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Forum Post: Corporations have consciousness too

Posted 2 months ago on Aug. 19, 2014, 6:37 a.m. EST by IndigoRed (83)
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Corporations are people because they can be taxed, are subject to the law of the land, and be taken to court for litigation too. With the scientific advent of the consciousness model, we now see that people and anything that can experience subjectively is correlated to consciousness, but I put up the claim here for scrutiny and your opinions on the matter:

Do corporations have consciousness?

Maybe something needs the ability to love to have consciousness, but many corporations commit acts of kindness that can be viewed as love for the people they've helped.

Edit: I just watched this classy and snappy philosophy video about Dostoevsky regarding consciousness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm4lLxNvfAA#t=1m58s

And so presuming experiencing suffering is required for a consciousness to emerge, I shall restate my original question as 'Do corporations suffer?'

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[-] 3 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

The ability to remain objective is what differentiates being human...those who can't we label sociopaths and animals who largely wind up in jail for putting their own desires above the welfare of other beings without hesitation or a weigh in of their actions or decisions. I don't think we want sociopaths making decisions for a nation. But that's what is starting to happen. The courts gave sociopaths the ability to pay off our government...people receiving bribes can't be trusted to remain objective...and thus the system is broken.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Rereading...This applies for out of control CEO's, corrupt politicians and gang thugs...all the same animal

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Stalin and Hitler performed charity and acts of kindness as well...it was all PR to gain the public support of their power and control..giving the puppy a cookie before you kick it in the head. There are also charitable tax deductions that provide incentive which has nothing to do with being kind...it is a mere financial calculation.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

I own a small dog

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

You could try kicking him first to see if he still wants the cookie...but I bet he would run away and be very hesitant to trust you ...but I really don't advocate animal abuse...I contribute to the humane society. I recommend cookies without violence or deception. Be aware unlimited cookies will create an insatiable monster (I now have this problem with my pup) ..he should work for it a little...and no I don't mean to compare society to animals though we have been known to act like them.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

gosh I feel like you're watching my every move

is that creepy ?

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Yes that would be creepy if it were true...but I don't own any spy gear...you may be confusing me with the NSA plus you live on here ...kind of hard to avoid you. There are groups for blogging addiction you know...but I'm still not sure if you're a bot...even creepier for me then ...isn't it?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

how many journalist must the US Militants secretly decapitate to bomb the shit of of people in Iraq ?

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

What A Crock Of Steaming Shit ! Corporations Do NOT ''Love'' nor are they ever ''kind'' .. They're Clinical Psychopaths With Short Term Profit Their Only Goal !! The Best They'll Do Is .. PUBLIC RELATIONS !!!

Here, go get a clue will ya ? Consider - ''Bringing corporations down to controllable size is a gargantuan task, but an absolute necessity if there is to be any hope for democracy. Corporations have worked the courts mercilessly since 1819 to take a wide variety of constitutional rights that were designed to cover only people & in one 30-year period - African Americans lost their legal personhood, while corporations acquired theirs. This historical crime must be reversed." from :

''The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.” -- Edward Bernays.

I'm not going to spoon feed you any more now .. so go look up Mussolinini's own very accurate definition of ''Fascism'' & try to go see where 'Corporations' come into that ! Re. your : '' .. are subject to the law of the land .. '' - whereTF do I start ?!! They WRITE the fkn laws ffs & did - ANY Corporate Banker go to jail for their MASSIVE 'Corporate Crimes' just with a reference to The 2008 Global Financial Crisis, FFS ?!!!

Meanwhile, while you are gazing at your navel & thinking of removing the fluff there, this shit is upon us :

ad iudicium et caveat ...

[-] -3 points by IndigoRed (83) 2 months ago

Hm, you are knowledgeable in this subject however I must rebut your claim that corporations are not kind as most of them conform to progressive workplace reforms such as allowing pregnant employees maternity leave and starting incentive programs to bring in more female workers. I acknowledge though that with respect to healthcare only a few choose to provide their employees with healthcare but with the Obamacare mandate that will be fully in effect by 2016

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-employer-mandate.php

you wont be able to argue this point henceforth.

They have the most capital to afford lobbies to persuade laws in their favour but the question always comes back to 'why shouldn't they?' From my perspective corporations and the private sector allow people to achieve everything possible that the government is incapable of achieving. This is because they have more autonomy over their efforts and therefore can take bigger risks without riling the public over their funds being wasted, although a board of directors/investors exist to balance any excessive spending or decision making.

