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Forum Post: Citi Bank's Jack Lew to Head Treasury

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 11, 2013, 2:23 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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"Failure of Epic Proportions": Treasury Nominee Jack Lew’s Pro-Bank, Austerity, Deregulation Legacy

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/11/failure_of_epic_proportions_treasury_nominee

Former bank regulator William Black and Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi join us to dissect the career of Jack Lew, President Obama’s pick to replace Treasury Secretary Timothy Geither.

Currently Obama’s chief of staff, Lew was an executive at Citigroup from 2006 to 2008 at the time of the financial crisis. Lew backed financial deregulation efforts while he headed the Office of Management and Budget under President Bill Clinton. During that time, Clinton and Congress enacted two key laws to deregulate Wall Street: the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

William Black, a white-collar criminologist and former senior financial regulator, is the author of "The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One." A contributing editor for Rolling Stone magazine, Taibbi is the author of "Griftopia: A Story of Bankers, Politicians, and the Most Audacious Power Grab in American History."

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[-] 8 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

How the new foreclosure deal spares banks from justice -

http://www.nationofchange.org/matt-taibbi-william-black-bailout-secrets-how-new-foreclosure-deal-spares-banks-justice-1358094229 .

Just when are Americans going to wake up? How long can this go on?

Thanks for a great post.Solidarity. Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street!

[-] 6 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Another great link. Would make an excellent forum post!

From the link "The robo-signing, that means what they were doing was lying systematically to the tune, typically, of the large places, of 10,000 times a month, so over 100,000 times a year, committing felonies that would lead to people being made homeless in America, in many cases. It’s just an astonishing aspect that nobody has gone to prison for all of this and that they gave them one of the largest grants of immunity you’ll ever see."

Lew is just a continuation of the bailout state from the Wall Street government.

[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Thanks for the news article. It was very interesting.

It seems to me that the reason AIG got bailed out was because Government Sacks would have been SOL on its MBSs, mortgage-backed securities.

The most rational explanation that i received, as to why the government bailed out the banks, is because they were worried about 401ks and other working class investments. But after reading this article and seeing exactly who got what, I am becoming convinced that Goldman Sacks' possible losses were probably the reason Treasury acted, and the concern over the little people's investments is just to give Henry Paulson and other ex Goldman Sacks government officials cover.

This theory of mine is a pretty cynical perspective, but I believe the government should address such perceived conflicts of interest. I mean, using the logic that the government uses to pick cabinet members and regulators means that they should be interviewing ex-convicts for police officer positions.

[-] 5 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Another fun fact about Lew the fraud

Lew oversaw a Citigroup unit that profited off the housing collapse and financial crisis - betting on the collapse of the housing makret just to turn profit while people lose their homes - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/jack-lew-obamas-omb-pick_n_645093.html

[-] 5 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

while phonies are praising Jack Lew the Citi Bank fraud, Bernie Sanders knows better

  • "We don't need a treasury secretary who thinks Wall Street deregulation was not responsible for the financial crisis." -Bernie Sanders
[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Jack Lew - The Inconvenient Truth -

http://www.nationofchange.org/inconvenient-truth-about-jack-lew-1358006473 -

'At a time when the Federal Reserve continues to purchase $40 billion each month of Wall Street’s toxic assets and provide the ever more concentrated financial conglomerates with interest free funds, the president dares brag that “We’ve put in place rules to prevent that kind of financial meltdown from ever happening again.” No, he hasn’t, and with Lew holding down the fort at Treasury, he won’t.'

Wall Street Is Occupying The USA! When are we going to wake up to this?

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

thanks for the great link!

Racketeering - accepts money from Citi Bank. Appoints Citi Bank to head the treasury.

From the link - "the taxpayer bailout did not interfere with Lew raking in more than $2 million in salary and bonuses in 2008"

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

Fraud and racketeering is the business model of choice on Wall Street -

http://www.nationofchange.org/two-new-fraud-deals-show-wall-street-s-washington-insiders-work-1358093834

http://www.nationofchange.org/matt-taibbi-william-black-bailout-secrets-how-new-foreclosure-deal-spares-banks-justice-1358094229

http://www.nationofchange.org/five-step-process-cheat-middle-class-worker-1358173777

I just twinkled you up from 0 & I know for a fact that beautifulworld's comment below was +5 a short while ago, so my question is - what's going on here? My guess is that the Corporations, Bankers and their stooges and shills are targeting this forum and for obvious reasons.

Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity!

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

yeah. Some days I post comments and within 2 seconds they are downvoted. I have stalkers on this forum apparently. I've noticed BW has the same problem too.

Thanks for the good words and the great links! You are a good ally on the forum!

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

It is very important that we have and exercise solidarity here because of the range of forces lined up against us, the American Citizens, The 99%.

http://www.nationofchange.org/short-sad-life-greedaholics-anonymous-1358093599

Solidarity & a twinkle :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx & TWEETED :

Truth About Jack Lew | NationofChange http://www.nationofchange.org/inconvenient-truth-about-jack-lew-1358006473 via @nationofchange HOW DO WE GET HEALTHY - Leave the ILLNESS in charge?

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

The 'Truth About Jack Lew' is a worthy tweet! Never Give Up Tweeting! Occupy The New Media Stuff!

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Communications are essential - spread/circulate/forward any good information/articles/programs etc

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

wall streets wants us to believe wall street is responsible for the crisis

the belief fools the people into letting wall street be in control

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

wait what are you saying here exactly? Is there a typo?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

yep

letting wall street be in control (was wall street is responsible)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GR8 quote.

[-] 4 points by toobighasfailed (117) 1 year ago

Love the Taibbi/Black takedown of Lew. What scares me most about Lew is his ties to Robert Rubin:

http://www.switchyourbank.org/jack_lew_robert_rubin

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

definitely plays a factor.

thanks for the link.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

President Obama has turned into a Thug. He is providing Sanctuary to the Enemy. Deprive the Enemy Sanctuary. #1 Disassemble the Two Party System #2 End Lobbying, Gift Giving, End Campaign Contributions over $5, no soft money, no PAC money, No Corporate gifts of any kind #3 Dismiss Congress for two years #4 Impeach Eric Holder #5 Demand Ben Bernanke & Tim Geithner Resign #6 National Referendum on Whether to Investigate and Prosecute Wall Street for 2008 Financial Crisis #7 End Drone Striker and End war in Afghanistan, bring most troops back from Japan, Korea & Germany maybe leave 10000 troops in each of these countries (no increase in Japan if they are already below 10K (They have Navy & Air Force on the main land and Marines, Army Navy, Air Force in Okinawa).

