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Forum Post: Death/torture squads coming to America soon?

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 25, 2012, 10:49 p.m. EST by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai
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"If you allow yourself to be taken into custody by a death squad or torture squad, you will no longer have any control over how long you live, how you die, where you die, or how much pain and humiliation you will experience before you die. If taken, you can be absolutely certain you and all those you love taken with you will die by death squad or torture squad member hands.

The ugly reality here in the United States, right now, is that we face all three types of death squads as threats to our lives and liberty. As with other nations afflicted before us, elitist, arrogant individuals with access to United States Government authority are training and equipping death squads to eliminate those of us who do not meet their criteria for safe citizens. Foreign, criminal and vigilante death squads are already killing United States citizens or have killed citizens."

Learn more about death/torture squads, and model legislation to prohibit it:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/25/what-americans-need-to-know-about-death-squads/

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[-] 3 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

This is exactly what i have been talking about for months. I have personally seen this opperation

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Why don't you tell us a little about it?

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

It’s really very awful. You see the government will spend $10 million dollars to kill someone in a courtroom. That’s important to understand before you consider what they might do when they decide to use torture squads instead of police officers. In America, high profile crimes or terrorist attacks are sometimes subject to different laws. They receive a quick private trial and are sentenced to death. The torture squad comes and takes them. They replace them with squad members who assume their everyday lives. The offenders are tortured to death and then killed. Their body is destroyed. This all happens in a month usually. The government keeps them in a secluded wing in insane asylums, a good way to lock them up and steal their credibility. They are usually let out before they are killed. The government will even let them run. But, this is a global operation and everywhere you run there they are. Their numbers and mobility is impressive. They will enclose you in a bubble of government agents which you can never burst out of. They take your friends and replace them with look-alikes too. They keep track of everything you do on the outside and that’s what you are tortured for. For everything you eat, everywhere you go, and everyone you tell.

[-] 2 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

No offense friend, but I think you've neglected to take your lithium today.

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

i understand you skepticism, but i can assure you that this has been going on since Mid May. My family was killed in June and i have been faced with the dilemma of sitting around and waiting to be killed peacefully or talking and enduring torture. I have decided to talk despite physical evidence besides this picture which shows my family and the doubles. Considering the power of the government to alter appearances through surgery the differences are large. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3802581662352&set=a.2958625163967.2125797.1211660092&type=1&theater

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Don't be so quick to judge. Like Buidler would say, evidence is not that important. Just wait till all your friends are replaced by look-alikes. Who's going to laugh then!

[-] 2 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

I will. No, wait. . . I can't, because it won't be me, it'll be my look-alike. Well, shit - will HE laugh? I'm not sure, you'd have to ask him. If he does, I guess he'll have the last laugh, 'cause I'll be gone. But if he does, and he's now me, it's sorta like me laughing, I guess, so maybe I'll have the last laugh after all. It's all very confusing and there's an existential conundrum in there. My head hurts thinking about it. I need to go talk to my therapist.

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

It wont be you, it will be a government agent, but i more than understand what you are saying. It almost makes me want to see their doubles do well because its like my family will actually have a name still. This is no laughing matter, i'm not joking or crazy, this is real and a disgrace to the American people. I am disgusted by my government after working hard to get into law school i see my family is treated like cattle and revenge has outgrown justice

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

And what were the circumstances under which you observed this?

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

Sorry, I don't understand the question, can you clarify? Do you mean too ask why i was targeted?

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Oh, I didn't know it was you that was targeted, you said that you had "seen this operation". But yes, was it you that was targeted, and why? What happened to you?

[-] 1 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

Yes i was run through the system and i have until June first to seek political asylum, which is probably hopeless given the likelihood that all foreign nations are abiding or unwilling to risk their national security for a foreigner. the world is helpless to stop America. My entire family was targeted and killed, i am the last one living of the family of 6. We were targeted for a conspiracy to serial murder three people, as word spread throughout the family everyone was unable to stop the crime and so everyone was blamed for knowing of the events. No one wanted to call the police on family. When the police came in it was apparent that everyone was going to be killed so everyone began retaliating. Fourteen murders were committed and covered up by the police, not including my 5 family members. Personally all i did was discuss what i would do if i was to commit murder, it seemed harmless and i told my mom that i didn't want it done, but then it happened and they blame me.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Sounds like a made up story. Can you back up your claims?