As to your bankers being jailed comment

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/magazine/only-one-top-banker-jail-financial-crisis.html?_r=0

And there have been about a hundred other incarcerations of loan officers in total as a response to the crisis.

I'd still like to know occupywallstreet's take on consciousness with respect to corporations and their declaration of 'being people too'. Also, is it best to post on this site or the .net alternative?

In good faith..

[-] -1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

What do you think about Citizens United ? I read your NYT link and will reply at length later ... ''in good faith'' but your second paragraph is making my blood boil, lolol. I'll reply at length another time when I've had some sleep and cooled down, lol. In the meantime, please try to consider ....

multum in parvo ...

[+] -5 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Citizens United is too conservative to be of any interest. I suggest you stay away from supporting their right wing activities. We should encourage left wing progressive ideas instead. Are you against Mexican's like me now living in US?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

If you are Mexican...then what say should you have over a country with which you can't identify yourself with? That's like me declaring I'm american and telling the french what they should do for me. Did you come her legally? Because societies operate on collective payer systems they have to have immigration processes...it has nothing to do with race it has to do with fairness. How is it fair for one who has never paid in...to reap the benefits of the collective burden especially if your children attend scool here? The same argument is made against corporations...most of which don't identify as Americans, headquarter overseas and pay no taxes. If you aren't legal and you work...how is that possible without using a stolen social for which the identity victim is now held responsible for the burden of your income tax? If you work ilkegally then you are undercutting the wages and lowering standards for American workers. I believe first we are all human. So I have no problem with you furthering yourself, wanting a good life ...but you can't do by taking advantage of others and I think this is why so many americans are angered by illegal immigration (not at you being Mexican) ...the same way corporations have corrupted the Mexican government...making it impossible for anyone to live there happily...We have a common cause and yet you seek to divide it. It doesn't matter where you came from it matters where you are going and how you get there. Don't let party politics fool you they can promise you the world...deception comes in many forms. All they really want is a workforce that can be exploited and paid below minimum wage. Compared to Mexico it may be better than what you can achieve there but to Americans ...we view the exploitation of labor as an attack against our standard of living that diminishes the very freedom you are seeking.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

sales tax is collected by merchants

rent is collected by property owners

interest is collected by banks

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

I guess I'm not smart enough to see your point...?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

ask a pointed question then

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

No thanks...it feels like too much effort now think I'll pass - but maybe next time..

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

thanks

contributions are appreciated

[+] -5 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

I was born in Mexico and now live in Miami. It bothers you when immigrants get involved in US politics? But, to be honest, even if I was still in Mexico it would be OK for me to talk about US politics. Everyone should be able to talk about anything they want. Nothing wrong with that. The more ideas the better. OWS is international my friend.

And, what are these assumptions about me not be legal, and me taking advantage of others? You know little of me.

Should I make the same assumptions of you? Are you legal? Are you taking advantage of others?

Don't invite immigrants into US if you are going to treat them like crap.

My gosh, is this the OWS forum or a right wing anti-immigrant club?

I'm not sure who you are or what you do, but since we are playing the assumption game, I'll guess you're a red neck from Alabama, an immigrant hating redneck that makes love to his cousin Bernice.

I'm more American than you'll ever be, you immigrant basher.

And I probably paid more taxes in US than you ever will.

Your kids will be working for me soon, so close your dirty assumption filled mouth.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

Observe a CON-TROLL @ Work Above !!!

caveat - anguis in herba ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7174) 2 months ago

