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Forum Post: Fact Checking NBC

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 16, 2012, 7:38 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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this is bullshit

I posted an article from SeattlePI yesterday, indicating Lyan Ryan had entered a soup kitchen for a photo op without permission from the Director Brian Antol. The Washington Post apparently first broke the story, and you can see my forum post right on this issue here.

Now it appears not only is Lyan Ryan Lyan. Now -

Peter Alexander Just Lied on NBC News

There's Lyan Ryan washing dishes - you can see that they are already clean.


From NBC:

( note this article, found online, is slightly different from the on air spot narrated by Peter Alexander. )

Ryan did wash dirty dishes during soup kitchen visit By NBC's Alex Moe and Betsy Cline

LYNCHBURG, VA -- Amid questions and criticisms related to Paul Ryan’s visit this weekend to an Ohio soup kitchen, the charity’s president said the Republican vice presidential candidate did, in fact, scrub dirty dishes though his visit wasn’t officially sanctioned.

The question of whether the Wisconsin congressman cleaned dishes that were actually dirty – as opposed to re-washing already clean dishes so as to get a good photo opportunity -- Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society President Brian Antal clarified that Ryan did clean soiled dishes. This differs from what Antal had told The Washington Post Monday.

Speaking Tuesday morning with NBC News, Antal said he was not on-site when Ryan was at the soup kitchen and attributes his earlier comments that the dishes were clean when Ryan washed them to hearing the details second-hand from a volunteer.

Following a town hall meeting in Youngstown, OH on Saturday, Ryan -- joined by his wife and three kids -- made a quick stop at the St. Vincent De Paul Society shortly after the homeless people had breakfast. There were only volunteers left inside the building by the time Ryan arrived, as his public event ran longer than expected.

After arriving at the soup kitchen -- where Secret Service agents and staff had gathered before the motorcade arrived -- the Ryan family put on white aprons and proceeded to wash dishes for several minutes as cameras and still photographers snapped photos nearby.

In response to questions about Antal’s comments to the Washington Post that Ryan “did nothing” while at the soup kitchen, Antal said his words were mischaracterized. He told NBC News in that Ryan did very little work only compared to the larger context of Saturday morning, when the kitchen fed 180 homeless people breakfast. Antal conceded that Ryan did wash several dirty dishes.

The head of the charity said a campaign aide who had sought permission for the visit prior to Ryan's visit was granted access by a volunteer, rather than any person of authority at the soup kitchen. The volunteer, Antal said, had no authority to allow or deny the Republican vice presidential candidate's stop.

Ryan has made several quick stops that are unannounced to the general public in the past while campaigning across the country. In response to questions about the stop in the battleground state of Ohio that has raised questions in the media, campaign spokesman Michael Steel said: “It was a great opportunity to highlight the importance of volunteerism and local charities.”

Antal says he is speaking to the media because the organization is non-political and is concerned that being connected to the campaign could negatively impact their support.

The confusion, though, hasn't stopped Democrats from trying to turn Ryan's stop into a political issue.

The Washington Post posted an updated article online Tuesday morning noting: “The head of an Ohio charity who criticized Mitt Romney’s campaign for staging a 'photo-op' at one of the group’s soup kitchens has consistently voted in Democratic primaries.”



News Reporters Should Be Telling Us The Truth

not providing spin for cynical Machiavellian Scheming

Not by Lyan Ryan, nor anyone else.


Here's another article on the topic - From Business Insider, and they link to video - courtesy of CBS NEWS

Paul Ryan's been taking a lot of heat for staging a photo-op in an Ohio soup kitchen.

The president of the charity told the Washington Post, "The photo-op they did wasn’t even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall."

Now, there's video of Paul Ryan's staged photo-op stunt. Ryan is shown walking into the kitchen with his wife and three kids, with each of them donning white aprons.

"You know, I spent a summer washing dishes," Ryan tells his children in the video. "... You get calluses on your fingers 'cause it gets so hot."

The video doesn't show Paul Ryan or his handlers "ramrod" their way into the kitchen, and he is shown washing at least two dishes -- even if those dishes looked pretty clean to begin with. (Update: A Mitt Romney rep points us to this report that Paul Ryan did indeed wash dirty dishes.)

Watch Paul Ryan's staged photo-op below and judge for yourself how staged it was from CBS News:



Why is this issue important? In a single word:


Credibility is all a news reporter has, no matter the breadth or depth of the resume. Without credibility everything else is meaningless.


Lyan Ryan not only lied - he involved numerous individuals, adults, children, and even members of the Secret Service, in his lie, insisting with his behavior, that this is perfectly acceptable, honorable, ethical behavior for a candidate for public office. Let alone the second highest office in the land.

Surely repelican hubris knows no bounds.

Such is the nature of repelican retribution toward an organization dedicated to public service feeding the hungry when they fail to display proper public support. If the organization insists on nonpartisanship, repelicans will steal any opportunity to damage their reputation for nonpartisanship and so curb their ability to raise funds.



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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

You would make a horrible journalist.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

You dont have to worry about it, Obama is doing a fantastic job as keeping the country baffled with bullshit, there is no need for them to replace him.

Mitt is just the latest stooge, similar to Kerry or Dole.