called V for Vengeance. He personally told American military leaders that "I lost the first two world wars, and I didn't come here to lose the third."

There is video evidence documenting what they were planning to do through NASA, "Control the world by controlling space." Being Nazis, they would not have wanted America to gain that control of space unless they were in control of America. That they achieved by infiltrating the OSS and later CIA with thousands of Nazi spies all over the world. Maybe fifty thousand or more escaped Germany.

Read the history people. This is all historical fact. Be worried.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

This is all historical fact.

and that is a texty-rant

I have heard of Camp Dora, where an estimated 60,000 people slaved and twenty-five to thirty percent of them died in the production of V-2 rockets -

And I have heard of Project Paperclip, the program which, in violation of U.S. law, about one hundred nazi rocket scientists were brought to the U.S. But von Braun never headed NASA. That's ridiculous.

There has been an ongoing and low key effort to discredit NASA since James Hansen came out on the issue of Global Warming.

You are either a grifter or a mark . . . which is to say

  • a fool in either case

The Lewis and Clark satellites of the small satellite technology initiative program were in part designed to study pollution.

Lewis spun out of control a few days after launch, while Clark was canceled due to budget overruns by the manufacturer. I think I recall seeing articles at the time indicating that the company had been bought and sold at least once during the course of initial production - which itself may be indicative, and when combined with the failure of Lewis clearly suggests:

  • corporate espionage.

And why? Perhaps because the Air Force is a major polluter . . .

[-] 2 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

The Coming 'ET Threat' Will Be A Lie From Duncan Roads nexusmagazine@optusnet.com.au 3-8-4

Hi Jeff -

I have attached below the startling testimony by Carol Rosin to the Project Disclosure (Steven Greer). Take note of the date, it is well before Sept 11, and subsequent events. It deals with the hidden agenda to weaponize space under cover of four bogus threats - specifically, a Russian threat (culminating in Star Wars); a terrorist/rogue nations threat (son of Star Wars); followed by an asteroid threat, and finally a hostile ET threat.

I am sure you are familiar with it, but given recent history I feel more people should consider this agenda as a likely candidate for one of the hidden reasons behind the 'war on terror' etc. I have already published it years ago, and mention it at any conference I speak at. I am always astonished at how few so-called UFO researchers have even heard of her, given that they all should have read all of the testimonies delivered to Greer's Disclosure Project.

Duncan Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine

Testimony of Dr Carol Rosin

December 2000

Dr Carol Rosin was the first woman corporate manager of Fairchild Industries and was spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun in the last years of his life. She founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space in Washington DC and has testified before Congress on many occasions about space based weapons. Von Braun revealed to Dr Rosin a plan to justify weapons in spaced based on hoaxing an extraterrestrial threat. She was also present at meetings in the '70s when the scenario for the Gulf War of the '90s was planned.

CR: Dr Carol Rosin SG: Dr Steven Greer

CR: My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company, Fairchild Industries.

I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number of companies, organizations, and government departments, even the intelligence community. I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missile, so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model for how to sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missile is yet another weapon system that we didn't need. I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author and have testified before Congress and the President's Commission on Space.

When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr Wernher Von Braun. We first met in early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more years to tell me about the game that was being played- that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the Earth from space and space itself. Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from Germany to come to this country and became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the last years of his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the alternatives that are available. As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those concepts and who the players were in this game. He gave me the responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the weaponization of outer space. When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this. What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us and control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons. The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it.

Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.

And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."

I think I was too naïve at that time to know the seriousness of the nature of the spin that was being put on the system. And now, the pieces are starting to fall into place. We are building a space-based weapons system on a premise that is a lie, a spin. Wernher Von Braun was trying to hint that to me back in the early 70's and right up until the moment when he died in 1977.

What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it until it was already up there and too late.

When Von Braun was dying in front of me, the very first day that I met him, he had tubes draining out of his side. He was tapping on the desk telling me, "You will come to Fairchild." I was a schoolteacher. He said, "You will come to Fairchild and you will be responsible for keeping weapons out of space." The way he said it with this intenseness in his eyes, and added that very first day, the first time I met him, that space-based weapons were a dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, untestable, unworkable idea.

