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Forum Post: Doesn't this show that One Party can't Win Without Cheating?

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 25, 2012, 11:49 a.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/gop-voter-fraud_n_1990104.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

GOP Voter Fraud Accusations Suddenly Blowing Up In Their Faces

Posted: 10/25/2012 10:04 am EDT Updated: 10/25/2012 10:12 am EDT

Republican officials, who have used hysteria about alleged voter fraud as an excuse to support measures that disproportionately block Democratic voters, are furiously trying to distance themselves from a growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted false applications or threw away authentic ones.

The incidents might have been overlooked if not for the GOP's clamorous campaign to restrict registration drives, purge voter rolls, roll back early voting, and pass voter ID laws that opponents point out have the effect of depressing the vote among minorities, the poor and other generally Democratic constituencies.

As one Southern California alt-weekly put it, it's turning into a story of "The Wolf Who Cried Wolf."

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter registration forms.

The manager described the man to Rockingham County sheriff's deputies, who the following day arrested Colin Small, 23, a voter registration drive contractor for the Virginia GOP -- and charged him with eight felonies and five misdemeanors related to the destruction and disclosure of the applications and obstruction of justice.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10 Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting, about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent. Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

And a viral video uploaded to YouTube in late September showed a young woman who worked for Strategic Allied Consulting registering voters in Colorado and admitting that she was only looking for Republicans. "Well, I'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we're out here in support of Romney, actually," the woman said.

Given Sproul's history, it could hardly have come as a surprise to his GOP employers that his canvassers would generate spurious applications.

And yet, because every bit of the process of voting has now become so politically supercharged, once the allegations of voter registration fraud became public, the Republican National Committee and its state chapters quickly severed their ties with Sproul.

"We've made it clear we're not doing business with these guys anymore," Sean Spicer, the RNC communications director, told Michael Isikoff of NBC News. "We've come out pretty strong against this kind of stuff -- and we have zero tolerance for this."

As for Small, who was first hired by Sproul's group, the RNC this week simultaneously denied he was working directly for them and announced that he'd been fired.

On Friday, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told HuffPost's Amanda Terkel: "If it's true, the guy should be punished. He was fired, and he should have been fired. There's no tolerance for this stuff."

Republican Party of Virginia Chairman Pat Mullins released a statement saying Small's actions were "a direct contradiction of both his training and explicit instructions given to him."

Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, by contrast, issued her own statement, calling Small's arrest just another example of "a concerted effort by the RNC and its allies to win the game by rigging it altogether."

And three Democratic congressmen from Virginia on Tuesday sent a letter to the Justice Department requesting "a multi-state investigation to determine if a pattern of voting registration irregularities related to Strategic Allied Consulting are connected and constitute a broader conspiracy of voter registration fraud."

The frequency of allegations "would seem to suggest something more than the isolated acts of 'a few bad apples,'" they wrote.

Voter registration fraud is different, way more common and considerably less threatening to democracy than actual voter fraud. Registering Mickey Mouse to vote is easy, and a far cry from actually casting a fraudulent ballot.

The main reason voter registration fraud is so common is that canvassers are sometimes rewarded based on how many applications they submit -- which can incentivize padding. That's what happened fairly frequently with Acorn, the community group that Republicans demonized as a fraud factory after it successfully registered over a million mostly inner-city residents before the 2008 election -- with some imaginary and dead people mixed in.

Priebus himself recently cited the example of Acorn to support his argument that "Democrats know they benefit from election fraud."

But Acorn, unlike Strategic Allied Consulting, actually self-reported its canvassers' suspicious applications -- which it was legally obligated to submit nonetheless. The ones from Sproul's groups, on the other hand, were spotted by election officials.

And the Colorado video, combined with the fact that the suspicious Palm Beach applications featured so many party switches, suggest that Sproul's group might have added a new wrinkle: rewarding its canvassers for applications from Republicans or independents, but not from Democrats.

What none of that explains, however, is what might have motivated Small -- who, after all, didn't submit fraudulent applications; he's charged with throwing out legitimate ones.

Because Virginia doesn't register people by party, "it's not possible to tell a party affiliation just by looking at the voter registration form," said state board of elections spokeswoman Nikki Sheridan, ruling out one potential answer.

The eight applicants varied in age, and the rural area where they live is overwhelming white, ruling out two more.

So as it turns out, although county officials won't confirm it on the record, the most likely possibility may be that Small was throwing the applications away because he'd waited longer than the statutory 15 days after he collected them to turn them in, and was afraid of getting in trouble.

Virginia's guidelines for voter registration drives clearly state that failure to turn in completed applications within 15 days can lead to prosecution for a misdemeanor.

Small, although he was released from jail not long after his arrest, could not be reached for comment.

Sheridan, from the state board of elections, said that the eight applications found in the dumpster were processed by local officials that same day.

As it turned out, three of the applicants were already registered, and one was rejected on account of a felony conviction. But four of them will now be newly on the voter rolls in November.

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[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Last repub scheme! Isn't there someone you can call in your cheating party to let them know that ALL votes should be counted? How can Repub controlled Ar take weeks to count votes when much larger states are finished in one day?

http://www.upworthy.com/people-are-getting-mad-just-because-some-state-forgot-to-count-500000-votes-what?c=upw1

Buncha cheating bastards. that's what they are!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Last repub scheme! Isn't there someone you can call in your cheating party to let them know that ALL votes should be counted? How can Repub controlled Ar take weeks to count votes when much larger states are finished in one day?

http://www.upworthy.com/people-are-getting-mad-just-because-some-state-forgot-to-count-500000-votes-what?c=upw1

Buncha cheating bastards. that's what they are!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So as the conservative WSJ says it appears these votes are largely because of voter ID requirements and appear to be affecting mainly minority (Dem?) voters.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324595904578117962771953712.html

Facts building enough for you yet?

LMFAO.

