Forum Post: Decades of Banks Bringing Us to this Point, and STILL It Keeps Happening
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 12, 2012, 8:25 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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Nothing has changed. The economy is going to keep getting worse as long as we keep putting bought out politicians in a position of greatness and hope.
Will the public wake up? Or will they simply end up blaming the wrong people?
Either way, the politicians are going to act like they didnt know about it (like in 08) and will still make out like a bandit. At the expense of the people.
That's what happens when you endorse people who are endorsed/bribed by banks/oil/insurance.
You get screwed. Shocking.
The Abject Tyranny of 'Compound Interest Generating Usurious Debt' & Modern Electronic Double Entry Bookkeeping, which is now so deeply embedded within a 'Mesmerising Mysterious & Magical 'Mythical Money Matrix' of 'Debt Based Fiat Money' - has us all enraptured, ensnared and entrapped - BUT ONLY until and unless we all decide together to wake up & say - WTF ?!!! - at which point, it dissolves at our collective realisation and ridicule and the 'tin pot emperors' are revealed as the evil avaricious naked pygmies that they actually are !!! In just 4 words : "SAY NO TO USURY" !! Spleen vented, below I append some hopefully relevant links !
"Banks Weren’t Meant to Be Like This", by Prof. Michael Hudson ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30367.htm ,
"How Big Banks Victimize Our Democracy", by Bill Moyers & Matt Taibbi (Video & Transcript) : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31694.htm ,
"How Big Banks Run the World - at Your Expense", by Gar Alperovtz : http://truth-out.org/news/item/9658-how-big-banks-run-the-world-at-your-expense ,
"This Global Financial Fraud and its Gatekeepers - The media's 'bad apple' thesis no longer works. We're seeing systemic corruption in banking – and systemic collusion", by Naomi Wolf : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/14/global-financial-fraud-gatekeepers ,
"Lessons From Iceland : The People Can Have The Power - As early progress in Iceland shows since the banking collapse, the 21st century will be the century of the common people, of us.", by Birgitta Jónsdóttir : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/15/lessons-from-iceland-people-power .
fiat lux ...
Iceland shows what an engaged, determined public is capable of. i dont think we are anywhere close to being like that.
Yet.
That's what happens when you endorse people who are endorsed/bribed by banks/oil/insurance.
Who else is there?
Max Keiser on Aliens and Bankers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDwO08IQR9A&feature=youtu.be [right click]
Our country now resembles a grotesquely dysfunctional family where the father and his friends rape and beat the sons and daughters while Mom,who knows what's happening keeps her mouth shut while fetching beers and sandwiches for the abusers.How could anyone feel anything but total disgust for parents like these?How could anyone feel anything but sympathy for the children when they murder such parents?The Democrats have behaved just like the submissive mother and IMHO,the Democrats are even more responsible for the current economic rape camp we now all have to live in,like a bunch of abused children in a trailer with black plastic garbage bags taped over the windows.
Awesome Post! Glad to see ZH becoming a popular reference on this forum. People are waking up! Awesome!
We Are All Elected, Now..Peoples Audit Committe, Peoples Arrest Committee,Peoples Court, No Judge Judy. Concensus based Decisions.. General Assembly By the People for All of Creation..
The first step is to convince people that the democrats are the same as the republicans when it comes to all this. Good luck with that. I'm actually starting to get some sympathy for the anarchists here.
Why attempt to convince people of a lie?
Yea, me too. Especially, on the philosophical level. My prediction would have been another totally ineffective stimulus before the election.
Dems are not the same as Republicans.! Dems have real problems that can be managed if we get money out of politics and rise up to force Dems to be true to left wing ideals. Republicans are too deep in the pocket of the 1% elites.
I'm speechless. Are the rest of you here reading this?
Quite often, a username is all you need to determine whether you should waste your time on them or not.
Ha, ya thats a good point :>)
Unfortunately, most usernames aren't as useful. Glad he makes his position crystal clear without saying a word. He sounds like a very angry VQ.
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Heh heh. I would never attempt to take away another man's opinion.
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Sock Puppet? Probably just another typical occupier that has no intention of trying to work in a broken system.
Whats wrong? Is your purpose here simply to spread the lie that Democrats are the same as republicans? Why? You don't care about the issues OWS cares about? Money out of politics? debt forgiveness? tax the wealthy? public option? Nothing on these important issues? freeze foreclosures? stronger fin reform?
Way to reinforce the party dogma that keeps the people divided.
