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Forum Post: Eric Holder Contempt Vote, Here We Go Again! RepubliCon Witch Hunt II

Posted 2 years ago on June 29, 2012, 7:52 a.m. EST by JS93 (-321)
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Eric Holder Contempt Vote May Signify Dead End on Fast and Furious {Could There Be A Silver Lining??}

{Like the bogus wars and Laissez Faire crashed economy, Obama inherited the stupid Mexican gun scheme from the hair-brained Cheney & W Regime. Now the crazy Cons wanna hold AG Holder in Contempt in another RepubliCon Witch Hunt, completely ignoring Gonzalez and Ashcroft, and with complete Corporate Media impunity. Any halfway respectable News Media would be tearing these scandalous Republicon Bozos ~ especially King Rat, Darrell Issa ~ to merciless pieces over such a ruse!! But just like the WS scandal and world economy collapse, this is an inside job, conducted and orchestrated by the 1% PTB!! So no critical News Media scrutiny need apply, unless they want to get Ann Curried.

So let's let the bastards have their pound of flesh with Holder, he's a WS lawyer anyway. Let the crazy Cons and the 1% Charlie Mansons they worship have their bogus scapegoat, let them get drunk with blood lust. And let's replace Holder with Ralph and a small team of his Nader's Raiders. Then let's watch the crazy Con roaches run into and over each other is sheer apoplectic terror!! Break out the subpoenas and clear your hearing schedules, justice will hit DC crooks and Cons like a 200' tsunami! Barry, R U listening?!! How sweet it is!!}

John Rudolf john.rudolf@huffingtonpost.com

In a nearly party-line vote, Republicans in Congress easily passed a measure on Thursday citing Attorney General Eric Holder with contempt for refusing to produce documents tied to Operation Fast and Furious. But what comes next?

"In the days and weeks to come, we will use what we can in the way of other tools to glean additional information," said Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, who led the 18-month probe of Fast and Furious. "We will find the truth."

Exactly what Issa hopes to still learn about Fast and Furious, which the Department of Justice already said allowed high-powered weapons to slip into the hands of criminals, remains unclear. After 18 months, no evidence has emerged showing Holder, his top lieutenants, or any White House officials or staff authorized the discredited tactics of Fast and Furious, or deliberately concealed information about those tactics from Congress.

Issa's failure to secure any damning evidence against top officials suggests that his investigation has largely run its course, said Charles Tiefer, a professor at the University of Baltimore Law School.

"This contempt vote is not the beginning of something. It's the end of something," Tiefer said. "It's the last little bit of life that can be squeezed out of the Fast and Furious investigation."

Tiefer, who served as chief counsel to three Democratic House speakers in the 1980s and 1990s, testified as an expert during a Fast and Furious hearing at Issa's invitation.

Documents and testimony overwhelmingly indicate that the "gun-walking" tactics of Fast and Furious were conceived and executed by field agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and supervised by the federal prosecutor's office in Phoenix, with limited involvement by senior Justice Department staff.

Emails exchanged after the Republican probe in Fast and Furious began in early 2011 further show that DOJ officials were repeatedly told by ATF officials that no gun-walking occurred during the operation. Those denials were transmitted to a Republican senator then retracted.

In a hearing Wednesday, Issa said that documents being withheld by Holder cover internal deliberations over congressional and media inquiries, and date from February 2011 to today -- after Fast and Furious already had come to an end. Issa said he had no evidence indicating a cover-up by Holder or White House officials, or indicating their involvement in authorizing or managing the botched operations.

The former ATF director, Kenneth Melson, was forced to step down last year and other agents and officials directly involved in Fast and Furious have been reassigned pending the outcome of an internal Justice Department investigation.

Shortly before Thursday's contempt vote, the Associated Press reported that documents recently offered by Holder to Issa's committee dated February 2011 show the attorney general aggressively seeking answers on what went wrong in Fast and Furious.

