Forum Post: Does anyone care that Google violates anti-trust laws by adjusting bid prices and giving all the business to its favorite partners?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 1, 2011, 10:50 p.m. EST by joe100
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To be honest, I haven't been keeping up with the Occupy Movement as much as I should. Ironically, i've been so busy working I haven't had time. NOW PROBLEMS AT WORK HAVE SOMEHOW BROUGHT ME TO THIS SITE. I'm a business owner and seem to be having the problems stated in this post. I posted this problem with Google Here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?tid=356c21371593bf3d&hl=en . I have no idea what I can do about it.
My best wishes that this movement creates major change in the way things are done in society.
GOD BLESS
I know EXACTLY what you mean Sam. I just read your post at the Google forum and the corporate replies are so terribly predictable. Makes a brotha wanna join the Occupy movement now!
I've never been one to protest corporate America, but what it seems Google is doing with their power is downright wrong. I know many business owners who have similarly and unfairly received the short end of the Google search engine stick. These business owners have poured their heart and soul into their work only to seemingly have their opportunities snuffed out by one-sided business practices.
I'm glad there is a voice out there for positive change. That being said "Occupy FTW".
What to do against greedy Internet saurians?
The Internet is guzzled by greedy Internet saurians. Their names are like Googles and Apples. But what is the feed of these Internet saurians? Yes, it's their ads, which make the money for them! So how can you, the user, stop it? Cut off the flow of money? Do not feed the saurians any more?
There is an instrument for that purpose out on the Internet universe. It is called AdblockPlus in, in short ABP. You'll find it at http://adblockplus.org Just click on "Install Adblock Plus" to integrate it in your Firefox or Chrome Browser (there are actually some more uncommon browsers which will work too).
So ABP is the ideal instrument to cut the feed for the greedy Internet saurians off. But one should use this instrument with care. The small and medium Internet business exist from ads too. And we should not cut their feed off! That kind of population is needed for a healthy Internet environment. So if you use ABP just in the standard way, using one of the already available filterlists, you should carefully check who's feed you cut off. And you should establish a lot of exceptions for websites form small and medium enterprises.
Therefore it is best, to do it the other way round: do not use any of the available filterlists and create your own filters. The main purpose of such filters then is not the blocking of ads, but to cut off the flow of money to the greedy Internet saurians. To cut the money of the Googles we need just two filter lines:
Believe it or not, but these two lines will cut off the cash flow to google! Maybe someone else can add some more lines for the other greedy Internet saurians ...
Plaintiff wants not just money, Plaintiff wants to play. Plaintiff respectfully requests his rights be enforced according to the patent laws of the USA as soon as possible so he can play now.
^^^ Nice. I take it that you went through all of this without a lawyer because it cost too much. This must have been a nightmare.
AND - ALL of my attorneys, from the very beginning were working for the VC and google against me. EVEN MY VERY first attorney in 1999. Three different firms delayed my patent for 7 long years. So that's why I didn't have an attorney at first, but hired one during the case when the court asked me to. The court told specifically that they "highly recommended" I get an attorney.
At the patent office, the patent examiner said to me:
"Those attorneys are not working in your best interests"
I only got the patent finally issued when I fired the attorneys and represented myself with the USPTO.
So after 10 years of fraud by attorneys, and they had my money already, I was afraid to trust any attorneys.
Every SINGLE high priced patent law firm was trying to rip me off. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Only when I found a lone practitioner lawyer, a woman who was honest, did I hire an attorney for the case.
But she also charged $450/hr - and so refused helping me after I couldn't pay anymore.
Thats why i think the entire American judicial system will be overhauled in the next several years. Most people think the judicial system is the only way it can be, and can't change, but it has to change.
The lack of the justice in the courts is the single biggest reason Occupy and the 99% is in such current position of having no money.
When the govt game bailout money to the car companies, if someone sued the govt and won, then things would have changed.
The heart of this entire 99% matter starts and ends with the justice system, not the politicians, not the abusing police. The judges and attorneys are supposed to be the balance of justice. Instead they are puppets for the govt, police, and corporations.
Many people cannot afford a lawyer. It is very difficult to navigate through the system. It seems to me that there is almost a language barrier. In the very same way that you could try to explain what it is that you do, to people that know nothing about it, and receive a blank stare. There is a very good reason that many courts do not want people to represent themselves. They cannot do so effectively. Yet, at the same time, they cannot get the representation that they need.
