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You're not going to end capitalism until you can prove to the majority there is something that will work better.
It might be more productive to focus on making the regulation of capitalism more effective and fair.
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Well you've set yourself a worthy goal. It's going to require just that too. A functioning economic system actually being built, not simply talked about.
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Doesn't matter what anyone says. It's only results that count.
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Capitalism will end when an large enough majority want it to. Most don't see anything better at this point in time.
We have already tried making the regulation of capitalism more effective and fair. It didn't work. It will never work because capitalism depends on a dog eat dog life. It's time to evolve.
There are certainly problems finding politicians that are not corrupted by money. That makes effective regulation difficult if not impossible to obtain. That doesn't change the fact that an overwhelming majority of people actually believe capitalism at its worst is better then any form of socialism.
How can we change the overwhelming majority to believe that something new would be better than capitalism even at it's best?
There isn't one formula for changing the minds of people. If I had to make a suggestion it would be a multi pronged approach. Recruiting honest people to run for congress, lobbying for better regulation, better pay, a more equitable tax system.
Anyone is free to work toward ending capitalism, I just don't see that as being successful in America.
There is a formula but we aren't using it yet. The Revolution is Love!
Real revolution? You're as likely to have an authoritarian right wing emerge from that as anything else.
I'm biased, I have a preference for change through the system. The problem is the same though, getting the masses to take some positive action.
Yes, a real revolution. I am not happy with what currently exists. The Revolution is Love is obviously non-violent. Changing through the system is going up against pros that prevent the very change we need.
The masses taking positive action is all we need. The motivation for the masses is Love!
We may be essentially talking about the same thing. If people could agree on what form their government should take and how their economy should be run and stay actively engaged in the process we'd get change.
Up to now that's been a problem. The masses are not united in any particular set of goals. They also seem too easily distracted with their own private lives and fail to stay aware of what's happening in the political and economic arena.
The masses are only concerned with their own lives and expect others to protect them from tyranny. They will unite when the cause and the time is right. Let's hope something happens soon to spark the revolution.
It may happen, I don't see any possibility for it any time soon. There wasn't a rebellion during the Great Depression, things were a lot worse. As bad as things may look now, I don't believe there is enough true economic misery for any kind of revolution.
It will be different than any other "rebellion", because it will occur with sheer numbers insisting on a return to democracy. When the masses realize their power, the new economics will create the greatest advancement in human history. No more competing with each other... we all live together.
Sounds like a nice dream. I don't believe human nature is up to that level of altruism.
We love you whether you help or not.
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Perhaps, the abolition of slavery was certainly better then continuing the war.
It doesn't matter though, you can't get capitalism changed or eliminated unless you can convince a majority to do it. At best people are moving very slowly toward accepting a slightly more socialist state. Even with that there is no strong national movement with the numbers that could hope to eliminate capitalism for a very long time.
You are behind on your understanding of merchants being able to mark up profits as high as possible. Price fixing by large corps establish prices, unlike previous times when competition itself established prices.
Capitalism needs to be altered and eventually abandoned, but I am curious why so many of my employees thanked me that i had a business that paid them to work. Most employers work and need their employees to work with them to generate enough sales to pay everyone, often there are no profits.
The Slaves of Thomas Jefferson Loved him too. But, they were slaves .. of a different world a different time .. some day your world of Capitalism will be of a different world , of a different time.. When all is shared equally .. and there is fairness across the land.. When dreams really do come true.
Never heard of "capitalist LAW. Seems to me if a person doesn't want to work for an employer they should go into busiess for themselves.
But I guess that's not an option because the vast majority of people who work for employers don't want to take the risk to do it.
To be an employer one has to be "business smart" to survive. - and in order to survive an employer needs to make a profit.
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I Agree.... it is the BEST answer.... all else will easily follow....
hmmm.... maybe we should call it... the "States Reserve Bank"...
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PS, in my opinion... we need to think about the ease of implementation....
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ok... PS... good luck starting your civil war ... ???
Says it's okay to dredge up an argument that's been thrashed out and dismissed before.
It is time to end this tired non-argument.
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In a country with regulated banks, and controlled capitalism, the middle class thrives, and so does the economy.
What you need to be opposing is the deregulation of both the banks, and the corporations.
Reinstate Glass-Stegal, and overturn Citizen's United.
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Remove private enterprise?
You're proposing communism, or a version of socialist collectivism.
Good luck with that, because you'll need all the luck you can muster.
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"free market" capitalism is private tyranny.
Regulated capitalism is the reason America became a great nation.
Such a shame your congress got bought out by the highest briber/bidder.
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Not profit cap. It won't work.
I've already stated that I believe regulated capitalism works, and has worked.
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Show me where profit cap has ever been a part of regulated capitalism.
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Show us where it has worked.
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Without ant facts to back your opinion, the statement is irrelevant. Just hot air that soon dissipates.
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Show us where it worked.
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Oh, I get it. You're VQ, right?
Capitalist LAW say's union busting is desirable, for lowering wages and benefits, while raising profits!!!
That may or may not be true. Your problem is there is no real support to actually change the laws.
The majority believe that regulated capitalism and the competition it provides work better then a pure libertarian socialism.
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You're one of the few. If capitalism is going to be eliminated it's going to take generations for it to happen.
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Oh on that I might agree with you, if a crash happens soon and is total. You might find people turning more toward an authoritarian government though. If a crash doesn't happen the mass of people will go back to their own private concerns and not pay any attention to what the rich have.
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Those two billion live in places where there is little economy of any kind. Capitalism will only fall if it fails in the developed nations. The poverty in the third world only makes those two billion more susceptible what capitalism promises.
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You may be right, but that doesn't matter. The problem is to convince the world there is something better that would actually work and not make them worse off then they are now.
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It isn't the elite that you have to worry about. The public in general is not willing to trust that some form of socialism would be any better then capitalism.
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I'm not saying it's great. What I'm saying is that based on what I see there is no public support for dismantling capitalism. Pension systems depend on the profits generated from it, just over half the people in the US own stock.
My own public employee pension system depends on profit made by companies it's invested in so there is certainly some self interest in the present system.
There is also the question of what do you replace it with? There is no way a majority are going to accept any form of socialism in this country.
People might support higher taxes for the wealthy and more regulation, but there is no large mass of people out there in the US looking to end capitalism.