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Posted 1 year ago on June 17, 2013, 9:04 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ
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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

OK, you like Hitlary Clinton - I get that !!! However one video link deserves another so I'm bumping your ''shameless plug'' with one my own on behalf of a really good guy who the Democratic Party got rid of :

And I'm defying a died in the wool Democrap voter like yourself, to not shed a tear over your lost prince.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by bensdad (7746) 4 days ago

If you want public healthcare, vote for people who support public healthcare and yes, that means voting for the Rs worst nightmare can you image where American healthcare would be today if we passed her plan in the 1990s ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

we still need public healthcare

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

If you want public healthcare, vote for people who support public healthcare
and yes, that means voting for the Rs worst nightmare
can you image where American healthcare would be today if we passed her plan in the 1990s

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I don't know

hilary's push for healthcare was a 1 year push with no results

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

the CRAPITALISTS fought against it with millions of dollars in PR
just like the willard campaign
just like the Iraq war lies
just like the anti-gay lies
just like the anti-choice lies

and millions of American lemmings who are to lazy to think * reason & learn

[-] -3 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Thats what we thought we were doing in 2008. Instead we got the Republican's alternative to Hillarycare. Total bust. Totally used us.

[-] 3 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz

Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 08:15 AM PDT

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.

 In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).

Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting:
 The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours.  No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.

SO: Health Care and every progressive thing else was sabotaged by the GOP/RepubliCons/1% as well!!!!!


[-] -2 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

There are no leaders here. Only paid hacks. In Congress and the internet. Everywhere.

This is just further proof that this entire system is garbage.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

As "garbage" as we let it be with our WORLD RECORD neglect.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

1 points by TikiJ (287) 5 minutes ago Your obsession with the Greens is strange. Perhaps the entire concept of parties is destructive? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

as I have have said before you know nothing of human nature....

but since you got here late, I'll toss you something, (you should go back and read some), it is like saying the sky is blue to say political parties are destructive, and it is just as useful to talk of changing the fact they exist.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I haven't even been active yet dropped 400 points over night guess people like me aren't welcome around here, it's such a shame really we could have done so much, but the ego is strong and in the end people care more about themselves and their ambitions than the country.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Not sure what has happened to your points but don't get too attached to these ultimately meaningless numbers and stop feeling so sorry for yourself. Of course you're welcome and you've been here a long time - it's just that you're a bit of a stuck record sometimes, lol. Further consider :

We can all reflect that - as ''a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?'' &

''It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.'' +

''The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.'' from your profile.

Further, we're both Paul Buchheit fans right ? So at least we can agree on THAT ! :-)

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Oh! And you're not "a stuck record"?

English, anti-American, anti-DEM, pro-anti... is all you espouse, with a few exceptions. Hardly deserving of criticism of F.

E Pluribus Unum


It’s that time of year — the long weekend when we gather with friends and family to celebrate hot dogs, potato salad and, yes, the founding of our nation. And it’s also a time for some of us to wax a bit philosophical, to wonder what, exactly, we’re celebrating. Is America in 2013, in any meaningful sense, the same country that declared independence in 1776?

The answer, I’d suggest, is yes. Despite everything, there is a thread of continuity in our national identity — reflected in institutions, ideas and, especially, in attitude — that remains unbroken. Above all, we are still, at root, a nation that believes in democracy, even if we don’t always act on that belief.

And that’s a remarkable thing when you bear in mind just how much the country has changed.

America in 1776 was a rural land, mainly composed of small farmers and, in the South, somewhat bigger farmers with slaves. And the free population consisted of, well, WASPs: almost all came from northwestern Europe, 65 percent came from Britain, and 98 percent were Protestants.

America today is nothing like that, even though some politicians — think Sarah Palin — like to talk as if the “real America” is still white, Protestant, and rural or small-town.

But the real America is, in fact, a nation of metropolitan areas, not small towns. Tellingly, even when Ms. Palin made her infamous remarks in 2008 she did so in Greensboro, N.C., which may not be in the Northeast Corridor but — with a metropolitan population of more than 700,000 — is hardly Mayberry. In fact, two-thirds of Americans live in metro areas with half-a-million or more residents.

