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Forum Post: Bradley Manning Pleads Guilty to Spilling Government Secrets; Will Serve 20 Years in Prison

Posted 4 years ago on Feb. 28, 2013, 5:14 p.m. EST by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA
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[-] 7 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

What a backwards world we live in. Greedy obscene criminals get rewarded, and honest goodhearted people get punished. Sad.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

Uploaded on Apr 7, 2011

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Free Bradley Manning


FYI (& a deserved bump for mannings post)

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Beautiful, bittersweet, tragic. Thank you Matt...I needed that.

"Love is our Resistance"

[-] 0 points by shadows (-39) 4 years ago

Greedy obscene criminals,......like Corzine, Geithner, Rangle, Reid, Dodd?

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

"Bradley Manning : 1,000 Days in Detention and Secrecy Still Reigns" :

"The WikiLeaks suspect's prosecution has been conducted with a complete absence of transparency – with worrying implications".

"Bradley Manning: the face of heroism", by Glenn Greenwald :

"The 25-year-old Army Private, this generation's Daniel Ellsberg, pleads guilty today to some charges and explains his actions"

"Bradley Manning pleads guilty to 10 charges but denies 'aiding the enemy'", by Ed Pilkington :

"Soldier admits guilt in lesser crimes that carry up to 20 years in prison while denying most serious charges against him"

"Bradley Manning pleads guilty to some Wikileaks charges" :

Please finally consider :

vincit qui se vincit ...

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

"Bradley Manning In His Own Words ;

In Leaked Court Recording, Army Whistleblower Tells His Story for First Time" :

"While unofficial transcripts of this statement are available, this marks the first time the American public has heard the actual voice of Manning."

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Wonder what Pope Francis The First will make of such a true peace worker as Bradley Manning ?!

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 3 years ago

This is going to be rather interesting.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

I agree that Pope Francis the 1st is a very interesting choice. He's the son of an immigrant Italian train driver from Argentina. The new Pope is a Jesuit, the first in Papal history I believe ! He's also famed for living poorly, cooking his own food and for bicycling and catching the bus to work !! This man may have promise after the conservative reactionary & "God's Rotweiler", Joseph Ratzinger !!!

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 3 years ago

And from a place where the Church may be losing it's grasp.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

& from where 'Liberation Theology' originates : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology .

habemus papam ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 3 years ago

This most definitely will be interesting.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Habemus Papam et ...

spero meliora !

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Pope Frank I, From Argentina. (70% catholic country)

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Yep & did you catch https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/03/fpf-publishes-leaked-audio-of-bradley-mannings-statement ?

fiat lux, fiat pax et fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Wow. This will be good to hear. I Read reports of the statement. but it will be good to hear him speaking.


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Bradley Manning is a warrior for peace ~*~ & https://www.bradleymanning.org/ .

pax vobis. ...

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

And a hero for freedom and government transparency/accountability.

He has risked everything for the simple concept of informing people of the war crimes our military/govt was perpetrating in our name.

He deserves our thanks and every effort we can muster to force his release/pardon , whatever we could get.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Bradley Manning's true patriotism and heroism will be legendary in times to come. He deeply threatened - if only momentarily, The U$A-MIC as even they can not control and predict everything, as evidenced for example by : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/mar/06/food-riots-new-normal .

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

"WikiLeaks has released a new trove of documents, more than 1.7 million U.S. State Department cables dating from 1973-1976, which they have dubbed “The Kissinger Cables,” after Henry Kissinger, who in those years served as secretary of state and assistant to the president for national security affairs. One cable includes a transcribed conversation where Kissinger displays remarkable candor: “Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at meetings, ‘The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.’ [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act, I’m afraid to say things like that.”

I excerpt the above from your excellent link and further append :

May all the Powers of The Universe watch over Bradley Manning, keep him well and give him strength.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Kissinger never disappoints does he?

