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Forum Post: Can't we just say the republican Party is not qualified to govern because they are racist?

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 27, 2012, 9:03 a.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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[-] 4 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

Over 94% blacks did (08) and WILL (2 wks) vote for Obama. THAT is racist, honey.

[-] 2 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Most blacks would vote for a Democrat anyway.

But that can be seen as a racist remark too.

You can easily be accused of racism for a trivial remark.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Students saw through, & knew better than the multi generational racist Pauls.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/04/ron-paul-refutes-rand-pauls-racial-history-lesson.php?ref=fpblg

Whata ya think.?

[-] -1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

Only in left\y land. The REAL 99% of this country are not so sensitive.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Roots of Repub party racism.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/nixon-bigger-crime-southern-strategy-article-1.1891611

History must be corrected.

Retire racist pols!!!

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Give Rush the Bumsrush!

http://www.nationofchange.org/limbaugh-s-new-racism-1361805743

You support Limbaugh?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Here is just released early evidence of Repub party strategy of "Southern strategy" of appealing to racists.

http://front.moveon.org/just-released-audio-of-former-reaganbush-advisor-lays-out-how-gop-planned-to-win-the-votes-of-racists/?rc=daily.share

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Replace racist conservatives w/ tolerant progressives

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[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Yeah, black people will vote even more than 94% against their clear and present enemy. Pollsters say Mitt the Mormon gets zero percent black support, not six percent like McCain got.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago
[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Can't we help foster world wide peace and just donate Texass as the new Israeli state? - then Palestine could have Gaza and the ground Israel is sitting on - and US aid to Israel could be decreased quite considerably - and ..............aaaaaAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAHAHAHahahahaha sorry. . . . . . . . . HAAAAHAHAHahahahahaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeheheheheeeheheeee

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

You do know that as I read your comment I have a vivid image of "The Joker" cackling as he spurts ominous threats.

Funny.

Peace

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

a vivid image of "The Joker" cackling as he spurts ominous threats.

Who? Rick Perry?aaaaaAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAHAHAHahahahaha sorry. . . . . . . . .HAAAAHAHAHahahahahaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeheheheheeeheheeee

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

He isn't smart enough. Joker is an evil genius.

Perry more of a henchman.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

True true so very true -

  • doesn't boast well for the Texass edge-ummm-ahhh-kate-shunnn-alll system though does it? That the Dick Perry got into office in the 1st place.
[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

no it doesn't (nor their previous Gov)

But I keep hearing that Texas is turning so I suppose there is hope

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

There is always hope - as hope is the last thing to die - and we are still here soooooooo

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

And hope is comatose, so get the paddles!

Clear!!!......

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

CHUUUMMME - - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - no response 30 miligrams of . . . . . . .

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

He's flat lining, we're losing him,

(quick make sure the cameras ain't rollin, can't afford a malpractice lawsuit).

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (1623) 1 minute ago

"We gotta get this done before the boss get's back!! Nyuck nyuck!"

Now I'm feelin 3 stooges, or maybe Marx bros.

In any event, time to call it.

Hope has died @ 7:37 ET on 7/25/14.

Next

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Good thing we kept the cameras going - we would have been up shit creek if we couldn't prove to the Dickall Insurance Group that we didn't do or try to do anything that could be percieved as expensive and or unnecessary.........wheeeewww - HEY - LIKE HE SAID NEXT

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Wait a minute. There's movement, no heart beat but definite movement.

"it's alive" "ALIVE!!"

As it turns out hope never dies because, Wait for it.....

Hope is a ZOMBIE!!!

(in the spirit of the current comic con I thought we'de take the story into Sci fi)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Hope is a zombie????? I thought Zombies were corp(se)oRATions - the so to say living dead. Is Hope Incorp(se)oRATed now? Can't be doing well as an IPO.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

Not to worry ( ins ) this hospital is a Dickall Insurance Group facility . . . . . quick . . . quick . . . spank the nurse.....................

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

eeeeeeee spank the nurse?//// I can't see how that could possibly help the patient....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You're right it won't help the patient.............eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

eeeeeeeeeeeeee Well........then..........WHY??? eeeeeeeeeeee

eeeeeeeee OH - well ....ahem... I thought it would be funny to watch and he is right next to you . . . and can't you use a little stress relief right about now? eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

"We gotta get this done before the boss get's back!! Nyuck nyuck!"

Now I'm feelin 3 stooges, or maybe Marx bros.

In any event, time to call it.

Hope has died @ 7:37 ET on 7/25/14.

Next

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

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[-] 0 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

If you're a 'nazihunter', what the hell are you doing in America? Not much game on this side of the world. Never has been.

[-] 1 points by pigeonlady (200) from Brooklyn, NY 3 months ago

Hi, Cap, see you're everywhere! For some reason my mother wanted to move us as kids from Brooklyn to an area largely populated by Germans, many of whom belonged to the Nazi party. Actually her side of the family was white, and my father's mixed and some creepy, so he didn't mind. At first. Twice we came home from rides in the country and there was a noose hanging from the lantern over the garage door. The cops said if dad cared about us he would take us and go back where we came from, leave the house and everything we had, and the money invested in it, because we weren't wanted. Just a couple of incidents. All three of us kids were abused with the usual ethnic excuses. Actually don't understand how Nazis think they're elite, when they usually are offenders of varying types and non too bright either. Inbreeding I guess. But, as of 10 years ago, the are was still prevalently supremacist. FYI.

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

But why would a Nazi move to America of all places?

Care to name the area and the year?

[-] 1 points by pigeonlady (200) from Brooklyn, NY 3 months ago

I actually referred to when I lived in southcentral PA. Some were hiding, obviously. I knew of groups where the meetings were held in German, even in Brooklyn in the late 60s. in PA I knew quite a number of Germans who came over as kids or their parents did, and openly sided with Germany, but if confronted feigned patriotism. It's still there, just under a veil of PCness. Presently if you go to south New Jersey, in Elmer on 609 there are swastikas on the road showing where meetings and safe houses are. Between Elmer and Monroeville around Monroeville road.

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[-] 0 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

That's what I thought. Another die-hard conservative wacko who associates virtually every thought left of center with Nazism. Tell you what wize-ass. Care to debate me on the issue of economics? In particular, the distribution of wealth and it's relevance?

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[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

Then why the implication that I'm a Nazi?

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[-] -3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Revvin' up now boss!!

Hang on!

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[-] -3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

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[-] -3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Just sent Private message w/ error

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[-] -3 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Te nada

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[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

94% of Catholics did not vote for Kennedy in 1960. At one point last year Herman Cain was leading the Republican presidential race. Prior to 2008, Alan Keyes received support from many Republicans.

You just want to play one person against another.

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

One of the accomplishments of the civil rights movement was that overt racism became socially unacceptable at least in terms of discourse. Racist politicians had to go from shouting the n word to shouting "states rights" and so forth. Nixon the leader of the Party of Lincoln, took advantage of the fact that Johnson was forced by events beyond his control to endorse and get in front of the civil rights parade and the "Great Society" effort to buy peace on America's streets while the Vietnam war raged on. Nixon literally "flipped the script."

One of the outcomes of this turn of events was that the GOP desperately needed black faces in their efforts to "disprove" that the "Southern strategy" and the "angry white guy strategy" wee in fact the anti black strategy, so a new if limited job opportunity did open up for some small number of black people, and some probably took the job in true and honest belief in what they were doing and some not so legit. The job I am discussing is the job of being anti black racism's black face, and it leads to possibilities in business and media jobs.

Never had George Wallace felt the need to organize a "blacks for Wallace" contingent but David Duke did! (feel the need). Look it up.

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

So Condaleeza Rice is an affirmative action outcome?

[-] -2 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I don't know her personal story whether she benefited from affirmative action but ask yourself if she would have had a ghost of a chance had there not been a somewhat successful civil rights movement. Ask yourself what role she would have got in a George Wallace White House?

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ask your self what kind of chance the civil rights movement would have had with out white support - you know the racists you complain about all white people being - now if as you contend - all white people are racist - how did the civil rights movement prevail?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

He didn't say ALL white people!

[-] -3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The civil rights movement was largely a coalition of Black people and Jewish people (and a few others) and it made some limited gains in certain areas of life for many black people but never solved the most pressing and urgent ones - it in fact to a great extent fulfilled a Jewish agenda as Jewish people at that time also were to an extent hit by Jim Crow style discrimination, and racialist discourse hurt Jewish people's positions too but Jewish people did not need as a group much of what the civil rights movement did not accomplish, though undoubtedly people like Dr. Rice did make material gains as well as the more cosmetic and philosophical gains like being allowed to vote (under attack once again to the deafening and won't be forgotten silence of white "radicals") and access to the same water fountains and most of all the curtailing and putting into a state of disrepute racialist discourse.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Cat got your tongue? Did you get yourself banned? You are so quiet all of a sudden. Still working on your fictional civil rights story?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wow - so you are saying that only Jews stood with the civil rights movement? That is so strange. R U sure? I mean they would have still been the minority - how did they prevail against the all white racists ( except for Jews(?) who were apparently getting their own out of the deal? ) - ummmmm some how I do believe that you are full of shit.

BTW - all of the Jews(?) or just the black Jews?

EDIT: BTW - does this mean that you are some sort of Black supremacist?

EDIT: PS - as a black supremacist would be just as nasty as a white supremacist.


[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (811) from New York, NY 30 minutes ago

The civil rights movement was largely a coalition of Black people and Jewish people (and a few others) and it made some limited gains in certain areas of life for many black people but never solved the most pressing and urgent ones - it in fact to a great extent fulfilled a Jewish agenda as Jewish people at that time also were to an extent hit by Jim Crow style discrimination, and racialist discourse hurt Jewish people's positions too but Jewish people did not need as a group much of what the civil rights movement did not accomplish, though undoubtedly people like Dr. Rice did make material gains as well as the more cosmetic and philosophical gains like being allowed to vote (under attack once again to the deafening and won't be forgotten silence of white "radicals") and access to the same water fountains and most of all the curtailing and putting into a state of disrepute racialist discourse. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] -3 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I did not say "only Jews stood with the civil rights movement" - in fact I specifically said that others were also involved but anyone who was there at the time or studies it now knows that Jewish funding, and the participation of well motivated Jewish young people were essential to that movement as it was. And yes, Jews as a group did benefit from the civil rights movement as did eventually white women and gays. A "black supremacist" has to be a joke as black people have supremacy perhaps as professional athletes and musicians and some are now wealthy entrepreneurs in those areas but look even with Obama black people as a group remain marginalized. A Romney victory will worsen that marginalization if you actually could give a shit about that.

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Well, Ronald Reagan was the person who gave her the nod, and the Democrats always call him a racist. He also gave the nod to Colin Powell.

I do know that Obama would not be where he is without affirmative action.

[-] -2 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Yeah, in that sense it was affirmative action in that at one time it would have not been on the table at all- a black woman and one so dark skinned too being allowed to show her worth to the fascist state.

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

I don't think Rice got any freebies via affirmative action and Powell proved himself many times over.

Obama hasn't.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I'm not saying she got any "freebie." I'm saying that without the civil rights movement (and women's movement). she would not have been even on the B list of possible appointees. I'm not assuming that the post "naturally" belongs to a white guy.

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[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

There is a huge difference between 78% and 94% of a population.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

yeah? you didthat math yourself or did you use a calculator?

You said 94% of Catholics did NOT vote for Kennedy. I linked evidence that only 22% did not.

So you were way off. Why? Where did you get that number from? Did you make it up? Did you make up your other contentions also?

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

The comment pertained to the fact that 94% (an overwhelming number) voted of blacks voted for Obama. They voted for him because he was black. Given the same opportunity in 1960, why didn't 94% of Catholics vote for Kennedy?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your statement was: "94% of Catholics did not vote for Kennedy in 1960"

Heres is the link!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/cant-just-the-republican-party-is-not-qualified-to/#comment-867069

So what lie are you trying to pull now? The 94% you mentioned was about blacks voting for Obama?

LMFAO. What a joke. You said 94%, Catholics, & Kennedy. but you meant blacks?, & Obama?. Bullshit!

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Typicall argumentative response. You are taking it our of context. But you don't care because you don't want to solve problems, just argue. You want to call Republicans racist but don't want to discuss the facts.