Nor, by the way, are most of us living in leafy suburbs. America as a whole has only 87 people per square mile, but the average American, according to the Census Bureau, lives in a census tract with more than 5,000 people per square mile. For all the bashing of the Northeast Corridor as being somehow un-American, this means that the typical American lives in an environment that resembles greater Boston or greater Philadelphia more than it resembles Greensboro, let alone true small towns.

What do we do in these dense metropolitan areas? Almost none of us are farmers; few of us hunt; by and large, we sit in cubicles on weekdays and visit shopping malls on our days off.

And ethnically we are, of course, very different from the founders. Only a minority of today’s Americans are descended from the WASPs and slaves of 1776. The rest are the descendants of successive waves of immigration: first from Ireland and Germany, then from Southern and Eastern Europe, now from Latin America and Asia. We’re no longer an Anglo-Saxon nation; we’re only around half-Protestant; and we’re increasingly nonwhite.

Yet I would maintain that we are still the same country that declared independence all those years ago.

It’s not just that we have maintained continuity of legal government, although that’s not a small thing. The current government of France is, strictly speaking, the Fifth Republic; we had our anti-monarchical revolution first, yet we’re still on Republic No. 1, which actually makes our government one of the oldest in the world.

More important, however, is the enduring hold on our nation of the democratic ideal, the notion that “all men are created equal” — all men, not just men from certain ethnic groups or from aristocratic families. And to this day — or so it seems to me, and I’ve done a lot of traveling in my time — America remains uniquely democratic in its mannerisms, in the way people from different classes interact.

Of course, our democratic ideal has always been accompanied by enormous hypocrisy, starting with the many founding fathers who espoused the rights of man, then went back to enjoying the fruits of slave labor. Today’s America is a place where everyone claims to support equality of opportunity, yet we are, objectively, the most class-ridden nation in the Western world — the country where children of the wealthy are most likely to inherit their parents’ status. It’s also a place where everyone celebrates the right to vote, yet many politicians work hard to disenfranchise the poor and nonwhite.

But that very hypocrisy is, in a way, a good sign. The wealthy may defend their privileges, but given the temper of America, they have to pretend that they’re doing no such thing. The block-the-vote people know what they’re doing, but they also know that they mustn’t say it in so many words. In effect, both groups know that the nation will view them as un-American unless they pay at least lip service to democratic ideals — and in that fact lies the hope of redemption.

So, yes, we are still, in a deep sense, the nation that declared independence and, more important, declared that all men have rights. Let’s all raise our hot dogs in salute.

And Unite and Win!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Do you remember what I was saying about how the right equates freedom with money then attacks any attempt to limit the power of money by saying it attacks freedom, well read this and watch the Koch bros video at the end...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Bumpage for your ''shameless plug'' and to follow your good link :

I'm beginning to wonder if you ever click on my links and as that disgusting fkn Koch says : ''We want to do a better job of raising up the disadvantaged and the poorest in this country, rather than saying ‘Oh, we’re just fine now.’ We’re not saying that at all. What we’re saying is, we need to analyze all these additional policies, these subsidies, this cronyism, this avalanche of regulations, all these things that are creating a culture of dependency. And like permitting, to start a business, in many cities, to drive a taxicab, to become a hairdresser. Anything that people with limited capital can do to raise themselves up, they keep throwing obstacles in their way. And so we’ve got to clear those out. Or the minimum wage. Or anything that reduces the mobility of labor.'' - now do you imagine that the wholly Corporate Controlled Democraps, who are also so in thrall to Crapitalism, are really going to fight this b-s like a true Labor Based Party would ?

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How do you imagine that the GOP will implement better policies when they are in office?

That being the certain outcome if you attack the Ds, until such time that you can present me with a link that explains how the GOP is better on a certain issue or how you actually intent to defeat at the polls, you have done nothing, I think the time to act is NOW and that action must be done with the real weapons that are at hand, and those that dream of being in charge vise vie their own political party are the very worst, ego driven bunch of all, worst even than the GOP. I may sound harsh, but the one who taught me was much more harsh when telling people the truth, but we were asking for it.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

"vie their own political party are the very worst, ego driven bunch of all, worst even than the GOP. "

Your views become more and more hateful of pure democracy and the people the longer this goes on.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and your intend to co-opt OWS should be clear to all by now....it doesn't matter really if you succeed OWS will be as dead as Ralph Nader, so no real harm done, nobody was talking about wealth inequality and 1% ran everything before so all it means is the OWS has done nothing....

