Forum Post: Beware of Libe(R)tarians, Bearing "Gifts"
Posted 10 years ago on Jan. 25, 2014, 12:02 p.m. EST by shoozTroll
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You should know that, but here's the latest.
What does the NSA need if it wants to spy on you? Even before legal permission, there’s the basics: electricity to run its computers and water to feed the servers that stores the reams of data they acquire. Enterprising state legislators in six states have seized upon this almost-too-obvious insight, and used it to draft legislation that would quite literally turn off the NSA’s lights in their states.
This might seem like a good idea to NSA critics unhappy with President Obama’s reform proposals, but the constitutional theory it depends on is profoundly dangerous. It poses a serious threat to that liberal touchstone, a federal regulatory and welfare state equal to the problems of growing corporate power and poverty.
Ultimately, this proposal to depower the NSA reveals that there’s only so much that can be accomplished by right-left coalitions. Unless each side can agree to abandon tactics that threaten the other’s sacred cows, the members of these coalitions must constantly be on guard against the man standing behind them waiting to stick a knife in their back.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/
Yes Virginia, motives do matter.
Bottom line = the state ( government ) is growing in fear of the general population due to it's catering to corp(se)oRATions and the extremely wealthy at our and the environments expense = Hence BIG BROTHER SPYING into every aspect of our lives. Thing is when we hear about them talking about shutting down aspects of the spying - it is the same as their wanting to reduce taxes - it is about their taxes as well as privacy - not ours.
Don't forget the attacks on the rights of women and LBGT, retirees, the unemployed.......etc,etc..
It's way past time to tax the people behind the think tanks, that are doing these things, as well as remove the tax exemption from those tanks..
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/state-legislators-sponsored-abortion-restriction-2014
There are ways out of this mess, but they have yet to present one of them.
That's their normal MO - attack the public to keep us off balance and at odds with each other as much as possible.
There are ways out of this mess - plenty of ways - but it requires the irresponsible assholes to take part and B responsible/accountable.
Oh, and don't forget, talk about community, while actually ignoring it.
Because...........Obama.
It's like nothing else exists to them.
Yep - talk - as how could they be ignoring community if they are seen to be talking about it? They figure ( surprisingly correctly ) that if they talk while doing nothing that much of the public will be satisfied. KICK THAT CAN - KICK IT!!
Did you see Gov. Snyder's "new" plan for Detroit?
In a city with some the highest unemployment in the nation, he want's to bring in 50,000 immigrants. Oh, and FORCE them to live there.
American apartheid.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/01/gov_rick_snyder_wants_immigrat.html
Ooooooo federal immigrant monies how tasty - OH - Wait - He's not all against immigrant monies??? Can't those assholes make up their minds? Gubmn't too big - Gubmn't spending too much - Close T borders - WAIT - um can we - T wealthy - keep receiving public monies and just get rid of T public?
Fun stuff, huh?
All for the sake of American apartheid.
I never said libe(R)tarians make any scene.
Quite the opposite.
They love making a scene - it just seems that they just don't know how to do it without being obscene.
Ahhhh.
That was a typo you made fit... Good on you.
I meant to say they don't make any sense.
they both fit though.
Sure they do = NON-sense - and they seem to work really really hard at it and then spend tons of money to disseminate it out to the public.
That's why they can NEVER say the names of those paying for what's happening all around us.
Preferring to play political games, you will rarely ever see the word Koch emanate from their keyboards.
Here's 20.
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18440-the-20-richest-americans-takers-not-makers
They've been trying almost constantly to force posters to take a political stance, while they themselves refuse to do so in any real sense.
It's why if we actually work at solutions, you will somehow or another find the name Obama at the top of postings.
Or some other attack on liberals, and democrats in particular, but you won't see them demean (R)epelican'ts in any but the most token of ways.
That's the MO - distract prevaricate.
You may not believe this, but that tactic was in the original teabagge(R), forum disruption video.
The aim is to make sure any discussion that moves forward can be at least marginally accepted/adapted to the agenda.
Absolutely =
Lower taxes ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )
More personal freedom ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )
Less regulations ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )
No responsibility/accountability ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )
etc etc etc ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )
Look who's joined in on the plan to wall off Detroit!
FLAKESnews, the most watched news station in history!
L. Brooks would proud.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/28/fox-news-laura-ingraham-wall-off-detroit-to-keep-the-immigrants-in/
Yes, motives do matter. A hell of a lot.
Everyone of these libertopian fools on this site need to remember that nobody forgot.
I like how they avoid talking about Costa Rican spying.
The US is one of the best, but they all spy on their own and each other.
Almost every country and almost every corporation.
It's endemic, and the tech is going to continue to evolve.
They probably don't know about Costa Rica This is simply their whipping boy.
Watch them vote me down and prove the veracity of my statement.
I think they're still really, really mad about all the Ron Lawl stuff.
Perhaps some recent, anti-women's rights statements by their new and improved standard bearer, Ayn Paul would help?
He's been acting the serious ass lately.