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

In a manner of speaking, no and he should frighten us too & also fyi :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Cool. That Pinoche coup was on 9/11.


[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

Yes, The Pinochet Coup was on 9/11 too & "hmmmmm" indeed !!

Also : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34573.htm !

sub rosa ...

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Great documentary on Kissinger, his crimes, & govt overreach in general.


You probably know it already.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

I know of it but never got round to watching it before so will do later. Thanx and btw - you do get that you have more in common with that irascible Aussie and old round bonzer bloke, than you really have actual differences, right ?! LOL !! See my link above also !

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Well I do not have the propensity to waste time with off topic harassing personal attacks in common.

I got that goin for me.

Perhaps you mean positions on issues and not style. But I know nothing of his positions other than his anti gay, anti immigrant comments.

So if you think we have something in common I will love to hear it.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

LOL !!! You're incorrigible !! Here try this and compare notes with him as I just copied it to him too !

pax, lol ...

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

I have seen it. An excellent, powerful illustration of what we have suspected.

It is evidence that the working class 99% must come together (in occupy, & other like minded groups), rise up, and correct this inequity.

This great movement exists BECAUSE of this previously un seen problem.

It should be at the mast head of the site! Should be part of our logo.

WE are the 99%. And this should be our flag.


[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

I agree. Keep adding the link when and where you comment. I gorra go now. Be good :-)

& G_d Bless Bradley Manning ~*~

pax ...

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Manning link didn't work.

I repost it


[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Good luck. Thx for the effort. For my part I will continue working to calm him down and continue to refrain from personal attacks on him.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 3 years ago

You can hear him speak in court for the first time.

They're still trying to get him for aiding the enemy and life in prison.

"This charge could have huge effects on the free speech of anyone in the military and journalists across the country. Any op-ed that is critical of military tactics or any news story that exposes misdeeds of the government can potentially lead to a capital offense.

Worse, the charge purports to apply to anyone, not just the military. It's blatantly unconstitutional."


[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 3 years ago

Yep, really distorted. It's pretty clear there are 2 ways to view his case.

1) He's defending the ideals of the constitution and the conditions that prompted his leaking of info should not have existed in the first place.

2) He violated an security directive.

I believe 1) should rule his case and when courts only see 2), they are violating the constitution, their oath and law. LTC Terence Lakin was court martialed for refusing to obey an order (deploy under obama) and deprived of his right under the UCMJ and the constitution by the same judge.

My question is when are people going to realize there is a legal method to defend the constitution from a domestic method. It's even required of a soldier if you think about it. As soon as the soldier considers there is treasonous usurpation of the constitution in command over them or in the civil government, they have to take legal action.

In a proper military, as part of a proper citizenry, the principles of the constitution are well known and there is nothing outrageous about considering there is an enemy of the constitution in civil government and using military law to enter into civil criminal law to end treason in civil society.

Because neither soldiers or citizens know constitutional intent, they cannot cite the exact constitutional reason they have for what they need to do, so they don't do it. There was a poster here named Christopher Brown and he made a thread about this here last year. It had this link which I bookmarked.


[-] 2 points by WSmith (2696) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

Back in the day, when many newbies denigrate our massive achievements, John Erlichman exposed the Pentagon, with stolen documents, and we (an engaged unity of the people, protestors, politicians and the press) protected him from the criminal treatment Bradley Manning is suffering with impunity. Unite and Win, or disengage, disunite and lose. This is Class War, know your real enemy, or continue losing.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Prosecution and Suppression proves the US Congress is Fascist and will neve oppose the Big Business Interests. The excuse of Strategic Positioning of Troops, Proving the Willingness and Ability of US Force, and the need to Bribe world leaders for strategic advantate totally fails in light of higher principals to protect Domocracy and Soverignty of Nations.