Or is it still time to be patient and stay quiet.?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

huh?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

▬►W T F U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE&feature=player_embedded

▬►Proof : republiclan voting machine fraud in OHIO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T32eRtxEiRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbnzpXvTkQ
yes – I know these are long but if you want to know what can happen
in Ohio and elsewhere – please WATCH

▬►P = A

A took social security payments
P took social security payments
A thought a woman president was unthinkable
A admired & revered child killer william hickman
P admired & recered A
A explains the morality of selfishness
P explains the morality of capitalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojrlX6rmmM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

▬►Florida insanity
http://occupywallst.org/forum/florida-proposed-constitutional-amendments-this-is/

▬►To PROSECUTE Voter Suppression: 18 U.S.C. § 241 : US Code - Section 241: Conspiracy against rights If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

▬►NYC OWS Working Group http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I can't stop finding and posting new stories on questionable vote suppressing activity.

I can't believe this is not the #1 story every night!

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

and you heard Tag whats his name
owns voting machines in Ohio?
[ not sure this is true ]
but if his family is stupid enough to "announce" elevators for cars
who knows how brazen they are?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Just a test. Did this comment get through?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

from MSNBC - 6:58PM thursday Tag is founder of Solamere Capital that owns part of Hart Intercivic - a voting machine manufacturer - that will be used in Ohio

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sen Schumers office says it is only blogged and not confirmed. but I wouldn't be surprised if they had some connection somehow.

We'll see.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

with the recent R electoral college move, I would suggest making a separate post on the nationalpopularvote
it may be our last chance

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Scooter Libby gets his voting rights back just as Repubs ratchet up the vote suppression schemes.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/01/173241762/virginia-gov-restores-scooter-libbys-voting-rights

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

With so many OWSers anti-voting or gone, I wonder if OWS will spend any effort on this. The Rs have been Machiavellian for decades on things like this.
SCOTUS looks to make it worse.
After their recent 2010 gerrymandering, it will be very hard to get ANY progressive action.
The key is to get rid of the House Rs majority.


With so many OWSers anti-voting or gone, I wonder if OWS will spend any effort on this.


[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The House R's are key. I understand R's have ensured all but 12 of their current house seats through Gerrymandering.

We need 18 or so. I think the best effort is to keep showing that these members are voting the wrong way on important issues. The VAWA was a good one, Gun control can be effective, DOMA might come up, climate change can be effective in some areas, jobs/economic issues are most potent, and voters must see that house R's are on the wrong side of important issues.

Registering more voters and fighting suppression is necessary as well.

It's hand to hand combat, desperate, and brutal.

Welcome to the war.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

EXACTLY, brother

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Pettus bridge march for voting rights.

To arms

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Good idea.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

if we voted publicly by name, everybody could verify the results

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Must stop this new effort to steal elections and suppress non repub voters (that means 3rd party voters!!!)

http://site.pfaw.org/site/MessageViewer?dlv_id=48501&em_id=35461.0

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well it IS supposed to be anonymous so the govt can't see how we voted and come after us.

But if it was Electronic we should be able to verify on line anonymously (based on some voter Id number).

Every one could go home and check especially if the election didn't go how they wanted.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Civil rights activists for solutions

http://www.advancementproject.org/

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

3rd party access threatened

http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-lose-fight-montana-senate-over-ballot-measures-051453734.html

Stop schemes to suppress the peoples vote.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

SC Repubs refuse medicaid expansion because the Pres is black?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/13/1712671/south-carolina-oppose-medicaid-race/

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I doubt that

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

third party voters were so afraid of the "republicans" winning that they voted for evil

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

morons!

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I did too. But there it is. In print!

And He is the devil too!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/obama-devil-resemblance-bible-sets-off-firestorm-140047536.html

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Too bad Florida constituents are too bought off to confront Scott with the fact that he signed this shit into law.

Have you noticed that the forum members that claim to be in Florida, never have a word to say about what Scott has been doing there?

That they are NEVER the ones to point this kind of shit out?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

In the book of GOP, only ONE vote ever needs to be counted.

As long as it's theirs.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/03/washington-d-c-lawyer-kevyn-orr-named-to-be-emergency-financial-manager-for-detroit-michigan.html

Welcome to the AIM of "States rights" .

Welcome to unheralded tyranny.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

LOL. You got that right. They cannot stem the tide of demographic trends.

In the end they will lose. We must stay focused and strong.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Stemming that "tide" is exactly what they are doing.

Effectively.

Destroying democracy, one State at a time, while the nation is hypnotized by the main act in DC, the States are falling.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're right they have been effective, States have fallen. but the tide continues. they can only delay the inevitable victory of the 99%.

We are now targeting Texas. The cheating proves they know their time is at an end.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How are you targeting Texas, and why bother with the fallen, when States around the Great Lakes are in "process"?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We are targeting Texas by getting progressives registered because it is a big electoral state. The midwest is in trouble but not lost entirely. We are still fighting for it.

It will take time to undo the gerrymandering from 2010.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Walker, Snyder, Kasish.

Ignore them and it's lost.

Michigan falls to ONE vote tyranny.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I know. We have much work to do. I haven't given up on any state.

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 1 year ago

shooz, I am a Florida forum member, and the reason I don't follow Scott or the Florida Legislature too closely is that I have nothing but complete disgust and revulsion for them. Their recent attempts to pass 11 Florida State Constitutional amendments into law (8 of them were voted down by the wise Florida electorate, thank goodness), all of which were obvious Republican efforts to cram conservative ideology into Florida government (including easing the ability of overturning FL Supreme Court decisions they don't like, and using State funds to assist churches) is very indicative of their complete disregard for basic principles upon which our so-called democracy operates. This state, despite Obama carrying it this time, is largely composed of conservative retirees, and they have a propensity for electing Republicans, and the Legislature has had both houses dominated by Republicans since 1996. So when the deck is stacked so obviously in favor of Republican conservatism, I see no value in spending a lot of time on it, except for watchdogging it occasionally when they try to pull an outrageous one like Amendment 8 (which would have removed seperation of Church/State wall).

