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Forum Post: Beware of Libe(R)tarians, Bearing "Gifts"

Posted 6 months ago on Jan. 25, 2014, 12:02 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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You should know that, but here's the latest.

What does the NSA need if it wants to spy on you? Even before legal permission, there’s the basics: electricity to run its computers and water to feed the servers that stores the reams of data they acquire. Enterprising state legislators in six states have seized upon this almost-too-obvious insight, and used it to draft legislation that would quite literally turn off the NSA’s lights in their states.

This might seem like a good idea to NSA critics unhappy with President Obama’s reform proposals, but the constitutional theory it depends on is profoundly dangerous. It poses a serious threat to that liberal touchstone, a federal regulatory and welfare state equal to the problems of growing corporate power and poverty.

Ultimately, this proposal to depower the NSA reveals that there’s only so much that can be accomplished by right-left coalitions. Unless each side can agree to abandon tactics that threaten the other’s sacred cows, the members of these coalitions must constantly be on guard against the man standing behind them waiting to stick a knife in their back.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/24/3189211/states-kill-nsa-shutting-water/

Yes Virginia, motives do matter.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Bottom line = the state ( government ) is growing in fear of the general population due to it's catering to corp(se)oRATions and the extremely wealthy at our and the environments expense = Hence BIG BROTHER SPYING into every aspect of our lives. Thing is when we hear about them talking about shutting down aspects of the spying - it is the same as their wanting to reduce taxes - it is about their taxes as well as privacy - not ours.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Don't forget the attacks on the rights of women and LBGT, retirees, the unemployed.......etc,etc..

It's way past time to tax the people behind the think tanks, that are doing these things, as well as remove the tax exemption from those tanks..

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/state-legislators-sponsored-abortion-restriction-2014

There are ways out of this mess, but they have yet to present one of them.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

That's their normal MO - attack the public to keep us off balance and at odds with each other as much as possible.

There are ways out of this mess - plenty of ways - but it requires the irresponsible assholes to take part and B responsible/accountable.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Oh, and don't forget, talk about community, while actually ignoring it.

Because...........Obama.

It's like nothing else exists to them.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Oh, and don't forget, talk about community, while actually ignoring it.

Yep - talk - as how could they be ignoring community if they are seen to be talking about it? They figure ( surprisingly correctly ) that if they talk while doing nothing that much of the public will be satisfied. KICK THAT CAN - KICK IT!!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Did you see Gov. Snyder's "new" plan for Detroit?

In a city with some the highest unemployment in the nation, he want's to bring in 50,000 immigrants. Oh, and FORCE them to live there.

American apartheid.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/01/gov_rick_snyder_wants_immigrat.html

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Ooooooo federal immigrant monies how tasty - OH - Wait - He's not all against immigrant monies??? Can't those assholes make up their minds? Gubmn't too big - Gubmn't spending too much - Close T borders - WAIT - um can we - T wealthy - keep receiving public monies and just get rid of T public?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Fun stuff, huh?

All for the sake of American apartheid.

I never said libe(R)tarians make any scene.

Quite the opposite.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

I never said libe(R)tarians make any scene.

They love making a scene - it just seems that they just don't know how to do it without being obscene.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Ahhhh.

That was a typo you made fit... Good on you.

I meant to say they don't make any sense.

they both fit though.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

I meant to say they don't make any sense.

Sure they do = NON-sense - and they seem to work really really hard at it and then spend tons of money to disseminate it out to the public.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

That's why they can NEVER say the names of those paying for what's happening all around us.

Preferring to play political games, you will rarely ever see the word Koch emanate from their keyboards.

Here's 20.

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18440-the-20-richest-americans-takers-not-makers

They've been trying almost constantly to force posters to take a political stance, while they themselves refuse to do so in any real sense.

It's why if we actually work at solutions, you will somehow or another find the name Obama at the top of postings.

Or some other attack on liberals, and democrats in particular, but you won't see them demean (R)epelican'ts in any but the most token of ways.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

That's the MO - distract prevaricate.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

You may not believe this, but that tactic was in the original teabagge(R), forum disruption video.