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

Is is not made up! Here is a picture of my family and the doubles http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3802581662352&set=a.2958625163967.2125797.1211660092&type=1&theater It is not different from the kill list at all. They have shown that they will target American's. It is a said time in American history right now. Besides this picture, i am not sure what kind of evidence i could obtain. I have had people discuss the conspiracy with me, but i have nothing recorded.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

You believe this nonsense without asking for a shred of evidence? Hmmm... I should write fiction stories to sell to gullible folks such as yourself.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I just asked a question. I don't know this person, he may or may not be telling the truth. You are jumping to conclusions because of your extreme personal bias. Can't say that's very "logical".

[-] 0 points by jdjohn1990 (3) 1 year ago

This is my life. It is hard to get evidence of a conspiracy, but here is a picture of my family and the doubles. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3802581662352&set=a.2958625163967.2125797.1211660092&type=1&theater Please consider the impact of your statements if assuming this is real. I can assure you it is

[-] 2 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

Leaving aside the fact that this reeks of whack-job conspiracy theory, why on earth would you expect anybody anybody who's got death squads to obey a law prohibiting them? Blood-thirsty dictators don't generally bother with such niceties.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I suppose not. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen in the US though. If you've ever been to a big city, like downtown LA, you'll have seen that they are becoming more like third world countries. Why couldn't we have other third world phenomenon like death squads.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Arturo comes to this site to make us all look bad with nonsensical conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. Renneye and shadz66 do much of the same. They are Conspiracy Crusaders.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

Thrasymaque imposter are you?

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

What? I haven't been killed and replaced by a look-alike if that's what you mean.

Are you another conspiracy theorist?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

Your syntax seems different, that's all. Oh, don't go getting all paranoid. It was a simple question.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Paranoid? I don't even know what you are talking about.

On the subject, have some of your friends been killed and replaced by look-alikes? Did you buy a gun as suggested by arturo and loaded it with strong ammo? You must be ready when the death squad comes to your door!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

If you want us to think you are Thrasymaque then tell me some things that could prove that such as: What is your wife's name? What country did you live in/work from last fall and winter? Where in Canada are you from? What type of music do you write? What kind of computer do you have?

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

What are you talking about?

Are you going on about another conspiracy theory?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

Are you from the H.A.C.?

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Yes, why?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20419) 1 year ago

Think you are superior? The only one entranced by conspiracy theories is you and Thrasymaque and you don't show much originality by clinging to his themes. You must be very smart. Come up with original ideas with which to attack the forum. This is boring.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's the leaves in the teacup, Mike.

They don't lie, do they?

[-] 1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I don't follow you. Sorry, but it's hard for me to understand the logic of conspiracy theorists. You make assumptions left and right, then I'm left confused.

The subject of this posting is Death/Torture squads. Do you have some evidence to support your claim that they are real?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

No, but then I wasn't taking the thread seriously. You were.

There is, however, dozens of torture venues scattered around the globe, and gitmo is still open.

The NDAA is still up for perusal by the SCOTUS, so indefinite detention without warrant is still a distinct reality.

Did you miss those rather important changes to your freedom?

Or are you still in Indonesia?

[-] 1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I've never been in Indonesia. Iv'e never been to asia actually.

The freedoms in US, and many other countries around the world have been shrinking for quite awhile now. However, that doesn't mean there is a group called the Illuminati, and that Death/Torture squads are waiting to kill you and replace you with a look-alike.

It would help if we tackled to real problems, however, with half the population of America concentrating their efforts on conspiracy theories like arturo, Renneye, and others are doing, we are far from understanding what's really going on.

Unfortunately, the Internet has replace proper journalism with conspiracy theories. Reality has been replaced with fiction. This makes it even easier form governments to run all over us.

Ideally, conspiracy theorist would be left out of the discussion by us demanding evidence for their far fetched claims. However, even intelligent people like yourself are encouraging them.

What you fail to realize is that arturo is the real troll. He is here to make us look like a bunch of idiots running after the claims made by LaRouche, David Icke, Alex Jones, and other fiction writers.