"At least he admitted that the war against them, is real."
That is an example of the depth of insanity currently running rampant in our society. They do this shit more and more - right out in public - declare war on women declare war on the general public/population - and YET - they still have supporters from those they attack - perpetually blatantly attack.
Women's rights, don't get much play around here.
As soon as time will let me, I'll be posting a thread on Moral Mondays.
It's spread to Georgia.
Not anywhere really. Not in a positive manner anyway. How can any self"respecting" woman support such out and out women hating people? How can any self"respecting" woman be a part of those politics? Does it really pay them that well to be a sellout to their gender?
It would make for an interesting study.
My guess would be a base in religions convictions.
Or feeling the need to be punished? Self Hate?
Indeed, due to religious conviction.
Not all sects promote that, but many do.
Note to suicide bombers: U R crazy if U thimk Ur actions have merit - U only hurt Ur cause - if U feel the need to be punished - fine - see a Dr about flogging Ur self - but leave innocent people out of Ur need for self abuse/annihilation.
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oh..............Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee lead the way of morons of the week.
That's a bit mild - I was thimking more like - leading morons exceptional of the last hundred years along with rubio scott can't-or bitchman boner etc
They both out did themselves this week. Really.
Hard to imagine - much projectile vomiting in response?
It's not even close to over. Now, Rand Paul wants to start a war between women and men. I give it less than a week and there will be a half dozen new IDs trying to play it out.
Huh RP taking an awkward bassackwards approach to promoting homosexuality without appearing to? Is this a Freudian thing?
Mitch said it's the party of the private sector. Paul Rand said that women have taken over men's jobs. Neither of those POS have an ounce of integrity between them.
Nor - seemingly - a properly functioning braincell.
Exactly.
Talking about losers/pr and being tied to a shity script:
You won't believe why MSNBC cut away from this interview
I guess that "that" is the shits of being a prevaricator for hire - they need to stick to the insane scripts of their employer.
That's where they fail.
"That's why they hire PR firms."
Here's to the day when they are referred to as softies - as they can no longer get it up ( put it out ) in the face of an educated public.
They already have. The problem with PR firms is that they are entirely too far behind.
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Yep - tons of money being made in the prevarication binness.
Yep.
It is amazing - absolutely amazing - that those assholes have any support from the average population - I Mean - HOW INSANE IS THAT??? Chalk one up for dumbing down?
That's why they hire PR firms. Nobody else is buying their shit.
Didn't Ayn Paul, recently say in effect, that women already won the war that's been waged against them?
So now he's fighting back!
Yeah, that's pretty much what he said.
At least he admitted that the war against them, is real.
Watch in horror, as the Worldwide network of libe(R)tarians proudly kill those without enough money to satisfy their own uncured disease, pleonexia.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/26/3205861/pharmaceutical-ceo-cancer-drug-westerners-afford/
Yep. I saw that. That man is a douche.
It's like I've been saying. Libe(R)tarianism is a Worldwide issue.
Legitimatized by the Koch's and their cohorts, and spreading rapidly throughout the World.
to the detriment of all of us.
Yep.
The hour is growing late, in more ways than one.
It's already half past late.
And the vortex is growing worse.
What happens when the summer vortex melts even more ice than is melting now?
I mean besides the deep south hollering about how the gays made god do it.
This summer is going to be quite dangerous.
If one parks itself over Greenland, this site, currently being re-calibrated, will be one you'll want to keep an eye on.
http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
in truth, they are libe(R)tarians, doing their highjacking stuff ala the teabagge(R) forum disruption video.
So they ignore all truths about their "chosen" ideology.
In favor of.....
LOOK!!!!
Over there!!
Obama!
He's an ass, but I am so sick of the libe(R)tarian lies around here. I could scream.
YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
There.
I feel a little better now.
Well they like to push everything to a Pro/Anti Obama because that's pretty much their entire script.
Yeah, they do completely subscribe to American exceptionalism.
There's nothing else out there, unless..........Obama.
And........he's not up for election.
the next one will be worse, our search for leadership is long and tired and the solutions are in the mirror the whole time anyways
Hey?
I have a question for you.
What State are you in?
Are you aware that we have State governments?
50 of 'em.
They comprise our community.
They are the ultimate guide to any sitting President.
As go the States, so goes the Nation.
What is happening in your own personal State?
With the sudden influx around here, I have a suspicion, they're just gearing up for tomorrow.
The Koch's didn't suddenly abandon their radical activism.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/01/americans-for-prosperity-taking-a-page-from-ofas-playbook-funds-state-of-the-union-watch-parties-in-twelve-states.html
I have every intention of ridiculing these clowns.
I sure missed you around here yesterday.
the fuckers had a field day.
people prefer faces, and the faces prefer to stay hidden, unless politicians can take the heat off
Being faceless and being mindless, are two different things.
You are the latter, and rather dishonest at that.
But you have some serious issues with definitions anyway, so that's to be expected.
I figure you just like to hide behind lies.
Perhaps reality is too scary in the doublewide of your mind?