The aim is to make sure any discussion that moves forward can be at least marginally accepted/adapted to the agenda.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

The aim is to make sure any discussion that moves forward can be at least marginally accepted/adapted to the agenda.

Absolutely =

Lower taxes ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )

More personal freedom ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )

Less regulations ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )

No responsibility/accountability ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )

etc etc etc ( 4 corp(se)oRATions & t wealthy )

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Look who's joined in on the plan to wall off Detroit!

FLAKESnews, the most watched news station in history!

L. Brooks would proud.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/28/fox-news-laura-ingraham-wall-off-detroit-to-keep-the-immigrants-in/

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Yes, motives do matter. A hell of a lot.

Everyone of these libertopian fools on this site need to remember that nobody forgot.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

I like how they avoid talking about Costa Rican spying.

The US is one of the best, but they all spy on their own and each other.

Almost every country and almost every corporation.

It's endemic, and the tech is going to continue to evolve.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

They probably don't know about Costa Rica This is simply their whipping boy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Watch them vote me down and prove the veracity of my statement.

I think they're still really, really mad about all the Ron Lawl stuff.

Perhaps some recent, anti-women's rights statements by their new and improved standard bearer, Ayn Paul would help?

He's been acting the serious ass lately.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

[-] 2 points by shooz (26373) 1 minute ago

Didn't Ayn Paul, recently say in effect, that women already won the war that's been waged against them?

So now he's fighting back!

Yeah, that's pretty much want he said.

At least he admitted that the war against them, is real.

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"At least he admitted that the war against them, is real."

That is an example of the depth of insanity currently running rampant in our society. They do this shit more and more - right out in public - declare war on women declare war on the general public/population - and YET - they still have supporters from those they attack - perpetually blatantly attack.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Women's rights, don't get much play around here.

As soon as time will let me, I'll be posting a thread on Moral Mondays.

It's spread to Georgia.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Women's rights, don't get much play around here.

Not anywhere really. Not in a positive manner anyway. How can any self"respecting" woman support such out and out women hating people? How can any self"respecting" woman be a part of those politics? Does it really pay them that well to be a sellout to their gender?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

It would make for an interesting study.

My guess would be a base in religions convictions.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Or feeling the need to be punished? Self Hate?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Indeed, due to religious conviction.

Not all sects promote that, but many do.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Not all sects promote that, but many do.

Note to suicide bombers: U R crazy if U thimk Ur actions have merit - U only hurt Ur cause - if U feel the need to be punished - fine - see a Dr about flogging Ur self - but leave innocent people out of Ur need for self abuse/annihilation.

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

oh..............Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee lead the way of morons of the week.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

That's a bit mild - I was thimking more like - leading morons exceptional of the last hundred years along with rubio scott can't-or bitchman boner etc

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

They both out did themselves this week. Really.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

They both out did themselves this week.

Hard to imagine - much projectile vomiting in response?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

It's not even close to over. Now, Rand Paul wants to start a war between women and men. I give it less than a week and there will be a half dozen new IDs trying to play it out.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Huh RP taking an awkward bassackwards approach to promoting homosexuality without appearing to? Is this a Freudian thing?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Mitch said it's the party of the private sector. Paul Rand said that women have taken over men's jobs. Neither of those POS have an ounce of integrity between them.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Neither of those POS have an ounce of integrity between them.

Nor - seemingly - a properly functioning braincell.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Exactly.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Talking about losers/pr and being tied to a shity script:

You won't believe why MSNBC cut away from this interview

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21626) 7 minutes ago

They already have. The problem with PR firms is that they are entirely too far behind.

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I guess that "that" is the shits of being a prevaricator for hire - they need to stick to the insane scripts of their employer.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

That's where they fail.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21614) 3 minutes ago

Yep. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

"That's why they hire PR firms."

Here's to the day when they are referred to as softies - as they can no longer get it up ( put it out ) in the face of an educated public.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

They already have. The problem with PR firms is that they are entirely too far behind.