That's probably one of the least "legal-ease" lines I wrote - I did have a lawyer for citing cases and two critical pleadings. I wrote everything else. But one lawyer looked at my original complaint and asked me:
"Who helped you with the original complain?" I said: "No one"
She asked me: "Did you go to law school?"
I said "No."
She said, "Wow, this is pretty good."
These were her exact words.
I completely out argued the best lawyers Google could hire, and did so in using proper legal language - A seldom few times, like the sentences you quoted, was I "out of line" with regular legal pleadings. But my stuff was good. After going through that I am pretty competent at writing legal pleadings for patents and copyright cases.
My attorney told me I was not getting a fair shake, and that all my arguments were strong. I know the law, and how to cite law. She helped cite other cases.
But I did find out somethings - for example, there is no prior art. No one else in human history invented anything like this before me. Google had no prior art of any kind.
And there is a legal precedent about what any "reasonable judge would do" - I don't recall the exact legal language now - but ANY reasonable JUDGE in the ENTIRE World, can see that Google infringes according to my arguments. That's not from me.
All of the arguments Google came up with were ridiculous. The only reason the judge sided with them: 1) govt told them to 2) I din't have a "normal" legal team - my team was me and my one lawyer.
In the end the case was dismissed for "failing to state a claim" which is like saying they don't understand what I wrote, and that it had mistakes. There was never any specific reason the case was dismissed, just a general reason of "failing to state a claim".
Everything I was taught about the United States of America, and the US Supreme Court in DC is completely FALSE today.
And the courts violated US Patent law and US Constitutional law in several ways, including dismissing without discovery, and without a trial.
They just threw it out, like I don't matter.
I have plans for a reckoning. The judges and attorneys will be disbarred and arrested. It ain't over.
But yeah, it was a complete nightmare.
I had already invested $2 million into my startup that created the system, and I only needed another $1 million to get my billions, and I couldn't find any investment, and I was not able to be make that kind of money, while working on the legal cases.
The attorneys are charging $500/hr to $750/hr, while I am earning $100/hr. How can anyone pay?
I think the entire legal system will be completely changed over the next several years. The private club of attorneys and judges will be broken forever. I am not the only one getting cheated.
There will be a revolution, the system will change, and judges and attorneys will go to prison. I am not saying that cause I am mad and upset and just shouting things. I really think it MUST happen, just part of human society evolution. People are not going to take it anymore. Not just me, everyone.
Thanks for reading, I appreciate it.
Please don't take this the wrong way. I enjoyed the least legalized wording that you have. :D
I ran a search on your case. I can see right about the time that you got slammed (04/28/2009) http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-york/nysdce/1:2008cv10121/335841/ and it is a shame that you did not have a lawyer to file because it probably would not have been as much of a nightmare to navigate. I wish you the best of luck. I really do.
Thanks.... I think that Gd has a plan, and we are all part of it. So maybe I am not allowed to have my money and have the credit and fame, unless I change the legal system, help everyone, and take the impoverished with me.
I have now experienced what the 99% have experienced. Without this experience, I might never have understood the real fascist America we live in.
So that's how I take it.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR READING -
The Sherman Act of 1890 makes bid rigging illegal under U.S. antitrust law. Bid rigging is a felony punishable by fines, imprisonment or both.
Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bid-rigging.asp#ixzz1fLYTuoer
Does anyone really believe that there is a need for anti-trust laws?
You don't understand what anti-trust laws are about, obviously. Suppose you bid $5 for a stock, but they change your bid to $4.50 in their system, and you miss out on buying the stock, would that be ok?
Suppose there was an ebay auction, and you bid $100 for something, and then ebay changes your bid to $80, and you don't get your purchase, and then ebay lets one of their favorite partners get the item for $100 even though they bid after you?
You think that's cool?
Study up on anti-trust laws - I am quite sure you don't understand that there are various kinds of anti-trust laws.
Well I don't consider that anti-trust. That's fraud. Unless of course it's in the terms of service in which case I wouldn't do business with them once I found out. I'm no fan of Google but I don't see how that relates to anti-trust. My understanding of the term anti-trust is that it relates to the establishment of a monopoly.
I looked it up for you and everyone else. I thought this was common knowledge - common to me I guess...