The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial enemy card.

The intensity with which he said that, made me realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not tell me the details.

I am not sure that I would have absorbed them if he had told me the details or even believed him in 1974. But there was no question that that man knew and had a need to know, I found out later. There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher Von Braun knew about the extraterrestrial issue. He explained to me the reasons why weapons were going to be put into space, the enemies against whom we were going to build these weapons, and that all of that was a lie. He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final enemy against whom we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974.

The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too afraid to talk about.

Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about any of the details that he knew related to extraterrestrials except that one day extraterrestrials were going to be identified as an enemy against whom we are going to build an enormous space-based weapons system. Wernher Von Braun actually told me that the spin was a lie-that the premise for space-based weaponry, the reasons that were going to be given, the enemies that we were going to identify-were all based on a lie.

I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for about 26 years.

I have debated Generals and Congressional Representatives. I have testified before the Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify who the people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I know that they are all based on lies and greed.

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

To play the devil's advocate here, there are some possible motives for Van Braun (a Nazi German) to have been using Dr Rosin (a Jew, I assume) to further the Nazi agenda:

1: The Nazis wanted to undermine any possible competition in weaponizing space by having her promote peace in space, while they plow full steam into developing and deploying space weapons.

2: The Nazis made initial progress in the early days towards realizing their space ambitions for world domination, but somehow couldn't gain the upper hand by the time Van Braun was diagnosed with cancer. So instead of allowing the Americans to enjoy control over space, he leaked their plans through Rosin in frustration, which were likely drafted by Van Braun himself (the reason he was fearful to tell her everything, making this a sort of space wikileaks).

3. Van Braun was building up the drama for the eventual last scene of weapons for fighting real aliens. So it was necessary to create the belief in Dr Rosin that there were in fact aliens, but that they were peaceful. The real story is that there are not any (that Van Braun was aware of) and that the NASA space weapons secretly deployed through future secret shuttle missions (and there were some) and rocket launches, were planned to mimic hostile alien attacks on Earth. This makes Van Braun look like the good guy who said to trust aliens. But the aliens deceived us and attacked. Now let's fight back, etc. It is likely all just a ruse that Dr Rosin bought into.

Van Braun chose a woman with a Jewish name. That gave her credibility. Had she had a German name we could suspect something. But is Dr Rosin really Jewish? Or is she one of the German Nazi's kids who infiltrated through Paperclip and married a Jew, or simply was given a Jewish name along with her Nazi family to smuggle them into the US? Many such Nazis with "bleached and scrubbed" biographies and identities ended up working at Fairchild, along with Van Braun. That appears to have been the corporate HQ for these war criminals. I don't know her maiden name or how her family immigrated to America. Her background needs to be checked. She may be sincere and deceived or she may be a plant. Who else would Van Braun trust to represent him in public and found charities with? Not a Jew. I don't buy it. She has to have some Nazi connection.

This is Dr Rosin's website. She is very distinguished. http://www.peaceinspace.com

She is advocating UFOs and aliens. Her partner PAUL T. HELLYER was the guy who united Canada's defense forces into one. He is really playing the alien card, as well.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

there are no aliens

that is just another lie

told by actors on a stage

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

But I have yet to be able to identify who the people are. That is after tracking this issue for 26 years. I know that there are big secrets being kept and I know that it is time the public and decision-makers pay attention to the people who are now going to be disclosing the truth. Then we need to make some definite changes and build a system in space that will benefit every single person, and all of the animals, and the environment of this planet. The technology is there. The solutions to Earth's urgent and long-term potential problems are there. I have a feeling that once we start studying this extraterrestrial issue, all of the questions are going to be answered that I have had for 26 years.

But I have concluded that it is based on a few people making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is not about our essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each other and being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about using technology to solve problems and heal people in the planet. It isn't about that. It is about a few people who really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is.