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21614) 0 minutes ago

That's why they hire PR firms. Nobody else is buying their shit. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Yep - tons of money being made in the prevarication binness.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Yep.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

It is amazing - absolutely amazing - that those assholes have any support from the average population - I Mean - HOW INSANE IS THAT??? Chalk one up for dumbing down?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

That's why they hire PR firms. Nobody else is buying their shit.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Didn't Ayn Paul, recently say in effect, that women already won the war that's been waged against them?

So now he's fighting back!

Yeah, that's pretty much what he said.

At least he admitted that the war against them, is real.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Watch in horror, as the Worldwide network of libe(R)tarians proudly kill those without enough money to satisfy their own uncured disease, pleonexia.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/26/3205861/pharmaceutical-ceo-cancer-drug-westerners-afford/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Yep. I saw that. That man is a douche.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

It's like I've been saying. Libe(R)tarianism is a Worldwide issue.

Legitimatized by the Koch's and their cohorts, and spreading rapidly throughout the World.

to the detriment of all of us.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Yep.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

The hour is growing late, in more ways than one.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

It's already half past late.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

And the vortex is growing worse.

What happens when the summer vortex melts even more ice than is melting now?

I mean besides the deep south hollering about how the gays made god do it.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

This summer is going to be quite dangerous.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

If one parks itself over Greenland, this site, currently being re-calibrated, will be one you'll want to keep an eye on.

http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

in truth, they are libe(R)tarians, doing their highjacking stuff ala the teabagge(R) forum disruption video.

So they ignore all truths about their "chosen" ideology.

In favor of.....

LOOK!!!!

Over there!!

Obama!

He's an ass, but I am so sick of the libe(R)tarian lies around here. I could scream.

YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

There.

I feel a little better now.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Well they like to push everything to a Pro/Anti Obama because that's pretty much their entire script.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Yeah, they do completely subscribe to American exceptionalism.

There's nothing else out there, unless..........Obama.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

And........he's not up for election.

[-] 1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

the next one will be worse, our search for leadership is long and tired and the solutions are in the mirror the whole time anyways

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Hey?

I have a question for you.

What State are you in?

Are you aware that we have State governments?

50 of 'em.

They comprise our community.

They are the ultimate guide to any sitting President.

As go the States, so goes the Nation.

What is happening in your own personal State?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

With the sudden influx around here, I have a suspicion, they're just gearing up for tomorrow.

The Koch's didn't suddenly abandon their radical activism.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/01/americans-for-prosperity-taking-a-page-from-ofas-playbook-funds-state-of-the-union-watch-parties-in-twelve-states.html

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

I have every intention of ridiculing these clowns.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

I sure missed you around here yesterday.

the fuckers had a field day.

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

people prefer faces, and the faces prefer to stay hidden, unless politicians can take the heat off

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Being faceless and being mindless, are two different things.

You are the latter, and rather dishonest at that.

But you have some serious issues with definitions anyway, so that's to be expected.

I figure you just like to hide behind lies.

Perhaps reality is too scary in the doublewide of your mind?

It's doublewide, but it's still obviously very limiting.

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you have any pictures of yourself? putting a face to people on tv land helps with clarity, it could also be humbling and lead to less hate

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

So you're into selfies too?

Such a trendy little liar.

Senseless, divisive and downright dishonest too.

Libe(R)tarian to the core whether you'll admit it or not.

Perhaps you haven't even realized it yet?

If you keep refusing the help I'm offering, you are doing yourself a disservice.

You've spread nothing but hate since you arrived in this iteration.

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you support president obama? litmus tests are good for clarity

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Do you support PR firms?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

ideas and concepts are like air, hard to grasp yet always there.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Ya, well and this is why you and your shithead friends are well.........shit heads. What you adhere to, as do they, is that corporations are people too.

[-] 1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you mind? conversations are hard with constant harsh critiques

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 months ago

Well, give up your paid to post shilling.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Ahhhh.

That's why you don't have any, beyond the half baked.

You don't have a grip on your mind.

What libe(R)tarian PR group did you sell it to?

Those pesky lying federalists?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Litmus test, huh?

Let's see..............

Nope.

You haven't answered a single honest question asked of you and you still don't understand the term radical.