Your still not making sense. I believe in truth. Republicans have pushed the laws the 1% elites want passed. Some dems vote for them as well. Liberal ideas will solve our problems, not republican ideas. There is a difference. All the issues Ilisted have liberal solutions that OWS would support. The people must force these solutions on the govt. So what dogma are you talking about? public option, 1% tax increases? Make some sense.
Yes, the republicans have fucked things up. And the Dems have been in lock step. Look at the actions not the words. They use this pointing of fingers at each other as a means to excusing "compromises" that aren't compromises at all, they are the end goal. Our "leaders" have the same goals and interest with few exceptions. I didn't see Obama protest money in politics by rising above it. He has done as much damage to the bill of rights as Bush did. Tell me any of those things aren't true.
Dems have not been in lock step. Some have failed. But not all. And many more remain with OWS agenda. Your exagerations are not true. Pres Obama has ended torture, the iraq war, secret CIA prisons, cut military budget, merc use, not detained indefinitely any new people. Pres Obama has come out against citizens United at the state of the Union, and appointed Justices that would overturn it, What the fuck do you want? He should disarm unilaterly so the republicans can win. Your criticisms are unreasonable, naive, and dishonest. Your clearly not understanding how American politics works. Pres csan do very little without the people rising up to push theright agenda. It is out fault. not his. You should not expect anyone to do everything for you without working. Don't be a lazy, entitled, spoiled american suburbanite. Get off your fat ass, out of the comfortable tract house and get to fuckin work. instead of whining and complaining you should do something for your country.
Replaced with a Kill List, spoke out against a form of campaign finance that he participates in.
I actually cook for a living. I have also worked in construction and ATM repair including computer hardware. I am quite sure I'm not the spoiled one in this conversation.
So he has ended wars, reduced deaths and that ain't enough for you. You have no criticism for republicans? Why not? Are they innocent on all these issues? Or are you simply here to tear down one party? The repubs created the CU lawsuit, appointed the judges that passed it. Dems have come out against CU, pushed laws to minimize it, appointed judges who would overturn it. Republicans have continued to support it and the concepts of busines as people/money as speech. That is republicans. No criticism for them? Lean right much?
Obama did NOT end the Iraqi war, he has not ended torture or secret CIA prisons. Shill for Obama if you want, but don't spread those bullshit lies.
The timeline for the (so-called) end of the Iraq war was signed by Bush and the Iraqi government in the summer of '08, before Obama was in office. It was called the 'Status of Forces Agreement.' Google it.
You dare claim that war criminal Bush ended that illegal oil war because he signed a piece of paper. You think he would have done that? then you are a naive moron are a rabid Bush supported. Pres Obama ended the war whatever your War criminal signed. And Pres Obama did end torture (and stopped calling waterboarding acceptable interrogation method) di end secret CIA prisons, and did end extraordinary rendition. Sorry. All these republican violations Pres Obama stopped. Oh Pres Obama also has not indef detained any new cases either. Only Bushs leftovers remain. And we would be done with them if republicans did not prevent the closing of gitmo.
Google it, then come back and tell me I'm full of shit. You're also clueless about the closing of Gitmo. I'd give you a link, but, . . . gasp, you might actually learn something. And how the fuck would you know he ended secret CIA prisons, you hear it on the tele? Hint: there are plenty of secret CIA prisons still in operation. You Obama apologists don't care for the truth any more than the Repubs, apparently. Like I said, shill for Obama, but stop with the bullshit lies, easily proven by a simple Google search, something you guys refuse to do.
But, I'll post a couple links for those on this forum that actually do want to learn something:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/02/13/counterterrorism_consensus_obama_bush
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/02/drone-wars-secrecy-barack-obama
Fuck you and your links. You only attack dems and defend republicans. You got it backwards. Republicans are the war mongerers. Remember Dems are soft on defense. Why would I trust a partisan republican? Google? What a joke. you can find proof of any lie you want on the interwebs. LMFAO
I'll bite one more time. I criticize both sides, not just the Dems. And of course you people have no interest in fact-checking. That's why you have zero credibility here. You are a waste of time. Don't bother me again with this bullshit, you fucking hack. I won't respond.
You responded to my comment you republican troll. I'll bother you if I please. Certainly if I catch you criticizing the dems unfairly and giving the republicans a pass I'll bother you with pleasure.. Like you've been doing! you criticize both? LMFAO. whata joke.
I didn't say he hasn't done good things. But I'm not an investment to gain or lose political capital making it ok to do the shitty things he has done. I won't fault him for what he hasn't been able to do. I am pointing out the things he has chosen to do.
