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Forum Post: "COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum"

Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 7, 2012, 11:23 a.m. EST by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY
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From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x281170 .

"There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING' If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING' A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com ) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION' Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION' Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the forum members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING' Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL' It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes."

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[-] 4 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

thread anchoring (open locking)

post a fact or opinion the original poster and the thread supporters don't want to keep up

causing the thread to drop

if the thread refuses to die , use it as a platform float your post

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[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

I've seen every one of these methods attempted over the months.

I've found attempting to thwart them to be great fun.

All you have to do to get them to initiate a forum slide, is post anything to do with ALEC.

It's always amazed me how fast the truth about ALEC could start a slide.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

I agree that more need to aware of it.

It follows right in line with methods of multi-pronged marketing/PR.

Ed Bernays would be proud.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

They are the legislative arm of the (R)epelican't party.

(R)epelican'ts are far too stupid to write it on their own.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Karl likely wrote the rules for cointelpro.

That kind of thing is right up his alley.

He makes it self perpetuating and self replicating.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

The Koch brothers just had a retreat and have some money. http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/opinion/x1720878349/Press-The-anti-Obama-hate-machine

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

There is another one out there discussing a split between the Rove and the Koch brothers. Want it?

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65504.html

This is the first article that I have come across discussing it. To be honest, I expect there to be differences down the line but it looks like a bit of theater. Considering that they united for a common cause at one point indicates that there was no real intention to stay the course for beyond that. I suppose a petty fight over control of a database could do it if they tried real hard.

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[-] 2 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 12 years ago

I've also seen these techniques played out again and again on other forums as well. Scientologists did this to get protestors to attack the "trolls" instead of doing productive work like creating flyers or doing outreach.

Whenever you are confronted with posts that are not productive or that don't provide constructive criticism, ask yourself "do I need to spend time debating this? Is this keeping me from doing something tangible to help to movement?"

If we all emailed one of our senators instead of replying to a troll post for each post that comes up here...

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

"If we all emailed one of our senators instead of replying to a troll post for each post that comes up here..."

Similar thoughts have been occurring to me alot lately. I should be contacting my "socalled" representatives more frequently.

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[-] 2 points by WatTyler (263) 12 years ago

Thank you! Great information. I find #5 the most troubling, first because of my personal distaste for violence, but more importantly because I view it as the quickest way to discredit and destroy any potential effectiveness of those who wish to champion the American people.

[-] 2 points by riethc (1149) 12 years ago

Great post.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

This thread still exists, but can it be seen?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

I'll give it a bump and see.

The bots seemed to be messing with it yesterday.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

seen

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

At least 5 of the 6 seem to be in heavy rotation today.

This needs another bump.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

Hah! I thought this would ring a bell. Yes, we see these techniques all the time.

Thanks for the all the good ideas and insights.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 12 years ago

The BEST way to control the opposition is to lead the opposition.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 12 years ago

We see all of that here. There is are years of it documented on about 30 pages linked from these. Surprising the legitimate seeming sites that proliferate cognitive infiltration.

http://algoxy.com/ows/owsinfiltratingforum.html http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-sitemap.html

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

Interesting points at your links. Of course, there's also 'false jacketing' where a bad guy pretending to be a good guy pointing out the bad guys 'false jackets' a good guy as a bad guy. Ouch!

Once you follow Alice down the rabbit hole into Wonderland or through the looking glass . . .

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 12 years ago

Is that a varient on the "strawman" where a baddie gets one who is sincere to invest in misinfo, then another baddie shoots down the misinfo and the sincere is left holding the bag?

[-] 1 points by Truth4Life (43) 12 years ago

'bad guy pretending to be good guy'

Sounds like democraticunderground, sorry to say.

I am among several people who posted on that site for several years and my posts were almost always well received by the crowd there. Unfortunately, DU has shown itself to be nothing more than a Zionist front organization. The proof of that is that several people like me who posted in favor of Palestinian rights have been banned from that site. Nothing in our post were anti-Israel or Jew hating or Jew baiting (in fact some of us who were banned are Jewish, myself among them). DU proclaims itself to be a liberal site. In fact, it is nothing more than an Islamophobic hate site that pretends to be do-goody.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

It's all David Allen/Skinner. I know that site well. Totally a false front, neocon mods are allowed to run riot. While there's a lot of good content there (by individual posters) I believe they actually try to run people out.

I believe it was designed as a venting (and surveilling) site, not as a force for change site.

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 12 years ago

I agree completely. I was banned in 2004 from DU for simply using evidence and reason in proving how FEMA decieved NIST about the structures of the Twins. I think your experience adds credence, along with mine, as it is consistent from another angle, that DU is a zionist front organization.