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Don't worry Dog.

You're the exception that proves the rule..........................:)

Thanks for a cogent, informative response.

Most of your fellow Floridians around here don't do that.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We don't need no stinkin laws' protecting minority voting entitlements!!

They don't vote for us anyway.

http://theweek.com/article/index/240778/when-john-roberts-talks-congress-should-listen

Bizarro world.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Our Florida posters, don't say a word.

BTW, the link is broken.

It would appear they won.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/28/how-much-will-the-sequestration-affect-your-state-interactive-map/

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Thx. Should work now.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's been the RW plot for the last 4 years.

Ignore the actions the RW is taking in the States and say.............................LOOK!

OVER THERE!

Obama!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. True that. We did ok this last election.

I think if not for the gerrymandering that benefited so many repubs we might have taken the house. But most house votes were for Dems. Almost a million more people voted for Dem candidates than repubs.

So maybe next time.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

100+ teabagge(R)s are gone too.

That can only be a good thing.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

100+. Wow I didn't see that number. Maybe that includes state offices?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sure it does.

We had a local teabagge(R) mayor lose to a recall.

100+ this election cycle and let's work for another 200+ in the mid terms.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Definitely. I would be happy with 17 more in the House.

In fact we should be identifying which 17 House repubs are weakest now so that we might exert pressure on them to vote against Boehner in this coming session.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Another part of the good news about this, is that those who lost were almost all subscribing members of ALEC.

Spreading the truth can help at least some of the time.......................:)

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yes. I did hear that many many ALEC supporters lost. That was a very potent issue that shows people can be educated on seemingy obscure issues.

A great sign.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

ALEC hasn't gone away, so we need to keep informing people.

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well we gotta stay sharp, stay active, keep up the effort to follow their actions and inform everyone.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No doubt. In fact I thought they morphed into a new entity. I will look.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They did produce a spin off or two, but ALEC proper still very much exists and continues to perform it's GOP evils, like nothing happened.

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Do not even have to look at the link. There is fraud on both sides and if you do not know that yet, then feel sorry for you

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

When did they do anything else?

Nixon taught them well, that cheating is the only way.

Destruction of democracy and profiteering are their calling cards these days.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2012/11/michigan-republicans-move-to-privatize-public-education-under-the-guise-of-reform.html

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Damn. It doesn't end! They have no shame. They get caught & theey double down.

Sickening.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Please send me link on the Dems vote suppression, election machine rigging, because I have dozens covering many states of repub schemes.

They ain't both the same. The Dems want to expand the vote cause they appeal to all groups. Repubs want to suppress many groups cause they appear to hate many groups, except "old angry white men" as Sen Lyndsey Graham (R) said.

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

I do not have to provide any links dimwit and apparently you are not smart enough to understand anyways. You are one sided and that is what is keeping America divided.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No it is the consistent attack on the 99% by the right wing plutocrat tools that continues to divide us.

Read a book!

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

GOP plan to steal election back!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/grand-theft-election-ii-keystone-state-stories/

And let's oppose any dems doing this also!!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the election was stolen by harvard again

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Damn them all to hell!

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Yale?

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Sure, Any Ivy league'll do.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Repub activists trying to overturn progressive laws for the 99%

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/22/gop_activists_behind_troubling_new_supreme_court_cases_partner/

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

And now conservatives want to end fed oversight of southern states election laws.

We must stop this obscenity

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/supreme-court-voting-rights-act-section-5.php?ref=fpa

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the public should have oversight over the election

anyone can verify a vote cast by name

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the election is already rigged for a 2 party system

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This action in PA is seeking to create a 1 party system.

That hurts 3rd parties as well.

Much must be done to break the party duopoly, certainly preventing a party MONOpoly should be a high priority, along with creating the change the gives 3rd parties real access.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

FIX our elections

http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/voter_empowerment/?rc=homepage

please sign the petition

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I'm not going to pin the election issues on the republicans

the democrats have no interest in opening the 2 party system and losing power either

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

So Dems problems with election law means republicans shouldn't be stopped from suppressing the vote in 40 states and their electoral distribution schemes in the swing states, as well as the 3rd party freeze out of campaign/elections.

Why can't we call both corrupt parties on their problems in this regard.?

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Ok. I agree! What about the voting rights act that is now threatened by the right wing wacko supreme court.

Any thoughts on that?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I don't know what you are referring to

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

In the '60's we passed the voting rights act that provided fed govt oversight of the racist segregated southern states election laws. Because they were testing black citizens by asking "how many jelly beans in the jar, or how many bubbles on the soap" in order to get voting rights.

They still can't change their election laws without fed govt approval. They tried this past election (ending early voting, adding govt issued photo id) and the feds stopped them.

Now they have brought a case to the supreme court in order to overturn the voting rights act and the fed govt oversight of their election laws so that they can impose laws that will suppress dem votes.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/supreme-court-voting-rights-act-section-5.php?ref=fpa

Whew. Hows that?. Make sense.?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

yes, thank you

I would like to see states appoint the house of representatives

by the top vote getters among representatives in that state.

Is would end the 2 party conflict by electing state representatives by congressional district area.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Interesting. The citizenry would not choose?

I like the eventual ideal of having no representatives and every person voting for every law.

So do you have any thoughts on the Supreme court threat to voting rights in the south.?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the citixens would vote for their favored representative

all candidates would compete against each other across the state

for 2 or more representative seats in the house

in a 2 party system, both of those parties would be elected into the house

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Cool.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Between the diebold issue this and other voting fraud, we need ART5 to make voting lawfully uniform across the states. Preparatory amendmend to a general ART5 convention will include that. However proposed amendment ending the abridging of free speech will be more vital.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Stick a fork in 'em, and turn 'em over, they're just about done!

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14139-finally-the-republicans-are-afraid

[-] 0 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

Well, I've been banned from this forum four times for being pro-America so I guess it does.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Banned? Why?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

And just what were you being "pro American" about?