[+] -4 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

he always was a thug

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You are more right than wrong. i've been giving him advise on internet forums for 4 years now. He never made a single good move that comes to mind right now. And he never followed my advise either...lol

[+] -4 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

he listens to ( takes his orders from) valerie jarrett

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Wikipedia doesn't really say much about her. But we can infer that she is connected and likely part of the Chicago Polticial machine for Democrats. Looks like a smart executive, but not clear how that makes her a great fit for White house staff. Probably she is a big confidant as you are saying. Obama can have his Chief of Staff and other advisors and then bounce his concerns off his confidant.

I haven't really seen her name around much. Probably I have heard her name, but never knew she was a player. Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

[+] -4 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

wikipedia is not a reliable source ,anyone can write anything in it. jarrett runs the show, obama is front man.

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

I see Jarrett has some financial connects, but why would she make a deal with the TBTF Banks, and the Military to keep George Bush Wars and aggressive actions going. I mean Obama/Jarrett is Right of Center, they are not moderates at all. They are RIght of where many Republicans are.

I guess I get it. Jarrett is following the Clinton relationships with corporations and banks. We got Military Investment to stimulate the economy under Ronald Reagan ... that spending continued under CLinton, Increased to the moon under Bush II, then has climbed under Obama.... It is really just a straight line linear progression from Ron Reagan.... That must be Jarrett then.

[+] -6 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

barry and valjar are far left of center.

[-] 2 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

You mean they let another fox in the hen house.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

They let another Bull in the China shop

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Thanks, Obama. You're swell.

WTF were you thinking?

[-] 5 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Just fulfilling his end of the bargain from accepting all those campaign contributions. If Romney won, it would have probably been some exec from BOA or JP Morgan, he was also funded by Citi so who knows, maybe he would have chose the same guy. That's what you can expect from the 2 factions of the corporate state funded by big banks.

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

He was thinking that he has to obey his masters.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No thinking involved - just continued STINKING.

The public needs to stand-up and voice it's outrage at such negative appointments.

People - STAND-UP - SPEAK-OUT

And - Support - Move To Amend and all like issues.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Unbelievable. This is why I call for a change to the whole thing! We will never get out from under the grip of these banks and corporations without radical change.

And, why did this thread float down the bubble. Isn't this exactly why we Occupy Wall Street?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I found changing the title helped get some responses. Made Citi Bank the first word and shortened it. More attention grabbing.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Good idea, sometimes just the wording makes all the difference.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Could be people are tired of trevor's constant whining about Obama, could be people don't want to agree with Trump.

[-] 6 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Could be that you're a fucking hack along with 2 other people on this forum that constantly blame liberal organizations. You troll anyone who doesn't support your agenda of supporting people funded by Wall Street simply due to party association.

You do know Jack Lew is a fraud right? He profited directly from the collapse of the housing market, he actually bet in hopes it would collapse.

Did you even read what this post is about?

You should go see what Bernie Sanders has to say about Jack Lew the Citi Bank Wall Street fraud.

Bernie Sanders Slams Jack Lew, Obama's Would-Be Treasury Secretary - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamespoulos/2013/01/10/bernie-sanders-slams-jack-lew-obamas-would-be-treasury-secretary/

Virtually all of his key economic advisers have come from Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We should take BW advise, and discuss these issues without the "anger filled" rants.

No need for the obscene hostility.

We should work hard to find common ground.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

says the troll who constantly trolls me.

You are one of the 3 hacks on this forum that I'm talking about. I tried to be civil with you for about 3 months on this forum, but your constant push of propaganda and insults have lead me to have ZERO respect for you.

Trying to associate me with Trump... you hacks are a joke.

[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's sad but the hacks have driven out most of the serious thinkers. This forum's not what it used to be.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We should take BW advise and put "aside our egos", put aside the "anger filled" rants, No need for hostility, no need for the name calling.

DKA once told me that you and I agree on most things.

I think he is right. In fact I mainly only get viciously attacked by you when I include repub as guilty parties on the various issues that you and I otherwise agree on.

Why are so angry? We're just having discussions. Do you find that anger overwhelms you when others disagree or challenge your opinion?

Y'know disagreement is ok. But we can work towards agreement and coming together if you can put aside your ego and the anger filled obscene name calling.

Let me try.

Lew is a poor choice for Secr of Treasury. See how's that?

[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

It is extremely unfair for posters who come here with pro-Democratic Party and pro-Obama messages to attack and question the motives of occupiers who are actually more in line with this movement. Occupy Wall Street is a social movement that seeks revolutionary change outside the current political and economic structure. I have no problem with you and factsrfun or whoever, saying what you want to say, and have even defended your right to do so in the past but I do have a problem when you attack people who are seeking broader change, and when it is insinuated that they are somehow conservative and pro-Republican. That is extremely unfair, uncool, and unproductive because though we may disagree on some things, we agree on far more and should unite so that we can effectuate change. We should really all try to come together, as hard as that is because, really, our nation is going to pot.

[-] 10 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

WTF is going on here ?! I follow a +5 comment from BCT to come here and find the comment at 0 !!

I say an attack on the 'beautifulworld' is an attack on us all !!! Keep Doing What You Do & Solidarity.

pax et lux ; nunc et semper

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

BW never said anything mean to anybody.

That ain't right.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hell, let's be "mean" to the 0.01% !!! They don't give two shits for The 99%, so fuk 'em !!

THAT is the reason that 'THEY' go for 'bw' - the cool, clear, concise - love, light & logic !

Again - "I say an attack on the 'beautifulworld' is an attack on us all" -ergo SOLIDARITY

amor, lux et iudicium ...

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'll up vote all BW comments for a while to make up for it.........:)

Voting is my right and I do exercise it.

