Forum Post: Big Bird is part of the 1%
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 11, 2012, 12:35 p.m. EST by WildMan
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And so is "tickle me" Elmo for that matter...
Isn't it time they carried the load themselves?
They could pay for the entire PBS budget a hundred times over.
The CEO of the Sesame Workshop is part of the 1 %. President and CEO Gary Knell makes $956,513 a year.
I'm usually not happy with PBS news
I find they carry the 2 party line
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I likedjon stewart's remark about this. "give us back the 800 billion for the iraqwar and we will give up big bird".
he should tell that to Biden too then right? You know.... since Biden said Iraq had WMD's... was a threat to us ...and also voted for the war in iraq. Also as a senator Obama voted with the republicans to fund that war even though he said he opposed it.
I like John Stewart.... but his statement there makes no sense.
Bush didn't do all that bullshit on his own... he had a corrupt congress helping him along the way.
All it would have taken was an impeachment.... i don't remember Biden and Obama joining Dennis Kucinich with his articles for impeachment of Bush for war crimes.
But yes we could easily fund PBS and many other awesome programs if THEY would just end the wars.
You have a point about the vote. It's not like obama is showing any urgency about ending the wars we are in. Considering a lot of the people against PBS don't mind spending billions on our "security" the comment makes perfect sense. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it shows the differnt priorities between progressives and conseratives. Now if we could get an actual progressive in the white house.
No... it shows that they talk differently.
It says nothing about their alleged priorities or their actions.
Here's a prime example. Republicans back indefinite detention laws and vote for them. Obama says he's against indefinite detention laws but not only did he sign them into law but he also appealed to continue the authority of indefinite detention after a judge filed an injunction against it.
Talk is cheap. I need to see action. Voting records hold 100% more truth than what they say.
Military spending is still up.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-repubs-trying-to-keep-al-qeada-their-war-o/
Military spending is DOWN!!!
And the action most important on indef det, is that this Pres has NEVER used the authority! Only one Pres has.
And this Pres has eliminated more than half the leftover cases from the repub Pres that did use it.
We must protest against it but also recognize progress (NOT USING THE AuTHORITY!!! HELLO) when it occurs.
If you aretruly againstthese critical issues you will recognize the roots are in the fear/war mongering that one party continues and the other does not!
I believe above all that we MUST change our war footing. We MUST stop thefear mongering.
1ST we must end the scare tactics and one party started it, continues it, & believes it benefits their party to maintain it.
We can change nothing until we end the fear/war mongering!! We can best do that by voting out the politicians who spew it!
Military spending is nearly 60% of Federal Discretionary Spending this year. Google it.
Bradley Manning is a prime example of it's use against an America. And if you think GTMO has been closed you should Google it. Indefinite detention still happening to this day.
Had no appeal been filed and won... the Congress would have been forced to reform the laws. So this means you can no longer just blame Congress for indefinite detention laws.
Why would the government claim they need to provisions if they're not using it? Think.
Tell the democrats and republicans to stop using fear tactics to start wars. Iran is not a threat.
George Bush and Joe Biden both told us that Iraq's WMDs were a threat to the US. They were both lying and they both voted to invade Iraq.
To equate Bush and Biden is clearly anti dem partisanship.
Military spending IS 60%, but this Pres has cut almost $100B. And will cut more. You're repubs would never do that!
Bradley Manning is not part of the indef det auth. He broke a military law. I support his release but it ain't the same as the hundreds Bush captured. Please.
Gitmo ain't closed (YOUR repubs obstructed Dems efforts) but Pres Obama has eliminated more than half the cases Bush leftover.
Fear mongering is the unique purvue of your repubs. Always has been. dems have thus far successfully resisted the right wing fear mongering pressure to invade Iran.
Protest drone bombings, rights violations, war mongering. vote out war mongering republicans!!!! Elect peace loving progressives.
You are being foolish and blind to facts
Biden was saying there was WMD's in Iraq since the 90's. He voted to invade Iraq and voted to fund every dollar spent there. Obama voted for every NDAA while he was in the Senate under the Bush admin. These are facts. Their talk is different than their walk... voting records prove that to be true.
Not equating them either... I'm just pointing out the areas where their voting records are identical.
Under military law Manning was supposed to get a trial within 120 days. How many years ago was he detained? Why is Obama not giving him a pardon? Afterall Manning exposed a ton of fraud and murder under the Bush admin.