It's doublewide, but it's still obviously very limiting.
do you have any pictures of yourself? putting a face to people on tv land helps with clarity, it could also be humbling and lead to less hate
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So you're into selfies too?
Such a trendy little liar.
Senseless, divisive and downright dishonest too.
Libe(R)tarian to the core whether you'll admit it or not.
Perhaps you haven't even realized it yet?
If you keep refusing the help I'm offering, you are doing yourself a disservice.
You've spread nothing but hate since you arrived in this iteration.
do you support president obama? litmus tests are good for clarity
Do you support PR firms?
ideas and concepts are like air, hard to grasp yet always there.
Ya, well and this is why you and your shithead friends are well.........shit heads. What you adhere to, as do they, is that corporations are people too.
do you mind? conversations are hard with constant harsh critiques
Well, give up your paid to post shilling.
Ahhhh.
That's why you don't have any, beyond the half baked.
You don't have a grip on your mind.
What libe(R)tarian PR group did you sell it to?
Those pesky lying federalists?
Litmus test, huh?
Let's see..............
Nope.
You haven't answered a single honest question asked of you and you still don't understand the term radical.
Nor the term litmus, as you are applying it.
From your only source...wiki.
A litmus test is a question asked of a potential candidate for high office, the answer to which would determine whether the nominating official would proceed with the appointment or nomination. The expression is a metaphor based on the litmus test in chemistry. Those who must approve a nominee, such as a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, may also be said to apply a litmus test to determine whether the nominee will receive their vote. In these contexts, the phrase comes up most often with respect to nominations to the judiciary.
So what high office are YOU running for?
Dog catcher?
litmus tests for drugs are almost never wrong, and when they are it causes the accused a great deal of pain
You pass the test!
Dog catcher it is then!!!
Where will you be running?
In the shiny doublewide of your mind?
have you ever lived in a doublewide?
Not in your mind, I haven't. Don't plan to either.
It's really ugly all up in there.
Have you ever made sense?
Or are you pretending to be the 2nd....er 40th.........er 10,000 iteration of that lying bastard trashy?
The great liar and divider.
this is a great struggle to come to a realization if all inclusive is something of consequence here. inclusive is a road less traveled for good reason.
this is of no distraction, do you support all inclusive?
for clarity
are you all inclusive?
It doesn't look that way.
Your focus is quite narrow and off the mark.
what does it depend on?
Do you believe in honesty?
It depends on your answer to that simple question, and some that may follow, depending on your answer........
how can we have a political discourse if one person holds the rule book and will not open it to others?
What is the level of inclusiveness permitted by you?
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Do you believe in honesty?
what is the level of all inclusiveness?
all pieces must fit in base level
if they are to work with each other
What is the level of your honesty?
Do you even believe in it?
yes. levels of inclusiveness will dictate levels of conversations for an internet platform.
Do you support all inclusive?
That depends.
I didn't know you had changed the subject, to your "concern" about the forum.
Will you be bitching about those who've been banned?
Stuff it.
this isn't place for that.
So I return to my previous statement.
I believe in honesty.
You apparently don't.
you haven't? comfort is in the eye of the beholder, but when does the public get a say in whats comfortable?
When the libe(R)tarians finally STFU.
Would you care to help us attain that goal?
No.
I don't suppose you would.
That's obviously, not your game, nor your aim.
Dissuasion is your religion.
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do you believe that ignoring a statement means that the ignoree is therefore endorsing it? when our logic becomes one of offense and picking, where is the end game. many have many opinions on many topics.
Was that a no, or further distraction?
I take it honesty isn't your strong suit.
Have you thought about renouncing your religion?
so you don't support all inclusive? how much do numbers matter?
I support honesty.
Do you?
do you support all inclusive?
I support honesty.
Do you?
do you support all inclusive? you can say no, it is not an illegal statement
I support honesty.
Do you?
So I take it you refuse to help us in that very important goal?
the NSA is a giant data base
and that data base is beating the elites at chess
We don't really know what the NSA is.
That's classified.
Be aware though, that such data bases are growing all over the World.
They will all continue to grow as the tech supports it.
Even Costa Rica spies on it's phone user base.
it's very or welling
skynet sees all but instead of propagating violence
calls it out and the people call for it's end.
.
inequality is not enforceable without violence
It's just tech, it's not going to go away, even they pretend they do.
The big question is how to make it all open.
Information, yearns to be free.
Even truer today, then ever before.
there is no liberty in this country founded on blood and bullets, and bullets and blood continue to spill while we debate how best to keep it going.
Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with libe(R)tarians, nor the OP.
While we're on the subject of spying. Did you know that the libe(R)tarians favorite "get away" is doing it too?
Or do you subscribe to American exceptionalism?
http://cpj.org/2014/01/costa-rica-must-investigate-tracking-of-dailys-pho.php
public hands or private hands is of no consequence to our government, protesting or procrastinating is the same treatment.
Let me know when you've actually read any of it and can get back, with something cogent, that's germane to the topic..
Or is that too radical for you?
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