Occupy should get back to work on what really matters. This is what you should support instead of defending the conspiracy theorists.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

You sure do like talking about the illuminati...Doctor.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I do. They are a fantasy which is destroying American thought. Conspiracy theorists must be destroyed. We must promote logical thought by encouraging the use of the scientific method and proper journalistic research. People like yourself who believe Occupy is controlled by the Global Elite and uses symbols taken from the Illuminati must be healed with proper medication.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

But Doc...that would mean self-destruction for you. By all means, I think you have something there. Carry on.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

My only advice would be to ignore posts that you feel are not conducive to your own aims.

Shift your focus onto areas and issues that you feel are important, and that you feel confident in supporting.

That's all we can ever hope for; to be actively pursuing our own beliefs.

[-] 1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

See below. Pay attention to what is happening around you right now.

It's not too late to turn things around.

While you continue to obfuscate and chase your own tail, things are getting done.

You are the one obfuscating my message. I am not obfuscating yours one bit. I let you talk about what you want when you want.

I am aware of what's going on. OWS is slowly being turned into a conspiracy theory hub. There's a new post that was made about military suicide. American's no longer care about logic, and that is our biggest problem. If we promote logical thinking and serious investigative research, then we can find out what the real problems are and tackle them instead of discussion aliens, reptilian overlords, FEMA camps, Death/Torture Squads, and all the rest of this mumbo jumbo OWS is becoming known for.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

That's all we can ever hope for; to be actively pursuing our own beliefs.

Then do that and let me follow my belief that we must fight the conspiracy theorists first. I don't bother you with your beliefs, why should you bother me with mine?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

See below. Pay attention to what is happening around you right now.

It's not too late to turn things around.

While you continue to obfuscate and chase your own tail, things are getting done.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I feel it's very important to shut down conspiracy theories because they have become the focus of American thought. They are a cancer which is destroying logical thinking. Until they are taken care of, we cannot build a better world. We need to take them out of commission before we can move on to the real problems. They are a really dangerous nuisance.

That's all we can ever hope for; to be actively pursuing our own beliefs.

I am pursuing my own belief which is that conspiracy theories must be destroyed.

What belief of yours are you pursuing here? It seems you only protect the likes of arturo and Renneye by jumping on people like me who demand evidence for far fetched claims.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

This is what I'm here for, Mikey.

To fight for justice for all people against the tyranny of the one percenters.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/major-banks-governmental-officials-and-their-comrade-capitalists-targets-of-spire-law-group-llps-racketeering-and-money-laundering-lawsuit-seeking-return-of-43-trillion-to-the-united-states-treasury-2012-10-25

NEW YORK, Oct. 25, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Spire Law Group, LLP's national home owners' lawsuit, pending in the venue where the "Banksters" control their $43 trillion racketeering scheme (New York) - known as the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History and identifying $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000,000.00) of laundered money by the "Banksters" and their U.S. racketeering partners and joint venturers - now pinpoints the identities of the key racketeering partners of the "Banksters" located in the highest offices of government and acting for their own self-interests.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

United they stand...divided they fall, eh Doctor?!

[-] 2 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

You should not take Veterans Today seriously, and certainly not Gordon Duff. He hardly ever backs up his claims with serious evidence and he draws conclusions from available evidence that are not justified. He often has anonymous sources telling him this or that.

He is pointing in the right direction, as it is true that the US has become a police state run by Jewish interests like he claims, but serious journalism sticks with verifiable facts from credible sources and does not speculate too much about the unknown.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Thanks for your opinion, I'm a bit new to his writings.

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Pathetic. Your were promoting his superior authority to me just a few hours ago. Stop reading garbage and pretending it's news.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Your opinion is somewhere below irrelevant to me.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Or you just tell your operatives to "stand down" when they beg REPEATEDLY for permission to go to the aid of other Americans who are being attacked nearby.

If they defy your orders and go in anyway, and evacuate all remaining survivors, and then return to their post, and then constantly report for four hours that their outpost is now under attack, you ignore their repeated requests for back up and let them die as well.

[-] 0 points by Jencats (20) 1 year ago

Well thank god we can bear arms...right? No death squad is coming for me or my family.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, I imagine you'd be better off fighting to the death.