You have had your four years in office and had control of the Congress for two years. Your man couldn't get it done. All he has done is increased spending and force through a health care bill that the majority of Americans are against.

If anybody is racist it is you. You expect all blacks to vote Democratic. You expect all Latinos to vote Democratic. And you don't even mention that Obama is losing the white male vote.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I didn't state what I "expect"! My personal expectations/preference (or yours) are not relevant.

But if your gonna lie about the percent of Catholics (94%?) who voted against Kennedy, you gotta be challenged, and I gotta questions any other assertion you make.

Now what about white men. Most are voting for Romney? What is the percent? . (we'll see if you're gonna be honest)

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

A Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week found that white men support Romney over Mr. Obama, 65 percent to 32 percent - a 2-to-1 margin.

Obama doesn't represent all the people. He has lost the white male vote.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Those white man numbers seem a little higher than usual (Dems do not usually win the white man vote)

Do you think the larger white man numbers against PresObama because he is black?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

No, it's because people are out of work and they know that spending and redistributing their money is not the way to get out of this.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stimulating (spending) the economy is absolutely the only way to resolve the repub created recession.

Europe tried austerity and made their economies worse. We started a recovery because of the stimulus we enacted. Would have been a stronger recovery if repubs haven't traitorously (not racist?) obstructed every dem proposal to increase employment & strengthen the recovery.

Parades are kinda silly to argue about! Not a valid example of anything.

Sorry.

[-] 0 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Parades aren't silly when you have to pay for them.

There are volumes of work including research done at the University of Chicago that shows spending does not work as the money has to come from some where.

Europe also raised taxes, so what do you think will happen.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you don't think repubs in congress obstructed the Pres economic proposals because he is black?

Repubs don't want to ensure stability of Social programs for the elderly. That want to provatize or voucherize which will destroy these programs.

The spending/deficit/debt are not real problems. Repubs try to scare people with these things so we let them destroy Social Security, & Medicare.

And our conversation was about you resenting (hating) people not paying taxes and buying Ipads?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

No I don't think Obama being black had anything to do with it. The Republicans don't believe that government spending helps the economy. This is basic economics that has been taught for centuries.

I am not sure how you think that spending is not a problem.

I neither hate nor resent people not paying taxes. Those are harsh words which I don't agree with it. It comes down to choices. These people who don't pay taxes have more money to make the choice to buy ipads. I don't because I want to save my money.

I will give you an example on choices. Today, in SF, there is a parade for the Giants. There are a tremendous amount of school age children - grade and high school who are attending. The Democratic city council decides it is more important to celebrate a World Series win that have our kids in school. This, a week before, they want taxes raised because of how important are the schools.

Why can't they have this parade on Saturday.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

MY HHS? Not yours?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

The head of HHS was put there by your man, Obama, so you can't cry that the numbers are incorrect. Since you are sunch a math genius please tell me how if senior ares only 13% of the populations that can be a bih portfion of the 47% of people who don't pay Federal taxes.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

47% don't pay federal taxes. You mean payroll taxes?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

No, they pay payroll tax, but no Federal tax. And they are buying Ipads. If I am going to subsidize people then I want a say in what they buy since I work hard and don't have one.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Demand must be increased. We must cut middle class/small business taxes and working class debt. Then demand will grow and the economy will grow.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Europe cut spending andthat led to further unemployment.

Our current problems are directly related to large unemployment, low consumer spending! The deficit & debt are certainly large but manageable. But not the reason for the repub created great recession.

So spending to kick start employment/consumer spending is obviously the right approach.

[-] -1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

You stimulus was greater than the spending during the great depression so I am not sure how you can say you want more.

Europe also raised taxes while cutting spending. The first has a larger impact than the second.

The Republicans didn't create recessions.

Supply creates spending, not the other way around. Read up on Say's Law.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think you are mistaken. You shouldn't believe those republican talkin points.

A big portion of those 47%'rs are elderly on Social Security. Do we have a problem with them?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

From your own HHS:

"The older population--persons 65 years or older--numbered 39.6 million in 2009 (the latest year for which data is available). They represented 12.9% of the U.S. population."

[-] -1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

I read that 20 something % OF THE 47% are retirees. hardly a 'big portion' You DO realize that many retirees pay income taxes, right?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Who is the 47% buying ipads? And what is wrong with buying ipads?

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

I don't own an Ipad. I have to pay my full share of taxes and 47% of people pay no Federal taxes. Why should I pay for their entertainment.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Seniors do not pay fed income tax. So doesn't that mean your hatred of the 47% is really hatred for the 34%?

Doesn't matter which party appointed OUR HHS Secretary right?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Where did I say I hated anybody? You are the one that is saying that Republicans are racist.

The Republicans are the ones who want to ensure the stability of social programs for the elderly and the needy. If we keep spending the way we are, then these programs are bankrupt.

You are the one who is crying class warfare.

Doesn't matter to me who appointed the HHS as I take them officials at their word. But you Dems accused Bush of lying how many times and now the Texas AG.

Can't have it both ways.

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[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

I am not sure how you think anybody has been redistributing middle class money.

I don't advocate for any one person or group over another. I don't think the middle class should be favored over the lower class or upper class. I want the government out of people's lives and I don't want them taking my money.

Right now I havet to work hard to provide for my family and I get no tax breaks, I am not part of the 47%. I see these people buying ipads and TVs when I don't. And I have to pay for them. Sorry I am putting my foot down.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Check this out , feel free to post it: http://www.99percentfilm.com/

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're numbers on Kennedy are wrong!.

I don't want to pit anyone against anyone. Maybe Freaky.. Above does, I was only responding with my opinion that support for Obama is not about race?

Do you anyone is voting against Pres Obama because that are racists?

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

See, some anti black racist had to downvote your comment even though it is so "duhhhh simple" and obviously correct what you said.

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[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Or a supposed "radical" young white dude who thinks he has things pretty good and doesn't want to know that part of all that is because black people don't have it pretty good.

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[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thanks I'm fine. Here in General Grant Houses we are way above sea level. I did not go to work driving my taxi as scheduled so I am safe and sound. My daughter who lives in the East Village is without electricity or running water right now. Hope you did okay.

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[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Good. Thx

[-] -1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

OK VQ...Both hands....easy. Now, pull your head out of your ass, gently

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

insults, personal attacks. betrays your inability to discuss honestly in a civil way.

Nothing of substance, nothing positive.

Please stop harassing me

[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

What could I have possibly said to your statement about voter breakdowns when both candidates are white? My statement re: blacks voting for Obama simply because he is black stands. Your reply was of no substance. Am really curious if they will do it again this wk considering how utterly he has failed all the poor in this country.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Africam Americans vote overwhelmingly democratics because the know that republican policy would hurt them

And they know that because they know that repub policy is racist which is why repubs are not qualified to serve.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

being racist limits possibilities

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How? Why?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

'cause one can only relate to a restricted set

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why is that?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

A real conservative doesn't like corruption and high overhead or corporate expenses, doesn't like high debt in conjuction with huge dividiends for private investors, leading up to bankruptcy and Taxpayers picking up the pieces for years afterwards for people without jobs. I mean a consrvative would limit admin costs like high priced executives, complicated compensation packages, hidden costs like huge retirement packages (ballons) or huge golden parachutes. Differed Wages are borderline Fraud, Tax Fraud. And they should be prosecuted as Fraud.

A real Conservative makes money from wages, investments, dividends, but not from looting corporations and financial schemes.

And now with Leveraged Buy Outs, huge debts placed on coporations while raping and looting profits.... this country moves backwards... safety rights, worker rights...humanity... Regulations ignored and prosecutions deffered.

We need to rate organzations on the huge administrative costs...just like we did for Public Charities in the 1970s... when we discovered the huge overheads of 30%-90% for charities. Deffered wages for execitives, plus bonuses deffered, options, a house, a limo, a plane,...travel unlimited... it is all part of the looting of corporations, driving up debt, getting your compensation and parachute before the party is over. Meanwhile layed off employees, unemployment compensation, lame text books in schools, brain dead politics, off shoring, Lobbying in Washington, Conflict of interest everywhere....

Conservatives should want GAAP Accounting Rules, Truely Independent Auditing Procedures, Truely active Ratings Agencies that do not make money from Organziations that they are Rating, Conservatives should want Money Out of Politics, COnservatives should want the Federal Reserve, SEC, OCC, FDIC to enforce Bank Examinations and Authority to change the Fraud Commited by Banks.

Conseveratives should want an end to Private unregulated Banking in the US or... at least an END to unregulated Derrivatives.

Credit Default Swaps should have a Cap on them (maximum) since no organization can pay off over 100% defualt.

TBTF Banks should have a cap on them. Break them up, reduce the risk they pose to the system and taxpayers and Insurance Companies. If TBTF Banks are creating more derivatives than they actually make in 3 years, they can never pay it back or fix a Crash. Today there are $600 Trillion in Global Derivatives???

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Roberts another racist republican fuck

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/roberts_court/

Please sign

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

statements of Justice Antonin Scalia HAVE CAST TOTAL DOUBT ON THE US SUPREME COURT. I want to know who buys their cars, boats, apartments, houses, Jewlery, fur coats, suits, shoes, ... where they got the money in their Trust Funds, where they got the money in Retirement & Savings Accounts.

I want a Full Audit of all Pharmacists, Doctors, and Teachers who push drugs for kids, ... and I want a Full Audit of Federal Regulators Personal possessions ... and I want a Full Audit of Supreme Court Members ... to find out how they got their jobs, who gave them their jobs, what kind of possessions they have.

But it will never happen. This is America. And the Chief of the FBI is Mueller .... who will never look into anything regarding the Court, Phamacy Drugs, GMOs, Telecommunications Companies Billing, SEC, FDIC, OCC, Treasury, or the Federal Reserve.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah man. They'll never look into that.

[-] 0 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Sad. I don't want to be around Angry Nazis. The indoctrination and suppression of equality has been fairly successful at least in older generations. They like to join in as a mob, ... to bomb another country, teach the world a lesson, prove how tough the USA is, ... or just spark the economy through a new 'Hot' war.

Angry Nazis.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yes they derive strength from each other. But I am convinced we are at the beginning of an unraveling of their hegemony.

Here is to the 'great unraveling'

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Looks like Venezuela beat the US GOP bid to get their own guy in there. Smart of them to hold such quick elections. Hope the CIA hasn't set up down there again.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Man when Bush/Rice tried to oust Chavez in early 2000's I was amazed that the army rank n file beat back the western oil Oligarchs/neo con cia coup.

I think they continued fuckin with Venezuela and slowed all progress for the people but I haven't seen much effort against Venezuela in the last few years besides oil industry sabotage . But no obvious govt efforts.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, we don't know why he got cancer. Someone said if you got your adenoids removed & tonsils removed you had greater chance of getting cancer.

What do we know of the CIA or Jackal's bag of dirty tricks? It is like James Bond really. But, sounds like you know more about Chavez than I do. I know South America is doing okay with some agreements to support each other, but they do have old suspicions or old rivalry.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I suppose it isn't entirely unbelievable that the CIA targets people with cancer/illness tactics. Arafats remains/death is being investigated for that.

Haven't seen real evidence so I can't get too excited about it.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes,... but we assassinated the leader of Chile' and they say we did the leader of Ecuador I think. Have to check that list of CIA/US Regime Change Actions....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions#Cuba_1959

Assassination attempts against Castro?
Chile' Salvador Allende
The aim was to send Qasim a poisoned handkerchief in Iraq
"faint connection" with assassination in Dominican Republic Trujillo
Ngô Đình Diệm of South Vietnam

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm aware of most of that. We kill at will. Here & abroad, Now & before.

With chem, disease, bullets, bombs, & drones.

Nobody does it better.

USA, USA, USA!!!! (facetious of course)

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, I seem to forget the assassinations since no one talks about them. It helps me to go over them again. I didn't think of Castro when I went looking. I imagine we have assassinated KGB and other Russian Officials... but I wouldn't know about it.

Actually I forgot about Diem and didn't know about Trujillo & Qasim (attempt or plan only, I guess)

Ecuador doesn't seem to be on the list, but I think people feel different in Ecuador. Seems like we were involved in Argentina too... some how.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Goddamn, motherfuckin' drones!