"We need answers on this. Not defensive BS. Real answers," Holder wrote to a subordinate after seeing a story by CBS alleging gun-walking by ATF.

The documents offered to Issa also show senior officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sought to convince Holder and other Justice Department officials that "gun-walking" never occurred in Fast and Furious. Those assertions appear to have been questioned by Holder.

White House officials claim that these and other internal emails are protected by executive privilege, but said they were willing to disclose many of them in a show of good faith to the oversight panel. The offer was rejected.

Some open-government advocates have joined Republicans in denouncing the White House's invocation of executive privilege, calling it unnecessary and a slap in the face to transparency. "The president cannot assert this power merely to avoid the release of potentially embarrassing or politically inconvenient details," wrote Mark J. Rozell and Mitchel A. Sollenberger, both political science professors and experts on executive power, in an essay for CNN.

But before the contempt vote, Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the oversight committee, said Issa's refusal to negotiate with Holder over the documents reeked of politics.

"I believe this attorney general has bent over backwards trying to accommodate us, trying to provide the information," Cummings said.

Other Democrats accused Issa of relentlessly targeting Holder during his investigation despite reams of evidence pointing away from his direct involvement, and stoking the fears of gun-rights advocates with allegations that Fast and Furious was directed by the White House as a secret plot to institute gun control.

"This is Darrell Issa's great white whale," Rep. Mike Quigley, (D-Il.), said in an interview before the contempt vote.

{PS. Let's remove the few Dems who went along with RepubliCon Witch Hunt!!}

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[-] 2 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Why do you call this a "witch hunt". How would you feel if you had a brother who was killed by a weapon that was issued by the Feds and now they won't say much about it.

I hope the parents of the person who was killed sues the shit out of the government and let the taxpayers pay the bill.

[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

And Pat Tillman's too!! But where are they??? What is Holder hiding??? What has Holder done with Ashcroft and Gonzalez??? Hmmm???

[-] -1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

"I hope the parents of the person who was killed sues the shit out of the government and let the taxpayers pay the bill."

Would this extend to everyone who sold a gun that was involved in a crime?

Oh, wait, now who was it that sold these guns?

[-] 1 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

No, it wouldn't. A gun-walking program is nothing at all like a typical gun purchase. Not even close. You know that.

Not liking the contempt vote is ok, but it is perfectly legitimate. and the use of executive privilege is reason to be suspicious about what's in the documents he refuses to turn over.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Got any of your own thinking to offer, slizz?

I have been hearing all this for days.Anything new?

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

What isn't valid about it? You just dismissing it without addressing it means very little.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Only Cheap-Labor Conservatives care about it. Nothing is valid about it except distraction from failed economic policies. Where are the jobs?

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[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

DNC talking point noted.

So you have zero to offer on why congress' legitimate oversight and access to documents is somehow invalid here? As expected.

Btw, the "where are the jobs?" bullshit line only works when you're preaching to the chorus or to children. Adults see it as the lame distraction it is.

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[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Contempt vote is right wing repub/nra tactic to hurt rural dem reps in the coming election. 1/2 the docs Issa wants are illegal to turm over! The other half is unrelated to the Bush created program that Holder ended when he found out about it. Issa has refused to enter docs that incriminate the people who created this ridiculous program. And now we hear (fortune mag ) that the ATF was not intentionally letting these guns walk. The repubs are engaged in an abuse of power, They are desperate to smear this Admin because Obama has been scandal free!

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

The bush version tracked the guns and involved the Mexican govt. the program holder did not end when he found out about it did neither of those two things.

You only have assumptions and partisan whining. The document request is legit. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it otherwise.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Holder was unaware of this ridiculous program. There is evidence that the ATF did not let any guns walk as well.

And Holder ended the program.! That is the important fact. So Issa is just abusing his power. It's just a partisan attack. Kinda like your comments.

[-] 2 points by BushbamneyLies (0) 2 years ago

More unsupportable Obamapologies? What are they paying you to keep posting your baloney?

