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Forum Post: finally stated

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 30, 2012, 10:56 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Obama - on Meet the Press - states that both parties are NOT at fault for Washington gridlock
clearly states "his" 98% tax cut is centrist & the Rs are blocking

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[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Finally stated? (hahaha)

The current puppet in chief of the bought out Congress speaks....

All fall in line and believe the 100+ yrs of bullshit.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

We aren't talking about a tax cut. We are just talking about extending existing tax cuts. So just to get it straight, there are no tax cuts on the table. Just status quo, or tax increase. By, the way, there is an idealogical battle going on, and I am disgusted at the thought that the main argument is tax increases on the rich. Let's see some budget cuts, right now. As long as there is this mentality of continuing to raise taxes, then no one will care to talk about cuts.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

In order to finally emerge from the repub create world economic crash we must spend more stimulus and get more money to the middle class.

Forget the budget deficit/debt. It's bullshit.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

How about something more specific? Government funding for local projects with two or more companies in the area. Let the companies compete for the bid. It may be a nickle and dime method, but I have trouble in my addled mind thinking of how multi-billion dollar nationwide deals will get the job done without a lot of waste

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sure allow states to work with private corps to get people back toi work.

Maybe a public infrastructure bank that can be used for these projects.

That'll do it. Private corps, utilizing lending from low cost govt loans.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Would a public infrastructure bank be utilized perhaps with bonds bought by the public. 3-4% interest rate. States and localities would have to pay within a period of time like a private citizen, or get penalized.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Who knows. Whatever. Let's get it movin' already. We got bridges, roads, transmition upgrades, green tech projects and much much more.

Details are less important to me but whatever works. We gotta get people to work. The best deficit reduction plan is full employment and expanding tax base/revenue.

(if your still worried about deficit)

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Ok. Great. All we have to do is get me elected as President so I can ram this program down:) Just send cash to my PO Box.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Already lookin for money? Sorry you're corrupted. Next!

[-] 2 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

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[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 2 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

Thank you somebody. One practical exercise is alike to walking other peoples shoes(I have a pair) when thinking of other people figure that they represent everybody. Rather than labeling each other anybody can be somebody. Nobody can be anybody because everybody is somebody and a part of our society. We all aspire to do what we are here for.Let us see this light our nation for what it was intended to be Liberty.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am he as you are he as you are me And we are all together See how they run like pigs from a gun see how they fly I'm crying

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Small joke. I do not see the ideas mentioned above actually coming into reality with the crew in Washington now. Of course, you could run for president and I could manage your PAC

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No thanks. I inhaled far too much to successfully run. LOL.

And whether the infrastructure bank law gets past remains to be seen. Certainly the repubs have blocked it already, but I'm sure there will be another effort.

WE must agitate all pols to pass it. We MUST get people back to work.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

A corporate AMT of 20% on America's companys' annual of $7.8T would raise $1.56T.
subtract the $0.2 they already paid this would yield $1.36T extra PER YEAR.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This effort at tweaking the tax rates is welcome but woefully inadequate.

We must pressure all pols (Repubs would never go for it but) to increase wealthy tax rates (90% > $1Mil?), to add a 1/2% fin transaction tax, remove SS payroll cap. Living wage w/ cola, penalize outsourcing,

Etc.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Of course the Rs would not go for it - thats why we must replace them with pro 99% Ds

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I agree. At least enough. I think it will be 17 House seats we need in 22 mos.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Obama also says that the war in Afghanistan is to fight the Taliban when it is clearly for resources and war profiteers.

Both parties suck at different issues. And yes the republicans are at fault for the issue you mention.... but the solution presented by the D's is not a real solution.

We need to go beyond the democratic talking points. I'm thinking of going LEFT

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I am in favor of going as far LEFT as possible
on the federal level, voting for a third party or Lincoln or Buggs Bunny will all have the same result


Gore lost for many reasons but if Nader was not there, we would not have had 911 or the Iraq war etc etc etc etc
seems like a high price to pay for being "LEFT"


and the LEFT - including me - created havoc at the 1968 DNC -
we scared so many moderates - we got dicked

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You really think that after repealing Glass Steagall, passing Commodities Act, and signing NAFTA and GATT....that this pawn Gore wouldnt have taken the next step the establishment told him to?

haha...come one man....how long you gonna chase your own tail.

Not trying to be harsh, but this uber belief in the establishment has got to stop if anything is going to REALLY change. Not crumbs, radical change.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Gore lost because 10 million registered democrats voted for Bush. You can try and Blame Nader, but that is absolutely false to do so on any level. Other third party candidates just about collectively equaled Nader in Florida... but instead everyone would rather blame the creator of OSHA. The corporations grew tired of him. He was already banished after Reagan and he was turned into a pariah after Bush v Gore. It's bullshit.

