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Forum Post: DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

Posted 11 months ago on Aug. 22, 2013, 10:14 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17440)
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A federal case in San Francisco, filed by an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, alleges that President Bush and much of his administration should be tried for violating international law in the execution of the Iraq War.

However, the Obama administration's Department of Justice has moved to request that such Bush-era officials, and the former President, be shielded with immunity.

Per Inder Comar:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/22/1233110/-DOJ-Asks-Court-to-Grant-Immunity-to-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-for-Iraq-War

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[-] 3 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

If only all the myriad machinations of this tragic and depraved heist of lives and treasure ~ 9/11-Afghanistan-Iraq ~ were known and widely understood. But they aren't. The culprits worked on this scheme for unknown years before it's execution and their keen attention paid to legalizing these crimes resulted in their subsequent abject inculpability. Much like the Wall Street heist.

The Bush-Cheney administration simultaneously worked heavily on purging the DOJ of non-team players, implanting team-player cells in perpetuity, and purging laws and regulations they deemed hazardous. And it seems to have paid off.

There are also strong reasons to suspect that some sort of coercion or blackmail has been perpetrated on the Obama Administration causing a strange reluctance to prosecute. Again, if only all the details were known and widely understood. But they're not. But the 1%-GOP has done it many times before, witness our current sequester and returning budget hostage crisis.

This we do know: old entrenched skullduggeries are not reversed quickly or easily, and they thrive in special interest access & secrecy, especially combined with prevailing public dereliction and neglect. And unfruitful litigations cost massive amounts of money. If we have learned only one thing from this rapacious imbroglio, it is that there must always be watchdogs! We must always be vigilant!

Let's hope they made a mistake or someone goes rouge, the statute of limitations is just about up!

[-] -3 points by summerbummer (-33) 11 months ago

Oh, Puhleeze. I'm sure the inaction of the current misadministration has NOTHING to do with the fact they don't want to set a precedent for their own criminal prosecutions.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 11 months ago

Why don't you find something out before you slime, I guess it's not necessary when it's always the same anti-black POTUS whatever. Let us all know when you have better options to share... besides glitter and Unicorns.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

Name one incoming prez that hasn't pardoned the last.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 10 months ago

BO!

Nixon, W(?). Many more, I'm sure.

Is there US gov cronyism? You-betcha.

Is it unique? Please don't go there.

It's a fucked up checkmate, the Cons rigged a heist they can't be prosecuted for. And fruitless litigations cost the US dearly.

I was a big backer of this prosecution and it went nowhere: http://www.prosecutegeorgebush.com/

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13696) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

they are GUILTY!!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Yes, they are.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13696) from South Burlington, VT 11 months ago

hang them in the public square!!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

I agree. Completely.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Good one - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday Protected account 29s

DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/22/1233110/-DOJ-Asks-Court-to-Grant-Immunity-to-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-for-Iraq-War … via @dailykos

R U shocked & awed? I'm NOT

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

My Gosh - I am Just shocked and amazed - or is that - Shocked and Awed?

Obammer setting up for a CYA for extensive use of drones in civilian deaths? ya know 4 the next admin?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

I'd go with shock and awe. I'd also go with CYA. That said this case, Saleh v Bush: In her lawsuit, Saleh alleges that:

-- Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz began planning the Iraq War in 1998 through their involvement with the “Project for the New American Century,” a Washington DC non-profit that advocated for the military overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

-- Once they came to power, Saleh alleges that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz convinced other Bush officials to invade Iraq by using 9/11 as an excuse to mislead and scare the American public into supporting a war.

-- Finally, she claims that the United States failed to obtain United Nations approval prior to the invasion, rendering the invasion illegal and an act of impermissible aggression. http://warisacrime.org/content/obama-doj-asks-court-grant-immunity-george-w-bush-iraq-war

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Everyone knows that Iraq was a target for a long time prior to 911. 911 was used for the opening of the door for public approval to go ahead.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Well, sure. Guess the low grade genocide was too time consuming.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Well, sure. Guess the low grade genocide was too time consuming.

One might well think considering the history of the region. But sad to say it is greed and control of resources rearing it's ugly head again. Genocide is just a symptom of the problem in this case I think.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Pretty damn big symptom.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

YEP - Quite Visible Too.

Also reminds me of a term brought to the site not too long ago now - Democide

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

This is Albright saying it was worth it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Makes one want ta puke

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Well, the run around regarding DU is absolutely horrific. But, for this twit to have claimed that it was worth it gave evil a face. Her words have always been shit.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34865) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Her words - gave evil a face ( Her's ) - the twit - always been shit.

Yep - to your original comment - which also gave the borrowed ( except for Her's - which was the only necessary addition ) words above - another good statement/comment.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Edit on that last one:

Did THEY realize what was going on. Sorry bout that :)

I was sitting in my car at MCC on 9/11 before classes listening to Howard Stern.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Who is they?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

Bush and Rummy. At the most human aspect of it all, when he was with those kids....thats not the look of someone who just heard "We are under attack".

What he heard wasnt that. I dont know what it was, but it wasnt that.

Either that or he's an alien :)

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

Bush and Rummy. At the most human aspect of it all, when he was with those kids....thats not the look of someone who just heard "We are under attack".


I have always thought the drama surrounding his being in a classroom was shit. It's like watching a Maury show on who is the father. You know, when a picture of the child is placed on a screen and everyone is supposed to applaud when the woman says that the baby looks just like the guy in question. It isn't accurate yet serves to reinforce the false belief that looks determine the father. That isn't how it works. You're going to need to a paternity test for that.

I think that they were completely aware that it was possible. In fact, I would go so far as to say that they knew that it wasn't a question of if but when.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries. http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

So now the million dollar question: Did you realize what was going on on 9/11 and simply let it happen to give them that ultimate power of preemptive war?

I say its a very definitive yes.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

On 9/11, I had my infant son on my lap and was feeding him. I had kicked on the tv and watched. So, my initial response as was most people was go get the bad guys.

Iraq wasn't the bad guys. In fact, there were vets that when the attention turned to Iraq were like...........lolwut?

So, here is the million dollar question? On 9/11 were you still getting over your first beer? Or were you picking your face up off the floor after a good night of getting high and drinking?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

http://open.salon.com/blog/jacob_freeze_x/2009/05/27/why_obama_wont_prosecute_bush_for_war_crimes

When this war comes home, and I dont know when it will but I know that history has shown this to be the case in EVERY instance, things like NDAA will come to light in a very horrible manner.

And we will all wonder how we could have sat by idle while this happened.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

WTF is idly sit by?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 11 months ago

The NDAA push is just one of many examples of us, as a society, not paying attention and not worrying about something because its not showing immediate effects.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 11 months ago

See this http://occupywallst.org/forum/hr-2989-the-latin-america-military-training-review/

Any idea how long the School of Assassins protests have been going on?

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