I believe that this entire space-based weapons game is initiated right here in the United States of America. What I hope is that with this information that is being disclosed, the new administration will to do what is right. That is to transform the war game into a space game so that we use the technologies that are available not just as spin-offs of war technology, but as direct technological applications to build a cooperative space system that will benefit the entire world and that will allow us to communicate with the extraterrestrial cultures that are obviously out there.

Who would benefit from these space-based weapons? They are the people who work in that arena, people in the military, in industries, in universities and labs, in the intelligence community. This is not just in the United States but it is worldwide. This is a worldwide cooperative system. Wars are cooperative. Just as peace will be when it breaks out. But right now there are a lot of people benefiting.

This is what our economy has been based on in this country and spreading around the world-war. People suffer as a result. It is not fair. It never has been. People have screamed: "out of swords let us build plow shares, let's have peace and hold hands around the world," but it hasn't worked because too many people are benefiting. Not only are they benefiting financially, but from what my experience is there are people who actually believe that Armageddon should happen so we have to have these wars.

So, it is going from the pocketbook, to the religious right: some people actually believe that we have to have wars for these religious reasons. There are people who just love war. I have met warriors who just love to go to war. Then there are the good people, the soldiers, who just take orders. They have to feed their children and send them to college so they want to keep their jobs.

People in laboratories have told me that they don't want to work on these technologies for war but if they don't they won't get a paycheck. Who is going to pay them? But what I see is that there are not only dual uses for these technologies but there are many uses for the same technologies. We can build space hospitals, schools, hotels, laboratories, farms, industries. It may sound far out but if we don't do that we are going to build battle stations and weapons pointed down all of our throats and into space. Apparently we have been doing some of that already.

We have a choice now that can be made. We can all benefit-all of the people in the military industrial complex, in the intelligence community, in universities and labs, in the United States and all over the world-we can all benefit. We can just transform that industry so easily with just a decision based on our highest consciousness, our spirituality, and on the fact that we have no choice unless we all want to die. And we don't. So we can all benefit financially, spiritually, socially, psychologically; it is technologically and politically feasible to transform this game now and everybody will benefit.

In 1977, I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room. In that room were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified enemies. There were other more obscure names, names like Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then about terrorists, the potential terrorists. No one had ever talked about this before but this was the next stage after the Russians against whom we were going to build these space-based weapons. I stood up in this meeting and I said, "Excuse me, why are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know that they are not the enemy at this time?"

Well, they continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And they were talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons program that had yet to be identified. It wasn't called the Strategic Defense Initiative, at least. Not until 1983. This weapons system, then, had obviously been going on for some time and I didn't know anything about. So I stood up in this meeting in 1977 and said, "I would like to know why we are talking about space-based weapons against these enemies. I would like to know more about this. Would someone please tell me what this is about?" Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as though I hadn't said anything.

Suddenly, I stood up in the room and said, "If nobody can tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf when there is a certain amount of money in a budget so that you can create the next set of weapons systems that will be the beginning of the sell to the public about why we need space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation. And you will not hear from me again!"

And nobody said a word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it, on time.

SG: Who was at this meeting?

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

CR: The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit. These people play a revolving door game. They work as consultants, industry people, and/or military and intelligence people. They work in the industries and they revolve themselves through these doors and right into government positions.

I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in the space-based weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in the Gulf, stimulated, created, so that they could then sell the next phase of weapons to the public and the decision-makers. This war was going to be created so that they could dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of weapons. So I had to resign from that position. I could no longer work in that industry.

In about 1990 I was sitting in my living room looking at the money that had been spent on space-based weapons research and development programs and I realized that it had come to that number, about 25 billion dollars, and I said to my husband, "I am now going to stop everything. I am now going to stop and sit and watch CNN television and I am going to wait for the war to happen." My husband said, "Well, you have finally gone over the edge. You have flipped out." Friends said, "You have really gone too far this time. There is not going to be a war in the Gulf, nobody is talking about a war in the Gulf."

I said, "There is going to be a war in the Gulf. I am going to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf." And it happened right on schedule.