We gotta repeal AUMF, end the phony 'war on terror' and stop droning the planet.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I wouldn't be surprised, we spent decades fuckin with South & central America.

And although clandestine action seems less now, I know we are as active as ever. Now the CIA does it out in the open with remote control, robot drones baby.

USA USA USA!! (again, sarcasm)

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Jesh... drones.

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[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Sadly True. I'm sure you are right. Being a Fiscal Conservative could be a progressive or anyone. But some how Conservatives coopted it and corrupted it. Just like good 'administration' of a school program to keep costs down could be done by a democract or a progressive or a liberal.

In this land our ours...The media make things out to be black and white, right or wrong. This kind of thinking is a corruption.

Most of what is true about Conservatives or Rightwingers seems just 'narrow mindedness'. They don't really have a platform except cut taxes, enable corporations, reduce regulations (only since it aids the profit of corporations), strengthen international defense expansion, and go to war if it profits someone.

There is no sense in conservative postions. You just have to be a believer ...mostly because you want to beat up on someone weaker than you... or else because you want to feel strong about yourself.

On the other side you have people called progressives that actually want to build something or accomplish something to help people.

Progressives know that businesses will continue. There is a human spirit that wants to build businesses and wants to get rich. Progressives don't need to do anything to facilitate this human drive. Progressives know that businesses make the system, the economy and consumerism work. Our country depends on small businesses and our community depends on small businesses.

But somehow MSM and Conservatives have twisted this country. Now many buzzwords involve politics and can't be full spoken or discussed in the USA.

1) Socialism
2) Unions
3) Union Benefits
4) Fiscal Conservative
5) Worker Safety Regulations
6) Banker Fraud
7) Federal Reserve Regulators and Regulations (true)
8) SEC Oversight and Regulations that Structure Banks and Markets
9) Regulations that make markets work
10) Bank Examiners and Bank Oversight
11) Independent Accounting FIrms (what a joke)
12) Independent Ratings Agencies (what a joke)
13) Conflict of Interest (this is the norm not the exception)
14) An Honest Deal (not if it is a US Financial Scheme)
15) AAA Rate US Financial Investment (what?)
16) USA Stands for Freedom and Liberty (not in a deal with bankers)
17) Lawyers and Bankers remove rules that protect us (they fight for unfair advantage not for good or for what is right). William K. Black, Bernie Sanders, are some of the exceptions...

Probably forgot a few....

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[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, very telling. Also I was taught that when you manage something you look it over to see what guarentees you have, how the money will be spent, who will get the money, who should get the money, what will they do with the money, who was hurt in the transaction, what legal recourse those hurt have, what systems and organizations are in place to deal with this kind of situation in the past, how can parties be remedied or made whole.

1) Resultion Trust Corporation was set up to deal with bankrupt banks and dissolve the assets.
2) William K. Black helped to prosecute 3000 cases and put 1000 major players in Jail in the Savings and Loan Scandal (that was conservative - if I have all that worded correctly).
3) The Savings and Loan Scandal Taught Congress not to prosecute Major Financial Contributors to their Campaign.
4) Conservative would want to pursue prosecutions.
5) Conservatives would want to either leave this country or fix the problem of loose regulation, Fraud, Risk to Future generations, Risk of Inflation, Risk of increased taxes, etc.
6) Conservatives can see how money and investment is going toward Risky Investments with High yeilds instead of toward small businesses and benefitial Public Projects.
7) Conservatives can see how Mergers and Leveraged Buy Outs increase Debt and represent an "OVERHANG" on future employment and Government Social Programs (taxpayer money).

What do we do?

1) Demand Independent Audit Agencies rotate personnel monthly to assigned corporations and sign their names on documents so that later they can be called on to explain their certification of the Accounting.
2) Demand ratings Agencies stop taking money from organizations that they rate. A new system must be created where probably smaller profits come from reveue from Investors.

So...
1) Reregulate independent Audit Agencies and bench mark principles around GAAP Accounting Rules, transactions which are off balance sheet will be reported on and published in all financial documents quarterly and annually.
2) Regulate Ratings Agenices, mandate that they can not receive money from organizations which they are Rating.
3) Break Up TBTF Banks either based on Market Share, International Market Share or Total Capitalization. I prefer the later.
4) Break up Commercial/Investment Banks from Savings and Loan/Mortgage Banks.
5) Fire all the Top US Regulators including Bernanke, Schipiro, Geithner, FDIC, OCC, & FSOC Members (Financial Stability Oversight Council)
6) Establish Policy to keep big bankers out of Top Government Jobs.
7) Re-Establish Glass-Steegal.
8) Prosecute taking of Pension funds to pay investors or pay executives.
9) Prevent Pension Funds from Investing in Shadow Banking Areas that are unregulated.
10) Establish National Program to look at all Pension and retirement plans to increase awareness of the problems.
11) Put $1 Trillion in additional Funds into Social Security Trust.
12) Force Wealth to rejoin the nation in paying a minimum alternative tax, and paying fully into Social Security without a cap or loop hole.
13) Stream Line Federal tax System with only 6 deductions and on progressive scale as we have now.

Well ... I have old Idea on previous post.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/economics-stimulus-taxes-jobs-regulations-revolvin/

How about some radical creative new ideas.

1) Outlaw Corporately owned Investment Banks and mandate that all banks be privately owned by people who can held to account.

2) Mandate that Individual Savings accounts pay minimum of 6-7% Interest to pay for inflation and to encourage savings.

3) Break up TBTF Wall Street Banks

4) Put ceilings on Public College and University Tuition and Mandate that all Student Loans be limited to 4% Interest

5) Eliminate/Outlaw all Corporate Shell Companies

6) Mandate that all Pension funds be fully funded or Terminated within one year

7) Prohit bonus' if the business loses money or doesn't make enough profit to pay bonus' since this is illegal as a fleecing of coroporate coffers

8) Prohibit Off balance sheet transactions especially for publically held corporations since this would tend to deceive bond holders, stock holders, and other investors (adher to GAAP rules).

9) Outlaw Private banking

10) Regulate all financial instruments and outlaw black banking such as derivatives.

11) End Revolving Door and Regulatory Capture by prohibiting government employee from working in industry and vice a versa.

Here is my Tax Plan

updating my Income Tax plan, but see I still have more to learn.

12) Scrape the current federal income tax scheme in favor of a progressive tax that only allows 5 deductions, recognizes wages and earnings the same way, investment dividends and short and long term profits and loses are treated with an exclusion for the first $15K earned, then taxed at 24%, interest rates for two mortgages can only be deductible up to $100K per house, there would be no such thing as a lower tax rate for "carrying fees" earned through business. This tax plan will get Lawyers, Tax Lawyers, Accountants, Tax Accountants into other economic activities that could be helpful to the GDP and may have a multiplier effect on the economy (hopefully we can get more financial managers into manufacturing also). This may also reduce the number of IRS employees needed to review tax forms. Outlaw Deferred Wages since they erode tax base and obstruct visibility of Executive Wages Earned (nontransparent).

A) Progressive tax with few deductions from 14% ($1-$22K per year) 16% ($23K-30K per year) 18% ($31K-38K per year) 20% ($39K-$49K per year) 22% ($50K-$60K per year) 24% ($61K-70K per year) 26% ($71K-82K per year) 28% ($83-$95K per year) 30% ($96K-120K per year) 31% ($121K-$1.5M per year) 32% ($1.6M- infinity) B) All wages, tips, carry fees, income treated the same C) Rich people pay full Social Security and Medicare taxes D) Allowed to own two houses and deduct up to $100K per year per house, additional houses are called investments and you can't deduct the interest paid from income taxes E) Head of Household and those with dependents can deduct health insurance premiums (capped at $20K per person), copays, drug costs, and medical bills F) Investments are encouraged, loses and gains are only calculated when actually sold stocks, bonds or other financial instruments. G) Pensions are not taxed by the federal government unless they exceed $100K per year in which case they would be taxed at the lowest rate or 14% H) Personal deduction allowed, plus deduction for dependents and spouse

BUT I'm not really a Tax expert or Even any other kind of expert.

I'm PRETTY SURE we have alot of people doing things in our economy that don't add any value to society.

1) Tax Accountants
2) Tax Lawyers
3) Constitutional Lawyers
4) Lobbyist
5) People that Create Shell Companies
6) People that work for the Federal Government in the Education department
7) SEC
8) Federal Reserve banks and the Board, we can have regional banks to supply money in any bank run and we can have State Banks. The Treasury can print money and buy and sell US Bonds.
9) Financial Schemes do support new projects in the US, but they are not transparent, can not be easily proven to benefit the Public, and do represent a high cost and high risk to the tax payer and local community businesses that exist in the region and compete against Public Private Partnerships - like tax abatements for Walmart or subsidies for Walmart parking lots and warehouses.
10) Financial managers on Wall Street or with Wall Street banks, we never needed as many as we have had, that is why they corrupted the system.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well that is very detailed. I do not have a problem with these suggestions on 1st look.

Good luck.

Peace

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks. Good luck and Peace. I appreciate you reading my work. I don't think there are more than 3-5 people that ever read my stuff. lol

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well thought out. A lot is obviously what OWS supports. More still seems likely to be supported, and the rest probably.

Thanks.

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

In order for a group to be properly defined as 'racist', the vast majority of individuals within the group must be racist. As far as I can tell, Republican voters are far more likely to hate or distrust blacks, hispanics, and people of middle Eastern decent. I've noticed this myself over a period of many years. But I don't believe it's the majority of voters. The vast overwhelming majority of Republican politicians hate liberal ideology. Not skin color.

Republican politicians, pundits, and voters alike tend to hate or distrust Democrats regardless of their skin color.

I am not defending Republicans on any other issue. As far as I can tell, they are whacked in the head on a few. Economics in particular. But I don't think it's fair to call them racist. Not as a group.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Post refers to "Party" not "voters" as you deflected to. Would that be creating a false enemy by misrepresenting the opinion of the post. (who said strawman!!??)

but ok, Let me try to get you to address the actual thread topic question:

What if the vast majority of party members aren't racist but the leaders of said party push racist policies?

Can we say that such a party is racist and therefore not qualified to govern?

Here is nice group of articles on the subject:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-voting-rights-hearing-20140624-story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/republican-racism/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/republican_voter_suppression_rationales_why_voter_integrity_is_nonsense.html

And I can post more if you need. Or just read this excellent thread.

The evidence seems overwhelming. No?

[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (426) 3 months ago

I didn't 'deflect' anything. I expanded the scope of discussion with an opinion that Republican voters are more likely to hate or distrust blacks, Hispanics, and people of middle Eastern decent. I addressed the thread topic specifically with an opinion that Republican politicians hate liberal ideology. Not skin color.

I'm aware of the policies and proposals which lead many to believe that Republican politicians are racist. But those policies and proposals aren't designed to keep minorities down. They are designed to keep Democrats out of office and spending more in line with conservative ideology and personal interests.

I find it virtually impossible to believe that any moderate to high ranking Republican politician would compromise an opportunity to enrich themselves, secure more power, do a political favor, or reward a campaign donor or Republican supporter in order to harm or oppress a minority.

Sorry, I'm not going to agree with the group on this one.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

You don't have to agree, just asking you to address the specific question regarding

'A parties qualification to govern'.

I suppose you are saying 'the party' is not racist because the voters, leaders, are not majority racist?, & the policies identified as racist are really just based on ideology.?

That appears to be the old 'intent' defense.

I've never bought that argument. It's meaningless to the millions of suffering people to hear

'We ain't pushing policies that are oppressing/exploiting/imprisoning/KILLING you because of your race/creed/gender, It's because we don't like you politics'

Really? That doesn't make it better.

Seems to me pushing the policies that perpetrate the "oppressing/exploiting/imprisoning/KILLING" of any group for ideological reasons might disqualify a parties right to govern.

Don't you?

[-] 1 points by Jamblack21 (-5) 1 year ago

So are black republicans racist?

[-] 0 points by Jamblack21 (-5) 1 year ago

Can democrats not be racist?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I answered your question.

Please comment on that before you ask another.

[-] -2 points by Jamblack21 (-5) 1 year ago

So because some republicans from 2 states are seemingly racist that means that all republicans are racist? Can democrats be racist to?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Repub racism explained

http://www.nationofchange.org/angry-white-guys-roots-reactionary-america-1365861843

Yes dems can be racists. please add the link showing that. We should denounce all racist people.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I answered your question.