Now we should end the wars, force our soldiers and airmen to station in the USA, close down bases in South Korea, Japan, Spain, Italy, Germany, Etc. What we are in 170 countries or something. And we spend more on weapons ... it is all just a scheme, a financial scheme that MIC Lobby sets up wars and contracts with DOD & Congress. But look we have great funding for our people, so take a look at the numbers.

Defense Vendor Payments 1998 = $95.6 Billion
Defense Vendor Payments 2011 = $394 Billion

DOD Federal Outlays 1998 = $256 Billion
DOD Federal Outlays 2011 = $680 Billion

Department of Education outlays 1998 = $43.7 Billion
Department of Education outlays 2011 = $245.6 Billion (500% increase)

Federal Highway Administration 1998 = $19 Billion
Federal Highway Administration 2011 = $44.8 Billion

Health and Human Services Grants (misc) 1998 = $37.7 Billion
Health and Human Services Grants (misc) 2011 = $101.9 Billion
Food and Nutrition Service (misc) 1998 = $ 13.7 Billion
Food and Nutrition Service (misc) 2011 = $ 95.7 Billion
Supple. Nutrition Assist. Program (SNAP) 1998 = $20 Billion
Supple. Nutrition Assist. Program (SNAP) 2011 = $77.6 Billion
Total Food and Nutrician Services 1998 = $33 Billion
Total Food and Nutrician Services 2011 = $102 Billion

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 1998 = $13 Billion
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 2011 = $18.9 Billion
Total Administration for Children and Families (HHS) 1998 = $32.5 Billion
Total Administration for Children and Families (HHS) 2011 = $54 Billion

Unemployment Insurance Benefits 1998 = $23.4 Billion
Unemployment Insurance Benefits 2011 = $117 Billion

Medicare 1998 = $210 Billion
Medicare 2011 = $552 Billion (no price controls)
Medicaid 1998 = $ 100 Billion
Medicaid 2011 = $ 269 Billion
Total Centers Medicare & Medicaid Services 1998 = $380 Billion
Total Centers Medicare & Medicaid Services 2011 = $1.095 Trillion

Federal Salaries (EFT) 1998 = $87.5 Billion
Federal Salaries (EFT) 2011 = $178.4 Billion

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

no wonder we can't control the deficit

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Yep, they were increasing like 20% a year for certain budget lines. I think I figured it out at 3% a year for 10 years ... it would be like a 30% increase total for 10 years... or anyway nothing like 100%.

You can get this info yourself if interested. Treasury Daily reports are easy to read just pick the last day of the month like 31 january 2013 or else look at monthly reports. http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/index.html

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

Thems that say inflation's stopped don't shop for groceries

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 3 years ago

Thanks. BTW it is all game under control as you know. And these finance guys are so greedy, like so many that want to keep their jobs, they don't see a problem with inflation at all. I guess they think you should get a promotion or salary increase every year to stay with the capitalist, stock market, derivitaive, private banking, oligopoly system. But you know all that. I just hear a new guy that is saying the stock market or DOW Index is going to 1900 and that all indication to him are the market is going up and the economy is on a 13 year Bull market from the Dot.com crash. Actually he went back to 1982 and said that was part of a 19 year Bear Market. This stock market guys don't care who gets hurt. I wonder if he feels for mom & pop or the old farmers who are gone. His name is Damon Vickers. http://damonvickers.com/content/our-team

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

government actions should not be classified by definition

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 4 years ago

all it takes is a pardon

[-] 2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 4 years ago

just gotta elect the right person

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 4 years ago

"Bradley Manning Takes ‘Full Responsibility’ for Giving WikiLeaks Huge Government Data Trove"


[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 4 years ago

meanwhile Bush faces no time for torture and illegal war and Obama faces no time for illegal war and destroys due process.

"the world is a battlefield" - lindsey graham

our justice system is all sorts of fucked up. They're putting Mannings in prisons and making Grahams Congressmen.