You don't know what you're talking about. You expect one Pres to do everything. You create impossible measures. He has been dealing with the most resistance than any president in history. Republicans created these problems and prevented thedems from doing more than they did. We would have gotten more if not for the republicans. but you give them another pass. No mention of their obstruction, and delay. Seems unfair and partisan.
We are in extreme times buddy. I voted for the first time in my life to help get him elected. He said Change and I WANT CHANGE. Not some goddamn marketing hype and a shitty product. I could have gone the rest of my life without voting because it's never going to change. You know why it isn't going to change, because the guy I thought was going to bring change has brought more of what I hate and loath. More national security. More power for the pentagon and DHS to bring to fruition every single Orwellian prediction. When you here republicans talking about simpler times, those time involved Glass Steagall and a strong defense of the bill of rights. When Obama compromises, they just take the compromise and spin it to make Republican voters more afraid of him, it doesn't garner favor for him to keep compromising. Yet he continues to pander. What do I want? I want a president with some goddamn balls. And no, Romney sure as hell doesn't fit that bill either, not by a long shot.
I didn't dismiss any facts. Just trying to get you to understand how the world works. You talked anout compromise but didn't criticize the republicans who forced that compromise. They indicates a partisan republican troll. YOU are dismissing that fact. LMFAO. I guess you are beat.
You don't know why he compromises? Are you a fucking 12 yrold. Grow up. Presidents can't do everything. If that is what you thought then that is your failure. You mention compromise but you don't criticise the republicans who he must give in to. Everything you claim to want has been watered down by republican obstruction. No complaints from you though. Another pass for the republicans. You are transparent.
Again, you dismiss facts and supplant your party line propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BI6bMwXs_8
Obama requested the NDAA language, fellow Dems blowing him in...
Dems tried to repeal, repubs defeated it. Pres Obama has indef detained any new cases. You continue to only attack Democrats. Republicans are innocent on these issues. y'know republicans create indef detention 10 years ago. You give republicans a pass because you are a partisan republican asstroll
SEnate voted 74-23 to extend Patriot Act.
NDAA vote in Senate was 93-7.
They are both shitheads, and the people that refuse to do anything different need to wake the hell up.
democrats tried to repeal ndaa, republicans defeated. Pres Obama has indef. detained no new cases. Dems would have done more but for republican obstruction.
It passed 93-7 in Senate. Keep hanging to a dream.
You're talking about the entire military budget bill. You have to mislead people to make your points Pres Obama has not detained any new cases, & and tried to repeal, and will repeal the ndaa as soon as we get rid the republicans you cover for.
Obama killed American citizens abroad, no questions asked. He has a kill list. He requested the indefinite detention of Americans in the NDAA 2012 act.
If he was against CU, he wouldnt be using SuperPacs himself.
What campaigns are you working on, seems how you seem to be quite the campaigner?
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There's empty prisons all over, or they could just build one. They dont want to do that.
They like it in Gitmo, where the torture is out of site and out of mind.
Fellow Dems blew him in on this, many many times...Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BI6bMwXs_8
Did he sign it? This is exactly what I'm talking about. The finger pointing is an excuse used by both parties. He didn't have to sign the damn thing. He could have honored his oath and sent it back.
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There is no way the republicans and all their military contractor special interests would have thrown away all that profit or even waited one second on it. The minute he put his foot down they would have caved to the flow of money and profit like money were crack. The budget would have passed without the indefinite detention. Again, blaming the other party is an excuse used on both sides.
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I knew this would be your argument.
Picture it,
The republicans arguing to the public that Obama is weak on defense because he won't pass the budget. Then Obama retorts with the reason he isn't passing it is because it calls for the indefinite detention of US citizens and suspends habeas corpus.
So the reason the republicans would not make a public spectacle of this hinge pin is that they would look like Nazi creeps, no way they would touch that. The bill would have passed with no more notice than it actually received.
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I have no interest in trading freedom for fear. If you're afraid, send a letter to Washington demanding they stop acting like barbarians in the middle eat. Request that they go thrue the UN or engage in diplomatic solutions. Stop paying dictators, stop blowing up kids with bombs. Your fear has a source, it's the pentagon. No, I will not trade freedom for fear. I will however continue to call for the dismantling of the pentagon because they cause the hate against this country. They provoke the reprisals. They kill women and children inside the borders of sovereign nations, not me.
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http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/04/10/460754/laura-poitras/
Yeah, he is clearly looking out for our interests.