You did not comment on the information in the links.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yes. Please post the incidents you find here. Or start a new post.

All efforts to end racism should be pursued.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla3 (-75) 1 year ago

Oh boy. Get ready to enter the vortex.

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[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

White people party?

New republic knows the truth about republican problem

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112365/why-republicans-are-party-white-people#

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[-] 1 points by bringourjobsback (64) 1 year ago

What a bunch of f Ing idiots. We have an unemployment situation coupled with a recession bad enough to put us into a depression and you people are turning this into this racial sht ?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The "turning into racial sht" has been done by the racists.

Not the people who call it out.

Do you understand that basic fact.?

I think you childish name calling ("fcking idios"?) reflects the impotence of your argument! Why are we "fcking idiots"? to call out racists.

Are you trying to protect the racists by attacking people who call them out?

Are YOU a racist? Or just their protector?

[-] 2 points by bringourjobsback (64) 1 year ago

yes, i'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message...

No, I am not Republican and don't support them OR the CURRENT democratic party.

My last words to you - wimp - Racism is one of the least of our problems in this nation right now.

you'll always draw a lot of people when you talk about race because it's a hot issue.

Only when people can't pay their bills, can't buy the things they want, don't have enough money, etc --- only then will you get the masses of people to start talking about economics and the true reasons our's is so messed up right now.

Remember outsourcing? That's why so many people don't have jobs.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sure I'm against outsourcing. That ain't a good enough reason to let racists go undenounced.

We gotta be able to do more than 1 thing at a time.

Sorry. Racists MUST be called out! No excuses, No distractions, You offer a weak reason to be silent about the racism in our country.

Y'know some workers are discriminated against be racists.

So you said you ARE a racist?. Unusual. they don't usually admit it.

Embrace love, and tolerance. It is it's own reward. No one is free until we are all free!

Peace

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yes we can, because they are going to get us all killed: http://occupywallst.org/forum/sandy-and-government-thumps-republicon-doctrine-de/

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Unless the repubs get defeated and maybe split, but certainly fade away.

The legal challenges are already starting, this election could go on for weeks. The tea party "true the vote" group is said to be gearing up for thousands of trivial challenges to bog things down.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

And we are also back to electronic voting machine tampering: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9698

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah this is the biggest threat. In Ohio, and Florida especially. I know there are hundreds of lawyers watching I hope it is enough.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah they did try, but repubs could not overcome the overwhelming movement of the people who want to move the country forward to benefit the 99%.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

The people have slapped RepubliCons across the face on the world stage, just like Sandy did.

Now let's Petition them while they're down:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/now-that-we-got-our-guy-reelected-why-dont-we-do-s/

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yes. every remaining RW wacko should be targeted for large scale protests against their anti 99% votes.

Bachman, Cruz, McConnell, Whoever is left!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

FK them!

Congress in general!

We have a 60+ Million Voter Turnout mandate!!

Let's extort them for a change!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We gotta have large scale protests against all pols for change that benefits the 99%.

What is first.?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. What issue are You most concerned with?

[-] -3 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

As you remember the dems suffered a severe ass whipping in 2010 and now they are on the verge of the major ass whippin. Stay tuned it is only a day away now

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That would be the countries loss, and the 1% plutocrats benefit.

[-] -1 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Actually it would be for the betterment of the Country since we have been going in "reverse" for the last four years. I see that someone has finally made Obama a sign that says "forward" but it is a shame he does not comprehend what that means

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

When Pres Obama took office the Bush recession was losing 800k jobs per month! The Obama recovery has been creating job every month for 3 years!

The recovery would have been stronger if traitorous congressional repubs had not obstructed every economy strengthening dem effort, & every jobs bill. The treasonous repubs filibustered a vets jobs bill that would have helped a million vets.

State repubs fired almost a million public workers in the middle of an unemployment crises.

That iswhy the Obama recovery has not been stronger.

Repubs created the crash, and weakened the recovery. They always spend too much and blow up the debt. Dems always cut spending & the deficit.

[-] -1 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

maybe that is why their is why 21 million without jobs right now and or dropped off the rolls. The unemployment numbers are fixed and really dropped right before the election, along with gasoline. Obama's "hope & change" slogan quickly turned to "poverty & despair" shortly after he was re-elected. Tues will bring the end to the obama regime

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

unemployment has been dropping from almost 11% percent (created by Bush great recession) since 2009!

Recovery has taken longer than usual because the Bush great recession was the deepest crash since the great depression and because traitorous republicans in congress (& state level) have slowed the recovery.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

now it is time to put the vitriol behind us. The election is over and we must find common ground in our activism and protest efforts to force change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Some of our views are not the same but we need to meet in the middle somewhere

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Maybe. I can't say I knowyour views.

Do you support a

  • public health care option?

  • tax increase on wealthy?

  • cut defense budget?

  • invest in green tech/infrastructure jobs?

  • End war on terror, eliminate nuclear weapons?

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

The only one on the list I do not agree on is investing in green jobs. So far, it has turned out to be a no win situation for the taxpayers money. Besides, if some brilliant idea does come along then China is going to copy it and sell it at half price. As far as the war on terror goes, each Country should butt out each others business and mind their own

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We MUST dominate the future green tech industries. We CAN keep China from dumping their cheap products here.

So far the investments have been VERY successful! Of approx 65 investments only 3 or so have failed. We currently employ almost 3 million in greentech and thatwill grow.

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

The Gov will not restrict China and their junk. Immelt the job czar and CEO of GE is sending almost all of their jobs to China. Over twenty greentech jobs (taxpayer funded) have went bankrupt already

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I believe you are mistaken about whether we can stop China dumping, and the number of failed green tech corps.

In any event although your statements sound like good reasons not to pursue these important efforts, we must yet still.

Don't give up! You have identified real concerns whether I agree or not. We must consider those concerns as we ramp up our efforts, but we MUST ramp up.

Kick it up a notch!

BAM!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

That was millions of misinformed and petulant Dems not voting.

[-] 1 points by wango (-6) 1 year ago

Shrieking little liberal bitches..continue to use the JOKE of racism. Sorry.... Nobody paying attention anymore..because it's not true. Try another fucking LAME liberal excuse asshole

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Tell us how you REALLY feel!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

DannyB. Are Repubs too racist to govern?

[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

They are not racist. They didn't vote for a President because of his skin color.

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[-] 1 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

No President Obama doesn't know how to strengthen the economy. Government spending won't do it and he just want to redistribute income.

Thank goodness we have somebody in DC who is saying no to his attempts to spend our money.

By the way, I don't hate Obama. I know he is in over his head. And we need to get people to work.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

He ain't in over his head. He isn't proposing very much spending. He knows exactly what to do Many jobs proposals are about tax breaks that repubs would normally support but refuse to because they refuse to help strengthen the economy while a black dem is in the oval office.

Hey, if the hood fits! Ya' gotta wear it.!

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

"President Obama has shelled out more in federal spending than the five presidents that came before him.Federal spending was close to 20 percent under the Carter administration, dropped to 18 percent under Clinton, and is currently at an incredible 24 percent of GDP. According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal spending may hover around 22 percent for the next decade.Federal spending is also higher this year than any year since 1949. The last time spending was higher—in 1946, it was 24.8—the country was just coming down from the exorbitant rates of spending during World War II".

And his spending is higher as a percentage than those enacted by FDR during the New Deal.

Maybe you ought to take the hood off and read some.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Please, Once repubs get out of the way we will get the economy growing and people back to work, the obscure numbers you site will be just fine.

Read dat!

[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

Yeah, just trust you.We did that once and your stimulus didn't work. By the way, my obscure numbers are from the CBO.

The problem is you are spending my money and I worked hard for it.

Maybe you can start working and helping out and paying more in taxes.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The stimulus (cut by Repubs) halted the repub 850k monthly loss of jobs, and has created jobs growth every month for more than 3 years! It also reversed the -9% GDP to positive GDP growth for 3 years.

So it would have been a stronger recovery if repubs would stop the traitorous obstruction of every effort to employ people & strengthen the recovery.

It's your repubs who are to blame.

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[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

The recovery is one of the worst in history. There never has been a country that has spent its way to prosperity, so it doesn't work.

A positive GDP of less than 2% is anemic. We have solidified the new normal and everybody knows it. Pimco nailed it many years ago since they knew you can't increase government spending and grow your way out of recession.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The recovery is the worst because :

The republican created "great recession" is the worst in history, and,

The republicans have obstructed and watered down every Dem effort to improve employment, & strengthen the recovery.

State Repubs fired almost a million hard working public sector workers during this unemployment crises, and filibusted every jobs bill (incl the vets jobs bill that would have helped a million vets)

And stimulus (spending) is the ONLY way to improve the economy! Europe tried cutting (austerity) and have failed miserably, They are looking at another recession.

Europes failure to stimulate their economy and resulting economic weakness has also weakened our recovery because we sell to Europe more than we do anyone else.

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[-] 2 points by Dmooradian (-74) 1 year ago

You want more government employees. The numbers are higher than they have ever been.

Stimulus spending doesn't work because it has to come from somewhere, the private sector. To say, that hard government workers are the way to get us out of a recession is laughable.

There have been many recessions in our history and the recovery is stronger the deeper the recession, so facts don't bear you out.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Govt employment is lower than recent history!

And of course the recovery will be stronger when more people are working.

Do you think firing people is good for the economy? THAT is laughable!

This recovery WILL be stronger as soon as your traitorous repubs get out oftheway and allow it to occur

[-] 0 points by JackHall (412) 1 year ago

It's not quite the same thing. Being really dumb carries a lot more weight as far Republicans party being unqualified. Racism and stupidity are both undesirable to the egalitarian minded. It's harder to say McCain and Palin are racists. It's slightly easier to say that Sarah Palin would have been extremely pressured with difficulty to assume the powers of US President if McCain became unable to fulfill his duties. Why did McCain choose Palin as his running ate? That's a Game Changer.

Were Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama qualified to be President? Maybe not.

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[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

The post refers to the "party" not any of the many candidates/leaders/elected officials you deflected to. Would that be creating a false enemy by misrepresenting the opinion of the post. (who said strawman!!??)

but ok, Let me try to get you to address the actual thread topic question:

What if the vast majority of party members aren't racist but the leaders of said party push racist policies?

Can we say that such a party is racist and therefore not qualified to govern?

Here is nice group of articles on the subject:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-voting-rights-hearing-20140624-story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/republican-racism/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/republican_voter_suppression_rationales_why_voter_integrity_is_nonsense.html

And I can post more if you need. Or just read this excellent thread.

The evidence seems overwhelming. No?

[-] 1 points by JackHall (412) 3 months ago

What is race?

Societies, like the USA, construct racial classifications, not as units of biology, but as ways to lump together groups of people with varying historical, linguistic, ethnic, religious, or other backgrounds. These categories are not static, they change over time as societies grow and diversify and alter their social, political and historical make-ups. For example, in the USA the Irish were not always “white,” and despite our government’s legal definition, most Hispanics/Latinos are not seen as white today (by themselves or by others).

There is currently one biological race in our species: Homo sapiens sapiens. In and of itself, the biological race concept does not necessarily lead to claims of racial superiority or inferiority.

There is no genetic sequence unique to blacks or whites or Asians. In fact, these categories don’t reflect biological groupings at all. There is more genetic variation in the diverse populations from the continent of Africa (who some would lump into a “black” category) than exists in ALL populations from outside of Africa (the rest of the world) combined!

Race is not biology

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/race-is-not-biology/276174/

Racism exists, but it doesn’t mean it is smart. How smart is burning down your house to get rid of unwanted guests?

Republican Shutdown

Here's how the shutdown looks in the context of the Congressional Republican record: 1.41 repeal attempts of Obama's signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. 2.Delaying confirmation hearings of Obama's judicial appointments 3.Calling Obama a "reckless spender" and slowing the recovery, as economists have said, by attempting to force austerity measures (much like this shutdown). 4.Attacking food stamps (harkening back to Reagan's "Young Buck" tales). 5.Weaponizing the debt ceiling to the point S&P downgraded the U.S. credit rating. 6.Investigating phony scandal after phony scandal with taxpayer money (from Benghazi to the IRS). 7.Putting forward no bills to actually create jobs. 8.Shutting down the government in an effort to defund/delay Obamacare

According to a new poll from Quinnipiac University, more Americans identify President Barack Obama as the worst occupant of the Oval Office since World War II than any other postwar President, including President Richard Nixon.