Canadian trade deals?

Hint, those wily Canadians are makin' out!

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[-] -1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

You're a really sick bastard.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Shhhh! We don't talk about that.

[-] -1 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

So Romney is going to win. Is the the official OWS is giving up thread?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We must keep the right wing wacko neo cons out of power. Romney cannot win! Only with cheating can he win. So we must be aware. This thread should be a place to show/discuss the facts about the reubs efforts to cheat!

[-] -1 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Romney can win . And screaming about cheating is stupid.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah we shouldn't say anything about cheating. We should let them keep minorities, students, elderly, immigrants from voting.

Just look the other way.

[-] -1 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

You just keep thinking that. Gods you are such a cliche. So are you going to riot if your master loses?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am my own master. I am against cheating and ir has been a constant battle to stop all therepub schemes. So I think we should be ok. But if there is cheating we should definitely protest and demand redress.

That's fair isn't it?. You with us? Against cheating?

[-] -3 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Of course I'm against cheating. Just today I read a story about voting machines that were rigged to vote for Obama. Maybe BOTH parties bear watching.... Just a thought

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sure. Let's see the link. Or do you remember what city/state.

Or did you make it up?

[-] -1 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Yes. Your right. Democrats would never cheat. I made it all up.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

'sok. I understand. It must be distressing for you republicans that the dems aren't cheating and your guys can't stop cheating.

But if you find evidence of dem cheating I WILL look at it.

Peace.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

More importantly it shows that the topic of conversation is this, as opposed to the huge glaring issues that are destroying the entire planet.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

There is an election in 11 days. All the 'huge glaring problems destroying the entire planet' are affected by the people we elect.

We must keep the right wing wacko neocons out of power! Elect real progressives who will deal with those 'huge problems' correctly.

So educating & discussing the right wing efforts to cheat are critical to keep the right wing from power and get progressives in office to deal with the 'huge problems'.

Understand?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But this repub admission of wanting to suppress the vote!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/republican-voter-id-scott-tranter_n_2273927.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

How could you support this!

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Maybe after your done gaming out Obama buttons you will want to hang them? That is the way you operate right?

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

If I took your stand on it we should hang them right?

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm against the death penalty.

How about you?

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Really? You sure could of fooled me, you talk out both sides of your mouth. You are full of shit on one of your statements which one is it? The death pen. Should never an option for non-violent crimes or drug crimes.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No death penalty at all!

Can't trust the justice system/govt with that power.

I've never said anything different.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Sorry you can't back away from what you said (in the future you should think before you hit post). You don't trust the justice system huh, we'll you sure want to put your justice on some people (hanging). T W I S T E D

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And your cheating republicans? no disagreement with them?

Your silence is deafening.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Your stupidity over powers it, since your memory is as bad as your compassion ill remind you one last time please right this down because I'm tried of reminding you. Anyone who breaks laws (voting, any) should stand trial (rep, dem) and a jury of thier peers should determine their fate. Not a dem hack who wants to hang them without trial (you).

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It s/b illegal for Kochs to donate anonymously. Don't you think Poddy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-raden/are-koch-brothers-behind-_b_2018805.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Ohhh please don't start donations, you couldn't afford a seat at an Obama fundraiser. So you look really stupid standing g behind that post but hey you can hang them right. -_-

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you support the Kochs anonymous donations to ush their right wing wacko extremist agenda?

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I think you look stupid pointing out them an turning a blind eye to your guy. Which is what I've pointed out many times with you. Your a hypocrite, deman the same out of your party as you do others.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The Dems are not perpetrating a massive 38 state effort to suppress the vote. Your repubs are.

You got evidence? I'll look at it.

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[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

finally a repub investigating! (forced to but eh.)

http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-cry-foul-over-voter-fraud-billboards-midwestern-001448939--sector.html

news.yahoo.com/democrats-cry-foul-over-voter-fraud-billboards-midwestern-001448939--sector.html

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You really can't stop being a hypocrite can you?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

hypocrite? in what way?

(no need for namecalling)

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And the billboards, is that illegal?

[-] 2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

According to the law no it's actually not. Just because you disagree with something doesn't make it illegal. It may be tacky, tasteless and vulgar but not illegal. I suppose you want to hang the people who put them up?

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think it is wrong for Romney to own a company that counts the votes in Ohio.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12331-romney-family-and-friends-connection-to-the-company-counting-the-vote-in-cincinnatti

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Now it appears Bain capitol has ownership in clear channel.

Is that ok with you too?

Your repubs are never wrong are they.?

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Is clear channel billboard a monopoly in that medium? And aren't they right wing wackos?

That doesn't seem right. Is that allowed?

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You are like a child with ADD, al over the place. I have no idea, what the hell you are talking about.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Maybe you just don't want to have to confront the republican schemes to steal the election?

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I think it's shows why a party hack you are to only focus on one party. Only hacks do that.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think you do.

If not you should educate yourself.

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I should educate myself on clear channels ownership of billboards? No I think I'll pass on that one, I pick my battles and that one means little to me. It sounds like your all over it.

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

No, dems are not trying to steal the election, they are just pretending to be our saviors.

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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Actually suppressing the vote IS ILLEGAL:
▬►To PROSECUTE Voter Suppression: 18 U.S.C. § 241 : US Code - Section 241: Conspiracy against rights If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Stating what the written law says (which is all the signals Techinically doe they are not illegal, if you follow the letter of the law. Trying to prove they violated the spirit would be difficult. You would have to convince normal rarIonal people it was intimidation.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

you have to prove a crime was committed.

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I'll take that as a yes.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

no sir. Against thedeath penalty, especially lynching.

You?

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Lol now I know you are full of shit, you were just fine lynching. You an zen made it very clear. So talk your two faced bullshit to someone who doesn't know the truth about you.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are delusional. What do you think about all this repub vote/election cheating.?

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Pathetic broken record, we've covered this ground. And I know you want to hang them. After you hang all of them who you will you go after next?