We've had a kill list since the fuckin vietnam war. What are you somekinda moron. We were killing thousands a week from kill lists that were dictated by front line commanders. This president has ended that practice and reduced those killings. If you expect him to give up superpacs (which he isn't allowed to control by the way) you want the republicans to win. And once again you are focusing all your criticism on Dems when Repubs created the CU lawsuit. Appointed the judges who passed it and continue to support it. Democrats have come out against it, they have put out legislation to minimize it and you criticise the dems and give the repubs a pass. Because you are clearly a republican partisan. case closed.
Yes, clearly. I let my positions stand for themselves.
http://blog.richardkentgates.com
What the fuck is this link supposed to prove. That you do criticise the republicans who created the war on terror civil rights violations, and the cu debacle we are living with? You ain't criticising therepublicans now! You are only going after Democrats. And you answered any of my comments. So you got a blog. So the fuck what?
You miss the point entirely. Lost, completely lost. You're to caught up in rage. I'll check back with you at a later time.
No criticism of republicans. Only attacks on Democrats. Doesn't that prove partisanship?
It goes without saying the Republican Party is useless at this point. Duh.
Looks like you are wrong again.. http://www.thenation.com/article/168271/obamas-kill-list-silence-not-option
You cant discuss SS, because you probably dont even know what the means testing levels are now.
You cant discuss banking fraud because you dont even understand what happened with MF Global and whats at the heart of LIBOR manipulation. Let me guess, you don think gold and silver are being manipulated either.
You can't discuss NDAA because you dont understand the process.
And you can't dicsuss kill lists because you arent current enough on whats going on.
And you think he would lose if he gave up superpacs, because apparently you dont think Americans are smart enough to think for themselves.
You dont campaign either, which makes you hard core Dem beliefs nothing but internet ranting, no action to back it up.
Just troll to the polls in Nov and consider your responsibility as an American done for another four years.
What a fucking moron you are. None of what you said is true. I know enough about all these issues. I have campaigned plenty over the years. And of course I know enough about you and your comments to know you attack dems, give republicans a pass and push republican agenda items. Partisan republican asstroll.
Well, come to Tampa to protest the RNC if you want to see my views on Republicans. Until then, you are just another blind hack.
Keep criticizing the Democrats for the republicans! And keep covering, excusing, and providing a pass for the republicans, that says it all.
It goes without saying only 'cause you don'r want to speak the truth. All Democratic failures these last 4 years is directly related to Republican obstruction, watering down, or delay. That is the truth you refuse to say, and that is what makes you a partisan republican, which in itself might go without saying but should be said nonetheless.
Plenty of bipartisan screwings to go around. Too bad you can't see that.
Lets agree to disagree so you stop humiliating the site.
I'm "melting down"? you want to end the comments, so you respond? huh? and instead of responding directly you suggest a meltdown as a distraction!. You're not fooling anyone!. You are a republican shill/troll/tool/fool whatever the current label is. You can't deny it because you know it's true.
RepubsRtheprob is likely a government disinformation agent trying to keep the people divided. I think they're getting desperate.
^still metling down....can't imagine a world without Dems and Reps
The only way to get rid of him is to ignore him, it's not that hard. Watch, I'll show ya. ;-)
I can imagine it! I'm working for it! And I know we will have it as a natural order of evolution. Hows that? Moron republican shill! You just want to attack dems to help your republican puppet masters!
We do disagree. Most definitely on Social Security. I am for it! You and the republicans you troll for are against it. I'm humiliating the site? Do you speak for the site?. Do I have to be concerned with how the site "feels"? Are you an idiot? Is that your argument. consider the feelings of the site? Don't respond! I won't respond. Criticize the 2 parties fairly and I won't comment. Spew republican talking points and I will comment, as is my right! Straighten up. I'll be watching. Republican troll boy!
^13 day old handle.....melting down again....
Welcome to mainstream America. Up is down, left is right, and the ones that want change are labeled as the opposite of the ones they debate.
Weird huh. The Obama supporters call themselves progressive, but they are really conservative because they are trying to preserve the status quo They oppose, even demonize, those who want to break the two-party stranglehold.
The Romney supporters are the same way. I tell them they are fuckin fools for supporting parties that are run by corporations...They scream Im a controlling liberal.
You know the game is rigged when both "sides" behave and react in tthe exact same fuckin manners.
The two party D and R system hijacked the government a long time ago.