No - those are anti-trust laws, regardless of what you consider them to be. monopoly is one of the anti-trust laws, adjusting bids is another violation of anti-trust laws. I am not going to look it up for you, you can do it on your own. look up the anti-trust laws yourself. You can do it!
And yes, its fraud too....
Thanks. I wasn't aware of the broader scope of the definition. You learn something new every day. I think that's sketchy what they're doing don't get me wrong but I think it's up to the consumer to refuse to do business with them, not some government agency. But agree to disagree. I understand your frustration. I'm no fan of many of the things that Google does.
Its against the law in the US, but they control the judges and the attorneys - so they can commit crimes. And the consumer doesn't know - that's the problem. And in the US, it's a felony - they should be put in prison. They are stealing money from small business and individuals. Stealing is a crime for sure. And it is for sure stealing... But thanks !!!! we didn't argue rudely like a bunch of idiots - so many people argue rudely. This is supposed to be an exchange of ideas where we all learn, like you said. I wish some of the others start to understand the point of the forums.
In the name of 'national security' you can do whatever you wish, and thus google/nsa now has all the judges in ameriKKKa in its pocket. Because what is good for google is good for national-security ( big-brother ).
Lastly google has been robbing people for 15 years and nobody seemed to care yesterday.
The real question, but this is a rhetorical question because I know the answer is why does ALL OWS nationwide use facebook, twitter, google, yahoo, ... all the big FASCIS FORTUNE 100 websites that all track your IP, and log your habits and its all monitored by DHS.
My opinion is that OWS is a honey-trap and it forwards everyone to honey-pots', I'm not sure if you all know this but every time you link to a site mentioned on OWS that where you go knows where you came from, thus all this dumb youtube shit its all monitoring you came from OWS. Everything you do on YOUTUBE is monitored by dozens of government agency's for that matter you can't even use your phone without them knowing everything about you.
If OWS were run by real anarchists then why wasn't everything set up anonymous, and using non corporate tools in the first place?
adbusters is a much part of the google team as any other fascist running OWS.
I am taking Google down. they stole my company, and all of their profts of from my company. The revolution wont be televised, but it will be streamed http://www.oneredpill.com I am neo.
Joe, at the very least make a fucking club,
Like I said from the bottom of my hearth, I saw google robbing people left&right back 15 years ago, and nobody ever brought them to court and shut them down. I can't think of any company in history that grew so quick, and law enforcement chose to ignore the law in their favor.
Google first BULLSHIT was "DO NO HARM, DO NO EVIL", today GOOGLE is as EVIL as the US government, but then many us already know that they're on in the same.
In summary organize with other people who have been fucked, but the problem is that google server's will drop you from the search engine, if in fact you talk truth about their gig. So there is NO HOPE of accomplishing anything on the NET, as google is the fucking way other angry people find your shit.
For those that haven't been around the way google was to fuck was change your contract without your permission under their rule that you had to opt-out of any term, but they never told you about the change until you saw the bill, saw my adwords budget go up from $100 to $10,000 / month in the 1990's, after that I simply killed by adwords problem solved, I never let anyone fuck me twice. Guys like you who stay with google, and expect tomorrow to be different are clinically insane, by definition of repeating behavior and expecting new results, googles biz is to fuck&rob, NEVER play with them and you'll lose no money.
look - I am the inventor of AdWords - they stole it from me. I went to court - all the way to the US Supreme Court in DC. They paid of the judges, they paid off my own attorneys, they had the supreme court told that they should dismiss. They dismissed the case without discovery and without a trial. Now I am going to arrest the entire Google management team. I started the Internet Agency of Economic Justice. I trained as a private security officer - so if a felony is done in my presence I can make an arrest. 99% of google's money is derived from the copyright infringement and patent infringement of my software in 1999, both me and google both had $100k in the bank and 10 employees. The VCs didn't like me cause I was not the greed type. I am starting a militia, and I am going to take em down.
Want to see the case files?
Want to see the invoice where my computer was confiscated by a US govt agency beyond UPS control?
Here are the links to the case files:
http://www.guardloan.com/content/
http://www.guardloan.com/content/WritOfCertiorari.pdf
http://www.guardloan.com/content/Appendix-i.pdf
http://www.guardloan.com/content/Appendix-iii.pdf
http://www.guardloan.com/content/Appendix-ii.pdf
I am the premier and number one expert in the world on AdWords, I invented it. It was originally called the Lead Option Engine.