The poll, released Thursday, found 33 percent of U.S. voters identifying Obama as the worst President, followed by President George W. Bush (28 percent) and Nixon (13 percent). Every other President garnered “worst” votes in the single-digit percentages, led by President Jimmy Carter at 8 percent.

A nationally respected poll said Obama was the worst President since WWII.

Who did they poll? The Quinnipiac University Polling Institute is a public opinion polling center based at Quinnipiac University in Connecticut. It surveys public opinion in Connecticut, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and nationally.

It is considerably larger than other academic polling centers, including the Franklin & Marshall College Poll, which only surveys Pennsylvania. The organization employs about 160 work-study students as interviewers, generally drawing from political science, communications, psychology, and sociology majors, as well as some interviewers that are not affiliated with the university.

Obama Worst President in 70 years

http://personalliberty.com/americans-finger-obama-worst-president-70-years/

What this also says is how dumb many Americans are. The pollsters were asking the wrong people the wrong questions. Pollsters can be stupid. If they were asking the general public passing by on a street corner that’s different than asking academics and historians who have studied Presidents in depth and researched the historical record.

G W Bush Worst President Rated by Academics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsziT-oDgqE

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Your spinnin as fast as you can. I won't bite.

But....

What if the vast majority of party members aren't racist but the elected leaders of said party push policies hurtful to specify race/creed/gender?

Can we say that such a party is racist and therefore not qualified to govern?

[-] 1 points by JackHall (412) 3 months ago

Why aren't those "Leaders" sent a message or voted out of office? If these politicians are reelected time after time there is a reason. Mike Bloomberg was elected Mayor of New York City 3 times over more qualified Democrats. Ask New Yorkers what they think of Mike Bloomberg.

Bob Grant blasts Mike Bloomberg over Hurricane Sandy 11.4.2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8OZe9rkfj0

Comments on Bloomberg Harvard Commencement Address

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7j3jF85LA

Mayor Bloomberg Endorses Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyomvw3r4is

Michael Bloomberg: Mayor in Thief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijg-ekd_EY0

Mayor Bloomberg Supports Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FtkFqFV3o

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

I suppose there are many elements responsible for the re electon of bad (racist) leaders. (Not sure if Bloomy is racist, but)...

Most prevalent reason is money in politics, then low info voters, Apathy/low voter turnout, finally,some voters ARE racist, etc etc.

Perhaps if we had a rule that says if you are found to be pushing racist laws you should be disqualified, recalled, impeached, arrested, IDK.

Just Aksin I guess.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5853) 1 year ago

After the Election, the "R" Word: Reparations

Tuesday, 20 November 2012 10:21 By Salvatore Babones, Truthout | Op-Ed

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12737-after-the-election-the-r-word-reparations

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Why Anonymous’ Claims about Election-Rigging Can’t Be Ignored

Tuesday, 20 November 2012 15:18 By Thom Hartmann and Sam Sacks, The Daily Take | News Analysis

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12871-why-anonymous-claims-about-election-rigging-cant-be-ignored

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok There should be some effort to prevent the next effort at vote rigging. Right.

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[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

The Republican Party should just rename itself the Inquisition Party and everyone would notice that the platform (already written and adopted) is the Dark Ages platform. The parallels are obvious and need no further analysis. The mystery is how they are able to offer, with some success, the opposite of their flowery rhetoric to people who still have books to read about Dark Ages, and other similar, examples of the rise of despotic ideologies.

They are classic counter revolutionaries.

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Not so laughable. When it will be crimes for doctors their patients, and perhaps their families, pharmacists, drug manufacturers to do what they have every right to do it isn't funny. This will no doubt be followed by teachers, scientists and how many other "others"? The Inquisition was not narrowly focused either. The target was the "other" and the definition of "other" was very loose. What they don't want to talk about is enforcement of these policies.

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

When I was young, just after WW-II there was a book published full of pictures taken as we "liberated" the camps in Poland etc.I can't get them out of my mind. It seems like very few people were really aware at the time. Years later all of that documentation came to light again when the Israelis started hunting the Nazis around the world. That is when most of the world learned how terrible it really was. I'm not Jewish but those pictures should have shocked every human on earth. They weren't Photoshopped. I did have family members who did the liberating. They couldn't talk about it for decades.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well said. We must stay aware. And stay active.

[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Hey, now you can get (the promise of ) all of Obama's policies in a white wrapper. What could possibly be better than that?

What? You ladies object to the Taliban inside the wrapper? Don't worry, that is probably just more lies to suck somebody else in.

Remember, the Klansmen were just a bunch of socialist do gooder's, behind those funny costumes, weren't they?

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[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Tongue in cheek, I think.

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

And I changed. And together we make.......;)

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[-] -1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yes, we can and should.

Nearly every problem posters on this board complain about is caused or obstructed by RepubliCons.

Yet a large number of posters omit any blame on the Cons, and exclusively blame the Dems.

You'd think these "DemoCrap" and "Obummer" BASHERS were working for the GOP!!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I frequently do think that!.

But the election is over. And I can move on to the important work of protesting for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

WooHoo!

Move on and over Conservative anti 99% pols!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Drink coffee

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. had mine today. Enjoyed it more than usual.

[-] -1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Sadly on this forum white racism isn't much understood and it isn't unanimously nor uncompromisingly opposed. Thus so many are soft on the GOP, soft on the angry white guy strategy, soft on Mormon racism...

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That is unfortunate. Not a new phenomenon.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Is This Billionaire poisoning the waters ( air waves ) in your neighborhood?

Rich, worried and buying ad time – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com ... politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/.../rich-worried-and-buying-ad-ti... Oct 10, 2012 – But billionaire Thomas Peterffy is spending millions on television ads this election season with one cautionary message: Avoid socialism.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If anyone is curious about intent - they should pay attention that he is airing the adds in support of the RINO campaign.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

People - support and push Move to Amend. It needs to go viral. It needs to get done!!!

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - Tweeted the Link. http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I have also seen and forwarded calls for the end of the electoral college - One person One vote - largest total yes votes wins.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The way it should be - the way everything should be. Simple and obvious.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Worse if he loses while having the popular vote.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thing is - they have a better chance of manipulating things through the college system.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Might as well add this commentary too.

With the rest of the evidence already posted here, it becomes pretty damn obvious that it is so.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/lawrence-wilkerson-colin-powell-sununu_n_2027721.html

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[-] 2 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Shooz hates racism so much he gets rabid even when it's just a hoax story. Of course, he's cool with Mia Love and Stacey Dash getting attacked by racists, but nobody's perfect.

And I'll one up you. Not only do i condemn racism in the Republican party, i also condemn it in the Democratic party and all other parties and independents. Why would you limit your criticism to SOME racists, but not all? That's crazy talk.

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[-] 1 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Well, i think we both can agree that this was a fairly offensive statement talking about Obama.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy."

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[-] 1 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Unless he's making fun of Indians working at 7/11

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Still hacking away, eh VQkag? I'm gonna to nominate you for The Revolutionary of The Year award!! lol

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Are you on OT yet?

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Yeah I got more than insults, but not now, no time

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm not insulting you. I have no desire to insult you. There is no value in insulting you. I know I can't change minds with insults. I don't come here to lift myself up by putting others down. I down come here to insult people for kicks.

Why do you insult me? Does it give you pleasure?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You failed to address the subject of this thread, the racist republicans party!

Even after I asked specifically! So I assumed you were covering for them, giving them a pass, As such I felt that was enough evidence to state that you were one of them. No insult!

You still haven't said you ain't a republican and you still haven't denounced their racism.

In fact you have simply attempted to distract to the Dems with some unfounded accusation. Also sounds kinda republican since this thread is about republican racism and how that should disqualify them from governing.

I've always thought you were a republican, why would that be insulting.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Can't we just agree on, the dems should not govern because they have consistently lied to the American people??

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Nope. I disagree.

Peace! How did you manage with the storm? NJ got hit bad. Brooklyn pretty bad but I did ok.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Why would you respond here when there was a place to reply to under my comment? What exactly do you disagree with? Your answer is purposely vague.

The barrier isalnd which is a couple miles east of me was hit very hard as you probably know. I still don't know for sure if my home was flooded, as I left the Jersey shore a couple days before the hurricane hit. I do know from phone calls to the OEM and PD that the waters of the bay had flooded a lower area close to me by one foot at the highest, so if accurate, i think I'm OK.. Tomorrow i will know for sure when a friend checks for me.

I know the Gowanus Canal, and you should count yourself really lucky that it did not flood into your adobe.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'd rather not tell people who to vote for. I avoid that because it is a lot like campaigning.

Every one must choose for themselves. be informed, and decide which candidate (who is able to be elected) is most likely to support the progressive change that benefits the 99%.

Good luck in all your good efforts.

How are you managing in the storm? Stay safe!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

(who is able to be elected) ... code for only vote for the establishment right?

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"I'd rather not tell people who to vote for," so you tell people to vote for progressives, but the truth is there are very few progessives, or any politicians in the two parties who are worth their salt. So why bother to tell them to vote for something that barely exists., or in no way is part of this revolution. At least admit that these altruistic politicians will be found in third parties, not in the dem or repub parties.

What you are really asking people to do is to continue doing the same thing that they have been doing, and that is to vote for the lesser of the two evils. So you view a revolution as doing more of the same with the hope that it will turn out different this time.

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

You're welcome, I aim to please. lol I'm still waiting for that list of progressives we should all be voting for. NOW can we agree that very few of yout suggestions will be incumbents......or found in either the dem or repub party...., and that Obama and Romney definitely aren't on that list?? Well.....can we?

~Odin~

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[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

On any of the threads that i or others have put up, you have often not followed the theme of the thread while spewing your partisan bullshit, so why should I feel constrained in not folowing the subject of your thread?? I as well as many others here understand how your little mind works by now. Anyone who does not agree with you, or believes that this movement should not devolve into a partisan campaign gets labeled a a republicon or something simular. This is done to discredit that person and put him on the defensive.

I have always thought that you were an 'ass', so why should you find that to be insulting?

~Odin~

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[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

You have insulted people on here since you have arrived. You have also used this forum to spread your partisan bullshit around. Now as the election draws near, you are intensifying your efforts. You could give a shit about this rev. Your only concern is getting dems elected.

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Neither of these parties deserve to govern us, albeit for perhaps not all the same reasons. By calling it "your racist republican party," meaning 'mine," you have just once again taken part in one of your, 'oh so common' insults. That is what I needed to prove how disingenuous your calls for a halt to these insults are. Thanks. lol. You VQkag are the ultimate in hypocrisy. Your picture should be a/s the definition in the dictionary! You are an embarrassment to even those who agree with you out of conscience, and of course to all the altruistic members of OWS.

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[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Yes I had a good teacher, you. Do you have a relative named 99?

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[-] -2 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Margaret Sanger. Denounce away.

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[-] -1 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

Al sharpton and jesse jackson? Or do you know them personally as well?

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[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your pulling out decades old attacks.

I guess if that's the best you can do They must be doing ok. LOL.

[-] 1 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

You sound like your ok with it, so i guess we are are.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Apparently the racist slur you used was unappreciated by the powers that be.

Why can't you behave?

Bad Hank! Bad! LoL

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Hard to believe how many here defend and minimize it.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Actually, I'm plugging Julianna, while bumping this thread.

She was kind enough to appear on OWS radio and she is pretty funny.......:)

Here's an older one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cg5shKpNi4&list=UUAixFpuuX9ta0-afwAwR5cA&index=5&feature=plcp

Global warming?

Subprime loans on beachfront property!!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LoL

Well done. & very funny.

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[-] -2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

YES!

And because of many, many, many other reasons, none of them American!

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[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. There it is. Even art they gotta control.

Laramie was infamous for another much more horrible event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Sick.

These blind Unicorn Chasers will pull all this over us in their feeble quest for perfection. Like Germans did with Nazis!!

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[-] -3 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

There are political newbies, with narrower, softer, and shallower comprehensions of our political system. They can pout or follow 3rd party campaign promises that they never have or will keep.