[-] 0 points by Jencats (20) 1 year ago

probably right? Rather go down fighting than let them take me alive....especially if they are going to kill me anyway.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, unfortunate we even have to even be talking about it these days. Have you taught your family how to shoot?

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

So, that's the purpose of this conspiracy theory. To promote guns. Got it.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Hey look Mike! You just created a spontaneous, unjustified theory. The horror! Shame, shame, shame.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

All they have to do is not hire you, soooooo much cheaper and easier.

[+] -4 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

More fear mongering from our resident conspiracy theorist and Conspiracy Crusader's master of chinese propaganda, arturo.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

That article is from Veterans Today, Gordon Duff, the senior editor, is a conspiracy professional, not theorist, his background:

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, surveillance technologies, intelligence analysis,defense technologies or acting as a UN diplomat and "special consultant."

Duff currently serves on the boards of the Adamus Group, one of the world's largest energy technology firms and of a private financial institution participating in the Federal Reserve Banking group.

His most recent project adapts advanced military technologies to wildlife and land management in cooperation with the UN, USAID and International Wildlife Federation.

Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. Duff, military affairs analyst for Press TV, is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Appeal to authority. Authority does not replace evidence. It doesn't matter what background somebody has, they can become a conspiracy theorist if they let go of logic, especially if they do it on purpose to sell books and make money.

This wonderful source of yours as also said that Wikileaks is paid Zionist propaganda: http://300sploggers.blogspot.com/2010/12/gordon-duff-from-veterans-today.html

He's an antisemite conspiracy theorist. Nothing more, nothing less.

A short passage from the article - "become a traitor to this country like nearly all of our politicians who are in the pocket of corrupt, evil Zionist Jews controlling this country in EVERY sector of this society for the sake of their interests and the State of Israel's."

Ah! Those evil Zionist jews!

Do you also hate the evil Jews?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I hate evil people whether they are Jew or Gentile, as I'm sure Gordon Duff does as well.

Personally, I think it must be the Zionists who hate Jews. Why else would they put them in the middle of a war zone surrounded by hostile enemies, in a place where they have no biological heritage?

Why else would they try pushing them into a war with Iran, a war which probably would result in Israel being "wiped off the map", and the world being plunged into nuclear WWIII.

If personal testimony has no validity, why do you suppose it is that our court system makes massive use of witnesses, including expert witnesses?

Perhaps what you mean is that personal testimony has no validity as a logical proof, as in constructing a proof for a geometric theorem. Life, however, is more than geometry, and personal testimony is used extensively in courts of law for the purpose of determining guilt or innocence.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

"in a place where they have no biological heritage"

Do you have a source for this statement other than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

DNA tells a different story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

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[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

You must believe in aliens, ghosts, bigfoot, the Loch Ness, reptilian overlords (The Brotherhood), and all sorts of other nonsense if testimony is all you require as proof for the extraordinary. Courts do not only use eye witnesses, they look at tangible evidence.

Good luck with your antisemitism.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Belief that a criminal elite employs secrecy to abuse their authority is really not that extraordinary Mikey.

I used to live in LA in an area heavily populated with orthodox Jews. On their holidays, they often used to hand me tracts, calendars of Jewish holidays, little menorahs, thinking I was a Jew. Guess I don't really give off the anti-semtic vibe as you would suggest.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Fairfax???

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes indeedy, Melrose area. Also commonly had that experience on the Santa Monica promenade.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Canters???

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I vaguely recall that as a restaurant on Fairfax, isn't it? Can't say I've been there. Do you frequent the place?

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I used to frequent Canters landmark deli up the street from Farmers Market. Lots of Asiatic Jews in the neighborhood. Lived a couple blocks away. Miss my home town.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, I used to go to the Farmer's Market quite a bit too. I miss it as well.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Even with all the problems (sprawl, traffic, smog, etc.) it's pretty easy to fall in love with LA, isn't it?

Did you go to the juice bar at Farmers Market? Eat at Dupars?

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Hunan is a neighboring province to Guangzhou, I meet a lot of people from Hunan. Its night time on the other side of the world here, think, I'll crash myself.

Keep in touch.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, Chinese food in China is quite different than what we have in the US, where its made to suit our tastes. Some foods are easy to eat here, but many are quite difficult. Foreigners often struggle with finding food that they like here.