[-] 8 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"All" may be excessive but we should twinkle judiciously and do so as any good, sound and substantive comment deserves, but we can try to keep an eye out and 'watch her six', I think. Solidarity@US ALL !!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If I miss something, PM me, I'll be happy to help..........:)

[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Main thing ( not votes or scores ) is supporting each other - all supporters of a better world for ALL.

[-] -3 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Thanks, shooz, you are too sweet. We need to all be vigilant in supporting each other, because, ultimately, they are out for all of us. Never give up!

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No problem, you've taught me to hold back my reins when I get carried away sometimes.

I'm just returning a favor.............................:)

Too many nice people don't come around here anymore and I don't want to lose another.

[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Solidarity, shooz. We learn from each other, and I don't want to lose anymore people either.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Truth & Agree - never give up. OH - and I suppose shooz is sweet - I Trust your judgement on that.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Too funny. :) And, right, never give up!

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

{;-])

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wonder if we are undergoing a silent vote down sock puppet attack. Not that it matters really - I just noticed that I took a sudden drop from 24,500 something. Think we may be irritating the shills a little today?

Anyone else notice a sudden drop?

Really is funny as it makes no real difference - except for removing a good comment from the best comment board - and even that is no big thing.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I get attacked all the time, but I do try and stir things up from time to time and I'm not known for taking a lot of shit............:)

So I do kind of invite such things,

An attack on BW is just out of line though.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - I can be a bit provocating as well - but not - NOT - BW.

I can only surmise that she is attacked because she is a consistent voice for unification. Shills don't like that.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

They sure don't :)

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Well, hopefully they've been watching our reaction and have decided to back off, at least for now..

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

BW has attacked me several times, here's one

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-do-you-think-of-the-green-party-and-movetoame/#comment-913202

tell BW that it's a LIE that there is no (or too little) difference between the two parties and see how nice she is.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

C'mon facts, I checked and although she didn't agree with you, she wasn't mean about it, just adamant about her belief, as you were about yours.

Perhaps we could use a thread on the subject to hash it out?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

BW's addenda seems to be building the Green party I think that's a big reason we're in this mess, it's easy to see this if you look... many here in hopes of building the Greens or some other political party, and they care more about building their parties than making things better that's why they diminish the defeat of Republicans and pretend that accomplishes nothing, something BW came into a thread to be sure to say, because that doesn't help their true goal building a political party, some just hate it more than others when you tell the truth about them, it's not that I don't understand what they are doing I just feel they are as of right now the biggest threat to OWS , so yeah when I see direct threats to goals of OWS I speak out.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The Greens are hardly the biggest threat to OWS.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

as an organization I think it is, the goals of course are something different unless of course you think that OWS might help achieve those goals, but I see the infection of the First Lie you know the one that they all take money from Wall Street so....that's the hook soon the Greens have you and the GOP has the White House, no thanks....

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Divide and conquer is very powerful...

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

This is why I've always said look and act local.

We've been getting played on the national level, while ALEC buys up every state in the union.

It's the States where the REAL differences are obvious.

It's the States where moving forward becomes possible.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Bush and Kerry both funded by Wall Street and corporations

Obama and McCain both funded by Wall Street and corporations

Romney and Obama both funded by Wall Street and corporations.

It's not a lie. It's the fucking truth. Money in politics has corrupted the government to pursue a corporatist 1% agenda.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

2 factions of the corporate state - Noam Chomsky

You ever read Manufacturing Consent?

Goldman Sachs gave money to Bush. Sachs' Henry Paulson became Treasury Sec. Citi Bank gave money to Obama. Citi's Jack Lew becomes Treasury Sec. 2 factions of the corporate state. Both Lew and Paulson support the bailout state, deregulation, and austerity.

Sanders' points it out best - Almost all the key economic advisers are Wall Street.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you hide lies in truth,

and besmirch Chomsky in the process, he would never have the problem seeing the evil that is the GOP that you do.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Where have I lied on this forum post?

Were't you the person defending Jack Lew the citi bank fraud who preaches austerity and wall street deregulation?

You constantly try to rewrite history.

The GOP is the right hand of Wall Street and the democrats are the left hand of Wall Street. Both are the 2 factions of the corporate state. Voting records, campaign contributions and position appointments prove this to be true.

Afghanistan is a war of imperialism going on 16 years by the end of these 2 presidencies. They're not leaving in 2014.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Anyone who supports Jack Lew, or anyone that backs Jack Lew, needs to realize they are supporting the machine.

Support politicians that take corporate bribes? You are part of the problem.

Support politicians that accept bribes from ALEC members? You are part of the problem.

Basically either stand on your own two feet and start building something that represents us, or get in the way and slow things down.

The more corrupt these two parties become, the more the older generation seems to be digging in their heels. I just dont understand it.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

People funded by Wall Street are not here to save us from Wall Street. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

didn't catch the link

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

you rolled this post with some bullshit spin propaganda where you tried to equate some bullshit that Donald Trump said to the knowledge and expertise of 2 of the biggest critics of Wall Street, Matt Taibbi and William Black.

By trying to negate what was said by these guys, you were trying to establish credibility with Jack Lew, because of your party politics. Which is ridiculous because Lew is a fraud who supports austerity and preaches deregulation. Just ask one of the people you claim to like, Bernie Sanders. Call his office. (202) 224-5141 - ask why Jack Lew is a fraud.

You're at the link. This is the post you were doing it in.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and that rates as "constantly" for you? I guess that your version of truth, so I can see where we have problems agreeing, but yeah I just see you spouting your typical Obama hating and react, maybe that was off subject, but hey look what it did for your comment count.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

please link me to that defense of Lew, or are you lying about me now?

I did point out that Trump doesn't like him other than that I've said nothing, I gave my pick months ago, but you were too busy slamming Obama to read it I suppose.

I can't speak to other people's ability to read and think, but to me your intent is clear, you want to make sure that OWS does not awaken people to the fact that the 1% and the GOP have driven wages down along with many other issues.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Read your comments all over this forum post where your intention is trying to make him seem credible while at the same time insulting me all while you refuse to acknowledge the facts and terrible history of Lew.