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[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

"Holder was unaware of this ridiculous program."

how gullible are you? don't you know about the retracted memos that point directly at the fact that his timeline does not jibe?

"And Holder ended the program.!"

after his careless version of it resulted in the death of a border patrol agent. THAT is the important fact.

"partisan" -- pot...kettle...black!

I have basic facts. congress has legitimate oversight of DOJ. congress has a right to documents. they have asked and not recieved. they have a right to hold him in contempt.

it's just that simple.

no spin, no assumptions, no guesses, no flailing away and throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks, no pick an exucse blurt it out and then move on to the next, none of that bullshit you employ. just the facts.

nothing partisan on my side. all you.

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[-] 0 points by JusticeF0rTrayvon (-58) 2 years ago

That's right, everything I don't like is partisan motivated! It keeps me from having to respond in a neutral and logical fashion!

If Holder ended the program when he heard about it, then he will have no problem releasing the documents about it.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

brief summary of 6 month fortune magazine investigation

The Truth About "Fast and Furious" With a House vote scheduled tomorrow to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over the "Fast and Furious" investigation, an investigation by Fortune magazine suggests that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall in the hands of a Mexican cartel.

"Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn. Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies."

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

I think they should go after the Obama administration the get the truth about Enron and the real whereabouts of Ken Lay!! Is He Really Dead??? What Is Obama Hiding??? Hmmmm???

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

fortune mag piece ws fillled with lies, and silly you, you fell for them.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Ah yes lies - according to you, the world's expert Damn commie Fortune magazine!!

[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

get out of your pantyhose and calm down . do search for " fortune flat out lies about fast and furious" they LIED.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

FYI - I have to take off my high heels before I take off my pantyhose


I trust your Breitbart sources about as much as I trust fox & koch


I assume that you know that Issa was involved in various crimes including gun crimes and arson


Of course that does not prove Issa is a liar -
but it does prove Issa is a crook.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you believe the forbes story because it fits your agenda. did you read the story on beitbart? this isnt about issa , its about the corruption of the ag the doj and the president. platforms?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I only believe commie left wing media like Fortune magazine

[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

did you read the breitbart story? louboutin or blahniks?

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

The republicalans witch hunt is successful!
christine odonnell
virginia foxx
sarah palin
michelle bachmann

[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Where has Eric Holder hidden my fucking keys??? Where are the files???

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Before the Rs seduce you, read the article in Fortune magazine about fas & furious -
and read about Issa :


Issas who live in glass houses should not throw stones, or steal cars, or commit arson, or use guns


The disgraceful excuse for a congressman who is witch hunting AG Holder


Rep. Darrell Issa's past includes numerous arrests for felonies such as weapons charges and auto theft, suspicions of arson, and accusations of intimidation with a gun, but you'd hardly know it from the media's recent coverage of the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.


The Real Issa: Suspected Arson


1982: Issa Suspected, in arson incident at his plant: According to the Los Angeles Times: "A suspected arson fire ripped through [Issa's Ohio] manufacturing plant in 1982. No one was ever charged in the fire, but authorities were troubled by a dramatic escalation in the facility's fire insurance just weeks earlier. Prior to the fire, Issa "boosted" fire insurance amount from $100,000 to $462,000 and removed a key company computer from the premises and, according to an insurance report, one investigator was 'concerned about the coincidence.
"Suspicious Burn Patterns" And "Out Of Normal Practice" Behavior Alerted Investigators. The Washington Post reported: "Investigators reported 'suspicious burn patterns' and said the fire may have been set. A company bookkeeper, Karen Brasdovich, also told them that computers and records had been removed from the site days before the fire for no clear reason. Flammable Liquid Had "Been Poured On The Only Area Not Covered By Fire Sprinklers." The Los Angeles Times reported that "seven months after Issa took control," a fire broke out at the plant. Case files from Maple Heights, the Ohio fire marshal and insurers pointed repeatedly to the likelihood of arson in the blaze, which officials estimated caused $800,000 in damage. Although an accident could not be ruled out, the uneven and unnatural burn patterns made the blaze 'suspicious in nature,' the state concluded two months later.