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

These are all new articles. We haven't gone over this. I guess as a republican plant you can't bring yourself to criticize them even when they are obviously wrong?

[-] -2 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

So you want to hang me now? Is that it? My original post answered your question about breaking the law bit you were to simple/blind to get it. Unlike you I think anyone accused of a crime deserves a trial, you want to go right to the hanging. So sorry if I don't buy your manufactured outrage.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you think they should allow anonymous political messages on billboards?

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Yes this country has no business telling people what they can put on a billboard. Freedom of speech over rides you right to not be offended. I may every word that comes out of your mouth, but I should never be allowed to stop you from saying it. Ask yourself do the people, gov. You hold up as models would they back the same statement? If not then you need to re-evaluate how you live.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Is it ok to lie, or mislead people who disagree with you politically in order to keep them from voting?

Isn't that against the law? What the billboard co. (clearchannel) is part owned (Bain) by one contender for office.?

You don't think that is low down dirty cheating?

Do you think it was right for clear channel to take down the misleading billboards, and agree to put up correct voter info billboards?

Don't you think all forms of media that use the public airwaves, space should use it for the ublic good? To inform & educate & not to mislead & suppress votes?

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

How did the billboards lie again? You don't mind when your progressives cheat, until you do you just look foolish.

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[-] 1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

This guy's banned me from this site at least three times now. He's one of "them." Which means he's not one of us.

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Point to actual evidence that they have cheated ill respond

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well this post recounts (<-- no pun intended) evidence. If you like you can address it.

Afterwards, we can discuss each of the actions attempted by the repubs in their massive 40 state effort to suppress dem votes.

ok?

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Ok read the post

40 states?

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Well if it just random chance thats a bad system and should be replaced no question but the question should be what does it matter?

so you have evidence they they have cheated in 40 states i highly doubt anyone is cheating on that much of a scale and even if they were we would know about it. Lets think of the number of people that would be involved in that type of operation if that is only taken in occur someone would have slipped up majorly and with out a doubt they would be convicted of fraud

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

no it doesn't because i see the act of individuals there is no evidence that this the party as a whole. If something like Watergate happened then yes it would be much more conclusive and the perpetrators would be prosecuted.

In both of these debates were just talking about the republican party i cant debate you on them because i cant defend the republican party. i dont support them i support some of their ideals such as free trade,technology and the response of limited federal government. But i also support many democratic ones such as health care, gay right, and woman rights.

So to force me to chose a side is not working

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

First of all i'm not a member of any party so you can drop that.

Do you know the process of counting votes? mine was in a scantron so a computer counted it. But others may not have this i do not know how they count votes i assume electronically but nothing is instant. let the story build and the facts come forward before we draw conclusions, remember patience is a virtue.

what your beef man? the more you try to prod the more i want to have a face to face chat with you to see if you still act this immaturely. Your still just a man behind a computer

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Woman, behind a computer. VQ tries to hide the fact but VQ is female. She has tried to hide it behind slang and other adjustments to speech/text pattern but not very effectively. Probably done out of fear that a female wouldn't be taken seriously.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How would you know I am a female?. Is that how you imagine me in your fantasies?

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol, funny but I don't fantasies about arguing :D

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh the face to face comment.

Seems more like a weak empty suggestion, rather than a threat. But let me assure you Danny boy will be surprised as all shit if he ever found himself face to face with me.

All that is just silly distractions from honest factbased discourse on the important issues we face.

Put the silliness aside. We need to focus on implementing progressive solutions.

Into the street with you.! We need to "come together, Right now, over me"

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Why would i be surprised

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

have you been watching "The Voice" lol :D

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why would you say I am a female?. Evidence? I know that is just an annoying detail, but You should embrace it. It makes all points stronger.

And when you think of me as a women am I in awe of your superior intellect? What am I wearing in this fantasy of yours? Do I submit to your opinion and your will?

LMFAO

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nope - not at all.

You do have periods where you provide some good information - you also have periods where you like to go on prolonged attacks of individuals even at times when they agreed with a comment or post of yours - in fact that is often what sets you off.

Like I said - I saw you going off on one of your tangents/crusades/rants/tirades again - and pointed it out.


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3780) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 minute ago

If you did then you would only be calling it a bs comment because ultimately you just felt like picking a fight.

So all of the materiel I post about real topics isn't enough to pick a bone over, you wanted to pick one based in belittlement instead because it doesn't require you to actually know anything. Splended. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Bullshit. Don't play like you have the moral highroad or some other ploy. You wanted to start something. So you did, so what. Maybe if you were more direct and forthcoming, you wouldn't hold resentment for those who aren't so self oppressed. You don't like me, big deal. Say it and move on. You wanted to start shit, you did, we carried on, the world is still spinning. If you are a dude, thicken your skin and grow a pair, it's not the end of the world drama queen.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I have not. (my daughter is signed up) Did they do that song.?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

not sure but a black chick did Dream On by Aerosmith the other night and lit the place up. It was pretty good. She had a better scream than Steven Tyler, I hope he was watching lol.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Need to get in the last word/jibe? Not a problem - consider this my last reply to you on this BS. ( your turn - have at it )


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3780) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 minute ago

lol. Man what kind of bubble do you live in. Let me go Freud on your mental image. Small cheep desk, netbook and added monitor, t-shirt, shorts, flipflops, cup of coffee, news on in the BG, and the occasional cig and news sites. Pretty lazy day here. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol. I post substance. I spoke outside of that at a time I thought appropriate and you took advantage of it. When you want to debate something of substance, feel free to jump in. Otherwise, yes please to keep on with your cheer-leading and troll battling.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL RKG LOL - I can see you standing in front of a mirror as you thunder that rant at the image of yourself.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3780) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 0 minutes ago

