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Forum Post: Direct Action - Proposal before the committee: A Demonstration of Tongues

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 11:57 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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I have heard it said that corporations have some inherent right to free speech. I do not believe this is so. Toward that end I suggest a demonstration. Would all those who believe corporations have some inherent right to free speech raise their hands?

To you, with hands raised: I suggest we rip out your tongues. Rip them out! And not with some well honed blade - oh no not at all.

But with a pair of pliers and a good, stiff yank!!

This should not adversely impact your right to free speech, will it. No it will not, not if you are possessed of sufficient education to read and to write. While it may disable your ability to speak, it will do nothing about your ability to engage in speech? After all, by your own system of belief, a tongue is not requisite to engage in speech!!

If you are not possessed of sufficient education to read and to write then I would suggest we show mercy, such as we have, for surely you deserve far better education from public hands than this would surely seem to indicate. And who are we, after all, if not the public?

I say we must surround those who would assume the public stage and proclaim corporations have inherent rights to free speech and scream:

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Corporations do not have tongues!

Corporations do not have tongues!

Corporations do not have tongues!

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Let them then contemplate carefully a life lived tongueless. Who can say that they might not be driven mad by the din of our voices raised up in rage and the contemplation of all that they fear.

Do we have consensus on the proposal before the committee? Can we have a temperature check with a showing of jazz hands?

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

wb I hardly knew ya, looking forward to hearing about your thinking on things, but what is "BWA"? I'm not so up on the such things.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so ZD was the name a fluke, or have you seen the NOVA?

you know dog is god spelled backwards and all

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So many were looking for you when I first came to the site that I actually visited your site and had read some of your stuff.

The Nova I refer to was a recent one where through DNA they showed, first that dogs are from wolves and that they were domesticated around 100,000 years ago not 10,000 as previously thought. This changes everything if you think on it a bit, but this is not that sort of site so I may have said too much already.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I respect that those who set up the site don’t want people pushing particular spiritual views, I respect that, but from time to time I find myself brushing into it.; I don’t think I should get off into “meaning of life” stuff here, but away from here I admit most the folks I talk to are talking that sort of thing.

I will venture this, I think we focus on how we affect the things around us, we imagine ourselves to be unchanging, I don’t think that is actually true. How could a “pet” affect us? It’s madness I say! (or really I don’t)

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It took me six years training and a moment of clarity, I share with those who have prepared, not that you haven’t, I haven’t written anywhere about this yet, don’t know if I will, the thought is still evolving.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

through DNA we now know that wolves were made into dogs some 100,000 years ago, and that people developed the ability to drink milk in the last 10 to 15 thousand, I like to keep my eyes open, never know when you will see something important...

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't have the PhD in the field what I'm telling you is what them that do have agreed on about the dogs and all there are ways look for the NOVA it takes an hour to explain it all, the thing about milk just proves that we are indeed still changing...

I don't want to be so cryptic, but what I see goes against almost everything we have been taught for generations, so I am not quick to start attempting the defense of such ideas here where more settled things like the rich are too damn rich should be discussed.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I would never ever bump a post.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if zendog can return, why not you?

why, oh why??

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

me either - it just seems

  • wrong
[-] 0 points by capella (199) 2 years ago

you just bump and grind, girlie.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22359) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you just don't have a pair of pliers handy, or are slightly squeamish. Sign a petition.

Here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-take-money-out-of-politics-here/

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

If the people would smarten the fuck up and create something on their own, instead of waiting for solutions to magically appear, it wouldnt matter what the corps do with campaign donations.

That being said, Im for leveling the playing field of campaign finance.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

gimme the pliers!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

gimme the pliers!!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

maybe I'm naive

but it seems corporate website suck up unnecessary bandwidth and are driving away costumers

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

that band width may well be the result of data mining tools - tracking trends in the market place of ideas.

When enough people don't like something, they retool: the message, the product, or discontinue the product altogether.

Twitter was an important tool in Iran not long ago.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

it's a result of the old van guard surfing on the super connected super computer

telling the video game generation turned marketing to go nuts in flashy over weighted design

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I'm sure it serves a purpose - the old van guard probably is invested in high end bandwidth services . . . everything from the latest chips to the fastest connections and fiber optic production facilities . . . .

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

which maybe why they don't see bandwidth problems on their websites

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

What I meant was they may have invested in the production and marketing of the tech to access their high end site -

never mind.

And I still say twitter can be a very useful tool if people choose to use it - it is entirely theoretical, but I am certain we would see results.

What kind is hard to predict . . .

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

great for writing haiku

https://twitter.com/Matt_Holck

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I'm still trying to figure twitter

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the mountain can come to me

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

the mountain can come to me

What an interesting statement. What mountain would apparently stand in defiance of the laws of physics?

Is this a reflection of ego, or a statement of fact?

Such a statement is an invitation to curiosity, and therein lies a subtle caution.