The Real Issa: Intimidation With A Weapon


Former AC Custom executive claimed Issa Intimidated him with a gun. According to the Los Angeles Times: "One of Issa's first tasks as the new boss [of AC Custom] was to remove an executive named Jack Frantz. According to Frantz, Issa came into his office, placed a small box on the desk and opened it. Inside, he said, was a gun." Issa obviously used Intimidation to fire Frantz who claimed, "'He just showed [the gun] to me and said 'You know what this is?' Issa invited Frantz to hold the gun at one point and told him he had learned about guns and explosives during his military days
Former AC Custom Bookkeeper: "It Was Pretty Terrifying." According to the Los Angeles Times: "The bookkeeper, [Karen] Brasdovich, also recalled Issa having a gun at the company that day. 'It was pretty terrifying,' she said."


The Real Issa: Auto Theft & Weapons Charges


Issa was twice arrested In 1972 on weapons charges according to the San Francisco Chronicle -- once in Ohio, once in Michigan.
Issa Was Convicted Of "Possession Of An Unregistered Handgun," and paid a fine and served his sentence on probation - when Issa was attending college in Michigan.
1972: Issa was arrested for auto theft. According to the New York Times: Daryl & his brother William were arrested in the theft of a Maserati from a Cleveland car dealership."
1972: Issa also charged with "Carrying A Concealed Weapon." Court records...show that in March 1972, one month after getting out of the Army, Issa was arrested on charges of carrying a concealed weapon and auto theft.
Auto Theft, Concealed Weapons Charges Were Ultimately Dropped. According to the San Francisco Chronicle: "In May 1972, a grand jury indicted Issa on a larceny charge in connection with the car theft but dropped the weapons charge. Two weeks later, a prosecutor dropped the car theft charge as well."
Charges were dropped despite witness reports! According to the Los Angeles Times, "a witness reported seeing [Darrell and William Issa] pushing the sports car down the street just before midnight, records and interviews show. But the charges were dismissed -- months before the older brother, [William], was convicted of stealing another car amid a string of offenses."


Mr Issa - Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

[-] 0 points by JusticeF0rTrayvon (-58) 2 years ago

So, the whole Holder thing doesn't matter, because Issa is also a dirtbag? Amazing logic.

[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Why won't Eric Holder reveal the secret love affair with you??? What is he hiding??? Why won't he tell what he really knows about Iran-Contra???? Where are the files??? Hmmmmm??????

[-] 0 points by JusticeF0rTrayvon (-58) 2 years ago

Okay, two observations here,

  1. I am already in a relationship with your mother, and I'm not interested in pursuing a triangle with the attorney general

and 2. You posted three angry replies to my comments here, and with the current programmed server posting interval, I have successfully wasted six entire minutes of your life. All you got out of it was anger, whereas I came here to make you angry. It's very fulfilling LOL

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[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I dare you to read the Fortune article - assuming you know how to read.

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

The RW world is not a fact-based world, nor one of logic, or free thought. It is a world of belief and obedience. Where were these clowns for Pat Tillman?? Shock and Awe?? The BP oil explosion and unprecedented spill?? WS heist?? Economy collapse?? Silent!! Their Charlie Mansons didn't declare their Crusade until the Dark one took the White House!! The election of Barack Obama was the Big Bang for RW hyteria-Jihad!!!

[-] -2 points by JusticeF0rTrayvon (-58) 2 years ago

Why would you assume that?

Have I given you any evidence to indicate it? Or is it just another case of you searching for evidence and claims to fit your predetermined conclusions?

You are such a scientist.

[-] -1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Look Newbies: this is an example of classic RepubliCon Recrimination (AKA) Projection.

Pretty cool shit, isn't it. The most fascinating part is that they (Cons) seem completely oblivious of doing it.

