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Forum Post: Bernie Sanders considering 2016 White House bid to represent progressive causes

Posted 8 months ago on Nov. 18, 2013, 8:46 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17440)
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The U.S. Senate’s lone independent said he’s considering a White House run in 2016 if no other progressive candidates enter the race.

There you go http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/18/bernie-sanders-considering-2016-white-house-bid-to-represent-progressive-causes/



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[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13639) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

First, let me state unequivocally, I vote for Bernie Sanders every chance I get. I think I understand the principle he is putting forth, in that the interests of the people must be represented by someone in Washington, at the highest levels possible, and there must be pushback against this coalescing oligarchy that becomes less ephemeral and more concrete and more readily apparent in the lives of average American citizens every day.

What concerns me is that a President representing the interests of the people is not going to be nearly enough to provide change, there must be members of Congress who do as well, or such a President, if elected, serves to provide the people with little but false hope and stop gap measures that do nothing to ensure the future, but rather simply extend the present, balanced on a knife's edge.

The Senator currently works in DC, perhaps he can readily spot missed opportunities by the incumbent that the average observer would miss. I would point out that the array of opposition to the President has, in my view, been quite extensive. I for one, do not believe the Flyby of Air Force One over NYC: NYT - April 27, 2009 was a coincidence, but rather a very carefully orchestrated embarrassment designed by someone in the Pentagon, quite likely someone with ties to JSOC.

But that's just me. I am, after all, the guy who is a devout adherent to the premise that in the wake of statements Obama made as Senator and then as candidate regarding the Ottoman genocide of 1915, someone insisted that President Obama must reassure the Turkish government and its people, which ultimately led to a state visit.

I would refer everyone to the video by NBC, http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30065504/#.UotFyNI3u5x where at approximately 2 minutes and 28 seconds in we can see two men on a dais, one appears to be President Obama, a cannon is heard, and the man flinches very visibly. The article that goes with the video was last updated 4/6/2009.

April of 2009 must have been a very difficult month for the President. I am positive that it is but one of many, beginning with the attempt by Roberts to create the myth that the President was not properly sworn in and therefore not really, legitimately, the President.

As the past five years have shown us, one man representing the People from the Oval Office is insufficient. We require a purge. I do not believe Sanders is suggesting anything like the kind of bloodshed that would provide real and meaningful solutions to this coalescence of oligarchy among us. And therefore I am convinced that he can better serve the people by being one among one hundred, ready to seize those opportunities that arise and capitalize on them, in the hope that a steady and concerted effort can be initiated that first curbs and then eliminates this real and present threat to the people and the nation without recourse to open rebellion.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13639) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

Further, if Sanders is serious about a Presidential campaign, then I do believe he will require a Secret Service detail immediately after making the announcement. He should also initiate a careful review of all of the security leaks that have occurred during the last five years, compare to the eight years previous to that, examine closely the environment in which the leaks have occurred, including but not limited to the President's schedule in Australia, 2011 to Snowden.

Then his entire staff should attend a specially tailored seminar, designed to enlighten all regarding the threat posed by individuals not at all unlike myself, and the way such individuals are encouraged to their deeds by others, others who are in positions of power and who employ any number of different exploits to produce their desired results.

Events such as that at Dallas in 2008 should not occur, for any reason - and everyone on staff must be on the same page, operating from the same set of principles, when it comes to the issue of security.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I'm sure that he would be. That said, I'm pretty sure that Sanders is also quite aware that, historically, the moment that you enter the political arena then you are at risk. Further, it would take a real dumbass not to see an attempt as creating a martyr.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13639) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

I expected that a black man running for the highest office would have had people around him who clearly understood that threat - which is why I included a link to the 2008 Dallas event. As I recall there was a question at the time whether a staff member had urged the Secret Service to cut back on their screenings once the lines started to lengthen. Fortunately - or amazingly, or both - nothing happened.

Regardless of how that event happened, a Sanders campaign would benefit greatly if it could anticipate just those kinds of PR Traps and avoid them.

AS far as dumb asses go, we seem to have no shortage.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I agree that Sanders would benefit.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I think that Turkey's fears always stem from the Treaty of Sevres and this is due to the US spread of Democracy in the ME. In fact, there is recent opinion piece in the Hurriyet Daily that kind of gives an idea of the attitude. There was a much better piece in the same newspaper that was written when Ambassador Francis Ricciardone was blocked back in 2010, but I can't find it. Turkey had wanted Ricciardone. I hope this will jar people's memories.