AND

There are RepubliCon campaign tactics to paint both parties the same, tout 3rd party "promisors," and discourage and suppress the Vote.

Either one helps put Cons in our government to work against the 99% in service of their 1% masters!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

There is much against the effort to move the country towards progressive solutions.

I hope enough people are smart enough to realize we MUST keep the conservative plutocrat puppets out of power.

Even if they want 3rd party, or a new system they should recognize short term goals should be stop the bleeding (no more cons), then work on their long term goals.!

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

A reply to a 3rd banger: "Which one of the 3rds has achieved the promises they advocate? Here's the problem, not only is it impossible for any of them to win until we adapt and reform our political system to accommodate 3rds, they can promise or advocate anything ANYTHING because they will never have an elected office in which they can achieve anything. Until we make the needed reforms, we have to keep RepubliCons out or we will go straight to hell in a hand basket. A vote for 3rds is a vote for Cons!" And there are no bigger fans and advocates of voting for 3rds than the RepubliCon Party and bitter Anarchics.

We win if we Vote. 2010 and WI-'12 are not good omens. People are easily fooled. Sandy is awful, but another storm would be far worse and would hit 99%ers all over the country and the world: RepubliCons!

And then there is CU: http://occupywallst.org/forum/frontline-big-sky-big-more-differences-between-con/

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your assessment is spot on. I challenge the non voting, 3rd party, fallacy as often as possible.

6 days to go!

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

There is no bigger fan base and advocacy group for Third Party Candidates than the RepubliCon Cult. Whatever works!!!

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

I bet Jill Stein supporters would disagree with you.

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

Not really. We need a viable set of other parties, imho. I do not see 3rd p as a conservative conspiracy.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

In current circumstances (reality) 3rds aren't viable.

We have to make them viable, but Cons will never let that happen as long as they are in office, because they can't lie-cheat-or steal elections with 3 or more parties and IRV!

Vote the Cons OUT!

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[-] -2 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Every vote for a 3rd, is a vote for a Con.

The T-potty was never any threat to Cons, it was just [their own] radical manufactured "movement" in response to Obama. Like the paid Brooks Bros "Rioters" during the 2000 Florida recount: fake, Fake, FAKE!!!!

[-] -1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

There are at least four candidates for president right now who are on enough state ballots or write-in qualified, to get enough electoral votes to win.

The duopoly made it hard for them to get on those ballots, and tried to silence their voices, but at this point, the only thing stopping them from winning is the lie of "they can't win".

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1956) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Does Carl Rove write that shit for you zombies, it's all exactly the same.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-3rds-accomplished-bush-what-gop-accomplished-/

[-] -2 points by DavidMD (-7) 1 year ago

Obama's socialism

Obama invested TAXPAYER money in!!

Solyndra---- Bankrupt

Ener 1 ----- Bankrupt

Beacon power----Bankrupt

Abound solar----Bankrupt

Spectra watt----Bankrupt

Eastern energy---Bankrupt

ALL of the companies were obama campaign contributors

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Here is a repub admitting the racism that disqualifies the party from governing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/lawrence-wilkerson-colin-powell-sununu_n_2027721.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Some alternative news sources identifying the republican racism as well.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/09/20129214930757922.html

How does this make you FEEL?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Some previous repub racism posts for your perusal.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-little-republican-racism-and-voter-suppression-i/

Are you also a repub racist?

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

DOE programs 1705

headings:
company…builds…loan-guarantee…permanent jobs/constrution jobs…date…..location
1366 Technologies, Inc. Solar Manufacturing $150 million 70/50 Sept 2011 Lexington, MA

Abengoa Bioenergy Biomass of Kansas LLC Biofuel $132.4 million 65/300 Aug 2011 Hugoton, KS

Abengoa Solar, Inc. (Mojave Solar) Solar Generation $1.2 billion 70/830 Sept 2011 San Bernardino County, CA

Abengoa Solar, Inc. (Solana) Solar Generation $1.446 billion 60/1,700 Dec 2010 Gila Bend, AZ

Abound Solar Solar Manufacturing $400 million N/A/400 Dec 2010 Longmont, CO and Tipton, IN

Beacon Power Corporation Energy Storage $43 million 14/20 Aug 2010 Stephentown, NY

Caithness Shepherds Flat Wind Generation partial guarantee of $1.3 billion 35/400 Oct 2010 Gilliam and Morrow Counties, OR

Cogentrix of Alamosa, LLC. Solar Generation $90.6 million 10/75 Sept 2011 Alamosa, CO

Exelon (Antelope Valley Solar Ranch) Solar Generation $646 million 20/350 Sept 2011 Lancanster, CA

Granite Reliable Wind Generation partial guarantee of $168.9 million 6/198 Sept 2011 Coos, NH

Kahuku Wind Power, LLC. Wind Generation $117 million 10/200 July 2010 Kahuku Oahu, HI

LS Power Associates (ON Line – formerly known as SWIP-S) Transmission $343 million 15/400 Feb 2011 Ely to Las Vegas, NV

Mesquite Solar 1, LLC (Sempra Mesquite) Solar Generation $337 million 7/300 Sept 2011 Maricopa County, AZ

Nevada Geothermal Power Company, Inc. (Blue Mountain) Geothermal partial guarantee of $98.5 million 14/200 Sept 2010 Humbolt County, NV

NextEra Energy Resources, LLC (Desert Sunlight) Solar Generation partial guarantee of $1.46 billion 15/550 Sept 2011 Riverside County, CA

NextEra Energy Resources, LLC (Genesis Solar) Solar Generation partial guarantee of $852 million 47/800 Aug 2011 Riverside County, CA

NRG Energy, Inc. (BrightSource) Solar Generation $1.6 billion 86/1,000 Apr 2011 Baker, CA

NRG Solar (California Valley Solar Ranch) Solar Generation $1.237 billion 15/350 Sept 2011 San Luis Obispo, CA

NRG Solar, LLC (Agua Caliente) Solar Generation $967 million 10/400 Aug 2011 Yuma County, AZ

Ormat Nevada, Inc. Geothermal partial guarantee of $350 million 64/332 Sept 2011 Jersey Valley, McGinness Hills, and Tuscarora, NV

Prologis (Project Amp) Solar Generation partial guarantee of $1.4 billion 42/Over 1,000 Sept 2011 28 States

Record Hill Wind Wind Generation $102 million 8/200 Aug 2011 Roxbury, ME

SolarReserve, LLC (Crescent Dunes) Solar Generation $737 million 45/600 Sept 2011 Nye County, NV

SoloPower Solar Manufacturing $197 million 450/270 Aug 2011 Portland, OR

Solyndra Inc. Solar Manufacturing $535 million N/A/3,000 Sep 2009 Fremont, CA

US Geothermal, Inc. Geothermal $97 million 10/150 Feb 2011 Malheur County, OR

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Interesting the Loan Guarentte Dollars to Permanent Jobs is very Low... Solar doesn't seem to privide permanent jobs. So we build for sustainability mostly.

I guess Abound Solar & Solyndra are out of business or bankrupt.

And 7-8 of them are valued over a Billion Dollars, so I guess they are pretty big projects historically. But we probably need $200 Billion invested this year to sustain the infrastructure.

Good List. Cheap Projects compared to War & DOD Budget. US Energy Department Programs Total $40 Billion Dollars in 2012 which is really small compared to many other Major Departments and their Budget Lines. Looks like the money for those Alternative Energy Loans went through the DOE Budget as Energy Programs. I remember Solyndra was a DOE Program.

Dept of energy Total Budget is comparable to the Federal Highway Admin Programs ... or is like the Total Dollars for Veteran Affairs ... or is like the Brand new DHS Budget which I think is like $47 Billion for 2012 eventhough it is the youngest Agency in the Government. HUD gets $49 Billion in 2012.

Okay I'm looking at the Treasury Daily Withdrawls for DOE Programs ... and when I go to the Monthly Data for end of year 2010 it shows DOE Programs for Energy total $15 Billion, and for 2012 Energy Programs Total $18 Billion. This makes sense based on the List you posted above.

It is easier to just look at the Detailed Monthly Treasury Statement Entries for DOE. Or for DOE just look at the Monthly Data here:

https://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0912.pdf (Monthly Treasury Statement end of Year, see page 9)

https://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/backissues.html (Monthly, see 4th QTR 2012)

I suspect that DHS is incapable of sending data to be entered in the Daily Tresury Statement for Instance. In the Case of Department of Education they are rolling up a lot of programs and data for the Daily entry for Education Department Programs.

https://fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=a&fname=12092800.pdf (Daily Treasury Statement End of year)

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks... I like that home page. Seems pretty good.

Making Poverty a Crime

Jim Hightower

" Ebenezer Scrooge, the Dickens character, perfectly personified the nasty rich. For example, when asked to make a charitable donation for people trapped in poverty, Scrooge curled his lip in contempt and snarled: “Are there no prisons?”
"

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

What a funny, & illustrative line.

Our new gilded age.

Oppressive, and stifling.

[-] -3 points by DavidMD (-7) 1 year ago

THE 0BAMA REGIME.

  1. You MUST buy health insurance.

  2. You may not create a new location for your business w/o govt approval (Boeing).

  3. You must eat only food authorized.

  4. You may not use the name Barack Obama in vain (ie AttackWatch).

  5. The name God shall not be uttered in public events, unless CLEARLY referring to Barack Obama.

  6. You must support the homosexual agenda.

  7. You may not speak/write anything against the gov't.

  8. You may not possess or distribute the American flag unless it has a photo of Obama on it

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Glad to see you think you are moral authority on who people care about.

Go fuck yourself.

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[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Obamacare establishes for the1st time a national "RIGHT" to healthcare.

A century old struggle has been won!

Now we must establish a single payer public option & put the criminal private healthcare insurance OUT OF BUSINESS!

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[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5853) 1 year ago

And while waiting for a single payer public option, is anyone going to advocate for an inclusive, nationwide, mutual health insurance company as an alternative to the private, discriminatory, 1% owned companies?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am agitating for a single payer option. Medicare for all, maybe your mutual hlth ins, whatever but definitely to replace the discriminatory 1% owned corps.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

A lot of people are predicting that this is the model the Europeans are going to go to, as forced austerity continues the next 5 years.

Dont provide it to them, force them all to buy it, like homeowners insurance and vehicle insurance.

And make sure there are no cost controls on it either. The CEO of united was on CNBC a couple days ago and said consumers should be expecting rate hikes to continue.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We must come together in our outrage & protest for a national single payer public option like medicare for all.

It is the missing piece that republicans killed.

We can do it! Are you with us?

OWS supports a public option. Will you protest for that with us?

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[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Republicans didnt kill it. Dems did. And you can protest all you want. All the hard work was the campaigning and hard work that led to a total sweep of everything. 8 months of ball busting bullshit to get sold down the river. No thanks. Im not wasting my time with them anymore. If after 08, after 8 years of the fuckin moron Bush, and all the numbers in Congress, and they refused to do it?!!!???.....

Its because they are fuckin bought out. The entire system is. It doesnt represent anyone besides the money.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still avoiding reality? Yes.

Still padding the same old libe(R)tarian lies? Yes.

http://wendellpotter.com/

Read that and know at least some truth.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Was he one of the industry people that wrote the law? All 1400 pages of it? Keep bowing down to your politicians, Im sure it will save you eventually haha.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still won't read it, eh?

I've only offered it to you dozens times.

Still playing with assumption, bordering on conspiracy theory? Yes!

That's you.

Still attacking all things liberal and giving a pass to all things conse(R)vative? Yes. Yes you are and that's the lions share of every comment you've ever offered.

Next up from you?

Hey!!......Look! Over there! Obama!

Don't worry about the Kochs behind the curtain. They're just innocent business men. What they do is just gossip.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Theres big money behind every single one of em you dumb fuck.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

There's the insult.

The insult that's supposed to mean you are correct.

You are not correct.

Of course you didn't read a thing. You just jerked your knee like you always do.

You want to add something about how the 99% is made up of asses now?

You insulting useless prick.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ya, you are right. Big money isnt financing both parties and people in it.

You should make that your rallying point. And if you want to stop being called dumb....well if quacks and walks......