You may know that China has about six or seven major cuisines. Guangdong has one major style, which you may have heard of as Cantonese, its a little sweet, with a lot of emphasis on soup. You may have heard of Sichuan style as well, which is a bit spicy, but in a different way. It affects you deep in your throat rather than on your tongue.

Besides the six major styles, there also are ethnic foods from other regions, such as Uighur food, from Xinjiang, an Islamic province. Sometimes I find this food a bit more palatable, as the middle eastern style is a bit closer to the western.

The western chains that we have here include McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut (called "the inevitable triumph of the customer" in Chinese - 必胜客 - bi sheng ke) and Starbucks. McDonalds is the only one that's quite bad.

Yes, and it is too bad about the sweatshops that they've set up in China. FDR had a totally different plan for after WWII. He wanted to export high tech infrastructural goods to developing countries on credit, so they could develop an economy in which they wouldn't have to do so much work by hand.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I like Hunan.

The FDR plan? You probably know more about our foreign, and maybe even domestic, policies than most of the complete dummies here. We were meant to unite. Beware of Power Elite.

Talk to you later.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, Guangzhou is in Guangdong, about an hour and a half north from Hong Kong by fast train. It's the capital city of Guangdong, with around ten million people. Must be about the same size as LA.

Guangdong is a province in China, kind of like Canada has provinces, they're much bigger than US style states. China has about as many people as all of the west - Europe, the Americas and Russia as well, all in one country. Some provinces here have as many people as European countries.

Feel free to ask any questions, most western people don't know much about daily life in China. I'm teaching English here.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Awesome! And Thanx.

I have so many questions I don't know where to start.

I like to start with food, don't you? I understand China either invented fine dining, or elevated it first. Either way, I love Chinese cuisine, but isn't it sooo bad here in the states?

Next, what about Apple and the wealth they make off Chinese workers, while pretending to be so cool?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, LA's nice, despite what many people say and think about it. Of course you have to go to the right places. No, I didn't go to the juice bar or restaurants there, but I did go to the coffee shop, cinema, book store and the outdoor bar they had. Sounds like you appreciate fine dining.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Sweet!

Canters and Dupars aren't fine dining, but they're great and unique.

Sorry, being selfish. Where's Guangzhou, Guangdon??

[-] 1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Belief that a criminal elite employs secrecy to abuse their authority is really not that extraordinary Mikey.

Who's talking about that. We were discussing the Illuminati in another thread, and now this death/torture squad nonsense. Why do you keep bringing up red herrings instead of showing evidence for what you claim.

Dude, take your meds, and stop attacking this site with your conspiracy theory nonsense. You're making us look bad. I guess that's your plan?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

You don't need me to make you look bad Mike, considering your whopping score of -50. And who is this "us" you're talking about anyway? Doesn't look like there are many people here who consider you to be one of "us".

And by the way, you're the one who started talking about reptilians, The Brotherhood and bigfoot. You also talk about medications a lot, I must assume that's from your personal experience. Not everybody is like you Mikey-boy. The strongest thing that I take is aspirin.

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Scores don't matter, only ideas do.

Aspirin is not strong enough for your delusions, you need to take Lithium.

[-] 2 points by Proteus (141) from Quebec, QC 1 year ago

Ahahah!, staying alive, staying alive, ah-ah-ah...

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Well, it seems you were pretty concerned about "looking bad" before. You seem to be very familiar with "meds" such as "Lithium". I must express my condolences if that's from personal experience.

[+] -4 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

LaRouche bullshit. Go away zombie.

[-] 4 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Zomebie? Didn't you see the link? This is from Veteran's Today. Your mechanized approach to thinking suggests that it is you who is among the walking dead.

[+] -5 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

WTF does this garbage have to do with OWS? Or the US? Or any thinking American?

[-] 4 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Alot of our civil liberties have been taken, including the right to protest, and this could be the next natural step in a tyrannical system?

[+] -5 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

Okay. So the democratic party is the answer?

[-] 5 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Absolutely not. The people are the answer. Hence Dems and Reps running roughshod over the public interest.