As part of the war game in the Gulf, we in the public were told that the United States was successful in shooting down Scud Missiles. We were rationalizing new budgets based on that success. In fact, we found out later, after the budgets were approved for the next phase of weapons, that it was a lie. We did not have successful shoot-downs the way we were told. It was all a lie, just to get more money put in the budget to make more weapons.

I was one of the first people to go independently to Russia when I heard that they had "killer satellites." [See the testimony of Dr Paul Czysz. SG]

When I went to Russia in the early 70's, I found out that they didn't have killer satellites, that it was a lie. In fact, the Russian leaders and people wanted peace. They wanted to cooperate with the United States and with the people of the world.

Another time I called Saddam Hussein when he was lighting his oil fields on fire. My husband was in the kitchen while I was making this phone call. I got a call back from his First Attaché with Saddam Hussein nearby and he asked, "Are you a reporter? Are you an agent?

Why do you want to know?"

I said, "No. I am just a citizen who helped to start the movement to prevent the weaponization of outer space and I have found that a lot of stories that I have been told about weapons systems and the enemies are not true. I wanted to find out what would satisfy Saddam Hussein so he would stop making these oil fields catch fire and stop antagonizing people." He said, "Well, nobody has ever asked him that question, what he wants."

So, when I hear that there is a possible threat of extraterrestrials-and I look at the history of thousands of years of possible ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest military-intelligence- industry people who have had experiences with UFO's, with crashes and landings, with live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial beings-I know it is a lie. And if I am ever told that these are enemies against whom we have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my own personal experience of having worked in the military industrial complex on weapons systems and military strategy, I am going to know it is a lie.

It is a lie.

Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the ET's] have not taken us away yet. We are still here after thousands of years of visits. If in fact they are still visiting us now and we have not been harmed then we have to look at this as something that is not a hostile occurrence.

It would be my hope and my intention to do everything I could to work with people who are working to communicate with and cooperate with these extraterrestrial beings. They are clearly not hostile. We are here. That is enough proof for me.

There is no limit to how people can choose to live on this planet. We have a chance to do that and I think that the window is closing rapidly. I don't think that we have much time in which to make that decision. We are too close in too many ways to having some horrible disaster happen, having some sort of war take place, whether it is from high technology or an exotic weapons system.

We need leadership and it has to start with the United States President and that is who we all have to reach. If you are international, if you are around the world, if you are in the United States of America, whether you are from any party, any belief system or religion- the United States Commander in Chief, the President of the United States is the person that needs to be reached.

We need to say that we want an ultimate, comprehensive, verifiable ban on all space-based weapons.


Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. Tel: 07 5442 9280; Fax: 07 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Apparently you weren't paying attention - even if half of what you are saying is true, Saddam was prodded to the first War in the Gulf on the basis of his own behavior

Asking him what he might want to get him to cease torching the well heads would have been senseless. The invasion had begun, the purpose to remove Iraqi military units from Kuwait, and once that coalition began to move nothing would stop it until Saddam's military units were once again back in Iraqi territory, or destroyed.

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Go on justifying.

Whatever Saddam was, doesn't change the facts. Maybe he should have been killed for other things, but certainly not for the false charges they manufactured.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Just stating the facts. The facts, as they were shortly after January 17, 1991, clearly indicate that any phone call to Saddam would be utterly superfluous - and anyone intelligent enough to predict that war was coming before the calls for an international coalition went far and wide would most certainly be smart enough to see that.

[-] 2 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

You are misinformed.

Paperclip involved at least 1500-2000 Nazis from a variety of disciplines. The 100 figure was likely what you heard about NASA and that ranges officially from 100-200.