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago


Occupy doesnt back political parties, it's job is to expose the corruption in ALL of them.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

here I don't think you've seen this, oh and I thought OWS was about getting something done....

Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,

It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.

As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,

To keep the planet we’re on from getting, too damn hot.

But Nader thought better his name should be heard.

And Gore was left standing with only his word.

Ten times ten thousand thought Gore couldn’t lose

And a statement was needed to make the world choose

Are we to be puppets and dance on a string?

Or will we be spirits and let our hearts sing?

December reality came crashing in

The court has decided that Bush got the win.

Where was the outrage where were the cries?

Believers were muted they bought all the lies

How could they scream, how could they roar?

When even their ballots weren’t marked for Al Gore?

The Court burned the votes on that day

So it would be safe for the Royals to play.

Tax cuts are sweet

We love all the meat

But Bush had a fear

What if folks start to hear?

An appointment or two

And I give you C-U.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

You act as if repealing Glass Steagall, sending all the jobs overseas, and bombing Iraq three times wouldnt have led to the same mess.

How you managed to turn Gore from the lackey he is into this brave soul who would have made a stand against the establishment is beyond me.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

start here

So what you are saying is you think Bush did a better job than Gore would have?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you, shad,z BW, and a few others find NO corruption in the GOP I guess, at least none worth talking about, odd it doesn't seem that hard to find to me, seems you bunch are letting OWS down quit a bit... too bad really, of course when you lie your lies are designed for one outcome that of building your own party in your case the Green Party, you work for the very worst of the bunch...

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

I believe the GOP is filled with corruption.

I dont believe Occupy wants to be involved with any political party.

It's you, as that link I posted, that is actively attempting to co-opt. Good luck.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

oh do you? yet you never seem to find any time to talk about it, oh well I guess you're busy...bashing Obama...

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

'Cause the mthrfkr has had 6 years already and has done WHAT exactly ?!!! You are a total fkn nut job - 'cause being a Hitlary Clinton loving Democrap in Replicunt Arizona has you all befuddled and perplexed as to the difference in location between your ass and your elbow !! Here now, go get a fkn clue, will ya ?!

Obummer - Obomber the Oblahblah has turned out to be all hat and no cattle !!! So how did a one term senator, come from out of the fkn blue to be El Pres of The U$A then ?!! Let's get outlandish shall we ?! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35505.htm even though I'm beginning to think he's a long term Agency Asset [ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29234.htm ] - pretty much just like his predecessor GWB, who is a clear scion of The Deep State Oligarchy !! 'Blazing Saddles' anyone ?!!!

e tenebris ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

maybe someday you will see past your own huge EGO and see what the Bush administration did and realize it didn't have to be that way, how many more Bushes will we have because of people like you? Who refuse to set aside your EGO and do the right thing for once.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

I'd rather say I dont like parties in general than to roll with a bunch of war criminals and monsanto lovers and bailouts and wall st cronies.

Good luck with that. I'm sure your lone vote for those people in a couple years is really going to rock the world.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Are you just trying to prove my point?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

You fucking GOP loving SOB.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Above & below, thanx for further confirmation of your inability see past your duopoly delusion and your Demoblican / Republocrat fixation. So, with my last bump of your forum-post - I append for you here :

vale ...

[-] -3 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago


[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

"The enemy of of my enemy is my friend"

you guys are all great friends of the GOP

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

The Green Party Rap

I’m living the pure life, crystal clean

I’m not even human I’m a new machine

Me and Jesus just one and same

We’re so pure you can’t say our name

All them other’s living in that world

Grabbing up the cash like a hungry squirrel

Well they’re all nasty, ugly, and mean

I’m the one you got to believe

Look at me, my shit don’t stink

And all my gums are a perfect pink

I tell you what! You can’t go wrong.

Just do as I say and I’ll bring you along.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I don't like your political party because I want my own political party is a pretty bullshit argument.

You are worst than any Republican or Democratic because your ego towers above all the rest.