[-] 2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 4 years ago

Yeah it's disgusting.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 3 years ago

"We Are Bradley Manning", by Chris Hedges :

"Manning provided to the public the most important window into the inner workings of imperial power since the release of the Pentagon Papers. The routine use of torture, the detention of Iraqis who were innocent, the inhuman conditions within our secret detention facilities, the use of State Department officials as spies in the United Nations, the collusion with corporations to keep wages low in developing countries such as Haiti, and specific war crimes such as the missile strike on a house that killed seven children in Afghanistan would have remained hidden without Manning." &

"Manning has done what anyone with a conscience should have done. In the courtroom he exhibited—especially given the prolonged abuse he suffered during his thousand days inside the military prison system—poise, intelligence and dignity. He appealed to the best within us. And this is why the government fears him. America still produces heroes, some in uniform. But now we lock them up."

too sad for Latin ...

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 4 years ago

Because US Congress is Fascist. They wont oppose big business.

"...In general, the manifesto was antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, and anti-liberal.[43] On 24 February 1920[dubious – discuss], the party also added "National Socialist" to its official name, in order to appeal to both nationalists and socialists, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP, or Nazis for short), ..."




US Moves Towards Open Arming Of "Syrian Rebels"

By Stephen Lendman

February 28, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - Kerry replaced Clinton at State. He didn't miss a beat. He continues her imperial arrogance. He prioritizes war. He deplores peace. He supports Israel's worst crimes.

He's contemptuous of rule of law principles. He supports wrong over right. He's indifferent to human suffering. US imperial priorities alone matter.

His first overseas trip continues. He left Sunday. He's visiting nine countries in 11 days. After meeting with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, he said:

"We all agree that the time has passed for President Assad to heed the voice of his people and the voice of the people in the world who want a peaceful transition and a new opportunity for Syria."

"That’s why we are examining and developing ways to accelerate the political transition that the Syrian people seek and deserve."

Plans are to assure Western-backed death squads more aid. They're not rebels. They're invaders. They're terrorists. Media scoundrels don't explain.

Last June, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused America of arming Syrian opposition fighters. Doing so is contrary to what US officials claim, he said.

On February 28, the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) said Kerry backs anti-government terrorists. He wants Assad ousted faster. He's involved in doing what he won't admit. He's sending "military vehicles and armors" to death squad killers.

He "neglected any stance that helps the political dialogue, and he only promised to back the armed groups in a way that encourages them to continue their criminal acts of killing, terrifying the innocent citizens, and destroying the government institutions."

Doing so makes him complicit in crimes of war and against humanity. He was earlier as Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman.

He's a longtime insider. He threatens world peace. He prioritizes war. He risks global conflict doing so.

Washington's actively arming, funding, training, and directing anti-Syrian government terrorists. It's been ongoing since conflict erupted.

America planned, instigated, and directs it. Syria is Washington's war.

Obama wants subservient puppet leadership replacing Assad. Plans are longstanding. They're lawless. They're to advance America's imperium. Kerry's job is assuring it. It's his top priority. He's an imperial warrior. Don't expect him to explain.

He's meeting with Friends of Syria in Rome. They subvert peaceful conflict resolution. He'll meet with Syrian National Council representatives in Istanbul.

Opposition fighters won't be left "dangling in the wind," he said. Aid will be significantly increased. Weapons and munitions are prioritized. Wars aren't waged without them.

Regional allies are complicit in supplying them. Israel's very much involved. So are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Turkey. Western war profiteers produce them.

Kerry provides diplomatic cover. He claims he wants peaceful conflict resolution. Washington's waging war to prevent it.

It's got blood on its hands. It bears full responsibility for tens of thousands of Syrian deaths. Kerry's complicit in high crimes. He's dismissive of anti-Assad death squad atrocities.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Manning deserves the nobel prize


Please sign. He needs us.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 4 years ago

Look at Terence Lakins case for an example of severe injustice.