Nor the term litmus, as you are applying it.

From your only source...wiki.

A litmus test is a question asked of a potential candidate for high office, the answer to which would determine whether the nominating official would proceed with the appointment or nomination. The expression is a metaphor based on the litmus test in chemistry. Those who must approve a nominee, such as a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, may also be said to apply a litmus test to determine whether the nominee will receive their vote. In these contexts, the phrase comes up most often with respect to nominations to the judiciary.

So what high office are YOU running for?

Dog catcher?

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

litmus tests for drugs are almost never wrong, and when they are it causes the accused a great deal of pain

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

You pass the test!

Dog catcher it is then!!!

Where will you be running?

In the shiny doublewide of your mind?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

have you ever lived in a doublewide?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Not in your mind, I haven't. Don't plan to either.

It's really ugly all up in there.

Have you ever made sense?

Or are you pretending to be the 2nd....er 40th.........er 10,000 iteration of that lying bastard trashy?

The great liar and divider.

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

this is a great struggle to come to a realization if all inclusive is something of consequence here. inclusive is a road less traveled for good reason.

this is of no distraction, do you support all inclusive?

for clarity

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

are you all inclusive?

It doesn't look that way.

Your focus is quite narrow and off the mark.

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

what does it depend on?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Do you believe in honesty?

It depends on your answer to that simple question, and some that may follow, depending on your answer........

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

how can we have a political discourse if one person holds the rule book and will not open it to others?

What is the level of inclusiveness permitted by you?

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Do you believe in honesty?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

what is the level of all inclusiveness?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

all pieces must fit in base level

if they are to work with each other

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

What is the level of your honesty?

Do you even believe in it?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

yes. levels of inclusiveness will dictate levels of conversations for an internet platform.

Do you support all inclusive?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

That depends.

I didn't know you had changed the subject, to your "concern" about the forum.

Will you be bitching about those who've been banned?

Stuff it.

this isn't place for that.

So I return to my previous statement.

I believe in honesty.

You apparently don't.

[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

you haven't? comfort is in the eye of the beholder, but when does the public get a say in whats comfortable?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

When the libe(R)tarians finally STFU.

Would you care to help us attain that goal?

No.

I don't suppose you would.

That's obviously, not your game, nor your aim.

Dissuasion is your religion.

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[-] 0 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you believe that ignoring a statement means that the ignoree is therefore endorsing it? when our logic becomes one of offense and picking, where is the end game. many have many opinions on many topics.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Was that a no, or further distraction?

I take it honesty isn't your strong suit.

Have you thought about renouncing your religion?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

so you don't support all inclusive? how much do numbers matter?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

I support honesty.

Do you?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you support all inclusive?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

I support honesty.

Do you?

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

do you support all inclusive? you can say no, it is not an illegal statement

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

I support honesty.

Do you?

So I take it you refuse to help us in that very important goal?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

the NSA is a giant data base

and that data base is beating the elites at chess

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

We don't really know what the NSA is.

That's classified.

Be aware though, that such data bases are growing all over the World.

They will all continue to grow as the tech supports it.

Even Costa Rica spies on it's phone user base.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

it's very or welling

skynet sees all but instead of propagating violence

calls it out and the people call for it's end.

.

inequality is not enforceable without violence

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

It's just tech, it's not going to go away, even they pretend they do.

The big question is how to make it all open.

Information, yearns to be free.

Even truer today, then ever before.

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

there is no liberty in this country founded on blood and bullets, and bullets and blood continue to spill while we debate how best to keep it going.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with libe(R)tarians, nor the OP.

While we're on the subject of spying. Did you know that the libe(R)tarians favorite "get away" is doing it too?

Or do you subscribe to American exceptionalism?

http://cpj.org/2014/01/costa-rica-must-investigate-tracking-of-dailys-pho.php

[-] -1 points by RadicalsUnite (94) 6 months ago

public hands or private hands is of no consequence to our government, protesting or procrastinating is the same treatment.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 months ago

Let me know when you've actually read any of it and can get back, with something cogent, that's germane to the topic..

Or is that too radical for you?

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