WMD's. Please 1 senator compared to repubs massive effort to exploit the 9/11 attacks by scaring the shit out of the entire world. No comparison. That is a record!
The fear mongering, war mongering has been used extensively only by Repubs to perpetrate 2 oil wars. to violateout rights. And the repubs are continuing. The dems succeeded at resisting the right wing war mongers pressure to invadeIran.
You ignore these facts because you are an anti dem partisan.
Repubs created these problems, They continue the fear mogering and if we want to end these nightmares we more vote fear mongering, war mongering repubs out of office.
At no point in time have I denied that republicans are warmongers. You need to stop replying like I have said they are not..
The government is doing military operations in the straight of Hormuz and HR 4310 prepares for war in Iran and contains regime change policies. I absolutely guarantee that Obama will sign this legislation after it passes in the Senate. We are essentially surrounding Iran right now and are fucking up their economy with sanctions over a bullshit allegation of "WMD"
If you want to believe the WMD talk about iran... that's up to you. It's a lie being played out by both sides. We're still early into the lie. Now the CIA is saying Iran wants to attack the internet.
But we haven't invaded right? And your repubs have made a massive effort to pressure for an invasion. Right.
So the fact that you ignore these facts reflects your partisanship and constitutes your failureto call republicans thewar mongers they are.
Get it.
The repubs are the problem.
The repubs pushing that massive effort endorse the National Defense Authorization Act for 2013. AKA HR 4310 which prepares for war in Iran. The bill I was telling you Obama will sign.
They're working on going to war in Iran. They have to "budget" for it and figure out plans first.
Notice how I'm speaking against these aggressive actions of war.
Too little too late. I got your number.
If you want to end the indef det, drone bombings.
Then there is 1 thing we must do. Recognize the war mongering roots, the fear momgering roots, Acknowledge who is spewing that crap. And vote them out of office.
Otherwise you are just trying to attach blame to the wrong people. dems have made mistakes and we must protest them too. But the real problem is who has created the war posture, and who is trying to maintain it.
repubs are the problem!!!
Carl Levin is a sponsor too
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/s2225
I'll believe the sole problem is republicans when democrats stop voting with them in regards to these wars and their funding.
"Iraq has WMD's!" - Who said this one? Bush, Cheney, Clinton, or Biden?
The answer is all 4 of them.
So what! The problem is the massiverepub effort of fear mongering, war mongering. Dems ain't done nothing like it.
In fact Dems have been at the fore front of ratcheting down the rhetoric.
"bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" sung to the tune of Beach Boys Barbara ann. Who said that?
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Let's look forward not back. We cannot reclaim that wasted money.
We can cut spending going forward. Everything needs to be looked at no matter how small. All the little things add up. It's like a credit card bill for $1,200 with nothing over $79 on it. We need to fund necessities not niceties. When the economy rebounds we can think about funding the "nice to have" things.
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who gets the profits from sales sesame street merchandise? hint, it isnt the govt.
That was tongue in cheek based on the ads portraying Big Bird as a victim.
Why tax anyone to pay for TV programming?
If the programming cannot generate it's own revenue it is time for it to go. If it is good, enough people will want it and it will stay.
There really is nothing on PBS that you cannot find on self supported television.
Independent news, science, & educational shows that are not empty, vapid, meaningless garbage beholden to corp advertizing dollars.
That's what is on PBS that you cannot find on self supported, reality tv dominated, empty violent sports dominated, commercial infested vast wasteland that is private tv.
There is more great programming today than there ever was when I was growing up.
Science Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel, TLC, DIY, A&E, Bio, History Channel, History International, Animal Planet, Food Network, Hallmark, National Geographic Channel, Nat Wild, CSPAN, CSPAN2, Outdoor, Earth Channel, Green Channel, OLN
Most of which is on cable and suprisingly enough not everyone can afford a monthly cable bill. It's funny how some people can trip out about 120 million going to educational programming yet the billions being handed out to major corps through subsidies and tax rebates is somehow ok.
Yes and some people cannot afford a TV.
There is plenty of educational programming on free over the air channels at n ocost to the tax payer.
Here are some examples:
history channel now shows reality programs, as do TLC, A&E. Biography has morphed into a T.V. version of people magazine.
I guess you just don't know how to find them.
Here is just some of what is on this week
And hundreds of channels of pure crap as well.
Your Point?
There are lotsa channels and some good program but there is so much crap on these channels even.
