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Forum Post: Demands Made

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 31, 2011, 5:58 p.m. EST by EasterRising (35)
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These are the Demands:

http://www.nycga.net/groups/demands/docs/final-jobs-for-all-%E2%80%93-a-massive-public-works-and-public-service-program

Read it. These are the demands. They have been decided. Thank you for your input.

TEXT:

FINAL: Jobs for ALL – A Massive Public Works and Public Service Program

Preamble:

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.” –Frederick Douglass

We retain the right to make multiple and/or continuous demands of ourselves, our society, and our government, as there are numerous and varied problems to be addressed by our peoples’ movement. We reject the insinuation of connecting these demands to an endorsement of any one political party. Demands are only one integral part of an already successful movement.

Many of us wish to effect a dramatic transformation of our society and economy, in order that the 99% can control their workplaces, local communities, job creation, and the global economy and environment. This is offered to the GA as an initial, transitional demand, in the hope that others will follow, and to help us build alliances with workers, the homeless, the unemployed and the undocumented. We expect that as the movement grows we will make new demands on our society, our government, and ourselves. Our movement is just beginning. The demands we make and will make are just one of the ways we will take collective control over our common world and common future.

Demand:

We demand a massive, democratically controlled public works and public service program, with direct government employment, to create 25 million new jobs at good union wages. This is to be paid for by new taxes on the wealth and income of the rich, financial transactions, and corporate profits, and reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act – as well as by ending all U.S. wars, disbanding mercenaries, ending aid to authoritarian regimes, and closing military bases. The new jobs will aim to radically expand access to education, healthcare, housing, mass transit, and clean energy – and are to be open to all, regardless of immigration status or criminal record.

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[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 3 years ago

That is some of the biggest, and weakest, bullshit I have ever read. That is shameful. I am ashamed that they put somthint like that out there.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

said nothing

[-] 2 points by owstag (508) 3 years ago

No 'official demands' have 'been decided'.

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

Really? It is from the site and posted by the Demands Working Group.

If it is not official, why is it posted as "Final".

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

Because it is the groups' "final draft".

Are you in Zucotti Park?

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

I saw the GA yesterday. I saw the discussion on LiveFeed after. I am in Brooklyn now. If you have different info, why don't you post it, instead of just doubting what is posted?

[-] 2 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

Yes, I read it.

I saw this:

" This is offered to the GA as an initial, transitional demand, in the hope that others will follow, and to help us build alliances with workers, the homeless, the unemployed and the undocumented. "

That doesn't indicate that they've been decided by consensus.

That indicates that this is the final draft that is to be presented to the GA by the person or people who wrote it.

If I'm wrong, please show me the GA minutes where this was decided by consensus.

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

This is from the Demands Working Group, as it was presented to the GA last night.

I believe that no consensus has been made on these demands, but this indeed is the finalized product of the Demands Working Group.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

I have different information, where are you getting your information?

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

yea, you're reading the Demands Working Group posts. That's where the working group,er, works together.

It has NOT been presented to the GA yet.

Like I said, when you or someone shows us the minutes where that's been accepted by consensus, then it is an official demand.

Until then, it is a draft.

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

Did you see the GA last night? This has been present to GA LAST NIGHT. Why don't you watch the recorded GA?

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

No minutes have been posted since Friday

You say you didn't see them reach consensus on it.

I made another post right here about the Visions & Goals group, the Visions and Goals group is meeting tonight, so I would assume this "Demand" hasn't been accepted yet:

http://www.nycga.net/events/event/vision-and-goals-meeting-2011-10-31/

What I know is that many people were opposed to "Demands" and the Visions & Goals group was formed as an alternative to "Demands".

There was opposition to even giving that 99percentdeclaration group a chance to present anything.

I wouldn't be concerned that what you posted is THE demand until you see the minutes from last night.

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

the 99 Declaration is not even associated with the REAL OWS.

[-] 1 points by annoybot (38) 3 years ago

These demands are not presentable.

It looks amateurish and if this gets approved will get the OWS movement very bad press, and deservedly so.

If the process that came up with this isn't working, it may be time to reconsider whether consensus is a viable decision making structure for this kind of work.

I'm not sure if you can 'block' over the internet, but if you can then I call block on this.

[-] 1 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Globalism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Treason !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

An author who live tweets the GA closed with this status last night:

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffSharlet/status/130844263041871872

Sounds like nothing was decided.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

public work project could produce energy and healthcare to the people

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

The demands are thin and lack any muscle.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

they need health and power

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

This needs to be more thought-out and well-developed, with different tactics and solutions to vote on, consequences to each solution and benefits, etc.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 3 years ago

Was that for real?

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

If you don't believe me, go to the NYCGA site with the link in the main post.

Personally, I think that these demands are BS, but want feedback.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

Well then go post a comment to the Demands Working Group on there.

Some people don't even want a demands working group to exist right now. There was a different group called "Visions and Goals" working on something, too.

I doubt he is going to get consensus when he does present, but that's just my opinion.

[-] 1 points by EasterRising (35) 3 years ago

This was presented alongside the $3000 for U-Locks cough,beer.

It does not matter if there is consensus, this is the work-product of the Demands Working Group.

As for the legitimacy of the Demands Working Group, I do not have any opinion (well, I do, but I won't make it public).

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

ok so that's what I'm saying too

Wait & see, I don't think it is over yet.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 3 years ago

The talking heads will have a field day.

[-] 1 points by yurip (79) 3 years ago

This might be the worst list of demands I have ever seen.

[-] -1 points by Joeschmoe1000 (270) 3 years ago

De man!

We be nuts dude, I tried to read this, but couldn't figure out WTF...?