Bullshit. Don't play like you have the moral highroad or some other ploy. You wanted to start something. So you did, so what. Maybe if you were more direct and forthcoming, you wouldn't hold resentment for those who aren't so self oppressed. You don't like me, big deal. Say it and move on. You wanted to start shit, you did, we carried on, the world is still spinning. If you are a dude, thicken your skin and grow a pair, it's not the end of the world drama queen. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol. Man what kind of bubble do you live in. Let me go Freud on your mental image. Small cheep desk, netbook and added monitor, t-shirt, shorts, flipflops, cup of coffee, news on in the BG, and the occasional cig and news sites. Pretty lazy day here.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You have poor reading comprehension or poor reading retention or Both(?). Thimpk all of the way back to my comment on High School and being a young man taking some psychology courses. ( there you go - I am a man - BTW - we have gone over this in the past )

Depends on the woman - can't judge her by looking at her texts - I have however seen a woman get off of her cycle and knock a guy out for laughing and making fun of her. So circumstances would dictate what would happen in a face to face. Just because I might have an on-line argument with a woman would not make me change my argument ( you are however correct in that I would not pick a physical fight with a woman )

If I were to issue such an advisory ( and you know that VQ is not a woman - past conversations ) I would make sure to say something about it being uncool to threaten physical violence on a woman.

All of these things were considered when I called out your BS comment.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3778) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 7 minutes ago

Say for example that you are a dude (you've yet to clarify)

and you were threatening someone you thought was another dude, but it was actually a chick but you didn't know that. Would you continue that path if given the information that you were threatening a chick?

If you were another dude looking from the outside in, would you inform the dude that it was a chick they were threatening?

These things you did not consider when you red my comment? And you refuse to clarify your gender? I have asked all of these questions and more but you dodge them and then say I didn't ask them. Should I round up all the permalinks? Don't bother yourself, I think your game is exposed enough already. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

If you did then you would only be calling it a bs comment because ultimately you just felt like picking a fight. So all of the materiel I post about real topics isn't enough to pick a bone over, you wanted to pick one based in belittlement instead because it doesn't require you to actually know anything. Splended. Otherwise you could have just said that VQ was really a dude.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I take it that you are having one of your not ha ha funny moments.

Rant on RKG Rant on - get it out of your system.


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3776) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 0 minutes ago

Just because I don't see eye to eye with VQ, I still believe VQ to be a female and was reminding the user(DB) of such before going forward with anymore threats. I know you're a female for sure because chivalry doesn't even enter your thinking process. God you're daft. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

More supposed personal shortcomings as an attack/defense. One trick pony. Maybe instead of pretending to be dudes and acting like all the actual dudes are fucked up, you could take some pride in your gender and make it known at least. Or have you convinced yourselves that men are the authority and so subsequently belittle us for your own assumptions?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL RKG LOf'nL - you certainly are lame if you actually want anyone to believe your comment was a defense of a woman.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 0 minutes ago

Look. All I was saying is that another dude would have read that and realized I was telling another dude, "hey dude, you just threatened a chick". Now I didn't spell it out nor did I kiss VQ's ass in making it known. That you didn't see it and plus the last gender argument you took up with me, I just figured you were a chick. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

not so much of a defense of the situation as clarifying a situation. If you are a dude, thought you were threatening a man that was actually a female, would you continue once you had that information? Answer that or you too can be lame.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - you are confused ( we appear to be in agreement on that - as I think others would also find consensus with your admission of being confused ) - it shows up all the time in your comments.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 0 minutes ago

Then having made that lame statement - you try to upset me by:

lol, wait ok. So women do go through the day considering the basics of chivalry? or you are actually a dude? I'm confused. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Your response :

-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 hours ago

Woman, behind a computer. VQ tries to hide the fact but VQ is female. She has tried to hide it behind slang and other adjustments to speech/text pattern but not very effectively. Probably done out of fear that a female wouldn't be taken seriously. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

To This:

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1194) 10 hours ago

First of all i'm not a member of any party so you can drop that.

Do you know the process of counting votes? mine was in a scantron so a computer counted it. But others may not have this i do not know how they count votes i assume electronically but nothing is instant. let the story build and the facts come forward before we draw conclusions, remember patience is a virtue.

what your beef man? the more you try to prod the more i want to have a face to face chat with you to see if you still act this immaturely. Your still just a man behind a computer ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Is not even close to being a chivalrous attempt at protecting a woman. BTW - how chauvanist of you to think a woman would need you to defend her.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 58 minutes ago

Right, again with the personal shortcomings as a tool of social dictation. I pointed it out because there was physical confrontation being threatened and most guys just assume when talking to anon users on the web that they are talking to other guys, this situation seemed to me one of those. I don't really care about your psycho-patterns. Secondly, I just posted a thread that you conveniently ignored, prompting our female base to speak loud and clear and that most of us have their back, for this very same reason. Your choice to ignore that, your ignoring of the threat made to VQ, and instead imply that I am fixated says more about your issue with me than my own statement. Bug off ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Then having made that lame statement - you try to upset me by:

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 35 minutes ago

Just because I don't see eye to eye with VQ, I still believe VQ to be a female and was reminding the user(DB) of such before going forward with anymore threats. I know you're a female for sure because chivalry doesn't even enter your thinking process. God you're daft. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

You have issues RKG - you should see someone about them __________ [-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 5 minutes ago

Show me where it was used as a weapon, or rather what particular gender related comment I made that offended you. I think thats more the crux of it. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Look. All I was saying is that another dude would have read that and realized I was telling another dude, "hey dude, you just threatened a chick". Now I didn't spell it out nor did I kiss VQ's ass in making it known. That you didn't see it and plus the last gender argument you took up with me, I just figured you were a chick.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Then having made that lame statement - you try to upset me by:

lol, wait ok. So women do go through the day considering the basics of chivalry? or you are actually a dude? I'm confused.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

So I was attacking her and defending her?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do not care if you think I am a man or a woman. It is funny that you think I should. More funny is that you seem to want to use such as a weapon - while espousing that you are not.