Obama is a terrible president who represents a faction of Wall Street. Of course I bash on him. Calling Bush a warmonger and staying silent during this president would be hypocritical. I don't participate in blind party allegiance. The past presidents have been picked by Wall Street and corporate money in politics. You know those 2 guys that make it to the top 2 every year? Yeah they're both funded by Wall Street and corporations.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

correct she is a unifier not a divider.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

There's no point in attacking BW over some idiotic appointment.

I didn't figure he'd pick anybody good or anything. It's not like Krugman really had a chance, let alone Mitchell so I didn't bother to post here.

I can't wait to talk to my realtor buddy, he HATES Citibank and I'm sure he'll have some interesting comments.

As of now I guess I'll wait and see what decisions he makes.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

appointments can always be taken away. Let us hope for the public to be aware and stand-up as needed as we move forward.

The education outreach awakening continue.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It would be funny if the SEC indicts him.

Probably just dreaming though.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Would be so good and truly funny to see that. SEC stands-up and slaps down one of the criminals - so cool would that be - fuck your appointment asshole U can not be put in charge.

Nice Dreams.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Forums often devolve into messes.

Familiarity breeds contempt, unfortunately.

BW is clearly too rational for the shill elements that a board always seems to attract.

Keep the big picture in the mind's eye, and ignore those who are here for personal aggrandisement only.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Ditto & re. "the big picture" :

Onyer 'B', 'bw', 'DKAt' et al & Solidarity :-)

fiat lux ...

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - stay the course - you are attacked when you are being good for the cause. Like having very nasty cheerleaders.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Thanks, Shadz, for your solidarity and support. Look, it's back up to 4 points, lol. You guys are all awesome!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Anytime + re. Jack Lew & the original subject matter of this forum-post :

Glad that some order has been restored & that your comment above is now not at 0 at least & re. Jack Lew - plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, n'est pas ?!

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

"We have an even more dangerously concentrated, politically even more powerful, still highly corrupt, unproductive financial sector; a clear message sent that even a horrific crisis caused by massive criminality yields no punishment whatsoever; insufficient, weak regulatory laws and institutions; an administration largely managed by people who were, and remain, part of the problem; a massively corrupt political system in which opaque, uncontrolled contributions yielded a $3bn presidential election; and even greater economic inequality than when Obama and Geithner took office....

....And now we will have Jack Lew. What can we expect of him? I refer you to The Who's lyrics."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

Thanks Shadz for all the great links and information you always provide. Solidarity to you!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Won't Get Fooled Again" ?! Or will we ?!! Sadly, The Corporate MSM will do their best to make sure that that is exactly what happens in American minds !!! Damn fine tune tho' which I hadn't heard for some time & further to the above links, two more :

All we can do is try to keep shining 'a light out of the darkness' & solidarity bw.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

From the article, "Not only was Lew the architect of two failed budgets, but he was the point man in the White House for its campaign of financial deception."

After reading the wiki page I am really scratching my head as to why and how this guy has been chosen for Treasury Secretary. Obviously, there is a benefit to TPTB to have attorneys in positions such as this one so we shouldn't be surprised.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Jack Lew is a Banxter's Stooge & for The Parasites that'll do !

We need an economy that worx for many - NOT just The Few !!

We must Occupy Wall Street & Never Give Up, whatever we do !!!

exitus acta probat ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

"A Little Book of Ideas" is an awesome way to educate about complex economic ideas. Excellent work by Occupy London. Thanks.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

I saw that too. Hmmm. Divide and conquer is the aim.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - and try to smother any voice of sanity and reason - You Go Girl.

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I think the point is - We All Need To Get Going !!!

No Truck With 0.01% Parasites !!

Resistance Is Fertile !

fiat justitia ...

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Down with the enemies of all of humanity and the world.

Peace Health Prosperity Fellowship - For ALL.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Could you copy the permalink on that comment and send it in with what you noticed about the score to the abuse address? Maybe copy jart directly with the notice too?

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I believe that attackers see BW as too much of a unifying spirit - with all of the positive votes she gets she should have the top karma score.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

The moniker says it all & the words and wisdom of 'bw' consistently threaten The Scum Sucking Parasitic 0.01%, their supine lap dogs in the 1% & the NRA, Tea-Potties & ALEC/Koch Suckers !!!

What the flying fuck are we really doing here if we can not stoutly defend the best amongst us ?!!

Solidarity @ The 99% as we 'struggleforfreedom' and await 'therising' towards a 'beautifulworld' !

per ardua ad astra ...

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

SOLIDARITY - keep-on keeping-on BW.

[+] -6 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Thanks, DKA, for those very kind words. It's really not about me, though. It's about this movement which, as you know, is a big threat to a lot of people.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

But it is about you & the movement ( as well as all true supporters of the movements for humanity and a better world for all ) as you are a voice of reason.

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

I defer to the masses, but thanks. :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thank you - modest/humble/positive - BW

[-] 4 points by Renneye (4004) 1 year ago

Hang in there, 'beautifulworld'! The point theif will eventually get tired and move on.

The good thing is, their voting you down is having the opposite effect and bringing much attention to your work. Looks good on 'em!!

I support your work 'bw'. I'm not here so much any more, but when I am...I'll vote you up!

I know you will not let them hinder your work here. As my mom told me many times..."This too shall pass".

You are a shining star here 'bw'! Here's something I hope will make you smile, as it did me...

Playing For Change: United ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vT_7AX06UQ

[+] -4 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Thanks, Renneye. It's more the message than the points that I worry about. We all need to support one another here because we are under attack. The movement is threatening to a lot of people.

Thanks for the wonderful song, so inspiring and smile inducing. I hope you can find the time to post again, Renneye.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (4004) 1 year ago

Thanks & my absolute pleasure 'bw'! Yes, your message is very important...and you sure have someone out there very worried about it, which can only be good for OWS.

I think the 'Community' response here to the attack on your work is tantamount to a bucket of cold water on the culprit! The Message..."we can not and will not be divided!" Steady on 'bw'!!

[+] -5 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

You too, Renneye. Never give up. Solidarity!

[-] 2 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

Thank goodness something healing is happening. The difficulty could be due to the things mentioned and are far from the reason this social movement is happening. Together working and seeing to change is a pleasure when those participating are working with you. Because many have been working other than happy kind people do. Lovin' you ALL ONE WE...