[-] 0 points by JusticeF0rTrayvon (-58) 2 years ago

That's right, this "science" stuff is pretty foreign to you. LOL

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[-] -1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

What is the Obama administration Hiding about Darell Issa??? Hmmmm???

What about the Obama-Christine Odonnell Love Child???? Why are they hiding the baby's sex??? Where is the Birth Certificate???? Hmmmm???

What are they hiding about Iran-Contra??? What aren't they telling us??? And how many were killed to keep this scandalous secret quiet!??? Hmmmm??

Why won't Eric Holder just come clean???? What is he hiding???? Hmmm???

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Issa wants private, internal emails on political strategy. Now why would he want something like that? And that is what executive privilege is for.

No one was thinking about this as a gun control issue until the "break the windows" guy sold it to Fox and the NRA started talking. But now that they shine so much light on this it brings up questions like "How many assault rifles should an 18 year old be able to buy and then sell in the parking lot?" And, "Why can't the government stop it?"

[-] 2 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

What did Holder do with the "break the windows guy's" body??? How was he murdered??? Hmmm??? Where are the files???? Hmmmmm???? How many crazed RW propagandists were murdered by Holder???? Files??? What has Holder done with Ashcroft and Gonzalez?????? Where are the files???? Hmmmmm?????

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

Why would there even be a political strategy in a program like fast and furious? That doesn't interest you? Really?

You may not like it, but there is nothing illegitimate about the contempt charge. congress has oversight, they requested docs, he didn't comply. All else is distractions and partisan whining.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Exactly the point. There is no political strategy in the program. The political strategy is in figuring out how to deal with a burning bag of crap left on your front step. Hey, this is about Liberty! The liberty to call your buddy an asshole without hearing about it on Fox News.

"Why would there even be a political strategy in a program like fast and furious?"

[-] -2 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

You said Issa wants "private emails on political strategy" and asked why he would want them. Now you're saying they don't exist? Wow. Dont hurt yourself contorting like that.

Are you anti-fox autobot? Have you really convinced yourself that, literally, every word said on it is untrue? Don't be so childish.

[-] 3 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

"Are you anti-fox autobot?" Hell yes! They brainwash me while I eat in Texas. No, I stopped eating where they have it on and tell the manager why. Even wrote a little ditty about it.

Facts Have a Liberal BIas Facts have a liberal bias, So don't bring them here around me.

Fox is fair and unbiased, Only truth you can find on TV, Facts have a liberal bias, Fox news is about liberty.

Just like my girl in Saigon, Rupert is kind and true. My 80 IQ makes it plain to me, But Obama knows not what to do.

My 80 IQ makes it plain to me, But those Libs are too blind to see. George Soros' lies have closed all their eyes, Next election say your good byes.

Hot girls have their place with soft boobs in lace, Truth right there in my face, There on my Rupert TV.

I know it 's true cuz Rupert says so, And he'd never lie to me. But facts have a liberal bias, So don't bring them here around me.

http://hemptwister.blogspot.com/2009/11/facts-have-liberal-bias.html

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

"Anti-Fox Autobot"!!! Amazing!! You can't make that shit up!!

A Fox Lies Autobot accuses others of being Autobots!! RICH!! And a fascinating twist on on the Recrimination or Projection (as discussed above) Cons so "religiously" use. I wonder if his TPP (talking point provider) has authorized this Con's use of the word "Childish"? Risky, considering their child-like obedience of their cult leader masters. We shall see.

[-] -2 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

So you admit you've closed your mind.

Good luck with that.

[-] 4 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

I am from Texas. I have a highly developed bullshit detector. It pisses me off when they play for me for a fool. Glad you don't have those sensibilities to deal with. Enjoy.

Oh, btw, I just got a raise. That will be inflationary. Just like counterfeiting money. Me and the stores I shop at will be stealing wealth from you. And you thought it was just the rich boys that did that.

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

"Closed Your Mind"!!! Phenomenal!!