[-] -3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Articulate already. It's not that difficult.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Obama deserves to be bashed. He's a warmongering traitor to the American people. He's reneged on just about every promise he made during his campaigns, which makes him just another lying p.o.s. politician.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

keep doing what you're doing and you can look forward to many more Bushwacks, there is a way but people like you with heads up their butts smelling their crap and thinking it's great that prevents any real change, if you think I put my "trust" into anyone you haven't been paying attention, it is only in the narrow minds of fools like you that says because you work like hell to elect somebody that you like them, I use a hammer to drive down a nail, i need not like the hammer to do so, it is merely a tool, the Ds serve as a tool to keep the GOP from making things worse, till we can get this thing turned around, people like you just elect Republicans, I guess you more to bitch about that way.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

" the Ds serve as a tool to keep the GOP from making things worse, till we can get this thing turned around"

What a pathetic view of self governance.

"Until"... when?

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

And keep doing what your doing, facts. Electing people like Obama and Clinton and then boasting "Hey, at least I kept the Republican out." Hahahah, what a fucking joke. If enough of you morons would get off that bandwagon, then maybe, just maybe, we could finally get shit done.

I guess you'll be voting for Hillary in 2016, right? I guess you think eight years with that evil bitch in the big seat will finally turn things around. My god man, WTF is wrong with you people?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

What is really sad is that you could have ever seen Jill speak and still thought she was up to the job, it is the poor judgement of the America people that got us in this mess, and will most likely keep us there.

Voting is an action not a message your actions help elect Republicans if you're good with that, well, that pretty much explains why we're in this mess.

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I was going to vote for Rocky but he wasn't on the ballot.

Keep sucking on the hind teet of that dead cow, facts. It's brainwashed dumb fucks like you that are the reason we're in this mess. Keep voting for 'heroes' like Clinton and Obama. Because obviously they've helped out the little guy immensely.

I mean, are you really that blind that you can't see Obama's been Bush 2.0? Or are you just that fucking stupid?

Oh, riiiight, it was the Republican's fault Obama sold out. My mistake there, buddy.

[-] -3 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Paid per post or paid per word?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It's a fair question there is a thing called reality, in that world it was Obama or Romney which would you pick?

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

If there had been only those two choices, I'd have stayed home. But there you go, facts, that should be enough ammo for you. I anxiously await you screed about how much irreparable damage I did voting for Jill.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I am sure you would have much preferred Romney which of the GOP policies do you like the best? Their constant tax cutting for the rich or their constant war mongering?

Or are you just another dreamer that thinks we got all the time in the world to do something?

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You really don't follow people's comments on here very well, do you, facts?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 12 months ago

and I guess you'll be voting for Bush, or you might as well be....

[-] -2 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 12 months ago

Whatever you say, facts. Yeah sure, I'll be voting for Bush. I just love those crazy guys.


[-] -2 points by gameon (-51) 1 year ago

my comment on your post was sarcasm. you didnt say anything that is racist. whnever anyone criticizes obama, the repsonse never has anything to with the criticism it is generally that the criticizer is " racist".

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Ah, I see. It's hard to tell sarcasm on line, isn't it? And I was going to ask you what "s/o" meant. Maybe that would have helped.

So, what does "s/o" mean?

[+] -4 points by gameon (-51) 1 year ago

thats racist .s/o

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (5783) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

What's racist?

[-] -1 points by beautifulworld (21290) 1 year ago

I have never voted for a single Republican in my life. I think what they stand for is all wrong. However, I've been voting Democratic and nothing seems to get better. Democrats don't seem to stand for much these days. They have their hand in the pot the same way the Republicans do. In fact, they are maybe worse, because they talk the good talk and then never follow through, far more specious, you could say. They also seem much more fearful, afraid of rocking the boat, so to speak, so they get nothing done and sit and quake on the sidelines. So, don't go telling me who I think is corrupt. They are all corrupt. You are the misguided one. You are the one who doesn't understand what a revolution is. You think a global revolution will be brought about by supporting the status quo. Are you serious?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Nothing seems to get done? Did you know that the budget was balanced in 2000? Did you know that real wages were raising in the 2000's? You do know that had Gore gotten full support from the real left he would have continued those policies and wages would be much higher today, and we would be addressing climate change. The world is not prefect but elections have consequences.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3297) 1 year ago

Hey bw, glad to see that you're posting a little more again.