[+] -4 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

You are correct. But most people in OWS are working for the dems.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

No we are not all working for the dems, as witnessed by the half dozen times or more that I've been banned. Errr....Ok... maybe that is not a good example. ;-)

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

haha

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Perhaps you will figure this out if a death squad comes knocking on your door. Considering your brutish mentality, perhaps you would more likely become a member of said death squad.

[+] -6 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

He is part of Conspiracy Crusaders (arturo, Renneye, shadz66) and they are here to make Occupy look bad by posting one nonsensical conspiracy theory after another.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Said the (-50) to the (-117).

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Points don't matter. Only ideas do. If I have -50 it's because the Conspiracy Crusaders are afraid of the truth and keep stinkling my comments. That's cool.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You still twisting words, trashy?

A conspiracy is a plan between two or more people (conspirators, or conspirers) to do something either not legal, or not expected.

A conspiracy theory is when one or more people think that they know what the conspirators are up to.

Conspiracy crusaders are a part of your imagination. Carry on, trashy. .

[-] -3 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

A "conspiracy theory" is an English expression. It cannot be understood by juxtaposing the definition of conspiracy and the definition of theory. Just like "hot dog" cannot be understood by juxtaposing the definition of hot with the definition of dog. Use a dictionary.

A "conspiracy theory" is a derogatory term to identify the idea that some evil force, usually the government, is behind some masterful plot against society. An idea which is based on logical fallacies instead of evidence.,

In the case where people have done serious work to identify a conspiracy, the correct term in journalistic investigation, or, if it's a conspiracy from yesteryears, historical analysis. Conspiracy theory is always reserved for nutjobs who present ideas like the Illuminati, the New World Order, 911 Truthers, etc.. People who don't know what serious research is. The leading conspiracy theorists of today are David Icke and Alex Jones.

Educate yourself. Why not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

From your link; [quote]The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with the United States and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject. Please improve this article and discuss the issue on the talk page. (April 2011)[unquote]

Educate yourself, trashy. You're using Americanised English. I'm using the actual original English.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

This site is based in USA. Americanized English is native here. Use a dictionary if you don't understand. The link was for arturo, an American.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I, for one, have never touched the stinkle button on your or anyone's post here. You must have quite a fan club.

Do you think your ideas matter? If so, then to whom? On many of my posts, I'll get one or two people saying "thanks" or "great post", so at least I know there is a small audience of people here to whom my posts matter.

Who do you imagine that your "ideas" matter to? If not the people here, perhaps "posterity"?

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

For all the lip service that you give to logic, I can't say that any of your ideas impress me as particularly logical. They mostly seem to be based on personal bias. Perhaps that's what people find objectionable about you, that you preach one thing and practice the opposite.

[-] 1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

The only idea I have shared with you here is for you to present evidence for your extraordinary claims. You have not been able to, you only throw logical fallacies in the wind. You went from using appeal to authority with Washington and Duff the antisemite, then you claimed argumentum ad populum saying my arguments must not be sound because of a -50 score, and now you are using ad hominem. All this instead of simply providing evidence.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

There's no point in providing you with evidence because you are too biased to consider it fairly. The basic assumption of your philosophy is that you are always right, and anything to do with conspiracy is always wrong.

You couldn't function as an intelligence analyst because you try to reduce very complex situations into simplistic arguments based on your pre-existing biases. You would dismiss evidence of a serious threat to a nation because the evidence doesn't conform to your simplistic way of thinking.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Trashy calls healthy skepticism a conspiracy theory.

It's like, his new favourite answer for everything, but that's probably a conspiracy theory too. ;-)

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I demand evidence for those that claim the Illuminati is real, that aliens engage in anal probings, that bigfoot roams the earth, etc... Is that bad? You believe everything at face value and consider yourself open-minded because of that? I consider that gullible! What's your favorite newspaper, the Enquirer?

I haven't called anything a conspiracy theory which hasn't been labelled as one before I came along.

Do you have any evidence for the Death/Torture Squads coming near us soon?

Don't you realize all this nonsense is posted on this site to destroy our reputation? Instead of talking about real problems, we talk about the deluded fantasies of schizophrenics who have access to the Internet from their insane asylum.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Good luck with your mission, trashy.

I'm pretty sure you'd have to have Area 51 clearance for most of what you're seeking.

We are talking about "real problems" here. You're that fixated person with a dozen or more handles, focussed upon conspiracies.