You can blame democrats for their failure to elect their own guy, and you can blame republicans for the outcome of their terrible choice. Nader had nothing to do with 9/11. Don't forget to blame money buying politics and corruption being the main reason why Bush won.

The blame Nader theory is just party politics nonsense that shadows the real problems with the faux democracy in America

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So do you support the repub plan to protect the top 2% taxcuts?

That's what the thread is about y'know.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

If you're going to continue making assumptions about me, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't really care who Mr. Goldman Sachs blames.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What assumption are you referring to?

"Mr Goldman Sachs"?. Actually not a person, but a greedy selfish corp.

Perhaps this is part of your problem, you do know that corps are not people right?

I guess your silence on repub efforts to protect top 2% tax cuts says it all huh?.

You support the neocon, tea party position in these tax negotiations.?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

It's a new nickname I have for people who accepted money from Goldman Sachs and then voted to give them billions of dollars.

Mr. Goldman Sachs

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

An immature way to minimize, and simplify?

Who got 70% of wall st money this last election cycle. Who passed fin reform (however weak) who has obstructed and delayed it's implementation?

Who is committed to imposing more fin regs.?

"mr goldman sachs" indeed. You strengthen the 1% wall st oligarchs when you ignore these facts and weaken the only pols challenging the 1% wall st oligarchs.

replace pro 1% wall st conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You said as you minimize and simplify and try to exonerate Obama from the ways he's worked hand in hand with Wall Street.

Fact is he's accepted millions from banks and then voted to give them billions and refuses to question monetary policy giving trillions to banks

I can tell you about the 400 plus people in Congress that also support capitalism and refuse to question monetary policy that gives trillions to banks.

Yah Romney was a 1% bankster fraud. Fully agree with that.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're talkin about Fed QE mtg purchase now??????

You're all over the place. I thought the White house is not allowed to control the Fed. Still blame Obama? I thought the Fed started this program because traitorous repubs have continued to obstruct all jobs bills & all efforts to improve employment.

Isn't that what is happening?

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You didn't read my comment.

"I can tell you about the 400 plus people in Congress that also support capitalism and refuse to question monetary policy that gives trillions to banks."

Reforming monetary policy like in HR 2990 is a real jobs bill.

Are you defending the federal reserves policies of giving trillions to banks?

You think QE is creating jobs or lining CEO pockets?

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

HR 2990 is dead!!!!! Repubs smothered it to death your silence on that fact betrays your transparent partisanship!!

Fed policy of giving money to banks at almost no interest, and then borrowingit back at much higher interest is disgusting. Been goin on for decades. It is a practice that should end. I agitate all pols against this giveaway.

So I am against any benefit for the 1% wall st oligarchs, this program simply illustrates the extent of how much power the wall st banks have.

The answer is 1st money out of politics.

Support movetoamend.org. Then push for public, community banks.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

republicans and democrats did not sponsor it, and it never made it past committee.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Republicans control the committees in the House!!!! THEY killed it!

Your silence on that fact betrays your transparent partisanship!!!

At least the Dems (Kucinich) proposed it!!

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

do you know what it means to sponsor a bill?

or what it means to form a collaborative effort to get a bill pushed forward?

There was none.

And yes as you know, I am a huge supporter of Dennis Kucinich. And yes I know he is a democrat.

and again I blame both democrats and republicans for monetary policy. There was no push when they had a majority, and Kucinich was still there pushing legislature like HR 2990.

End of conversation.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Still no criticism of the repubs who failed to co sponsor the dem proposal, killed it in committee, and refused to allow a vote?

Well Fed actions are the realization of the PTB in our country. Their power is immense, breaking it will take years of slow progress, and setbacks. Our movement is only one year old and must be allowed to grow.

We must lift up any pol who challenges the 1% wall st PTB.

And of course we must replace all pro 1% wall st conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Normally the sponsorship process includes 1 from each party.

I KNOW THAT!!!!

So the Dems did their part and repubs failed. Where is your outrage!??

So once again as always your silence on the fact of that republican failure betrays your transparent partisanship.

Aaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! Smokin your sorry ass!!!

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

i think you're smoking crack.

There hasn't been monetary policy reform with democrat house majority nor has there been reform with republican house majority.

Neither party has a collective effort to reform monetary policy giving trillions to banks. Even the president thinks the current system is fine and doesn't need to be touched. Maybe that's why he and Bush both chose Ben Bernanke.