I'm on mainly in the evenings, so I may just have missed them, but it felt like you were posting less and less for a while at a time when we're losing some regulars...and it was worrisome. You, of all people personify what the people of this world need, and what OWS & this forum need, a 'beautifulworld'. :-)

I miss 'jrhirsch' as well, and 'quantumystic' too. Hopefully they're just away briefly and will join OWS again in the fight against TPTB, and advocate for dignity for all of our fellow human beings.

The forum goes through 'growing pains' at times, and I think we're in such a phase right now, with incessant down-votes and decorum problems. But, we'll get through it like any other growing pains we have had in the past, and come out with a COMMUNITY that encourages empathy and fairness for ALL.

Great to see your posts again!

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21290) 1 year ago

Thanks, Renneye. You're very sweet. Mainly, I'm just busy, but I am not exactly thrilled with the "Occupy Cabal" that the forum is listed as nowadays. It kind of belittles what we do here and I don't find it funny.

I will never give up on the 99%, though, as I know you won't either. So, regardless of who runs things here, and how they run things, I will keep posting and saying what I believe, because, in the end, this movement has changed the dialog in this country and the seeds we planted, though they may take a while to blossom, will eventually do just that.

And, how about trevornemonic? Where did he go?

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3297) 1 year ago

Well thanks, 'bw'. You're quite cherished, yourself...not to mention esteemed.

I hear you loud and clear regarding the "Occupy Cabal" label. I was thinking about it again last night. It was supposedly a joke. Isn't the joke over?! Why is it still there? It's also made it harder to log on and off from this page, and newcomers get put off by 'inconveniences' not to mention 'unprofessionalism'.

'Trevornemonic' indeed! And other good posters too. I'll usually send a PM to regulars that I haven't seen in a while, and invite them back to the discussion. Sometimes that's all it takes, if someone has just become discouraged about the forum or the state of current affairs. It helps if they know that their contributions are appreciated and missed. We've all been there, I think.

Solidarity, beautifulworld!

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21290) 1 year ago

I have PMd Trevor, and heard nothing back, because I do the same thing, Renneye. We have to stick together. I wonder what happened to him?

Thanks for all your kind words. You are cherished, too. The forum wouldn't be the same without you. Solidarity always.

[+] -4 points by bostongary (-7) 1 year ago

You cannot change the world by posting on this forum. Join the Occupy Political Party: http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-occupy-political-party/

[-] -3 points by bostongary (-7) 1 year ago

The Democrats are a right wing party. Vote left wing. Vote for the Occupy Political Party. http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-occupy-political-party/

[-] -3 points by beautifulworld (21290) 1 year ago

That domain name, occupyparty.org is for sale. Good try.

[-] 0 points by bostongary (-7) 1 year ago

Yes, Brooke has not changed the parked site since we purchased the domain. We have already contacted Brooke. Our site will be up in a few days so they have not bothered changing it. If you try to purchase the domain you will not be able to. You can see our ownership credentials with a whois search. Thank you for looking into this.

We will make an official site announcement on this forum.

[-] 0 points by bostongary (-7) 1 year ago

No, we own it.

You can check domains here: https://secure.dotster.com/register/registration.bml?flowid=21&dom_lookup=occupyparty.org

We have the .org, .com, and .us. We don't know who has the others.


[-] -1 points by beautifulworld (21290) 1 year ago

No, it's for sale:


The domain OccupyParty.org is for sale. To purchase, call Brooke at DomainNameSales at 1-800-818-1828 or direct 480-389-3813. Click here for more details.

You better call Brooke.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Pretending like it's OK for the GOP to be in office, like Nader did in 2000 is killing us. Until we all agree on that the 1% will keep winning, as you can see the 1% has restored their control over the media message hardly do we ever hear about wealth inequity and if we do hear from a OWS founder/supporter it's about some other subject, in spite of the fact, that with virtually no coverage more than 50% of Americans feel it's a big deal, can you imagine if OWS stopped this Obama bashing and turned their guns on the enemy instead?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Specious crap !!! The only ''pretending'' here is yours - that The Democraps somehow are not a 0.01% Corporate Controlled 'party' !! OWS would NOT be doing it's job unless it fkn bashed Obomber The Oblah-blah often - even if that's Obummer for u 'frf' !