Net Geographic just started running a show on hunting with Ted Nugent, right before Sons of Guns. Have you seen the pawn shop shows, This is all in an effort to improve ratings increase ad revenue.
Gimme a break. It is nothing like PBS. Who doesn't have to race to the bottom for ad revenue because the public supports it, and they get donations.
Sorry. I like some of the shows on the channels you mentioned but they are getting progressively worse.
I guess you just don't know how to find them.
Here is just some of what is on this week
And by the way I love American Pickers and Pawn Stars. They show the history of some interesting artifacts on those shows.
Yeah I watch 'em too. but they ain't antiques roadshow, or history detectives. There is a difference. I like a lot of the shows you listed and many more on the science/history channels. But PBS shows are of a higher level.
Sorry I can't agree that we don't need PBS anymore. Their independence from ad income is critical.
C'mon
Call the Midwife, Halloween Witch Hats, Upstairs Downstairs, The Joy of New Friends...
I guess if I was an insomniac having trouble sleeping we could make it a prescription part of Medicare or Obamacare as a sleep aid.
Sorry,
There is no reason that tax payers should have to pay for shows that YOU like so that YOU can watch them.
You will never have any luck pushing that logic here.
Fifteen or so years ago, money was tight for me. Really tight. My cable bill at the time was $35 a month. God only know how low a % of my spending it was. Less than my food bill for sure. Guess which of the two I stopped paying so I could get by.
So I should pay for your favorite TV programs because times are tough?
Ummm no. Point was i dropped cable. Also stopped buying cd's, only went to free concerts, etc... Just spent money on essentials, unlike a certain large democracy i wont name.
One thing I noticed around here no one pushes independent way of life all they push is dependency. It's everyone else's fault their life sucks, gov will/should take car of you bla bla. It's just sad self reliance is not common on this site.
welcome to the modern world where those who work hard and ask others to work with them are slave drivers and thieves
And they wonder why this movement never took off. That dems like one big reason.
Im studying Mechanical Engineering i have a job for me when i get out of school i think im doing just fine. But thank you for your concern
Im working on it by going to college and becoming a member that changes the world
Choose what you study carefully, you don't want to be one of hose people who study something and realize there's no jobs for it.
it attracted me and the idea of change and the idea that i must work for it.
Lol, what a shock that didn't really take off! I would love change that you did all the work for sign me up!
Except that there should quality shows that are not slaves to ad revenue.
Independent, fair, educational. Especially childrens tv. Childrens commercial tv can not compare to public tv.
And it ain't about me. It is better for the whole society.
I watch a lot of PBS..no cable and a night owl. They run commercials before and after shows. They just don't run any DURING a program, but their programs are about 50-55m miniutes to get all those commercials in. I personally support my local pbs station and see no reason why taxpayers should. Many of them are already paying out the ass for cable. Not to mention the fact that their political coverage rivals only MSNBC in it's left wing bias. Charlie Rose has come out of the leftist closet (like that was a big surprise) since he joined ABC? in the morning. Frontine is the only show that attempts to look non partisan, but "The Choice" aired earlier this week was their coming out, I guess.
Leftist thinking is better. Conservative policies are at the root of all our problems (& the dems that vote for them).
The fed money for pbs is miniscule. The only reason repubs have tried to cut it is because they don't like the left leaning politics.
So they should get over it. It's childish.
is PBS running the third party debate of october 23 rd ?
I do not think so. But I cannot be sure because sometimes every state has their own PBS station. Where is the debate?
Tuesday, October 23rd: -Third Party Debate in Chicago
I only see that is on their website. But I will check it out.
If pbs sounded like Fox, you'd sing a different tune.
Obviously, But PBS don't sound like FOX! So why pretend?
And why fund them with taxpayer money? ANd pretend what?
Taxpayer money should always support art and educational tv programming so that it isn't beholden to ad dollars.
And I said why pretend that if PBS sounded like FOX I would be singing a different tune. PBS ain't FOX. So why pretend they are?
But but wait you said they were ind.? Are full of it now you then?
Ind from ad dollars, not politically!
Well since we got that straight when it comes to public money lots of people don't want it to to what's seems like a biased agenda.
And lots are just fine. lots more would agree if they could break out ofthe vacant, selfish, racist, war mongering right wing ideology of the conservatives and embrace the correct PBS left wing ideology of love and togetherness.
oooooooo. prrrrrrrrrrr. Kumbaya mothafucker!
right
PBS better cover the third party debates
How are they ind.? PBS pushes a left wing agenda (with a few exceptions) now you tell me how that is ind.