Let it go.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Are you saying that since we cannot have clearance to Area 51 because of military defense concerns the idea of aliens being stored there is real? You don't care about evidence, about burden of proof?

Do you believe in dragons? If I say they exist will you believe me without asking for proof?

In your book, everything that could be, even the most far fetched ideas, do exist?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

From below; "I don't follow hidden links"

But trashy, you demand evidence. Perhaps you can supply an address, so we can flood your mailbox with written evidence?

Besides, it's a youtube video, with your name on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blO3EtP_D10&feature=youtu.be

[-] 2 points by flip (5037) 1 year ago

i have had this argument with him and it is a waste of time. when backed into a corner logically he simply stops the discussion. he is a one trick pony - i find arturo somewhat the same. they make statements that cannot be backed up then just end the discussion when it gets uncomfortable. they do not have the integrity to say - i was wrong - i will adjust my thinking. some here can do that but most are very disheartening - i had hoped for more from an ows site. you keep at them builder - you seem to be on to something

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Just provide the real link instead of a false one. The address is not youtube.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

So you discount everything until empirical evidence can be peer-reviewed and several thousand innocent mice and rats have been tested?

Okay. I think I've found your anthem, Trashy. http://youtu.be/blO3EtP_D10

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I discout extraordinary claims when no evidence is provided.

You don't and that's why you are a conspiracy theorist. Now, go and promote the idea of using cyrstals to heal cancers.

Sorry, I don't follow hidden URLs for safety reasons.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

There's no point in providing you with evidence because you are too biased to consider it fairly

You've used all the excuses in the book not to provide me evidence when I asked for it.

The basic assumption of your philosophy is that you are always right, and anything to do with conspiracy is always wrong.

If you provide thorough evidence then of course I would re-consider my position. You haven't. I care about evidence, and if you're going to make far-fetch claims, then I care about evidence even more. You should to! You shouldn't believe everything people say!

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Why don't we keep things simple. Do you think we face a crisis today? I do. I think we have an economic crisis because there is a class of people who are parasitic, and take much more than then fair share out of the economy, so as a result the economy is collapsing.

I think the solution to this is to pass Glass Steagall, which would bankrupt the parasitic class, taking away the money they use to start up various wars. Then we would need a New Deal, like FDR did, on global level, to revive the global economy.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

Don't worry trashy, Builder's link goes straight to youtube. And there's no 'live traffic feed' on it. Promise. Lol!!

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Thanks Renneye. Here's trashy in song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blO3EtP_D10&feature=youtu.be

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

Lol! Very good.

A few weeks ago, I tricked trashy onto a website that had a 'live traffic feed' on it. He's been miffed at me ever since. He didn't admit he went onto the site. It showed up as Manila. He waited a week or so to get back at me...and he did! Some things are just worth it! Lol!!

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Hmmm, I am in the dark when it comes to that kind of thing.

The song just reminded me of trashy is all. Glad you enjoyed it.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Stop colluding with Conspiracy Crusaders. Stop supporting their nonsense. Stop, think, and demand proper research. Next thing you know, your look-alike will be in the arms of a Reptilian Overlord, and you'll have been killed by the Death/Torture squads!

Do you support Renneye's claim that Occupy is controlled by the Global Elite? What about her claim that Occupy uses Illuminati symbols?

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I know you never set foot in Manila. You don't have to, to have a computer connection from there. You gonna lie some more?

You're a computer expert now? Lol! Starting new conspiracy theories are you?

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

Nothing to start. You are a conspiracy.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I never went to your site my friend. I never set foot in Manilla in my entire life. Never even came close.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

I know you never set foot in Manila. You don't have to, to have a computer connection from there. You gonna lie some more?

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Another red herring? Instead of changing the subject, why not provide evidence for arturo's claims you so vehemently protect?

jdjohn1990 states that all his friends were replaced by look-alikes by the government since they all got killed. Arturo tells us we all need to buy guns and learn to use them so we can protect ourselves against this switcharoo tactic.

Have some of your friends been replaced by look-alikes? Perhaps your good friend Richard is not really who you think he his.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

If you're believing any of those yarns, I am concerned for your future, buddy.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

@below. Evidence, trashy??? I don't even know arturo, and I certainly don't jump to her/his defence. I single out your repetitive BS for attention because you have been a serial troll on this forum, and you continue to be a disruptive and compulsive nuisance, while projecting your own problems onto the shoulders of others.