Re. your question below : ''How do you imagine that the GOP will implement better policies when they are in office?'' - I know that it's hot out there right now but has the sun cooked your brain ?! The GOP are completely beyond the pale & The Democrap Party Machine - especially in The Whitehouse and on The Hill (as opposed to increasingly desperate Dem Voters, NB !!) - barely less so !!! You're a Dem addict with a short attention span, unable to see past the next election cycle and still fighting Gore v Bush !! The thing about trying to move forward whilst constantly looking backwards is that invariably you'll fall and keep landing on your ass !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Could you tell me please why do you work so hard to elect the GOP?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Your disgusting comment is noted and will be remembered ! Not the stupid one to me above !! No, this one - http://occupywallst.org/forum/benghazi-shameless-plug-for-my-channel/#comment-987192 !!!

  • ''[-] 0 points by factsrfun (10000) from Phoenix, AZ 14 minutes ago ------ and your intend to co-opt OWS should be clear to all by now....it doesn't matter really if you succeed OWS will be as dead as Ralph Nader, so no real harm done, nobody was talking about wealth inequality and 1% ran everything before so all it means is the OWS has done nothing ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

That you are simply a reactionary, status-quo loving, mere right-wing Democrap partisan and with more in common with The Republicunts than u know, is summed up right there and YOU 'frf' are THE real co-opter in chief on this forum !!!

You've flown under the radar for long enough and despite my better judgement, I've tried to engage you however, you are hung on your own petard and irredeemably self-exposed for the incorrigible Dem-Shill that you now so clearly are !!

Now please feel free and don't hesitate to share with us here your real views re. the Trayvon Martin case ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/benghazi-shameless-plug-for-my-channel/#comment-987195 ) but please don't be under ANY illusions about the true & deep nature of your beloved 'Demoblican/Republocrat' One Party/Two Factions System !

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

God, the 1% just love people like you....

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

You're looking in a mirror talking to yourself, when you say that - so subconscious self-awareness & a bi-polar disorder and projection and transference, is progress of sorts but I'm here to tell you that your 'factsRfukt' and your head's so far up your ass that you can't help but talk shit & also fyi in case u look :

multum in parvo ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Without people like you the GOP would never win an election....

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

The establishment of the Democratic party want the GOP to win some elections. Understanding that will be key for your enlightenment. It is important to both sides that there is the other side to blame.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the proven failure is voting for third parties, 1980, 1993, 2000, 2004...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I see from the clock on your profile you haven't been thinking about these things very long maybe in time you will gain some understanding, who knows.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (706) 21 hours ago Your scenario is impossible because the control of the media would not allow what you desire, in addition to the fact that both sides will protect the status quo. We have to kill the current system, to do so will require that we all form a united team against the current system. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

You are ego driven, your desire is for your own glory, you care nothing for the people, your agenda is obvious, on one hand you say we are too small to kill the GOP on the other you say we are so large we can take it all down, your real goal is your own control.

We can do nothing but tell the truth we may be few in number but a single candle can light a room, the truth is powerful, you and the other Green Party hacks come here to tell your useful lie that there is no real difference when the truth is there are huge differences, it is that central but useful lie that poisons all you do.

[-] -2 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Your obsession with the Greens is strange.

Perhaps the entire concept of parties is destructive?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So all is lost, there is no hope? They won't allow change. oh well, I disagree i think if we commit ourselves to truth it is possible, truth is very powerful.

[+] -4 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

There is hope. It's just that your method of voting for Democrats has been a proven failure. The entire two party system is set up for gridlock, easy lobbying, and blame shifting.

Read this:


If you want to work within the system, I suggest you start getting local people together and run them on the national stage. Shake the system.

Waiting 4 years for the corporations to choose you new masters is a pathetic view of self governance.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I see down below you, like all before you to want to have it both ways on one hand you claim we can grow so large as to kill them both, but in your opinion there is no way to grow large enough to kill one. Your logic is flawed. The truth is we can affect the debate on the margins enough to revel just how committed the GOP is to increasing the wealth of the wealthy. In times like this people could be turned against them in huge numbers, then the Ds would be split wide open before they knew what was happening.

[-] -1 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

Your scenario is impossible because the control of the media would not allow what you desire, in addition to the fact that both sides will protect the status quo.

We have to kill the current system, to do so will require that we all form a united team against the current system.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are half way there, you see the path that is actually available to us is to knock out one of the legs to the ladder of power and by doing so knocking the whole thing down, but that path does not feed the egos of the Greens and others who would be King...

if we move now we can destroy the power center but those that would rather back bite and bicker for their selfish reasons don't want that...