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cool. I agree we should come together. I want to leave egos aside, I would love to have respectful debate. I can even work on limiting partisanship.

Perhaps it would please you to know that I am more disappointed with dems because I believe it is always some dems who betray progressive principles, cave in and support the pro 1% conservative policies that I see as the center of ALL our problems.

Republicans have always proudly pushed those policies so I am not as disappointed with them.

As I discuss the issue that affect the 99% and I see criticism of one party it behooves me to add the fact that the other party is more guilty (IMHO)

And although I am not most comfortable stating who is more in line with Occupy I can say honestly that the vast majority of people I have met in NYC at Zuccotti, marches, meetings, etc have been progressive leaning.

All the issues that occupy has taken lean left as well.

In any event regardless of who is more in line with Occupy. I believe we must replace pro 1% conservative (of both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

As we discuss the issues I will always make sure we never forget that 1 party is far worse than the other. 1 proudly pushes anti 99% laws. The other is simply weak.

1 party has fought for the 99% (and failed mostly) and can be strengthened by the people to serve the 99%.

Our best hope is expanding the congressional progressive caucus that includes NO repubs.

Can we come together? I don't know. But I will try to remain honest, respectful and steadfast in my defense of the 99%.

Peace.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Peace to you, too, and to everyone on the forum.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank you. I never down vote you, & frequently upvote you. I enjoy your comments frequently as well.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

I have a good idea who has been voting me down, but I don't care about my points, I care about the message. I often agree with you and though we disagree on some things, I pretty much disagree with everyone on some things! I've only met one person in my whole entire life that I pretty much agree with on everything! So, time for us all to come together because our country is falling apart.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I saw your comment about agreeing with only one person. I took to heart the request to put aside our egos, & anger.

I would love to see that. I am going to double down and make another effort to debate respectfully.

Thanks for the motivation.

[-] -2 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

Awesome! Thanks.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My preference is discussing issues that affect the 99% honestly, & respectfully. I do not prefer discussing personal issues or attacks.

I don't think it is too much to ask.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tell it like it is BW - tell it like it is. Thanks.

[-] -3 points by beautifulworld (21543) 1 year ago

It's worth a try. :)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is what we are here for - addressing the needs to reaching a better healthier society/world for all.

[+] -5 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

however we disagree on the most important thing of all, strongly, I do not believe we can build the movement on a lie you do, that lie of course being that there is no great difference between the GOP and the Dems, you need this lie to help build your political party (the Greens, I think), I oppose OWS endorsing or quietly sitting by and allow lies to be spread for political purpose.

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

OWS has nada, zero, zilch or zip to do with The GOP OR The Dems !!!

OWS endorses no party but in the opinion of many here and elsewhere, The Greens come very close to OWS' goals and ambitions. Maybe a lifetime of being subject to Duopolistic Programming means some OWSers and other Americans, sadly just can not seem to see out of this dark box which The Corporate MSM has created for them - and perhaps that is the deep & unstated intention, in order to 'Manufacture Consent' for the illusions of democracy inside The Corporate Military Imperial State. Just sayin' and ...

e tenebris lux ...

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Well said. Very well said.

You know. . . I think we're closer than we think to beating this dilemma and kicking this revolution into hi gear. . . http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/are-you-as-pissed-off-as-i-am-tired-of-the-stagnat/

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Thanx for the great link & fyi : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33632.htm ! pax et lux ...

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Excellent article. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"The Incredible Debt Spider ; It's Time to End the Private Fed", by Rand Clifford :

Copied to you again here because it also sits very well on this important thread.

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Interesting how backing the Greens is a lie, eh? Im not even sure if that makes sense.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Brilliantly stated!!!

Thanks for this comment!

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

What Jack Lew won't do ; 'FINANCIAL REFORM' , 10 Points :

  • Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

  • Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

  • End bailouts for the financial elite and use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off.

  • Bring monetary policy under democratic control by prohibiting private banks from creating money, thus restoring government's Constitutional authority.

  • Let pension funds be managed by boards controlled by workers, not corporate managers.

  • Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges.

  • Require banks to use honest bookkeeping so that toxic assets cannot be hidden or sold to unsuspecting persons.

  • Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks.

  • Democratize monetary policy to bring about public control of the money supply and credit creation. This means nationalizing the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and placing them under a Federal Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department.

  • Establish federal, state, and municipal publicly-owned banks that function as non-profit utilities and focus on helping people, not enriching themselves.

From : http://www.jillstein.org/issues & solidarity TM.

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

That's why THEY demonize political liberals and try to turn them into pariahs.

The ruling elite have shown their hand. It's only a matter of time before they lose power. The wisdom of occupy will sink in as more and more people become disenfranchised and tossed to the side for capitalism and the ruling elite.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Hit The Bankers Where It Hurts - My Advice to the Occupy Wall Street Protesters", by Matt Taibbi ; http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/13-4?print :

  1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

  2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

  3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

  4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

  5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

The clock is ticking on The 0.01% Banksters & 'the ruling elite' [aka Parasites] and I agree with you that the "wisdom of occupy will sink in as more and more people become disenfranchised and tossed to the side".

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

please make this a forum post! Even if you already have.

They tax my sales, they should tax stock trades

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I'll consider doing as you suggest but in the meantime :

Of course trades should be taxed - everything else is !!! The Banksters resist because any 'accounting' would show up their High-Frequency Trading Algorithms as BS & all their other parasitic, market-rigging practices !! They're truly The Utter Scum Of The Earth ! Solidarity Trev & good luck with your enterprise.

e tenebris, lux ...

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hard times can make one sit up and pay attention.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Really cool

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you know I think you might be right OWS may just be a front for the Greens trying to trick decent folks into thinking there were people trying to address wealth equality, but really just a bunch of ego whores wanting their own party, will that's how we ended up with Bush and burnt the planet, so if somebody asks me about the goal of OWS how I have an answer, thanks. .

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

See past your Dem-addiction !! The Dem Party Machine and it's figurehead politicians and functionaries are really conservatives and much further to 'the right' of most decent Dem voters on whose loyalty they rely & fyi frf :

I think maybe you need to reacquaint with real reasoned radicalism.