Go lay down for awhile RKG your synapses are obviously overheated and misfiring.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3776) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 10 minutes ago

Shit house crazy is to disguise your gender because you don't believe enough in that which you tout. You can stop brow beating me on behalf of your own internal conflict any time now. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Show me where it was used as a weapon, or rather what particular gender related comment I made that offended you. I think thats more the crux of it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You can be shit house rat crazy at times RKG. Go ahead and lance that psychic boil - drain that psychic puss.


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3776) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 minute ago

More supposed personal shortcomings as an attack/defense. One trick pony. Maybe instead of pretending to be dudes and acting like all the actual dudes are fucked up, you could take some pride in your gender and make it know at least. Or have you convinced yourselves that men are the authority and so subsequently belittle us for your own assumptions? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Shit house crazy is to disguise your gender because you don't believe enough in that which you tout. You can stop brow beating me on behalf of your own internal conflict any time now.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am a bit concerned about your current fixation. What does it matter - who is a man and who is a woman? Both should have equal rights. Both should have equal standing.

Hey - you might find this interesting and others who have gender problems/issues will likely have something inappropriate to say.

Back in High School as a young man - I took some psychology classes. Part of the class/course structure was to examine who we ( the students ) were as individuals. Long story - short - in one of the exams - I was found to have fairly equal empathy for ( what was at the time considered ) male and female traits or to put it in another way - I was found to be strongly in touch with my female side - see that is another thing about psychology - it looks at each individual as not one thing and not another thing ( not black and white ) - but as a mixture of things - everyone containing all things - but in different proportions - mixes. My teacher chose to interpret this finding - as - that I was well balanced.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Right, again with the personal shortcomings as a tool of social dictation. I pointed it out because there was physical confrontation being threatened and most guys just assume when talking to anon users on the web that they are talking to other guys, this situation seemed to me one of those. I don't really care about your psycho-patterns. Secondly, I just posted a thread that you conveniently ignored, prompting our female base to speak loud and clear and that most of us have their back, for this very same reason. Your choice to ignore that, your ignoring of the threat made to VQ, and instead imply that I am fixated says more about your issue with me than my own statement. Bug off

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - RKG

Just when did you become so noble so chivalrous?

I mean - YOU - YOURSELF - have in the past made some pretty nasty attacks on women contributors to this forum - I do believe you were banned for it at one time.

Nope your whole thing commenting to DB was you aiming a slight at VQ - it was not a defense of a woman in trouble. You have played your gender game before. GROW-UP.


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3781) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 54 minutes ago

Just because I don't see eye to eye with VQ, I still believe VQ to be a female and was reminding the user(DB) of such before going forward with anymore threats. I know you're a female for sure because chivalry doesn't even enter your thinking process. God you're daft. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

More of the same. A little more subtle but it's still another "something is wrong with you" line. Answer the question. Where did I use gender as an attack, you can't just skip past the evidence part. Or you could identify the particular comment I made and what about it upset you. You are avoiding those questions because this isn't about the given reason it's what they call a baseless attack. one trick pony.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What??? Where did that come from? U R so funny at times RKG. And not always the ha ha funny.


[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3776) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 0 minutes ago

Apparently you equate equality with agreement which is flawed thinking. I'm a southern Democrat, I'm sorry you've never run in to my kind but thats just how it is. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Just because I don't see eye to eye with VQ, I still believe VQ to be a female and was reminding the user(DB) of such before going forward with anymore threats. I know you're a female for sure because chivalry doesn't even enter your thinking process. God you're daft.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

A "threat made to me"?. Who is threatening me.?

I will beat them bloody! I will tear off their head and shit down their neck! Who?

Who is threatening me?

Heh heh. I'm playin' but I would like to know what threat you are referring to.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/doesnt-this-show-that-one-party-cant-win-without-c/#comment-876737

Bottom line of the comment. You replied to it, hardly see how you missed it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL RKG LOL.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Apparently you equate equality with agreement which is flawed thinking. I'm a southern Democrat, I'm sorry you've never run in to my kind but thats just how it is.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Thats a weird thought

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

So your really taking heat for this comment

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I have no problem with your ongoing exchange with VQ - I was just calling out RKG on his BS. You and VQ carry on with your exchange - I have no problem with the two of you arguing with each-other.


[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1197) 1 minute ago

honestly who gives a shit i treat everyone the same ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

ok thanks DK carry on with your business and ill carry on with mine

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No prob.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Right, no problem with threatening to show up to meat someone physically, uninvited, and under the terms


what your beef man? the more you try to prod the more i want to have a face to face chat with you to see if you still act this immaturely.


so long as it's an opportunity to try to make something out of nothing with this guy that you don't like. Well shit hoss, just come out and say it. You don't like me. Big pussy just say it, don't make excuses.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm forget to refill/take your prescriptions?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Man DK is flipp'n the fk OUT! on me. :D

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No you flipped out - and I have been showing everyone how you flipped out. You and DB have a thing going with VQ. You jumped onto a comment made by DB in support of his comment ( in your thinking ). I just asked about your apparent fixation with gender ( apparent as you already know that VQ is a guy ) then you try to use the same lame gender attack on me when I question your 1st use of it on VQ. You have issues with gender or you just like to use it as an attack. Either way RKG you have issues.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

honestly who gives a shit i treat everyone the same

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Now that is some spin. I applaud anyone who can read that and glean the same. I think something about gender in general strikes a nerve with you and that is why this is the second most drawn out debate we've had in a row about gender. The first being about circumcision. Maybe you should post a thread about whatever gender issue that pisses you off. I'm a southern Democrat, was raised by a Strong Conservative mother, my friends growing up looked like a commercial for Sesame Street. I'm pretty confident in myself and respect for others so your attempts at belittling me (practices of a narcissistic personality) won't have much of an impact here.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No attempt at belittling by me RKG - just me calling out your BS.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3778) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 minute ago

Now that is some spin. I applaud anyone who can read that and glean the same. I think something about gender in general strikes a nerve with you and that is why this is the second most drawn out debate we've had in a row about gender. The first being about circumcision. Maybe you should post a thread about whatever gender issue that pisses you off. I'm a southern Democrat, was raised by a Strong Conservative mother, my friends growing up looked like a commercial for Sesame Street. I'm pretty confident in myself and respect for others so your attempts at belittling me (practices of a narcissistic personality) won't have much of an impact here. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Ummm forget to refill/take your prescriptions?

one trick pony

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

You didn't answer the question.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

no idea why he is defending VQ

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You would be surprised because as always you are wrong about me. As you are wrong about most things you comment on.