From http://history.nasa.gov/sputnik/braun.html

Wernher von Braun (1912-1977)

Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) was one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration during the period between the 1930s and the 1970s. As a youth he became enamored with the possibilities of space exploration by reading the science fiction of Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, and from the science fact writings of Hermann Oberth, whose 1923 classic study, Die Rakete zu den Planetenräumen (By Rocket to Space), prompted young von Braun to master calculus and trigonometry so he could understand the physics of rocketry. From his teenage years, von Braun had held a keen interest in space flight, becoming involved in the German rocket society, Verein fur Raumschiffarht (VfR), as early as 1929. As a means of furthering his desire to build large and capable rockets, in 1932 he went to work for the German army to develop ballistic missiles. While engaged in this work, on 27 July 1934, von Braun received a Ph.D. in Physics from the University of Berlin.

Von Braun is well known as the leader of what has been called the "rocket team," which developed the V-2 ballistic missile for the Nazis during World War II. The V-2s were manufactured at a forced labor factory called Mittelwerk. Scholars are still reassessing his role in these controversial activities.

The brainchild of von Braun's rocket team operating at a secret laboratory at Peenemünde on the Baltic coast, the V-2 rocket was the immediate antecedent of those used in space exploration programs in the United States and the Soviet Union. A liquid propellant missile extending some 46 feet in length and weighing 27,000 pounds, the V-2 flew at speeds in excess of 3,500 miles per hour and delivered a 2,200 pound warhead to a target 500 miles away. First flown in October 1942, it was employed against targets in Europe beginning in September 1944. By the beginning of 1945, it was obvious to von Braun that Germany would not achieve victory against the Allies, and he began planning for the postwar era.

Before the Allied capture of the V-2 rocket complex, von Braun engineered the surrender of 500 of his top rocket scientists, along with plans and test vehicles, to the Americans. For fifteen years after World War II, von Braun would work with the United States army in the development of ballistic missiles. As part of a military operation called Project Paperclip, he and his "rocket team" were scooped up from defeated Germany and sent to America where they were installed at Fort Bliss, Texas. There they worked on rockets for the United States army, launching them at White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico. In 1950 von Braun's team moved to the Redstone Arsenal near Huntsville, Alabama, where they built the Army's Jupiter ballistic missile.

In 1960, his rocket development center transferred from the army to the newly established NASA and received a mandate to build the giant Saturn rockets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Accordingly, von Braun became director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle, the superbooster that would propel Americans to the Moon.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Von Braun also became one of the most prominent spokesmen of space exploration in the United States during the 1950s. In 1970, NASA leadership asked von Braun to move to Washington, DC, to head up the strategic planning effort for the agency. He left his home in Huntsville, Alabama, but after about two years he decided to retire from NASA and to go to work for Fairchild Industries of Germantown, Maryland. He died in Alexandria, Virginia, on 16 June 1977.

You write like you are on drugs.

[-] 2 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

Accordingly, von Braun became director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center

That's from NASA punk. He was the first director of the first NASA space flight center. Get an education.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

The way you had written the original you implied that he was the first director of the entire NASA space program - which he was not.

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

If you don't like to read GTFO and go to You Tube or You Boob.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I don't mind reading

I just don't like you

[-] 1 points by berrysimon (24) 1 year ago

You are right. You don't have any evidence. That is what makes us different. I do have facts. But you only want to discredit with your bull shit rants.

You are exposed. Better go for a new ID. Whatever you say is BS mixed with enough truth to gain some credibility. But BS is BS no matter how you mix it.

Defend Nazis, cloak the CIA, support war crimes, and good luck with your agenda from hell. We got you figured out.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20617) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

but I am going to go out as loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the ET's] have not taken us away yet. We are still here after thousands of years of visits. If in fact they are still visiting us now and we have not been harmed then we have to look at this as something that is not a hostile occurrence.

nice facts.

  1. I don't defend nazis - they were responsible for the deaths of about 75 million people throughout Europe. A few of them happened to be Americans.

  2. I don't cloak the CIA - in fact they don't need me for that at all. They are very good at that all on their own. I would point out that Valery Plame was a CIA agent, and personally, I regard her as an American Hero. She had the sack to tell the truth - and she got burned for it.

  3. I doubt if you could figure out which was was east at 5 am on a nice sunny summer morning . . .

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

yep, we go to with excuses and ulterior motives