People need to realize that nowhere in the constitution does it lay out an electorate process between democrats and republicans yet everyone thinks this is how the electorate process is supposed to be. And since they're both financed by BILLIONS of dollars by corporations and banks.... this is the outcome we face. CONTROLLED.
People need to think outside of the box and put a DNR on the D's and R's
The two party system is a joke. Party affiliation is the road to civil conflict and conflict of interest too.
As long as money is speech and corporations are people we will be in an Orwellian dystopia . The world is what we the people make of it.
If it doesn't allow for reform through the ballot, the people may be compelled to seek justice as in other means.
We should have a day of solidarity this labor day
This is an intersting article that you may enjoy...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/austerity-debt-deleveraging-and-why-muddle-through-fails
I'm not interested in your republican propaganda! You won't admit you are a republican when your position on Social Security makes it obvious. Your attacks on democrats are relentless, exagerated and unfair. More republican propaganda. Keep your lies to yourself.
So you think that peice was republican proppaganda? Im not suprised.
Im also not suprised that since I would like to not put my future in the hands of a corrupted gov that you think I'm a Republican.
Unfortunetly a lot of the masses are trained just like you. But people are waking up.
You are going to have to make some decisions soon on where you want to end up, following this war loving, corporate backed goverment or standing with the ones that are trying to bring about new systems.
Lead or follow. The "choice" is yours.
I label the piece republican propaganda because it came from an anti Social Security, rabidly anti democrat, republican asstroll. I know you are a republican for those reasons as well as the fact that you have criticized the republicans precious little. Where you want to put your future is unknown to me, not part of decision making process. Your comment is more nonsense. I stand with the 99% against the 1% elite. That you with the republicans have served well.
Um, actually Im still a registered Dem. And I dont see any pro Republicans on this site too often, or I would trash them as well. Its not hard.
You stand with a corrupted, war loving government that is choosing bombs over people. We don't. Thats why Occupy is different, because its not in your little l vs r box, its all encompassing with an overall flavor of SCREW THEM ALL.
Click on the News button at the top of your screen and read that. When the site you are on is posting that stuff, your partisan nonsense should head out the door.
Divide and conquer is teh strategy of the power brokers, and while you are passionate, you are unknowingly playing right into their hands.
As long as there is no unity, there will be no change, and more importantly, no accountability
Except you are the one with the anti dem partisan attacks. And you would have never heard from me if you were not taking part in that partisanship. And I assure you, YOU do not speak for OWS. I do not either, but I know they are for the 99%, I know they want money out ofpolitics, debt forgiveness, public option, freeze foreclosures, OWS is a positive force. FOR the people. Anarchist (left side of the political spectrum) solutions. Not right wing republican agenda shit.
you sure are one silly goose....
Go Occupy the DNC and join the rest that believe both main stream parties are occupied by corporations.
Both parties have problems. Republicans are far worse. Your criticism is far worse on the Dems. That is unfair and shows your republican partisanship. We should definitely protest dems. But Repubs agenda created our problems and that should be reflected in our criticism.
Actually it was the facsist leaders of both parties taht have doen this. Conservatives arent to blame, and neither are liberals, in the sense as the goals they want are not the ones that are screwing the country..
But they are to blame in that they refuse to start other things and create other options, instead relying on criminal enterprise to magiacally straighten up and fly straight. It doenst happen.
My critism is pretty balanced, thers just way more ardent Dem supporters here than the other side. They come to harrass, and then go.
There's a few here that will still vouch for Obama even if he starts a war with Iran. I dont have a lot of patience for the level of blind loyalty.
You mean when he starts the Iranian war. Iran was one of the seven countries (including Syria, by the way) that General Clark mentioned as being part of the overall plan.
But he hasn't started the Iranian war. The republicans have been pressuring him to invade but he has resisted. So we give Pres Obama credit for resisting the war mongers, and we criticize the war mongers. Can you say the republican war mongerers are the problem. Do you ever criticize the republicans. Are here to attack the democrats. Are you a republican troll?
The war mongers are the problem. Both sides. Your problem is you don't realize Obama is one of them.
Please. There is no comparison between Pres Obama and Pres Bush. They are miles apart. For you to compare them is ludicrous and shows how partisan you are.
You arethe one who appears to blindly loyal to the republicans!. You have been a good lapdog by criticising the Democrats incessantly. Not a bit of criticism of republicans. And you claim the conservatives are not to blame? That is just covering for the republicans. Low regulations, low taxes, and costly wars are all conservative agenda items. Who the fuck do you think you are kidding? And of course ending Social Security which you pushed earlier. Dishonest. You are a republican asstroll
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