yea he is an idiot - or worse

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

A Con? I espouse left wing progressive views. I'm not the one talking about Citizen United.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Ok then as a legal resident why do you still identify your nationality as Mexican? Why do so many minorities go around declaring their race and national origin? That's sort of racist. If I did that as a white person...you'd declare me a supremacist...I'm a single liberal woman who voted for Obama...I'm being as honest as possible with you so you don't go around thinking white people are a bunch of hate mongers...there are reasons that Americans are angry that have nothing to do with race...personally my encounters with Mexicans have been overall sexist...my female ancestors and the culture of America was to fight for female rights...fought for sufferage and respect...and when I find my self getting leered at and eyeball raped by so many of the Spanish men I meet I tend to firm opinions about that and would like to keep that culture at arms length...and yeah discussion is a good thing...when I see young spanish girls encouraged to wear skin tight clothing and having sex at the age of 12 I have to wonder what kind of culture encourages this? You want honesty...there it is maybe I'm judgemental but anyone who pretends they aren't is lying to you. Maybe you are a good person...but overall the way I view your culture and treatment of women...meh...I know there are good things about Mexican culture...quite frankly I couldn't live without your food...but on the things of importance to me overall I can't identify with. When you declare yourself a Mexican living in America it makes me wonder if you want to bring the shit parts of your culture here instead of embrace the good parts of ours. Mexico wasn't really working for you was it? I tbought you wanted to try being American? And yet you still think of yourself as Mexican first. You can disagree and its a good chance to dispel some of my views...but unless someone gets honest with you...you will never get the chance. Also your last comment to me about my kids working for you ...brought out an ugly truth...since you clearly view this as you against white people. The implication what seemed an ugly truth being "want to outweigh and dominate you"...? If you don't help us uphold our standard of living...we will end up being just like Mexico. When you join occupy in America I would hope it is to further the cause of worker rights not the Mexican cause for amnesty...quite frankly its keeping a lot of people away from the general cause because for forementioned reasons like mine they may not agree...and every time they might have attended an event to oppose a corporate takeover they see you there advocating fir a Mexican takeover and sorry but that's how it seems. Amnesty is not the same cause as occupy...at least not to me...in fact I view it as the opposite. Legal or illegal we can't let corporations garner an in between.

Ps miami is the identity theft capital of the world...my own id theft was traced there. Its also a hotbed of immigration.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

He's noT Mexican !!! He's jusT another annoying 'man-child' !! And a naughTy li'l Troll To booT lol !

paz y luz - siempre ...

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Your heritage doesn't magical puff away when you become a US citizen. What makes America great is that people come with different heritages. Why would you want people to forget that, to lose the richness which is America.

What are you? Some kind of right wing anti-immgrant trailer park boy?

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

I can also say upward mobility made america great...its also been one of the most closed minded places in history...rooted in slavery, no voting rights for women, scrutiny of other cultures and puritanical in nature...every inch of freedom has been fought for tooth and nail with blood and sweat and protest to become the country we've ( or our forefathers made)..and it's all going to be undone by corporations...sadly you can't see immigrants are being brought here to work as a corporate exploited underclass...on their behalf ...immigrants are the scabs...it is not that you're different...time and time again Americans have realized progress and adapted to acceptance. We're angry because an influx of amnestized workers will undercut upward mobility.

[-] 0 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

its also been one of the most closed minded places in history..

Sure, but that's not an excuse to continue that sad trend.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Oh jesus remember freedom fries this wasn't that long ago...what a completely idiotic gesture. Yes soo open. If you consider budging an elephant easy.

Well if Mexico was awesomely swell you might convince Americans to listen to your views...unfortunately you've proven yourselves inefficient at fighting corruption because as stuffy as we can be...no one is getting beheaded here like they are in your country of origin. So you are planning to bring your culture and ideas here...can you see why that may worry some? Convince me that I want you on my side...especially when many seem to be willing corporate scabs and the first order of business here is to go apply for social benefits which the massive amount of unemployed people now so desperately need?

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

You are an extremely shallow individual. Full of assumptions about my culture, why I came to American, whether I'm legal or not, etc... And, all your assumptions are negative.

Instead of making assumptions about immigrants that live in your country, pay taxes, and help America be a better place, why don't you simply ask them and see why they came, what their goals are, etc...?

You come off as an uneducated anti-immigrant redneck. And, that's not an assumption. That's from reading your hate filled assumption based attacks.

You don't belong on this left wing progressive forum.

You belong on that Citizen United thing shadz66 was going on about.

Convince me that I want you on my side...

The problem is the opposite. I'm not here to convince you of anything, but you have convinced me that I want nothing to do with you. You're an uneducated hate filled anti-immigrant arse.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Seeing as you are not the mask that you represent yourself to be - you really have not a single legitimate complaint to make - thrashingmasks.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

And you are an arrogant third world import .historically.every group of immigrants who came here had to fight for and prove their worth...you want automatic acceptance and refuse to even promote what you might have to contribute...here we are dusty third world immigrants willing to work for peanuts and demanding your tax money in the streets...total complete arrogance. What is your interest in American culture especially when you view us all as gun toting violent red necks? Do you just love that we work so hard to have enough benefit money to soak up the loafs among you?

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

If your Mexican status wasn't so important to you...you wouldn't have mentioned it to start with...you made it an issue and made an assumption that one would be bothered by it

It is important to me. I was born in Mexico. It is part of my heritage. I should be able to mention and be proud of my Mexican heritage without it triggering boring old anti-immigration rhetoric on your part.