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

As the polls close like a casket on truth devoured, a silent play in the shadow of power. A spectacle monopolized, the camera's eyes on choice disguised.

Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil? Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil? Yes a spectacle monopolized. They hold the reins and stole your eyes. Or the fistagons, the bullets and bombs who stuff the banks, who staff the party ranks.

More for Gore or the son of a drug lord? None of the above! Fuck it! Cut the cord!

  • Rage Against the Machine
[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Your propaganda on this forum and constant assault on radicals that wish to pursue a system outside of the corporate control is beyond outrageous.

We ended up with Bush because year after year people bow down to party allegiance and propaganda instead of taking out the corporate control.

The people funded by Wall Street are not here to save you from Wall Street.

To you I say this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_c7SbkGaLk

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Accusing me of being like Donald Trump or being a right wing extremists is not a discussion. It's a troll assault. And you and Factsrfun have done this for countless months. You've even accused me of being a Gaddafi Loyalist for opposing the war in Libya.

You got months of progress to make up. Prove yourself. One post doesn't change anything.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I reject your scurrilous, unfounded accusation against my good character.

I strive for respect in all my comments as I fight for the 99% against the forces of evil pro 1% conservatives.

I have never accused you of being a Khadaffy loyalist.

In any event clearly YOU are the one who is engaging in the egotistical, anger filled, obscenity laced name calling. Not me. Put that negativity aside. You have to be better than that. I know you can do it. You have all my confidence.

What about the olive branch that Jack Lew is a poor nominee?

No good.?

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

and you're back to the trolling.

It was only a few days ago when the top comment on the forum was me asking you to "stop trolling me" because you were harassing me all over different forum posts.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

It seems a need to keep better track of names. This is not a quick drop in and comment place and I do apologize if offended you in responding to what was happening. Hats off to you and the strides made for make this forum brighter. Some of the comments just really drag on and sound so typically impersonal. Just lame tactics. I just figure you got sincerity or you receive compensation but you have not both Sincere in Solidarity

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you put much importance on the top comments? I don't. It's based on the karma points which are so easily manipulated.

It is more important to be honest, respectful, and steadfast in support of the positions that benefit the 99%.

But congratulations on being on the top comments list. In fact you had another one earlier.

But your still stuck in the egotistical, anger filled, obscene name calling. So you lose on the respect side, You also remain silent on the most guilty (repubs) on all the various issues that affect the 99%, so you lose on the honesty side.

Good luck on all your good efforts.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

and you're back to the trolling again

I'm pointing out the top comment because obviously lots of other people agree that is what you do here because you've done it to them and others all over this forum.

You're doing it now.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are responding. I noticed your trolling of Factsrfun 8 hour old comments earlier today.

I ain't doing that. You made a comment I contributed. That is allowed, it ain't trolling. What you were doing to FRF was trolling.

And you are responding which also eliminates the trolling accusation. Do you understand the concept.?

And the meaningless "top comments" based on the equally meaningless and easily manipulated karma points is too silly to consider.

I have no care for the numbers or the top comments. I'm not so shallow and immature. I don't think you are either.

The important thing is honesty, respect, and fighting for the 99%.

Surely we can agree on that.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You remind me of the Nothing in the NeverEnding Story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG-lsrXKRM

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You appear to live in a state of denial in some respects - like honesty - and owning up to things you did and continue to do.

No don't bother responding.

I am done with talking "at" you ( at - because you do not listen or consider what has been given to you ) for today.

I suggest you consider all that has been said in all of the times that I or anyone else has tried to reason with you.

[Removed]

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Truth

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

See - not trying to be hostile here VQ - but you do deny things that you have done in the past and continue doing today. You have in the past attacked those you do not agree with as being enemies of the people - if you later change your mind on something - you act as though you did nothing wrong ( denying jarts placement of the cone of shame on you being 1 very notable example ) take heed of Trevor's last sentence =

  • You got months of progress to make up. Prove yourself. One post doesn't change anything.
[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I do not recognize the great Trevor as any authority I must heed. His comments today, TODAY! are egotistical, anger filled, and obscenity laced name calling.

I would never heed that sort of disrespectful person. Who you associate with & defend is your business.

My mistakes pale in comparison to most. I have nothing to atone for. No one here is my judge. As always I strive to be honest, respectful, and steadfast in my efforts to fight for the 99%.

Furthermore I have not denied any actions by the moderators. I simply refuse to discuss them. Why should I? It's done. In the past. That slap on the wrist was nothing compared to what has been imposed upon those I have clashed with.

Most recently the moderators have taken my side in these continuing battles.

All irrelevant. I am honest, respectful, and steadfast. I will remain so. If we all do so we MAY come together. Or Trev will continue the egotistical, anger filled obscenities, and you will continue defending him.

Makes no difference to me. I will take it as it comes.

Peace. Thanks for your honest criticism.

[-] 3 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"I do not recognize the great Trevor as any authority I must heed. His comments today, TODAY! are egotistical, anger filled, and obscenity laced name calling."

Lol....VQ - i'll tip my hat to you in the exaggeration department.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It is what it is. No exaggeration. I'm trying hard to remain respectful and he is obviously unable to.

You also have no problem with that?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - on an aside?

I have seen where comments that you have made ( ones you didn't later delete yourself ) have been removed - Removed means it was a moderator - so don't be wrapped up in some fantasy that the moderators agree with some of your shit - just take it as a moderator will defend individuals from time to time for what looks like a gang attack.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

See and there you go - you offer an olive branch to Trevor and you wonder why he does not believe that you have any sincerity =

I do not recognize the great Trevor as any authority I must heed. His comments today, TODAY! are egotistical, anger filled, and obscenity laced name calling.

I would never heed that sort of disrespectful person. Who you associate with & defend is your business.

Yep your a regular saint - lol :

All irrelevant. I am honest, respectful, and steadfast. I will remain so. If we all do so we MAY come together. Or Trev will continue the egotistical, anger filled obscenities, and you will continue defending him.

And here is an insight to your real attitude:

All irrelevant.

Peace - you should give the criticism you receive your attention - rather then give those who offer it to you - your lip service.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't understand. Trevors comments today were egotistical, anger filled, and obscenity based name calling.