RepubliCons live their whole lives with minds closed, and yet the Con projects it on someone else. Sweet!! This guy is a "typing" text book of RepubliCon psychosis. Good find and very educational.

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

don't bother. your mind is closed. good luck with that.

your last steaming brown loaf. I don't think it terms of "the rich boys" like you do. I am not a useful idiot for the class warfare partisans. that's your obsession, son.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

I thought "open mind" was a commy thing.

Dude, you are a classic conservative and my positions on the role of government put me on the liberal side. Funny, but I am there for totally selfish reasons. Welfare is cheaper than jail. And I don't want the hungry folks coming to my house. Or my neighborhood. Don't even like them on my interstate exits. Seeing old homeless vets makes me feel shitty.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

An open mind is the ability to make no judgement before all of the facts have been presented. An open mind allows for the presentation of facts ongoing. An open mind is always open to truth over and beyond past presentation.

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

I believe the definition of Liberal is open or broad minded, as apposed to Conservative narrow or closed minded.

Actually this is the root of the "Liberal Media" false accusation. Liberals seek facts and truths and try to figure stuff out, so they make better journalists. Cons strive for continuance, believe over think, obey rather than question authority. So Cons started smearing News Media (especially after Watergate) as liberal biased, when it is really facts that have a liberal bias. Cons would never have uncovered the RepubliCon Constitutional Scandal of Watergate. And when Cons seem to "uncover a scandal" it's either completely fabricated (WMDs) or dramatically embellished (ACORN).

This, yet another Cheney-Bush inheritance, gun running fiasco is a tragedy made ridiculous (fabricated) and blatantly exploited before our eyes. A direct extension of what the RepubliCon Cult has been doing since Obama was elected.

Pitch Forks and Torches available in a Voting booth near you on November 6th!!

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Definitely a commie thing, then. It leads to socialism which leads to communism which according to Ayn Rand means dictators.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hhmmmmmm?

I am sorry you lost me.

Did you say an open mind able to sift facts was bad?

I don't think so - but your comment was not clear.

I have appreciated many of your comments - so must think that I missed something.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Oops. I forgot the sarcasm emoticon. ;p

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So - you "do" support an open mind and feel pity for the ayn rand's.

That was my take on you - smart.

No problemo - text sucks for communicating nuance.

[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

I beg to differ! It just takes blinding and heart-stopping talent.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Talk to me - here or on a PM. I am not an unreasoning asshole.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You did not log off - I hold nothing against you - please continue.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Please carry on in clarification. If you don't like me that is OK.

[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Now the Con seems to be exhibiting that RW staple known as "Gibberish," primarily you hear their candidates displaying this (Romney, Palin) and sometimes RW pundits. Also more Recrimination with "useful idiot" which is actually their job description. I just wonder if the "brown loaf" and "rich boys" references were more Eric Holder secrets. Hmmm?? Again, we shall see.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

Try changing the channel.

[-] 0 points by TheMisfit (48) 2 years ago

Tell the Terry family that it is just a "witch hunt". People are dead because the government was up to no good, but it is okay, apparently, with JS93 since it happened under a Dem's watch. Disgusting.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

How was the govt up to no good. You mean the ATF office down by the Mexican border? What are you kiddin?

Weren't the killers of Brian Terry Mexican drug trafficers? The govt didn't do that. The government didn't provide the guns! There isn't even evidence that the bullet that killed Brian Terry was from a gun walking gun.

In fact now there is evidence that there was no gun walking as such involved. How was the govt up to no good?

Certainly the guns were illegally used (by mexican criminals) and illegally obtained (not from govt but from American private citizens/manufacturers). Shouldn't those people be punished?

I mean if Americans are selling guns to Mexican drug lords I would want it stopped. Wouldn't you? If one of those guns were used to kill a border agent the seller should at least be shut down, arrested, and convicted of something. The Issa investigation hasn't touched on that because the NRA won't let him. Bad score!

[-] -1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

And Pat Tillman, too!!!