[-] -1 points by windyacres (1002) 1 year ago

The path you advocate is hopeless because neither will allow one of the legs to be knocked down. You are playing the game exactly the way they want you to play. We will get more of the same.

[-] 1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

You mean we can't redeem our posting points for something?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 year ago

Nope but there is a 'redemption' of sorts here & I defy you to maintain a dry eye throughout :

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 1 points by OccupyNews (1183) 3 weeks ago

Fox News fails to mention two important facts. The U.S. is allowed to issue disinformation regarding a terrorist attack to demoralize the terroists. Fox's wet dream that Hillary Clinton gets on the air and truthfully states everything that happened so Fox's funders can make billions more on more wars is outrageous.

On top of that, 22 veterans commit suicide EVERYDAY in the U.S. and Fox would rather blather on about Benghazi day after day after day. I hate those arseholes.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

As wealth inequality grows so does the partisan divide it is not disconnected. It’s required for the supporters of "the rich should be richer" party to be ever more extreme as the conditions become ever more extreme.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (77) 3 weeks ago

good to see your face

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

I intented to keep these up each gets a little better on the tech side, but then I got a job and it started taking all my time, the flim work on "Money rap" was delibrate, let's call it artistic choice i just have to keep telling myself it doesn't matter if it's good, it matters that you do it (when it comes to art)



[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

shadz stop by let's do a little "tit for tat" if you throw up some shit if you like let's see how you do.


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 months ago

I think that I've seen them all actually factsy but I will re-check later !!! It is only because you look and sound a little like my Dad {RiP} that I have a wee soft spot for your bellicose moderation !! Remember mate, that today's moderate 'Middle Of The Road' .. is just tomorrow's 'Road Kill' & scavenger lunch !

Got things to do now factsy, so I'll leave you & the LoonDog to your 'MOR' DNC ramblings.

vale ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

so what do you think is "moderate" about my positions, and please share some of yours..so we can see how moderate they are, where do you stand on this wealth thing anyway? we know you hate Democrates but we know nothing else about you

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

so you're like 5 years old? that explains the "factsy" childish shit, ever write anything yourself or are you only allowed to share links and copy others? they don't trust you with a pen of your own?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 months ago

Huh re. ''childish'' ?!!! Were you insulted by ''factsy'' - factsy ?!! So sowwy !

It appears that a recent reply of mine is also rather apt to your b-s, above !!

Furthermore, I tried to engage u fairly & honestly on your other thread too :

but frankly your cantankerous, contrary & curmudgeonly nature, precludes any further effort on my part.

Do consider my reply as also wholly applicable to your other rather needy, attention seeking response :

My oh my, you parDy hacks and parDisans really are rather cranky !!! Mid-term mania ?!! Sheeeeesh !

nosce te ipsum et vale ...

[+] -4 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

you call this effort? you're lazy as well as blind, all you ever do is post links to this and that if you got something to say spit it out, you are just a shameless political hack trying to take the energy from OWS to build your own party full of another bunch of power hungry ego driven fools like Nader.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 months ago

Yawwwwn !!! Again, see above factsy !! Sorry I bumped your post but I gotta go - got work to do !

Hmm, ''shameless political hack'' ?!!! Me ?!! You will need to get a mirror - to actually find one imo !!!

My reply @ u b4 : https://occupywallst.org/forum/have-you-been-to-bunkerville/#comment-1031213 !!!!

temet nosce ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

no no say it isn't SO

(more links)

you are lazy as hell

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 months ago

Right factsrfukt ! I am ''lazy'' !! And you're extremely in love with the sounds of the different voices in the echo chamber of your own so called 'mind' - so what are you .. the world's only surviving brain-donor ?!!!

nosece te ipsum ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

I do wonder have you ever posted a single word on wealth inequality. Hating Dems is all you ever do trying your best to grab a few followers for political party so you too can be a deal maker, you are pathetic.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 months ago

The meanness of your mind .. fits really well with the smallness of your spirit doesn't it ?!!!!

Who-tf has made you an authority on my postings and clearly you can not search either !!!

I don't ''hate'' Dem voters - and all my friends & relatives stateside - vote that way for sure !!