Are we not allowed to tell the king he has no clothes?

There is nothing wrong with honestly pointing out those serious problems in interaction.

You fail to "honestly criticize" him for that but you criticize me for pointing it out.

What is that a joke.?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummmm you really have a problem with perception if you honestly believe what you just said.

Bu-Bye for now - consider what people have consistently told you and which you outright deny or admit to at 1st only to deny later.

Done talking to you ( um - AT you ) for today.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Help! Help! I've fallen and I can't get up! LOL.

Why don't you just send a PM? Or an email to the abuse center. Are you trying to scare me?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Should I send a PM? I kinda like this to be an open request on the forum.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

My relationship with the mods is my business. I do not flaunt it, nor do I abuse that relationship. In addition I rarely report people. If ever, it is because of disrespectful obscenity laced attacks.

But that is my business and unrelated to any issues that might benefit the 99%.

In regards to my "great trevor" comment. If you choose to preach to me about "heeding" anyone (rather than discussing the issues) you WILL get my sarcastic response. I am within my rights.

Please refrain from presuming you can advise, or criticize me! This ain't a democracy, I ain't takin a poll, you don't get a vote, I ain't askin advise, I do what I please and remain in compliance with all the rules on this forum.

I have never been questioned/punished by the mods for a comment I've made. And I will not be. Because I am honest, respectful, steadfast in my efforts fighting for the 99% and I certainly do not offer "honest opinion" about their personal style/approach to anyone.

What kinda conceited, self centered, self important, delusional moron does that? No I WILL focus on the issues because that is why I come here. I ain't the police, or the forum defender, or the mother hen. I don't come here to make friends, it ain't a social networking experience for me.

I am comfortable only discussing the issues. If you don't like my style you can tell your little click of downvoting closet republicans. They don't scare me, I relish those battles. Amateurs.

Peace

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

MODERATORS - is anyone looking in?

If you are - would you mind terribly to review this discussion and weigh in on it?

Thanks ( in advance )

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Are you gonna tell on me? What are you gonna accuse me of.?

At least I'm not cursing people out like the one you defend. I am only responding honestly, & respectfully.

Forget me. Focus on the issues that benefit the 99% as you claim to.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - have you ever contacted the mods for any reason? Just curious.

OH - Hell don't reply to that - at least not today as I am tired of TRYING to talk to you.

BTW - you down voting my comments to you? I can't see others doing it as there are many who agree with what I have been telling you. And it is funny that no one who might be sympathising with you are making any comments when they down vote is done - So Are you?

OH - Hell don't reply to that - at least not today as I am tired of TRYING to talk to you.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't need to - at the rate you are going a moderator will likely consider the issue.

And there you go again - defensive attack = Focus on the issues that benefit the 99% as you claim to.

See when you and I agree you love everything I say ( so you claim - yes - claim - in your replies to my comments ) - when I or anyone else disagrees with you in any way - you go on the defense/attack routine of yours - it is an expected thing - expected by any who have seen your comments.

You say you try to be respectful when having a conversation ( one sided ) and then you make a follow-up comment like = I do not recognize the great Trevor

Ummmm just what was respectful about that?

Done talking to you ( um AT you ) for today.

You really ought to consider what people have told you about this - and no it has not just been me - and no I am not picking on you - I Am Trying to reason with you.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Forget me. Focus on the issues like you pretend you do.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

One more response then - do you need jart to give you another time out so you can reflect on your behavior?

No one can talk to you so maybe you need a time out to think about that FACT.

Don't bother to respond - I was gonna ask you what you think ( habit when I talk "TALK" to "TO" someone ) but that is pretty useless as you seem not to be able to consider what people may say to you.

BuBye for today.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you would get a strong response from anyone trying to keep OWS from making people aware of just how much the GOP support the 1%

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure you're a fraud right now that's a little closer to home. You are here to weaken Obama and make it easier for a Republican to win next time, I only say that because it's the only thing that explains your constant support of the obvious GOP supporter OTP/hchc, as long as we're going to get all into who's done this and who's done that.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Do you know how many people have pm'd me and thanked me, and a few others here, because we help to drown out the msm Dem party dribble that constantly comes out of a few posters?

You can accuse people all you want. Most occupiers are anti Obama because they are anti DC. Anti Congress. Which actually better represents the overall feeling in this country.

Keep clinging to your dream of creating the Dems in the mold of the people, and getting your ultimate defeat of the Republicans.

We did that in 08. What did it get ya? A big pile of shit. After we got one pile of shit from Bush for 8 years.

Go to OP, and propose that they should focus on getting rid of Republicans. Make sure its livestreamed. Id love to see that.

It would embarrass them all. Make them look like fools. We arent playing those stupid games. Get it through your head.

A certain poster contacted me and asked why all the radicals get attacked on here. Your thoughts?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I can see by your karma jump somebody must love you,

you are a GOP hack that's a fact, pure and simple, if people like it, that's up to them

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You are a real piece of work, whoever you are. Keep discrediting those who want change.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

classic party politics. This is really funny actually.

You have a mind that loves to go into the delusional. The same guy who thinks that liberal organizations outside of the democratic party are just front groups funded by republicans, even though you have no evidence to back this up.

You're here to try and suggest that people funded by Wall Street will save us from Wall Street.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Having fun building your strawman?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

This post = http://occupywallst.org/forum/failure-of-epic-proportions-treasury-nominee-jack-/ This very post that you are on - is a call for people to see that a corpoRAT GOP individual is being placed in charge - and that fact is the fact of the disease being put in charge - think we will see health come from that?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

hmmm, really? when I came here trevor and BW were complaining that it was floating down....

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What? um that comment needs explaining - it is unclear what you are trying to say.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

maybe later would be better, do you think are seeing this?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Do I think who? are seeing this. Complete your thoughts please. Lends to better communications - less misunderstandings. {:-]) I don't know any mind readers.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

look I think trevor supports third party and that threatens progress but that doesn't keep me from wanting to bump good posts about people that most likely don't belong in their job, I said a while back I wanted Reich for the job, the problem around here is you have so many people ready to throw the Ds in with the Rs and go third party that you got to watch every word, hell it's hard to see how the whole Bush/Gore?Nader thing didn't teach everybody but it didn't.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Please stop pushing the Blame Nader Conspiracy Theory. It's designed to silence liberal voices outside of the system. It is very dangerous. They did that to the marxists and socialist labor movements in the early 1900's. And you're repeating the suppression of the liberal voice now. Without Nader we wouldn't have the EPA. Suppressing people like him is naive and dangerous.