My attorneys gave them the technology 18 months after I had invented it. They started AdWords in fall of 2000. So it's been 11 years, not 15 years. Google started in 1998 - well that's when people started using it.
But few people at occupy believe the truth, and most don't care.
And the fact is, Google is one of the HUGE reasons why all these Occupy protestors are here. If I would have been able to keep my company, I would have set up wealth distribution systems for the people, instead of being the big corp greed kind of person - that's why I got kicked out of the VC club, and was blackballed.
Watch the streams - I will be making arrests. Just like the bounty hunter on TV
ok, so you know the gig, ... but you can't fight them, they'll kill you, don't you this?
I have seen too many guys like you die, in my lifetime,
Fight for what? It's better to bail and start a life new elsewhere,
What a waste of a life to be surrounded by attorney's and sitting in a courtroom of judges, the biggest fuckheads in ameriKKKa life is too short, why are you doing this to yourself? Money for what when your dead? Just the satisfaction of winning?
Hasn't anybody told you that this is a 'lose - lose' courtroom battle, don't use its only the lawyers and courts that want the meter to run, cuz this is their game your funding?
Don't play their game, run with your life, before they kill you.
You have a very good point. I am trying to decide if I should let them all get away with it... or not and risk it.... I am just not sure... but your advice is good advice... I am not going back to the courts - that's just a waste of time. But I am not sure I can live with them ripping me off like that, and doing nothing, and not fighting, it's not my nature to just to walk away....
You make a lot of sense....
That's not antitrust. That's contract law - offer and acceptance.
This is the first comment of this post: The Sherman Act of 1890 makes bid rigging illegal under U.S. antitrust law. Bid rigging is a felony punishable by fines, imprisonment or both.
it's amazing how few people know this...
Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bid-rigging.asp#ixzz1fLYTuoer
What you mentioned is not bid rigging. That's performance failure after offer made and accepted.
No, it's bid rigging. Exactly Bid rigging. If someone goes to google, bids $5.00 and someone else bids $5.00, (for leads), there is a quality score, and that quality score CHANGES THE BID. One person's bid counts as $4.75, and the other person's bid counts as $5.25, for example
Any more questions?
So anyone can engage in bid rigging? By my mere click of the mouse I have rigged a bid?
Google engages in the bid rigging, not the users. Google sets the quality score. the bid rigging is not done by the click of the mouse, it's done before that. When the leads show up on the right... Suppose there are 8 leads on the right - do you know how those leads get there? They get there based on the bids, or maximum price, which is a type of bid, and then Google presets the quality score per customer, and the quality score changes the bid.
So some customers are kept out, and there info does not show up as one of the 8, because of quality score.
There is a full explanation here:
http://www.guardloan.com/content/WritOfCertiorari.pdf
Have you ever signed up with AdWords and used it as a vendor? If you do, then you will understand how it all works.
let us have convictions and then hangings!
I never said I wanted to kill anyone. Just arrest them is fine. what's wrong with convictions? Do you work for google?
that's just silly . . .
Do I look like I work for google?
Nice beard!!!! I have a Karl Marx beard!!! and am ready to arrest people as well! Nice pic - thanks for sharing dude....
Hey, no sweat.
And the pic is [click]able!
I heard somebody say this in a documentary film: "humans have the unique ability to disregard truth if the truth is disturbing" i think I will make a post of that, and see if it gets any response. Reading yours site made me think of it.
Yeah - it's called denial
it's not a river in Egypt,
and repelicans are full of it!
I can't wait to read your post. Save this link:
http://occupywallst.org/users/ZenDog/
and then send me a note when it's posted. I'd like to read it.
"If I had the means I would form a posse. We would have a bounty, and for every volunteer - a 50 cal. " I am doing just that!!!!! For real!!!
Lets cut to the fucking chase here.
GOOGLE is allowed to violate the law and run amuk for one fucking reason, they're a sandbox and a honey-trap ran by CIA/NSA in return for access to everyones email and internet habits the NSA has now mapped out the interests and opinions of virtually every industrial person in the world.
In exchange for letting the NSA/CIA over-lord the GOOGLE servers worldwide, the US GOVERNMENT has turned a blind-eye to all all enforcement.
Lastly I might add that their is a reason that GOOGLE, FACEBOOK, and TWITTER are banned in China and blocked, because that government knows what is going on.
You are right about this.... I know first hand. And I even hired a chinese law intern to write out what happened in Chinese.