I mention the above, not to dismiss the genocide, but rather to point out that it is a piece to a larger issue/concern/fear. Then there is the admission to the EU and there are points in time where people in Turkey are very vocal about "to hell with 'em" and hoop jumping.

I agree that one man is insufficient. However, he does have the power to push the dialogue to the left. Instead of candidates being pulled to the right. I find that interesting.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

link fixed.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13639) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

I did not know one was broken - I just now had time to read them. I am tempted to inquire if there were some ulterior motive behind the first link, but that would be paraniod, wouldn't it?

From a Turkish perspective, being at the intersection of so many competing interests, from historical claims to imperial aspirations [historical and contemporary] to modern industrial endeavors and exploits within the third world, one cannot help but find the paranoid Turk as blameless. And therein lies a small dilemma: where does one draw the line and distinguish between one who is paranoid and one whose eyes are wide open . . .

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

No, it would be truthful. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you. I think the line is where it becomes debilitating.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

I think the line is where it becomes debilitating.

Like from living in constant crises created by Business and abetted by government?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

Yes, very similar.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

I can see how it would strongly relate - as it is not being paranoid - only acknowledges fact - but could very easily drive an individual past that line.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I agree with that.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13639) from South Burlington, VT 8 months ago

It may also represent an opportunity to split the vote, especially if Hillary runs. She would be expected to pull out women voters, many of whom wanted her instead of Obama in 2008.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

That is also very true. If Sanders runs as an Independent then he will not be in the major debates-if that is what we call them anymore.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

He should run as a Dem maybe? Better Him than those Blue Dogs in the Red States.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I think there is a price/penalty either way he plays it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Yep - But - this is the way I figure it. He has already stated on more than one occasion that he agrees more/most often with Dem agendas and has also condemned the Rep agendas - quite loudly.


He - I think - would be most welcome by the Dem's.

He could run his campaign through an established network as an independent Dem - publicly stating that this was because to run as an independent was to take a huge penalty in being able to be seen by most of the population - he could campaign for all who are like him in his stances whether they are independent green red blue whatever - but for the people and the true intent of the constitution above all else.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

Frankly, he is too good for the Dems. He has a backbone which they desperately need.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Absolutely TRUE - But perhaps he could inspire some backbone - show some of his chastising speeches on the Senate floor as the driving force of his campaign. Rouse the public.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

Good point.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

It would be so awesome to see those speeches go wide spread public release on a campaign - or just for their own merits.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

That I do agree with. Because they sure as hell would go viral.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

They really should. A world wide pandemic. This relates resonates all over the world. Not just pertaining to problems in the USA government but most all governments as well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34876) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

He would have my vote:

" Sanders said the next presidential campaign must include a candidate who’s willing to take on Wall Street and represent the interests of the poor and the shrinking middle class."

" The race also needs candidates who will oppose cuts to Social Security and Medicare and make global warming a top priority, Sanders said."

“Under normal times, it’s fine, you have a moderate Democrat running, a moderate Republican running,” Sanders said. “These are not normal times. The United States right now is in the middle of a severe crisis and you have to call it what it is.”


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Bernie Sanders considering 2016 White House bid to represent progressive causes | The Raw Story http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/18/bernie-sanders-considering-2016-white-house-bid-to-represent-progressive-causes/

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[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 8 months ago

Run Bernie Run!!

Perhaps Bernie running for POTUS will bring people out of the spell cast by Big $ that makes them hate and avoid the one thing that will save them and defeat the vicious tyranny of the greed-addled 1% of the 1%: Participating in Democracy ~ Voting!

And perhaps while Bernie is running people will listen when he gives his seal of approval to the many other good, decent, liberals, progressives, Dems, Socialists and independents.

Whatever it takes to wake people up from the contrived delusion that defeats us! 2010 Never EVER Again!!!

[-] 0 points by meanjogreen (7) 8 months ago

Sounds better than Hillary, but what "party" would he have behind him??

[-] 1 points by BirdsofaFeather (9) 8 months ago

Green or Independent Party would take him in a heartbeat.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

I got to be honest, after watching the Green Party online campaigners in action, I wouldn't touch that party with a 20 foot pole.

[-] -1 points by greenanarchosyndicalist (85) 8 months ago

A note about Bernie Sanders. He is an independent. NOT A DEMOCRAT.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17440) 8 months ago

You are correct. This is known.