What is the Obama administration hiding about the Murder Cover-Up of Pat Tillman???? Hmmm???? Where are the files???? Hmmmm???

What are they hiding about the real real we invaded and occupied Iraq???? What are they hiding??? Hmmmm????

Where are the secret orders from Obama, before he was POTUS, to the Cheney-W administration to start running guns into Mexico??? Hmmm??? Where are they???? Where???? HMmmmmmm?????

Where is Ken Star???? Where is Gonzalez??? Where is Ashcroft???? What is Holder Really HIDING!!!?????

[-] -1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

It's chilling that politics is the only thing that matters to the left. 300 dead Mexicans, two dead American agents and you dick heads call it a witch hunt. Your fucking heads explode over a nothing like Plame and 2000 AK 47s allowed to go to vicious drug lords in order to gin up some gun control here is a fucking witch hunt.

Punks

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[-] 0 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Why Won't Holder Reveal the Papers on the GOP F&F Witch Hunt???? What is he hiding???? Hmmm??? How many died to keep GOP at bay????? Where were they buried???? Hmmmmm???? Where are the Files on Tillman???? How Much did Holder really know????? Hmmmm?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"d@ck heads"? "a nothing"? "punks"? Vulgarity and insults = weak arguments.

Plame: Bush/Cheney should be arrested for "outing" any great covert officer of this nation.

"Politics is the only thing that matters to the left"? WHAT! Issa and repubs are playin politics.! Ignored any evidence that pointed to the people who created the program. Ignored any evidence that might show that too many illegal guns are going to mexican criminals and being used to hurt hundreds of civilians. American, Mexican, law enforcement, and not.

The docs they want are from well after Brian Terry was killed. Issa is using this good man to fish for something, anything against Obama because this Pres has been scandal free and the repubs are desperate

The use of NRA "scoring" is a clear political attempt at hurting dems.

These repubs have no shame. They outed a great cia operative (Plame) they created a program that killed a great border patrol agent (Terry) and they are using his name to perpetrate an abuse of power.

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

This lame carping about who started the gun walking programs ignores the fact that the bush version tracked the guns electronically and e Mexican govt was involved.

Holder's version of it did neither. Stop lying.

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[-] 0 points by BushbamneyLies (0) 2 years ago

"this Pres [Odrona the Indefinite Detainer] has been scandal free..."

COULD YOU TELL A BIGGER LIE THAN THIS ONE?

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[-] 0 points by minhaalma (28) 2 years ago

Justice Department won't pursue case against Holder

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/29/12485134-justice-department-wont-pursue-case-against-holder

Updated 4:!6 p.m. - As expected, the Justice has informed Congress that the U.S. attorney will not prosecute Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt, despite Thursday's House vote.

"The longstanding position of the Department of Justice has been and remains that we will not prosecute an executive branch official under the contempt of Congress statute for withholding subpoenaed documents pursuant to a presidential assertion of executive privilege," says Deputy Attorney General James Cole in a letter to the House speaker, John Boehner.

The letter notes that during the Reagan administration, DOJ took the position that the contempt statute could not constitutionally be applied to an official who asserts the president's claim of executive privilege. That policy was first articulated in a memo written by Ted Olson when he was at DOJ in 1984.

Cole writes that the position has been asserted several times since then, most recently during the Bush administration in 2008.

He concludes by saying that the Justice Department has determined that Holder's response to the House committee subpoena "does not constitute a crime" and the Department will not refer the matter to a grand jury "or take any other action to prosecute the attorney general."

[-] -1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

Richard Armitige 'outed' Plame. Let's compare body counts. 302 (and counting) to 0.

Your buddy Holder will go down over this one, hopefully, prison and he might just take Obama with him. Obama owns it now after claiming executive privilege. :)

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[-] -1 points by nazihunter (215) 2 years ago

Yes, yes. This is typical isn't it? We should request the pugs do these witch hunts with their own money.

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[-] -1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Bring in Nader and they just might have to, from the big house.