You are just all kindsa wrong!

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

LMFAO! <------ oops there I go again. Ha!

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'd say it's a chick thing but hell maybe they aren't chicks. Either way, this reply is going to invoke more DK storm clouds, I have no doubt. Man I'm about to fall right out of my chair LMAO!!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Not defending VQ - just confronting gender attack BS.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28488) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U did not ask one.


[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3778) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 10 minutes ago

You didn't answer the question. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Say for example that you are a dude (you've yet to clarify) and you were threatening someone you thought was another dude, but it was actually a chick but you didn't know that. Would you continue that path if given the information that you were threatening a chick? If you were another dude looking from the outside in, would you inform the dude that it was a chick they were threatening? These things you did not consider when you red my comment? And you refuse to clarify your gender? I have asked all of these questions and more but you dodge them and then say I didn't ask them. Should I round up all the permalinks? Don't bother yourself, I think your game is exposed enough already.

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

So finally you admit it you hate the republican party. I'm pretty sure if they cheated Romney would be president elect instead of losing.

I support voter ID laws you know this

yes i think it is concerning considering not all votes are counted and thats why i think we should vote on Monday and count recount the votes and the final tally on Friday. to ensure all votes are counted. To expect 121,747,434 votes to be counted in one day is a high task and if the task was spread to multiple days we would not have major problems or issues.

I know you have a problem with me, I've know for awhile that's your beef

also do you know what LMFAO means because your misuse of it is surprising

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Name a time i insulted you.

are you so blind to your own post that you have done on this post alone

Why don't go to dictionary.com & plug in the word mr internet generation.

LMFAO <------ oops there I go again laughin at your sorry ass!

Isn't there someone you can call in your cheating party

that's all insulting and lies. I am not a member of the republican party.

to add i have not lied about any fact or story an i don't plan on lying about any of them. I stated facts and you said they are no good since i am untrue person. i gave you sources you said they are fake since im an untrue person. Anytime i ask for a source you say that you don't need to since you are a true person.

Peace and good luck with all your efforts

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

tolerance is a very broad word so i was confused on what you meant because we could have tolerance or forced to be tolerant.

No honestly you do have a problem with me you lie about me insult me and say you are the civil one. Stop being a sorry bitter person accept other idea that are not your own step in other shoes you might learn something.LIke i have always stated read what you don't want to read journals that insult you make you question all that you have been taught.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

its laughing my fucking ass off, I'm the from the internet generation we invented most of those slang abbreviations when we were AIMing each other.

We didn't fight off the republicans on there cheating schemes because there was no schemes to begin with.

Explain what you mean about tolerance

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

alright you know why, whenever i say tolerate something its negative so i was wondering if you meant that in a negative way. I tolerate you i do not like you nor do i think you are smart or well informed. I think you make irrational thoughts based on other peoples ideals. I don't see a single original thought from you. I see ideas that high school students have come up with. The fact is i think you dont know a thing on how to help the 99%

Ive never been or ever will be in a political party since there is none that is fit for me. Call me what you want but its untrue and based on zero facts.

So i have a suggestion for you unplug your computer and throw it out the window and go help you neighbors with sandy instead of being inside doing nothing but arguing with no facts, no data and no idea how more complex this is than you can conceive.

Im done with you

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

From what I can tell he gets most, if not all, his 'facts' from MSM. It's clear when you read his comments. All MSM-based.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

i cant help myself at all. One of my pet peeves is people spreading false data and lies. when i see it i have to step in i guess it part of the ethics i have been taught.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I have to agree. I absolutely can't stand liars. Once exposed, you can't believe another word they say. Which is why I'm boggled that lying has become so 'acceptable' nowadays. It doesn't bode well for society.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yeah which is so wonderful of a news place

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yeah. Then if you take that MSM brainwashing, and the fact that he's not too bright, well, you see what you get. Arrogant and clueless. Man, what a combo! It's absolutely impossible to get thru to him. Many have tried, all have failed. I rarely bother with him (total waste of time), but every now and then, I can't help myself.

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No i find it funny that you take everything so personal. But you tell us all the time that you got to retire at 41 and raised a daughter.you bring in the personal.

Fuck teachers......really why is that are they a scheme to make certain kids fail.

Ill play how you play and thats with no rules

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No no one does i can tell why your teachers had such a hard time with you in school

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Your the one making it a big deal not me,

Teachers lets talk about teachers

You seem to have strong feelings there why?

I have strong feelings there to since my sister is a teacher she a degree in elementary education(k-6) and special needs. I will be getting most of my facts from her so my responses will be delayed since i will have to email her every response except if i feel i know the subject well enough.

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

I know you struggled through high school and almost didnt graduate also your comment fucking teachers i found shocking.

So ill ask in a better tone how do you feel about teachers in this nation as a whole?

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

you still said it, i dont but you told me you struggled in school and most blame the school system or the teachers.

i agree that they are underpaid and overworked

i dont agree with the tax thing since i think all should be taxed

[+] -4 points by VQkaq2 (-21) 1 year ago

My comment "fuck teachers" meant you're suggestion that my teachers had a hard to with me was inappropriate. Not about teachers. I think teachers are overpaid & underworked. They should be excluded from power grabbing unions

So why would you suggest inappropriately that my teachers had a hard time with me. You don't know me, or my yeacher interactions.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Anyone who has been on here any length of time knows you all too well VQkag.

~Odin~