They're not "dependent" on ad revenue.
I didn't mean they were politically independent. I accept that they are left leaning. So what. Isn't left leaning better than right leaning?
I know you said you mother Fuker but all heard was bla bla I'm a Obama camp. Worker trying to get my guy reelected and I claim to hate the stays quo but really just want to continue it.
Who cares what you heard.
You're a right wing wacko no?
Ahh the Obama volunteer hack with no objective honesty wants to call me a rep wacko. Ok widdle man if it makes you feel better.
No it's two different sides of the same turd, you rail against the crusty hard side exposed to the sun but love squishy moist underside, but it's still shit.
Oh that's a good one. I don't have that bumper sticker.
But still it is non sense. The parties are vastly different.
Only in the lies they tell to get elected.
Whatever.
What agenda is that?
Would you prefer them to be more like the for profit learning channel and provide more programming like "Honey Boo Boo"?
Don't watch honey boo boo and see what happens, it will go off the air. There's nothing ind. about PBS why not try being honest and just say it? The thing about for profit learning channels you leave out is of no one watches it goes away. The crap on PBS doesn't I keep paying for the same old crap year after year. When car talk left te air PBS lost the only thing worth watching on there.
So you're the one that keeps that stuff on the air.
You never did answer the first question.
VQ has no problem admitting PBS left leaning so the question is why do you?
I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm not VQ, and you continually refuse to actually defend you idiotic statement.
You haven't proven a single thing, and it's your statement that you need to defend, not VQ's.
See you prove my point, you love to toss out bullshit and get mad when you are called on it.....the truth will set you free man look into it, but it will require you reexamine you entire belief system I can see why that's scary.
The only point proven is the one that your head consists of.
Bless your pointed little head.
You still haven't even come close to proving a PBS agenda.
Yet I'm sure you will repeat your bullshit.
Now that's truly scary. As scary as can be. Ignorance.
Oh but they are perfect examples and the only reason you don think so Is because your biased, look a few post up and VQ'S is at lead honest about PBS left leanings. Maybe honesty is something you can someday look into.
BULLSHIT!
You should stop bullshitting.
FLAKESnews has a known and proven agenda.
They are BLATANT misrepresenters of reality.
You haven't proven an agenda for PBS.
Honesty is something you have NEVER looked into, so stop your insinuations, and actually prove something you say.
Yes I have 100k neilson boxes. I did answer the first part saying PBS is not left wing is like saying fox is not right wing .
I'm afraid it's not like saying that at all.
No legitimate comparison
FLAKESnews is a whole other ball game.
Now will you please demonstrate this alleged "agenda"?
I do get tired of hearing this crap, with no further explanation.
Typical ignore what one of your own days but when I say it act all upset. I'm not trying to change you being a moron be one you seem quite good at being stupid, I see it hasn't worked out to well for though (or you wouldn't be here). If you are truly to stupid and blind to admit that PBS has a left tilt, not my problem.
Unlike you, I prefer some form of proof, rather than hearsay.
If that makes me a moron. So be it, but somehow, I don't think that's the case.
The case would show the opposite to be true.
Have fun with your hearsay moron.
LOL. That is too funny.
I hoped for more from you....:(
You ain't brought up any facts!
You only insult & personally attack 'cause the facts don't match your positions.
When did I say being a racist bigot is ok (like you accused me of)?
"why do you think being a racist bigot is bad in some areas and ok in others?"
I don't think that. Why would you ask?
Ummm.......really??
Yeah really.
Never said anything of the kind. Certainly don't believe it. Maybe you have mistaken me with someone else?
Or maybe you have lost all sense of reality.?
So which is it?
It's funny when a hack tells me about reality, you play stupid well but it doesn't change the facts.
Why.? I told you I am anti republican left wing progressive. You can't think I would like the empty trailer trash garbage.
That is why we need PBS. To remind us how TV is done!
Easy bigot, why do you think being a racist bigot is bad in some areas and ok in others? PBS is why happens to tv when shit for brains do tv.
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I have seen messages of Koch funding on PBS but they still seem to be producing good shows so hopefully that will continue.
But it is a great risk.
I've got that, I just missed the punchline feeling again.
I haven't watched TV in over ten years. Although, I do occasionally like BBC documentaries. So wtf is a big bird? And what so ruffled Obama's feathers that he had to use a bird to mock Republicans?
And you know what they say, birds of a feather...