I just went on amazon and ordered it. Would you like me to give you a detailed breakdown of it in a couple weeks? Would that make you happy in your little obsession with me?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Read this and note that finance, energy, agri are all giving heavily to repubs.

Not dems.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/sectorall.php?cycle=2012

Stop pushing the fallacy that the dems are bought off the same as repubs They ain't!. Dems will take that smaller of money and still be made to serve the 99% (if we protest!)

Join us in countering these corps. We can do it if we work together and protest!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Go watch your football game.

Quacks and walks?

Bircher boy..............................:)

Be sure and avoid posting on what the (R)epelican'ts are doing in Florida.

Hey....Look....................Over there!.. Obama!

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[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And lobbyists and healthcare (shocking) are going to Dems.

What kind of self respecting human being accepts ANY of it?

Would you? Ofcourse you would, you have "get in the club" written all over you.

Listen, I understand you have spent your whole life sucking up the propaganda. Did you protest Vietnam? It must be terrifying to realize it was all a lie. I get it. But get the hell out of the way.

Im out. Peace.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I support "movetoamend.org" to repeal the repub/conservative court ruling that created our current obscenity of corp money in politics.

I protest against all this. Too young for Vietnam but my mom had MIA bracelet and I started protesting many things (certainly war/nukes) in the mid '70's.

But my personal actions are not relevant. You're just fishing to deflect from the issue and find something to personally attack me.

You are so predictable.

And transparently anti dem partisan.

Let's come together to protest money in politics, racist vote suppression, and for a public option.

Sounds like we agree, So why do you treat me as if we don't.?

Maybe you don't support these things. Is that it?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Don't give up! We must fight for the public option. Progressives did not protest for the healthcare bill. Repub tea party conservatives did and they got what they want. Progressives have been awoken by OWS and CAN force a public option!

You are confused. Only Dems proposed and fought for the public option. Only repubs fought against it. Only Dems continue to support public option. The repubs are against it.

We can get what you pretend you want. We CAN get a public option.

We must replace anti public option conservatives w/ pro public option progressives, & protest all pols for the change that benefits the 99%.

"It's the only way to be sure"

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[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So you are saying that after relentless campaigning, and getting the results we wanted, that since the liberals who want universal (like I do) didnt then get in the street and start demanding it, the Dems just decided to say "Fuck em, lets go with the Republican plan" ?

Is that what you are saying? That even when we had the numbers, we still need to keep working because they simply cannot be trusted if we are not on their asses 24/7?

Sounds like a broken system to me.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The system is broken! the way to fix it is to protest. OWS has shown us the way. Progressives were asleep when the health care bill was being debated. You dishonestly blame dems when they were the ones who proposed it & were fighting for it.

That blame placing betrays your partisanship because it leaves out the republicans who fought public option, used tea party protests against it, and defeated it.

Once again your silence on the repubs who are the real problem shows you for who you are.

A partisan republican plant.

But you should join a protest against pols who do not support public option.

We can do it together if we join together and protest.

Peace

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[-] 3 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

as usual v you are off base - the progressives were not asleep - your boy shut out any real chance for the national health care that would make sense for our country. and don't start your shit with me - just say ok, i was wrong and we will be friends again - March 3, 2009

OBAMA TO SINGLE PAYER ADVOCATES: DROP DEAD

President Obama’s White House made crystal clear this week: a Canadian-style, Medicare-for-all, single payer health insurance system is off the table.

Obama doesn’t even want to discuss it.

Take the case of Congressman John Conyers (D-Michigan).

Conyers is the leading advocate for single payer health insurance in Congress.

Last week, Conyers attended a Congressional Black Caucus meeting with President Obama at the White House.

During the meeting, Congressman Conyers, sponsor of the single payer bill in the House (HR 676), asked President Obama for an invite to the President’s March 5 health care summit at the White House.

Conyers said he would bring along with him two doctors – Dr. Marcia Angell and Dr. Quentin Young – to represent the majority of physicians in the United States who favor single payer.

Obama would have none of it.

This week, by e-mail, Conyers heard back from the White House – no invite.

Why not?

Well, believe it or not, the Obama White House is under the thumb of the health insurance industry.

Obama has become the industry’s chief enforcer of its key demand: single payer health insurance is off the table.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So then we agree dems proposed and fought for it. You must know that your repubs have always been against it (and remain the only obstacle).

I know Obama said he would accept a public option if congress passed it.

Congress couldn't. And you do know that progressive people were asleep. right? OWS woke us up 13 mnths ago. Well after the healthcare debate.

It was the repub/conserv who created the astro turf tea party movement and successfully shaped the bill. It is OUR fault for not protesting.

So now we are awake. We got 80% of what is necessary in health care. We must fight for the last element! A national single payer public option.

It 100 years, many movements, many failures to get here. We can't give up now. We can get what we want. We must come together, and protest against the pols who are against public option.

OWS supports a public option.! Are you with us?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Heres evidence disputing yourright wing talking point that Pres Obama killed the public option.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama-never-secretly-killed-the-public-option-its-a-myth/2011/11/17/gIQAZQt0UN_blog.html

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Racism is real! Won't you join us in protesting against it?

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-majority-harbor-prejudice-against-blacks-073551680--election.html

Open your heart. We are all in this together! OWS is against racism!

Are you?

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[-] 2 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

you did read this part right? President Obama’s White House made crystal clear this week: a Canadian-style, Medicare-for-all, single payer health insurance system is off the table.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is exactly why the public needs to stand-up and speak-out. Insure everyone with complete coverage - end for profit waste greed neglect misuse denial - Universal Health Care - NOW.

[-] 2 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

right on bro

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[-] 1 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

Labor Leaders Demand That 'Single Payer' Be Part of Obama Healthcare Reform Discussions

WASHINGTON - March 4 - The Obama administration's plans to hold a "Health Care Summit" that excludes advocates of single-payer healthcare reform has drawn a sharp response from labor leaders around the country.

"President Obama has indicated that his administration is committed to the passage of a new 'universal' national health care program for all Americans, and he wants it done this year. For working people, and particularly the 48 million Americans currently without health insurance, this is welcome news. We also applaud the President's efforts to provide immediate relief to the growing number of unemployed workers faced with the loss of their health insurance," said Mark Dudzic, National Coordinator of the Labor Campaign for Single Payer Healthcare.

"At the same time," he continued, "we are deeply concerned by the apparent failure of the administration to include a single supporter of HR 676 among the 120 invited participants to Thursday's Health Care Reform Summit. We are calling on our supporters to call and write the White House and demand that our voice be heard."

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/03/04-2AMY GOODMAN: Baucus’s raucous caucus. Five people were arrested yesterday at a Senate Finance Committee hearing on healthcare reform and charged with “disruption of Congress.” They were protesting Committee chair Senator Max Baucus’s refusal to include any advocates of a single-payer healthcare system in a series of hearings on healthcare. Last week, eight doctors, lawyers and activists were arrested as they sought to put a single-payer advocate at a table of fifteen witnesses. At yesterday’s hearing, none of the thirteen witnesses testifying was an advocate of single payer.

Senator Baucus, a Montana Democrat, opened the hearing on a cautionary note, warning against any disruptions.

SEN. MAX BAUCUS: I respect the views of everyone here, including everyone in the audience. And that respect, in turn, means listening and not interrupting when others are speaking. I sincerely hope that everyone here today, including our guests, especially guests in the audience, will afford these proceedings with that level of respect.

AMY GOODMAN: As Senator Baucus spoke, a group of about thirty nurses stood up and turned their backs on him. They wore red scrubs with signs on their backs that said, “Nurses Say: Stop AHIP, Pass Single Payer.” AHIP stands for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby group for the health insurance industry. After standing for a few minutes in silent protest, the nurses walked out of the hearing to applause. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/baucus_raucus_caucus_doctors_nurses_and

[-] 2 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

Five people were arrested yesterday at a Senate Finance Committee hearing on healthcare reform and charged with “disruption of Congress.” They were protesting Committee chair Senator Max Baucus’s refusal to include any advocates of a single-payer healthcare system in a series of hearings on healthcare. Last week, eight doctors, lawyers and activists were arrested as they sought to put a single-payer advocate at a table of fifteen witnesses. At yesterday’s hearing, none of the thirteen witnesses testifying was an advocate of single payer.

the system is rigged against us.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-party-is-over-how-republicans-went-crazy-democ/

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What should be ashamed of?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We need everyone to join in if we are going to win a public option.

OWS supports public option.

Are you with us?

[-] -1 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

you have no shame - but yes i am for single payer not really a public option

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Not enough protesters. 30 nurses does not a revolution make.

We need growing protests that amount to thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds ofthousands, a million!!!!

This is what is needed. It's the only way we can defeat the conservative, greedy, selfish, racist tea party dregs who defeated the public option.

We need everyone to join in.

OWS supports public option.

Are you with us?

[-] 0 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

ok now say you were wrong - say obama is not the man

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[-] 3 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

you are going to piss me of soon - i do not want to spend time proving you wrong again so back off! obama shut down any real chance for a rational health ins program - say it or........

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Here is evidence Pres Obama supported public option in Sep '09. You're claim is from March '09.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5292059-503544/obama-supports-public-option-in-speech/

Why don't you give me a link if your claim is real or just more anti Obama partisan campaign lies.

LMFAO. Amateur!

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[-] 2 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

listen you little elitist shit - you have already exposed yourself by putting down working people and telling all you are smarter than the lower classes. keep your head down and be nice

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So next time you will keep your snide remark to yourself, right? Did you think I would just roll over and say nothing.? Moron!

You live and learn. huh?

Anyway.

Can't we just say the republican party is not qualified to govern because they are racist?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I done no such thing. I HAVE put YOU down (when did you become the "working people"? Think very highly of yourself. LOL)

And I only put YOU down after YOU put ME down, with your derisive comment "you know what work is don't you?"

So grow up! put your big boy pants on! Grow a bigger pair! Whatever you gotta do. But if you can't take it then maybe you shouldn't dish it little boy.

Besides this is all just a distraction from the argument you lost regarding your LIES about Pres Obama killing the public option.

It was your republicans. (As always) They were against it and remain so. Dems proposed, fought and remain committed to it.

Replace anti public option conservatives w/ pro public option progressives & protest all pols for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 1 points by flip (7028) 1 year ago

not as good idea to lie in print - here is the conversation - should i post it again?? [-]2 points by flip (3650) 9 hours ago - going to work now- do you know what that is? [-]1 points by VQkag2 (10667) 9 hours ago Work?. Did it for 25 years. Smart enough to retire @42 years old. Sucka!!! [-]2 points by flip (3650) 1 hour ago oh, and by the way i love what i do - i will retire for good when i die - you might be the sucka [-]1 points by VQkag2 (10667) 5 minutes ago I know it's 'cause I was smart, 'cause it took 10 years of planning, sacrifice, savings, investment & work. Sucka!. Enjoy work.! HA!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

All they needed to do was put it on the floor and vote. All the numbers were there.

Roll it out, vote on it. All Dems vote yay. Done deal. Finally universal care in teh richest country on the planet.

They didnt do it.

Once again your inability to hold ANYONE accountable is very telling that you dont have a fuckin clue what is going on.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

They didn't have all dems. There were some conservative dems. Once again conservatives stand in the way. Why aren't you mentioning the lack of one repub vote.

Shouldn't we attack them for that.? Why do you alwats giverepubs a pass? BTW I rightly hold conservatives accountable for the defeat of public option. Why don't you EVER hold repubs accountable?

Are you a repub plant?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Public support is at around 60%. It could be at 70%-80% and Obama wouldn't care.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Sounds like a good reason to just give up.! But NO!

You don't speak for Pres Obama. You don't know what we can accomplish/. There is nothing the people united can't do.

We must recognize that the repubs are the obstacle. Protest all pols against the public option.

We can do it. Together. We must grow the movement. hold massive protests. Disregard the weaklings who claim it can't be done. They are probably closet republicans.

If you want public option, then join the fight for it. Pick yourself up out of the corner and you are whining in and do something positive.

What about the subject of this thread?. Got any defeatist whining in this regard.?

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[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Did you bother to read the rules before posting?

"•We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic."

[-] 0 points by Planetoid (-32) from Sacramento, CA 1 year ago

Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you support republican racist vote suppression.?

Are you a racist?

