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Forum Post: Exposing US War Crimes or Not, Judge Denies Manning's Whistleblower Defense

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 18, 2013, 2:23 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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The Guardian reports that Colonel Denise Lind "ruled that general issues of motive were not relevant to the trial stage of the court martial, and must be held back until Manning either entered a plea or was found guilty, at which point it could be used in mitigation to lessen the sentence."

Lind also ruled that Coombs may not present evidence that the documents released to WikiLeaks caused little or no damage to US national security.

Coombs will be able to raise that evidence when addressing the specific charge of aiding the enemy, as FiredogLake's Kevin Gosztola points out, "in order to prove he did not know passing information to WikiLeaks would result in 'dealing with the enemy.'"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/01/18-5

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[-] 6 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Time Served

Let's face it, this trial is not going to go the way we want.

We're not going to stop it in mid litigation.

I would suggest a massive campaign demanding his sentence be limited to time served.

He's been punished enough already, by any measure.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

He's been tortured.

forced nudity, stress positions, confinement in the dark, ransacking, etc

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/29/bradley-manning-torturous-holding-conditions

trying to get charges dropped due to illegal holding conditions.

old article from july last year. if anyone has updates please link

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm not arguing that at all.

All prisons are torture in and of themselves and military prisons are much worse.

If he can get out, there is a chance for a civil case, that would all of that into the light.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Don't you know?

Only "business" gets to know these things.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

They suck. ;)

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I agree.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

AGREE - People speak-up speak-out for this whistleblower - he sacrificed all to share with the public vital information that we all need to see consider and speak-out about.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Anybody here have any experience at writing petitions?

How about posting something clearer and tweeting it?

I don't tweet.....so?

This might be the only thing that will give Bradley some of his life back.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

This could be a post written by you for the express purpose of readers to post out onto twitter and other social media - put in a hope that it goes viral.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Provide the verbiage and I will be happy to share it out ( tweet ). Put in a request that someone look into creating a petition. There are some awesome petition writers on the internet - mention Care2 and other sites as possible places to go. Maybe even Avazz.

This could be a post written by you for the express purpose of readers to post out onto twitter and other social media - put in a hope that it goes viral.

[-] 2 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

He is going to be made an example of.Mr Assange will also face some kind of kangaroo court.That is unless he does not pass on unexpectedly.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I agree.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Terrible plane crash on a flight to Ecuador?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

UPD on Manning

www.nationofchange.org/bradley-manning-update-how-commit-espionage-without-trying-1366120406

FYI, In compliment, And a bump

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Judge is corrupt.

All it takes is a pardon.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TWEETED - http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/01/18-5 … Support the Public's Right/Need to Know. Protect Whistleblowers.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

f'n judge - this is classic - good ( VITAL ) for the public to know - whistle blowing.

Free Bradley Manning.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is insane. It really is. It isn't enough for them to have intentionally, willingly tortured the guy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

YES - IT IS - INSANE - the fucking inmates are in charge of the asylum - They have locked the doors and set the place on fire.

People - This Is NOT a JOKE.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Unfortunately for David Manning, I can personally assure you, he will never see the light of day again. And this, in part, is the fault of the military because they should have weeded him out long ago; the military it seems has become far too tolerant.

[-] -1 points by 4now (4) 1 year ago

Did Manning break military law or not?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

We can talk right after you log back in with your original ID. Until that point in time, I will not answer a god damned thing. Are we clear?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Would you still worry about that question - if - say - he refused to shoot an unarmed person in the head while said person was made to kneel?

[-] 0 points by 4now (4) 1 year ago

What does that have to do with my question?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Just wondering if you would still be concerned about having broken military law? You know refusing an order?

[-] -1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

In another age, when people were less advanced and more prone to simple defense against enemies, Manning would be rotting in a cell serving a life sentence for treason. Sorry guys.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

In another age, when people were less advanced and more prone to simple defense against enemies we found mercenaries for hire as far back as King Shulgi of Ur. Now we have Vinell Corporation and Academi.

Gee, that was fun. Memories.................

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Another good comment.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Thank you.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You're on a roll.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

In another age the enemies being fought were actual and threatening for survival. How about some way to clarify or challenge the definition of "enemy". According to who and by what standards is such a thing determined and who is to say that after experiencing the reality of what was happening found out what enemy we are dealing with, because taking oath to serve his country he made the proper choice, if your chain of command is corrupt/or the actual enemy you are on your own. This line of reasoning may hold a note of what people knowingly/unknowing will react or at least look at. It may do larger good to start with the definition of and authority to make such a call due to these never before dealt with circumstances. Our whole economy seems to have been hijacked by some enemy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well they sure as hell are not little kids - playing in the street when a drone sends in a missile to blow up the house they are near.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

I am not making light about anyone being killed or tortured. I'll try again- Who determines who and what is the "enemy" Webster has 3 listed and in short hate,hostile and injurious both to people,ideas,causes. It seems to me that as People WE have say just who the enemy is an can be considered as any hostile person with intent to cause injury. Everyone wants out of this war and majority of citizens would like something they can percieve to jump on and make it better the media keeps them you know(?) Sooner than later we'll get a good ditty that snaps with the populas and then fixing things kicks into high gear. How about if we get some of the defense dollars or like I have mentioned just make shit up and go through whatever nonsense is getting all the budget now so as to fix shit. Priority #1 stop torture and killing

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Really does not matter as at this very point in time - as we are not defending - we are aggressing. So for all intents and purposes this action ( these overseas actions ) are not legal.

[-] 1 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

So our military would officially (according to who ever agrees)be the enemy,just as I suspected. Now onto I go figuring just what will get public to snap out of media trance. Freedom need no defense and I mean to have part in fixing this nightmare I too live.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26867) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The military is not the enemy - they are being used illegally - starting from the Bush admin insertion overseas. The use of Drones? In a civilian setting illegal - the resultant deaths of innocents = murder. Will those responsible be held accountable? Magic 8 ball says ask again..................