You'll get no sympathy, nor special favours from me, as nobody else does either. You are, in short, a troll. You've had your arse kicked off this board more times than anybody, and now you're pretending to be some kind of forum moderator.

Blow me, mikey.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Evidence, trashy. Your post below puts words into my mouth.

Where is your evidence that I support anything you are raving on about?

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

You've had your arse kicked off this board more times than anybody, and now you're pretending to be some kind of forum moderator.

Where in the world did I claim or pretend to be a forum moderator? The only moderator here is DKAtoday.

Blow me, mikey.

Sorry, I'm not gay. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'll let you find someone else to blow you. I know you like penis talk, but, like I told you before, it's not my cup of tea. To each his own.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Where is your evidence that I support anything you are raving on about?

You constantly protect arturo when he comes to this site and plasters his nonsense all over it. You don't realize he's doing this on purpose to make use look like idiots. I question him and ask for evidence, then you come and try to stop me saying evidence is not required.

If you supported the scientific method, then you would support me when I ask for evidence.

Lithium time conspiracy theory boy.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Ad hominem now?

When will you provide the evidence to support arturo's claim you protect so vehemently? Perhaps your mom was killed by the government and replaced with a look-alike and you can't come to terms with it, so you have hidden this fact in your subconscious? Does this gives you nightmares of the Death/Torture squads? Are they prancing about in your Australian neighborhood as you sleep at night?

It's time for Lithium my friend.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Did you take your lithium today?

Like you and arturo, Builder has no evidence so he must rely on red herrings and ad hominem.

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

Have some to spare, do you? Why do you know so much about lithium?

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I'm a doctor and I specialize in deluded patient's such as yourself. In 95% of cases, Lithium is the proper ailment.

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3160) 1 year ago

You're a doctor?!?! Hahahaha! O that's rich. Where's your evidence? I MUST SEE EVIDENCE.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

You're saying the Illuminati is real, or death/torture squads are? Do you have evidence, or you don't care about that? How do you think conspiracy theories help Occupy? What's you're favorite conspiracy theory? The creation of HIV/AIDS by the US government in order to depopulate the earth, or Reptilian Overlord shape-shifters controlling the world?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I think the overlord reptilians were your creation.

I'll settle for some justice for the victims of the WTC bombings via a science-backed (popular mechanics is not science,BTW) inquiry that is staffed by people other than Americans.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

No, Overlord Reptilians are David Icke's creation. He is also the one who has pushed the modern conspiracy theory idea of the Illuminati and the New World Order.

I'll settle for some justice for the victims of the WTC bombings via a science-backed (popular mechanics is not science,BTW) inquiry that is staffed by people other than Americans.

Then you are not a conspiracy theorist and you agree with me and not arturo. I always prone serious investigative work using proper research methods. Arturo likes conspiracy theories and doesn't ask for evidence. He just believes anything that has an anti-government flavor.


This particular posting is about Death/Torture squads. Do you believe in that without requiring evidence? Arturo does, but I don't. I am asking for evidence, and he refuses to provide any.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

This is simply amazing.

http://youtu.be/xECx-42Wlho

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1243) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Lol. That was awesome.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The Illuminati are real - they will scam you out of money if you want to let them - just google em - they will be happy to accept your money so that they can invite you into their club.

There ya go - a new life's mission - go bother all of the Illuminati scammers on the internet.

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Do you also believe in Reptilian Overloads who shape-shift into human form and suck the blood out of babies for survival? Are you part of the BrotherHood? What Icke book have you read lately?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Google the Illuminati - they are right there on the internet ready to sign you up. Go pester them - I am sure they would love the attention. A secret society operating on the internet - sounds like they were made for you - or you for them.

Have Fun.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Doesn't sound like they are very secret at all.

I think you're one of them. The Obama lover variation. An Obama loving Reptilian Overlord shapeshifter. That's why you come to an anarchist website to promote the democrats. Good luck with that.

How's your next letter to the President coming?

[+] -5 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago

I see.

[-] -1 points by Kinetica (14) from Houston, TX 1 year ago

lol