[-] 0 points by Planetoid (-32) from Sacramento, CA 1 year ago

No, but I'm quite sure you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VManxPOaKrw

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You support Pres Obama?

[-] 0 points by Planetoid (-32) from Sacramento, CA 1 year ago

No. His policies have been a disaster.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

Amen

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Saved us from the economic cliff repubs put us on. We were losing 850K jobs per mth, gdp was -9%.

His policies have created jobs for 40 months! and created positive gdp for years!

Would have been better if your repubs didn't obstruct every proposal he's made. When repubs get out of the way the Obama recovery will strengthen.

[-] 0 points by Planetoid (-32) from Sacramento, CA 1 year ago

He had a democrat congress for two years. No obstructions. He's been a disaster. His stimulus was bigger than any in history and NOTHING.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/01/romerbernstein1.jpg

"Saving us from the economic cliff" is about all a democrat can say given that it was unsuccessful, because one can't measure how things would have been without Obama, so keep up that tired and tortured (but unprovable) argument.

With population growth, we have less people working today than when Obama entered office. He's a net negative on jobs overall. PERIOD.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Here are some of your assumptions:

1) You assume you are smart about Economics.
2) You assume you know a lot about government and government investment, stimulus programs, and they GDP growth that has occurred since the 2008 Financial Crisis.
3) You assume you know how much money has been invested by the federal government in the past (say the last 13 years since there is plenty of data available).
4) You assume you know how to put together the GDP for the US based on the different parts of the economy or different industries.
5) You assume you can listen to the radio, tv or people in your life and understand what is happening in the US economy, government, and the many US Industries.

Did you know:
1) that US Investment in Small Businesses is down since 2007.
2) that the federal government has been increasing all major budget lines (spending) since at least 1998... and not just by some small amount... it looks like enough to be considered a stimulus.
3) You probably know the government has been trying to stimulate the economy with lower interest rates in 2000, again after 9-11, and again in 2007-2012.
4) Have you considered that the government included in the GDP financial transactions made by a few people that put money in few pockets. This measure doesn't do anything to show the true picture of the US Economy (in my opinion)/
5) Do you know George W. Bush increased the total federal deficit by over $4.1 Trillion dollars.
6) Do you know that if the US Government stopped borrowing money through debt creation and credit the country would go into a depression.
7) Do you know some Economists believe we can continue to create money through federal spending without inflation as long as the creation is matched to population growth in the US.
8) If we are paying a minimum of $300-400 Billion dollars a year on Interest on the total debt, we could save this amount and all increases in the future if we created money through the treasury and a national bank.
9) The $300-400 Billion in interest payed to banks on the total federal debt is a net number not a total number. There are a bunch of tricks going on to keep the financing looking low like this. Why should the US spend so much on Defense spending to police the world if we run the debt up to $16 Trillion and risk huge financial interest payments in the future as the interest rate is forced up ....and place all this on our kids?
10) Why do our Congressmen kowtow to bankers when we are asking them about Fraud and banking operations? Isn't it obvious that we all owe so much to banking and getting financial assistance whether we are congressmen or government. Don't you rather like getting lobbyist out of congress and getting congress out of the back pocket of bankers.
11) Money makes the world go around, so why can't we admit the problem this posses for honest representation in congress.
12) Isn't one of the big problems that we have bankers working within our government and the Federal Reserve and we have failed regulators working in the SEC, OCC, FDIC, FSOC, Treasury Department etc. The whole idea that liberalizing regulation helps is bizzare in that financial markets need structure and can't operate without regulations.
12) Think of Conservative banking and you get Switzerland. They didn't have a problem in the financial crisis of 2008 because they never invested in unregulated crap. They have strong regulations and strong conservative values.
13) Would you buy unregulated crap? Would congress? No. The result is Pension Funds and Retirement funds are $3-4 Trillion in the hole while baby boomers are looking to reitre. So why doesn't congress or Obama Prosecute Fraud, start a task force of 5000 FBI agents, Request referals from State Attorny Generals, why doesn't Eric Holder go after the banks? They are all in bed together. And congress is in bed with them, because Congress has great power in this. But congress doesn't want to rock the boat that fincances their re-election campaigns.

Well maybe you knew all that. But I have no way to know.

I just wondered what assumptions you might have made. We are all making assumptions because govenrment data is misleading. The GDP data, the Unemployment data, the CPI index on Inflation... it is all misleading.

But mostly the Media is misleading. And this is the final piece of US Corruption.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

people should work together

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well looks like we have to work with out Congress and Bankers and Lawyers. Remember activisim is the only thing that made many of the big changes in the 20th Century:

1) Ended the Vietnam War
2) Create OSHA in 1970
3) Got Civil RIghts passed
4) Got the Vote for Black People
5) Got Womens RIghts and Vote
6) Got Workers RIghts and the Right to Strike

Congress was sitting on it's Ass for all of that stuff.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The great recession was created by the republicans, The stimulus was cut by republicans, All jobs bills obstructed by republicans.

During Pres Obamas 1st 2 years Repubs filibustered at historic records to prevent the recovery from strengthening.

Repubs even filibustered the jobs bill for vets.

And repub state politicians fired almost a million public workers during this unemployment crises.

If Repubs would stop the traitorous obstruction we would have 4 million more people working and the recovery would be 2x as strong.

That is the truth.

Deal with it!

[-] -1 points by Planetoid (-32) from Sacramento, CA 1 year ago

Lie after lie. The stimulus was not cut by republicans. They didn't have the numbers in the house or senate. Same with the NON-jobs bills.

Democrats took control of both the house and senate in the 2006 elections.

He got everything he wanted with NO republican votes.

Public workers should be fired. Government should not be a jobs program and we had more gubment workers than at anytime in history. We borrow 40 cents out of every dollar we spend from China and that's weakening our economy. Because of that weakness perpetuated by democrat policies, unemployment is high as well as housing foreclosures and lower demand.

These are the facts. Deal.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Can't we say that republicans are not qualified to govern because they are racist?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Repubs obstructed every effort to help jobs creation, even jobs for vets, and fired workers during an unemployment crises.

Repubs should be prosecuted for treason.

[-] -1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

There was no Great Recession. There was bank failure and a dip in the market and a Dem election which brought the disadvantaged to the forefront to say: you idiots in Congress are destroying the American economy through the devalue of the dollar, outsourcing, and higher tax and utility rates.

And your measly little handouts in the form of miniscule tax cuts, rebate checks, and the promise of Green jobs ain't cutting it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This threads has many links to examples of republican racism.You got any examples of dem racism?

Be glad to look at it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No smokin for me man. is that why you are so confused? You smoke crack?

Crack is whack man.

Listen we disagree. I recognize the world wide economic crash repubs created, as well as historic misuse/overuse of the filibuster by repubs to obstruct & weaken the recovery.

These are facts that are a matter of record.

You think there was no great recession, and we haven't improved the economy. LMFAO.

We just gotta agree to disagree.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This threads has many links to examples of republican racism.You got any examples of dem racism?

Be glad to look at it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree. The great recession Bush created was the worst financial downturn since the great depression.

Pres Obama got us out of it. Repubs in congress has slowed therecovery.

If you can't admit that then you are either delusional or just a right wing partisan.

[-] 0 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

Dude, you should really give up the pipe.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Can't we say that republicans are not qualified to govern because they are racist?

[-] -1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

We can't say that, no. Everyone including Obama, quite obviously, is racist. In fact, racism is at an all time high. And personally I think difference is something that should be celebrated rather than sharpened as a tool of war.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This is the problem with racists. We must agree to fight it everywhere we see it in our daily lives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/poll-shows-widening-racial-gap-in-presidential-contest/2012/10/25/9d5be0d4-1ed1-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html

Let's show racists that the country can evolve beyond these 19th century prejudices.

Are you with us?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

ARe you fuckin insane? A national right?! Forcing those who couldnt afford it before to now purchase it?!!

The healthcare companies are the ones that wrote this shit. They fuckin love it. It only empoweres them, as the rise in their stocks since it passed shows.

How can you post these blatant lies day after day all over the internet and intentionally mislead people.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No lie.

Several states are already investigating a public option to bypass the republican created mandate to buy private health insurance.

We must protest for that change at a national level. We can do it together. If we stop attacking each other with obscenity laced childish insults and join together to pressure all pols for a national single payer public option.

Medicare for all.!

Otherwise it will happen from the states on up. but slowly.

Join us! Are you with us.? Medicare for all! national public option!

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

We already did that dumb ass. What do you think 2008 got us, a total control of all government. And then they sold us down the river. If it didnt happen then, its not ever going to happen.

The numbers were there. We won. And thats what we got. Wake the fuck up.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

80% there? It was a total fuckin reversal of things!! Pull your head out of your fuckiin ass. We went from having shitty expensive care to being forced to buy shitty expensive care. Its a total fuckin sell out.

Dems defeated it. The numbers were there.

Remove money from politics. Until you do that, like 08 proves, they dont work for you. And these pigs arent going to give up their money. So where does that leave us?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Support "moveto Amned" if you want money out of politics It's the only way to reverse the repub/conservative SCOTUS ruling that created this current obscenity of corp money in politics.

In regards to public option: It is the only element left to achieve we can do it but only together. If we are fighting each other we will fail. We must pressure all pols to create the national single payer public option.

Medicare for all. Come together! Grow the movement! March for public option. Protest against pols who are fighting against single payer.

Stop whining! And do something positive.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You got anything to say about the pervasive racism in the repub party and the fact that it should disqualify them from governing.?

Is that ok with you?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I cant stop people from voting for people like that. What would you like me to do about it? I certainly would never campaign for someone like that.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Denounce the repub racism! Speak out. Stop covering for your republicans by remaining silent.

Stop spreading the fallacy that the racist repub voter suppression "doesn't matter", That "it isn't really happening" (that was a funny one!) "that both parties do it" (what a joke.)

"what would I like you to do?" BE HONEST!! Recognize the racism and denounce it.

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Dont act like you know me. I guarantee Ive slapped more people around for discrimination than you ever thought about. Keep ranting online about it. Just make sure when you see it in real life, you stand up and prove it.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree. I think your silence regarding republican racism, and your excuses regarding republican racist voter suppression schemes, is the most damning evidence against you.

So those facts would counter your unprovable claims that you've "slapped more people around for discrimination". I don't believe you.

Are you a racist? Why don't you speak out against it on these threads. Why did you tell me not to worry about repub voter suppression cause it ain't really happening?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If you think that the voter ID is more racist than what this entire system does to minorities, then you are fuckin nuts.

You can get caught up in showing an ID for voting in a busted system if you want. Because thats exactly what they want. Focus on that while the entire fuckin nation goes down the toilet, and much larger racial issues are not talked aobut, like the prison complex, which incredibly more racist and affects a tremendously higher amount of minorities than this would. Or not allow felons to vote whatsoever, which will affect TONS more minorities due to the racism built into the judicial system.

You keep focusing on IDs at the voting booth. We'll keep focusing on the bigger issues. The voter ID thing is NOTHING compared to the racism that is going on in this system. But you let the media suck you right in, and distract you, and TELLL YOU what the conversation is going to be.

This thing is falling apart right now, and theres a shit ton of bullshit coming down the pipes soon. If you keep letting the media run this conversation on minoro issues, and ignore the huge ones, you are only helping them get what they want.

All this talk about voter acces, and NO talk on why the fuck everyone isnt auto registered. NO talk on 5millino felons not being able to vote. NO talk on how poor communites poverty levels are at all time highs. NOTHING.

But focus on ID's.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I recall in fact it was people who forced the media to cover this issue.

So you are misleading people again.

I didn't say it was MORE important that the prison population. That's you dishonestly trying to distract and mis characterize my opinion. That's you trying to justify your silence. That's you trying to deflect attention from the excuses. Again you stated "the voter ID thing is NOTHING".

Maybe you ain't a target so it don't matter to you. Some of us care. We won't be distracted by closet racists into disregarding this crime against out rights because their are more racist attacks on us.

We can fight all racist efforts against us. Including the prison population/war on drugs new form of oppression issue.

And just for your info the anti voting felon issue has been discussed and the war on drugs racist efforts have also been discussed. Your pretense that it ain't is just more lies.

We can change all of this if we can come together and protest against all republican racist efforts.

Peace, & Solidarity!