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Yes and when I don't give you automatic acceptance...which I don't give to anyone immigrant or not you threaten me and make bigoted posts and accusations as well as several assumptions about who I am and what I stand for ...you are on an anti immigrant witch hunt...

I never asked for automatic acceptance. I never even asked for your acceptance.

What you should be is neutral, and if you want to know something then ask.

There's no reason to make assumptions either way.

I have no idea what a right wing anti-immgrant troll is doing on an OWS forum. Seriously.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

If your Mexican status wasn't so important to you...you wouldn't have mentioned it to start with...you made it an issue and made an assumption that one would be bothered by it

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Who said I wanted automatic acceptance? What's up with all these assumptions and stereotype remarks. Are you a neo KKK or just dumb beyond belief?

Your moronic statements and empty accusations don't deserve a response.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Yes and when I don't give you automatic acceptance...which I don't give to anyone immigrant or not you threaten me and make bigoted posts and accusations as well as several assumptions about who I am and what I stand for ...you are on an anti immigrant witch hunt...

[-] 0 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

Nope. I'm just against Trash Talking Trolls Trying To geT a rise !!! Only an idioT would Think That I was speaking up for C.U., given my initial reply on this thread !! You are about as Mexican as I am Inuit, lol !

et temet nosce ...

[-] 4 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Although man children can be Mexican not all man children are Mexican my hatred for man children is undeniable and strong they come in all shapes and colors but you will know one when you meet one. If you've never met a man-child you just might be one...that goes for woman too...man-child syndrome isn't gender specific (i hate lady-children too). Kill all the man children...man children..I will take you down! Add to that racism is becoming a sort of new MCarthyism...while I don't deny the existence...labeling every comment as racist closes the door to discussion...and thus to progress.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

''The Fun of Empire : Fighting on All Sides of a War in Syria'', by Glenn Greenwald :

Which concludes ... ''How long before we hear that U.S. military action is needed (again) in Libya to restrain the chaos and extremism unleashed by the NATO intervention in Libya ? Does anyone really believe that “limited” bombing of Syria and Iraq in a rage against ISIS will result in anything other than more justifications for military action in that region ?''

So we can see where ''man-child'' syndrome combined with lots of things that go 'BANG' is getting us. Furthermore, 'racism' is a glitch of the mind that does not only afflict white people but from the p-o-v of African-American people in the USofA - it is still a very real historic and present phenomenon - akin to Apartheid in some locations and which can no longer be ducked & thus I append :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

Trash Talking Trolls Trying To geT a rise !!!

part of this place

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

If you don't support Citizen United, then don't go around the web advertising for them.

Let's keep it clean and stick to left wing progressive ideologies.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

Listen Diego Shmi-ego, STOP looking for my aTTenTion and I will stop kicking your sorry ass !!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

I believe in left wing progressive ideologies and I will support those when I must. If you continue advertising right wing ideologies on the OWS forum we will continue to clash.

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

WhereTF am I ''advertising right wing ideologies'', anywhere on this forum .. ever, you piece of shiT ?!!! You are a chameleon Trashy and a reactionary to booT - geddit ?!! I've always had your number & will never sTop kicking your Trolling arse either !

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

You pulled out Citizen United out of a hat to include it in a discussion.

You seemed eager to talk about that organization. Why?

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

It's called a 'leading question' - you shit-stirring Trolling Turd !!!

So why have you actually stuck your nose in here anyfknway ?!!

Are you ''IndigiRed'' too & just how many log-ins are u on now ?!

multum in parvo ...

[-] -3 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Yes, a leading question towards Citizen United talk. Kind of like mormons suddenly asking you if you've heard of Joseph Smith, or Twoofers asking if you've heard of "Building 7".

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1406) 2 months ago

Errr, so re. ''Building 7'' - have you heard of it ?!!! Above all oThers here, shouldn't you undersTand The naTure and uses of ''a leading question'' lol ?!! Also, how abouT you sTop winding people up here wiTh lies, misdirection and deceiT or is ThaT really Too much To ask ?!

verum ex absurdo ...