Let the cat beware . . .

Fortunately, I am no cat . . .

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

chaos is coming!!

tweet that

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Success will be known by the behavior of people like Mitt Romney, who will never again say flatly:

Corporations are people too

He knows they are not. They are networks of people, legal fictions, and he knows he has lied. He will know all of us know, that he knows he lied. It was plainly evident in the way he said it.

How would you feel, standing before an audience, knowing that some or even all of them know you have lied . . .

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

If Corporations Have Tongues

Let Us Pierce Them

tweet that!

[-] 1 points by gvandalay (2) 3 years ago

Let's review OWS. The average age is 44. The average demo is white males with Bachelor's or Masters. Most are employed and make over $50,000 per year. These are not the disadvantaged. How about the sexual assualt, murder, rape, overdosing, drug use, destryong local small businesses, defacating and urinating all over the place. How about the lack of ability to state the goal? OWS is nothing more than a group of people wanting to get together, hang out, get stoned and get laid. Good luck! You are having no impact.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Tweet that.

BWA * hahaha HA* ha haha!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Corporations do not have opposable thumbs!!

Corporations do not have tongues!!

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 9 months ago

BWA hahaha

[-] 0 points by PoIemarchus (56) 2 years ago

I have heard it said that corporations have some inherent right to free speech. I do not believe this is so. Toward that end I suggest a demonstration. Would all those who believe corporations have some inherent right to free speech raise their hands?

I fail to understand this type of thinking.

What does it matter what people believe? What's the point of asking people to raise their hand in an attempt to create a poll on the issue? The only thing that matters is written law and how it can be interpreted.

Before planning a protest of this nature, Occupy should seek the advice of competent lawyers. Occupy can't just demonstrate against something it heard was said. How funny it would be if a demonstration was performed and what was demonstrated against wasn't even real.

Instead of asking random people here what they think about this issue, ask some lawyers what they know about it.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

What I know is that this is an issue that dates back over one hundred years, and as I understand it part of the idea was to provide corporations the legal standing to enter into contracts.

Entergy entered into a contract - one with the State of Vermont. I thought the contract stipulated that they would not oppose the State if the State chose not to relicense them - so much for contracts.

I also know . . .

  • Corporations do not have tongues
[-] 0 points by winwinforall (-13) 2 years ago

It's good to use the "power of the pen" to solve problems. Please see the following link for info:

http://wakeupnowearth.blogspot.com

[-] 0 points by gvandalay (2) 3 years ago

Let's review OWS. The average age is 44. The average demo is white males with Bachelor's or Masters. Most are employed and make over $50,000 per year. These are not the disadvantaged. How about the sexual assualt, murder, rape, overdosing, drug use, destryong local small businesses, defacating and urinating all over the place. How about the lack of ability to state the goal? OWS is nothing more than a group of people wanting to get together, hang out, get stoned and get laid. Good luck! You are having no impact.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Cool.

Thanks for the bump. What you've just posted is an extremely slanted view of what is happening, but never the less, a portion of your observations are worth noting.

And some of what you've just posted is simply nonsense that merits no response.

But like I said - thanks for the bump.

[-] 0 points by stevo (314) 3 years ago

What about pierced tongues? Are they exempt for the pulling out?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Absolutely!

I mean, really, think about it. No one with a pierced tongue is going to claim corporations DO have tongues! They would instead say:

Lets Pierce Them!

and I say: Tweet That!

; D

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 3 years ago

Do Unions have tongues ?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

No, actually they don't. They do have political power, which they do on occasion abuse, and that is unfortunate.

Like corporations, they are networks, networks of people. Some would say complex systems.

[-] 1 points by happybanker (766) 3 years ago

Let's put them both out of the political leader buying business

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

I'm down with that.

Obviously there has got to be some level of communication, so that legislators can understand the various points of a given issue - but letting them write their own legislation, the quid pro quo, and the revolving door between public and private . . .

It's way past time something was done, and the current trend is it will only get worse - we're poised now to accept cash from foreign nationals . . .

[-] 0 points by l31sh0p (279) from Sand Fork, WV 3 years ago

Temperature checks, mic checks, and that triangle thing you do with your hands... now tweet-threats. I love this country.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

Well, Bishop - praise God I say. Jesus was a Liberal and a Political Dissident.

And he didn't like * money lenders * . . .

Welcome to the party.

[-] 0 points by l31sh0p (279) from Sand Fork, WV 3 years ago

Jesus/God/Bible is just a story, research why there is a King James version of the bible. It's not meant to be taken literally, more of a guideline for your life. Also, assuming things about your God to make his beliefs in-line with yours is slightly blasphemous.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 3 years ago

121sh0p !!

Blasphemous? R3ally?

I dunno . . . he wouldn't let no one throw stones at no whores . . . sounds pretty leftist to me . . .

and besides, I like whores . . .