The people funded by Wall Street will not save you from Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

One would think their silence on the 85 billion a month in pillaging would be all the proof they need.

85 Billion a month. 28million per county. On a monthly basis.

Total silence. Unreal.

Occupy Everything

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"Grand Illusion" would be an eye opening book for you.

Crush the duopoly.

You should be freakin ecstatic that people are attempting to create new, better options. 08 was a mandate. It was a landslide. I helped with the campaign. It got us nothing. Nothing has changed. It was all fluff.

Thats why Occupy came about.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

yeah they really crushed the duopoly in 2000, so in 2004 the Greens were even bigger right? where are these people crushing the duopoly? If OWS came about to bring us another Nader, well that would be a crying shame.

[-] 3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You just dont get it, do you....

[-] 5 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Some people never will, man. Usually brainwashing takes some serious deprogramming but deprogramming is outside the scope or ability of this forum. It would require professionals. A comment like "supporting third-parties threatens progress" says it all.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Word.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You seem to have a habit of having part of your conversation with your self and only sharing part of it with who you are talking to.

Trevor to my knowledge is not pushing 3rd party politics - I do believe he is pushing issues - and the fact that those in office who oppose good issues "like" Move To Amend - need to be booted from office - whether they are a dem or a rep or anything else.

It is all about the issues.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

issues, yeah I talk about those with my buds over beers, I was hoping for more fundamental change here, if we could get something about guns through congress sure that would be good, a job made much easier when the pols think you might get involved in their primary, or even a CU amendment but if we leave the system with the rich getting richer, the system will still fail in the end, and in order to address the wealth you must kill the GOP to think otherwise is just fooling yourself, so you can label it how ever you like I do think it is something we can do, that we are not powerless, but the pols will keep treating us like we are as long as we split apart with third parties on election day.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Gun regulations may be needed - but will not protect the children - healing the ills of society will go much further in protecting the children - ALL Children.

Support Move to Amend - that will make a lot of progress in protecting us ALL.

[-] 0 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

the donald ( duck or trump ) is totally against Jack Lew

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Bernie sanders is too. Are you saying Bernie Sanders and Trump are the same?

Jack Lew was at Citit during their biggest years of fraud. He also accepted bonuses after receiving bailout money at Citi. You should read this post. 2 of the biggest Wall Street critics are calling Lew a fraud. Lew pushed austerity and preaches deregulation.

You party hacks are a joke.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"You party hacks are a joke."

amen

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Implied kiss of death? to invoke the stupid to defense/support?

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

In his entire carrer, he spemt two years at Wall St
WHO would you choose?

[-] 10 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Jack Lew is a fraud.

I would choose Dennis Kucinich. His ideas on monetary policy and economics is what we need in this country. He also is fully aware that Wall Street is screwing the people over.

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

wow downvoted for calling Jack Lew a fraud. What has this site come to?

[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

It's possible it's being attacked from outside the normal participants. Apparently there are a LOT of lurkers on this forum who never comment. But it's more likely that you pissed someone off here. Probably due to the number of 'disagreements' you had with the "one who shall remain nameless." Take it from my many experiences with him, that's all it takes. I've lost a couple thousand points from him, his other usernames and his couple of buddies. What I can't figure out is whose been downvoting bw? That's puzzling since she's always been pretty levelheaded and non-confrontational. Not to mention almost always on-point.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Maybe it's due to association.

Now the party hacks are listing some bullshit from trump to justify why Lew is the great one. Completely disregard his history of deregulation and his preaching for austerity. Completely disregard someone who they appreciate, Bernie Sanders, who is 100% right with his opinion on Lew.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Some people have short memories. And there's a few around here that, although they would deny it, obviously base their opinions on the bs that MSM spouts about politicians and current affairs. Or they're really gullible. Or a combo of the three, heh heh heh.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (25258) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey - G

Yep - fuck party - fuck leanings - SUPPORT OR OPPOSE ISSUES - Hey?

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3158) 1 year ago

It's not the site - it's the shills! To hell and beyond with them!! Solidarity and I am witness to your point!!!

http://www.nationofchange.org/short-sad-life-greedaholics-anonymous-1358093599

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I like DK - could he be confirmed?
He may be as far left as we are, but in 14 years,
how much legislation did he get passed?
I assume that you know that the SOT does not determine policy

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

it's hard to pass legit legislation when just about the entire Congress is corrupt.

Look at the bills he's authored, Dennis is a great man pushing real reform.

The Secretary of Treasury has a lot of power. Why do you think Citi Bank paid for it?

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You are such a moron if you support a citi bank fraud who paid himself bonuses while accepting bailout money at a bank that committed so many levels of fraud.

I actually agree with Bernie Sanders who thinks Jack Lew is a joke.

Who are you working for? Wall Street? You constantly assault liberal regulators like Nader and now you're supporting a citi bank fraud like Jack Lew?

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Tax the money to pay the bill

[+] -5 points by factsrfun (6477) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Another thing The Donald and trevor agree on, why am I not surprised?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/donald-trump-on-jack-lews-secretive-signature-86126.html

[-] 5 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I actually agree with Bernie Sanders about Jack Lew.

You do know Lew was accepting bonuses while he accepted bailout money for Citi Bank?

Are you aware of the acts of fraud committed by Citi Bank? And you want him to head the treasury? Next you'll try and say Geitner was legit?

What a fucking joke you are

Google search Citi Bank Fraud and watch all the shit pile up. But go ahead and support a Wall Street deregulator. Fucking joke.

Go read up on Bernie Sanders.

while phonies are praising Jack Lew the Citi Bank fraud, Bernie Sanders knows better

"We don't need a treasury secretary who thinks Wall Street deregulation was not responsible for the financial crisis." -Bernie Sanders