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[-] 2 points by trashyharry (2877) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

People who care about verifying facts and who won't accept historical revisionism are "Truthers." People who would like to walk down the street without having to step over the bodies of fellow citizens who have died from lack of food,shelter and healthcare are "Bleeding Heart Liberals." People who want to promote good and helpful acts and ideas are "Do-Gooders." People who care about nature and believe in conservation of natural resources for the sake of future generations are "Tree Huggers." People who are conservative believers are "Islamofascists" or "Bible Thumpers." Immigrants from South of the border all swam the Rio Grande and are therefore "Wetbacks." " Sorry,dude-your BS is BS and it just don't wash.Bogus and decrepit generalizations don't contribute a thing to ant kind of discussion that is worth having.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Truthers are the scum of the earth.

They profit from a grave US tragedy by making up lies and nonsense in order to sell books, DVDs, talks, etc...

Truthers are basically as amoral as they come.

Anything to make a buck.

Chronic liars, and retards for life. AKA Truthards.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Truthers are the scum of the earth.

Giving us a description of yourself are ya? Because it seems that you are the only one who knows and disseminates ( your own brand ) of truth.

So you are the original ( to be despised ) truth-er and judge of all things good and evil. HUH - and - WOW must your head be huge - are your doorways like hobbit holes? - being rather large and round to accommodate your fat head.

[+] -4 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

Lol, you are funny. Truthers don't verify facts, they make up facts. All kinds of facts. They think a missile hit the Pentagon, or that there were no planes at all. Truthers are mentally ill.

What Truthers do is promote BS. They also promote anti-democratic ideas like the idea that it is OK to accuse people without providing evidence.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (2877) from Waterville, NY 2 months ago

Wrong again,Do all of us a favor and go suck on a gun that shoots magic bullets.That way you can get seven bullet holes in your shitty and unneeded person with one bullet.

[-] 2 points by flip (7174) 2 months ago

corporations are people because they are taxed?? land is taxed - is it a person - at least it is more alive than a corporation! need i go on?

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

The better question...is Indigo Red conscious? Thinking probably not...I'm picturing some half baked dizzy blonde twirling a strand of hair around her fingers...? That or a ten year old?

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (83) 2 months ago

I just posed a question for discussion and hoped it would be thought-provoking, no need for name-calling.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

I'm sorry I called the president a war puppet

[-] -2 points by DiegoAlbanese (-45) from Miami, FL 2 months ago

I agree. Such name calling should not be tolerated on this forum. It lessens the discussion to a kindergarten level.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

sounds like you've done some research me

[-] 1 points by flip (7174) 2 months ago

I think I like you

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Except corporations lack the ability for objectivity...they see only one thing and that is profit margin even at the cost of human welfare and life..otherwise we would have computers running our government and courts...the danger of having corporations run our government is that it is basically a computer only generating results for one thing and that is profit above all else...even the will of the people or the rights of the individual. If you want a computer to decide a calculation based on profit vs your civil rights ...then you are already well on your way...what percentage of poison will they allow in your child's formula...any according to their need for profit. A computer can't see the rights of individual...nor can a corporation their only function is to get away with as much as they can to generate more wealth for themselves. A society can't function with algorithms that are purely subjective deciding what sacrifice the individual should be willing to make so a private shareholder or group of shareholders can profit. We need humans at the helm because humans can differentiate justice and have the capability of objectivity...corporations are a machine designed for one thing only ...making money...period. Your argument is you don't mind having a purely subjective machine designed to put money above all else in charge of your life and the life of your children ...do you understand what you are advocating for?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1866) from Cornelius, OR 2 months ago

Yes, and lots and lots of Human Votes!!!

2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 4 points by elf3 (2735) 2 months ago

Corporation are also deciding the candidates...which ones work best for them...they put forth the candidates and let us decide the lesser of two evils...unlimited campaign contributions to both parties...and you get to choose between comcast or verizon. You see they don't distinguish between left or right...they only distinguish what will generate the most wealth for themselves. They do the real choosing before it even hits the ballot.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (83) 2 months ago

Maybe evolution will allow us to remove our cravings for love and compassion while corporations of the future provide occupations and capability for the masses. It could work the same way our taken-for-granted autoimmune system evolved - I'm sure our ancestors had members of society with extreme sensitivity who dwindled over millenia, and thousands of years from now we will have societies with completely different humans with vast differences due to our accelerating technologies for preserving all life.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (83) 2 months ago

I just watched this classy and snappy philosophy video about Dostoevsky regarding consciousness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm4lLxNvfAA#t=1m58s

And so presuming experiencing suffering is required for a consciousness to emerge, I shall restate my original question as 'Do corporations suffer?'

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1733) 2 months ago

Do corporations have consciousness?

that may be an underlying problem to the abuse by them allowed

employee: those are rules and I must follow them