I seriously think Manning was set up using mind control for the purpose of creating sensational sentiment and events of controversy that could be used to cover functional and useful info.

Consider, that there was nothing that really compromised security.

For proportion consider the US military leaving 350 tons of high explosive in Iraq to Saddam. Which disappeared and is now being used to build IEDs.

Who will be accountable?

Is accountability there more important than the Manning case?

If so, who organizes and focuses an effort?

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 4 years ago

Anyone know, from Bradley Manning's standpoint, what his motivation to plead guilty was?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 4 years ago

The hero Bradley Manning plead guilty because he knew he broke the military law he was charged with breaking.

The thing is he did it for us. The thing is there should be some exception for whistle blower activity.

But Bradley Manning is a great American hero precisely BECAUSE he has broke a law (& knew it) sacrificing his freedom (and possibly life) to uncover the crimes being committed in our names.

We owe him. So we scream for a pardon. (because that is all we/he have left) We protest for his release. We agitate against this injustice, We demonstrate to change these laws.

He deserves our efforts. And he needs to know we haven't forgotten.

Please send a thank you to him.


Let's show massive numbers and perhaps the authorities will take notice.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

Very well said 'Iman'.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 4 years ago


[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 4 years ago

"The thing is he did it for us."....agreed, as did Rosa Parks

It is my hope that someday, he gets an apology, and a medal or a monument for his bravery


[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 4 years ago

That would be nice. Getting his freedom now, and a change to the internet laws he is accused of breaking would be nice as well.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 4 years ago

I think a pardon was his only hope anyway. I'm sorry he didn't push things all the way (but I'm not in possession of all the facts, obviously).

Of course, Obama won't pardon him. His commanding generals wouldn't let him.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 4 years ago

Outrageous, and criminal cowardice if the Pres doesn't grant a pardon. (even commutation would be welcomed)

WE must continue the pressure.

And we can send Manning our thanks for his heroic sacrifice.


[-] 3 points by Renneye (3874) 4 years ago

No, but probably dying an old man in prison played on his mind.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 4 years ago

This is very depressing.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 4 years ago

Maximum for what he was facing was death

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

We have 3 months or so to push for time served.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

I think there is a march/rally on June 3rd (round about)-it's in Shadz link.

[-] -1 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 4 years ago

After twenty years he will have learned to keep his mouth shut and admit nada.

[-] 1 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 4 years ago

Thanks.He is in fact a prisoner .Put on ice so to speak.Assange could put large numbers in the street if he pays the USA a visit.His imprisonment and trial here could backfire on the elite.After all he would not be subject to the UCMJ like Manning.The down side would be a personal saftey issue.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 4 years ago

Assange is a hero for sacrificing his freedom in order to uncover truths that we must be made aware of.

WE must keep up the pressure on ALL pols for changes to the laws, and freedom for him, Manning, and any others.

[-] 0 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 3 years ago

He is courageous..What do you mean by pressure?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 3 years ago

Pressure is marchs, petitions, phone calls, boycotts, strikes, letter writing, voting, protests, demonstrations, and any other activism we can think of.


[+] -4 points by highlander (-163) 4 years ago

that is a gift.

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 4 years ago

Whats a gift?

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 4 years ago

There was a time where a life sentence was the standard, before that, death penalty.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 4 years ago

How about set free and lauded as a hero?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

We have about 3 months to DEMAND time served as the maximum sentence.

If we can make enough noise and show that tape to as many people as possible, they just might do it.

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 4 years ago

I returned the twinkle....what the hell is going on around here?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago


[-] 0 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 3 years ago

They will never ever give up Manning.I am very sad to say this but I belive he will die in a cell.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

It's a court marshall and not a court of law, so you may be correct.

I still say a LOUD demand for "time served" could be his last best hope.

[-] -2 points by highlander2 (-48) 3 years ago

Life in Prison

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Go get you some of that.

It will give you someting to do.