Dem Pols On The Hill are of course another kind of creature altogether but you love them !

But of course there's no reasoning with u is there factsRfractious as you know everything ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

now who would 'remove" one of your comments shadz? It is funny as hell reading you telling someone they are being "mean" what do they say about pots, and kettles and blackness? But anyway go ahead and reason with me about how it was good for Nader to put his name on the ballot in FL and ensure the Bush victory which led to the CU ruling and the Iraq War reason with me about how that was good for America...go ahead.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 month ago

Are you still bleating about Nader ?!!! But not a word - EVER, about the stolen votes, negated votes, the constitutional gerrymandering OR, Gore folding his hand and not going to the courts in order to maintain the illusion of deMOCKERYcy in The U$A - because 0.01% Patrician WASP that he was/is ... he knew what was important for him & his class !! You're a stuck record on this matter but here is the salient link from both of my previous 'removed' comments and do see if you can work out why they were ''removed'' !

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

Do you see anyone on the site promoting stealing votes? As you always say about the GOP why talk about what no ones promotes the problem with Nader is that there are still idoits like you here saying people should do that again, that a third party is something besides a gift to the GOP.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17618) 3 weeks ago

Are you saying 'Dem Party Pols On The Hill' are the answer to OWS & The 99% Struggle ?!!! C'mon frf - just be out and clear, once and for all, will ya, please, lol ?!! Do you have an attention span longer thn 1, 2, 3 or even 4 election cycles, OR d'u just keep knee jerk reacting to the next contrived (s)election faux contest ?! My £/$ is on Hitlary btw, but d'you think that she'll move The 99% Struggle forward one iota - when she's actually a wholly owned created creature of the 1% & puppet of The 0.01% Parasite Class ?

Sure 'Kill The GOP' (as if that were possible!!) BUT never doubt The Conservative Nature of Dem Pols !

Have I helped bump your ''shameless plug for your channel'' enough now, or do you need some more ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

ahh shadz you are such a defeatist, of course it is possible to kill the GOP have you not read any of my posts? We just have to point out what they are and kick ego driven shitheads like Nader in the ass.

[-] -1 points by flip (5207) 3 weeks ago

i have had too many of these discussions - they go nowhere. i feel your pain. i do think the name is correct here since facts are not things to use to bolster your argument but things to have fun with! after all nader has done this is the one thing they beat him up about. in addition to what you said about gore there is this - he was a straight forward extension of slick willie. that would be the guy who said he would help the poor and middle class and then did just the opposite - sound familiar? clinton ended welfare as we know it - raised taxes on the middle class - destroyed yugoslavia - bombed the world - took credit for 500,000 children shitting themselves to death in iraq - and drove brooksley born out of government and ended glass steagel - should i go on??

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

oh was I too mean in attacking those trying to destory the movement?


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 2 weeks ago

IF ''defeatist'' applied in any way to me, then I would not be here - would I ?! A rump 10,15,20% of those militarist, nationalistic, right wing MSM programmed USers will vote Repugnant no mater what you, I or we say !! Your aspirations to a One Faction ; One 'Bankster / Mic' Party .. rather than the present Two Faction ; One - 'War / Empire / Austerity' PaRDy is duly noted .. again !!!

Here's what we're all up against Mr. Short Term Realist / Long Term Deluded : ''The destruction that the US oligarchs have wrought in the Middle East, with all of its terrible human consequences, is the external manifestation of their destructive role within the US itself.'' from :

Think of your Repugnant voting neighbours there in AZ and then look past them & beyond just 2,3 or 4 election cycles. The pressing reasons for the birth of OWS have not diminished or changed one iota ... they are even more profound and urgent. It's The 99% Struggle in The U$A & elsewhere - not just a 1% organised attempt at demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy and more of the same but with a few more crumbs from The 0.01% Parasite Class table !!! Fk thAt !! Because THAT would actually be ''defeatist'', right ?!

& btw GOOD LUCK USA IN THE WORLD CUP v BELGIUM --- 4pm EST Kick Off 1st July, 2014 !!! +

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 week ago

You are here because you are driven by your ego, if you wanted to help America or OWS to stem the rise of inequality you would work to defeat the GOP, you work to feed your ego.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17618) 1 week ago

You duopoly deluded numbskull !!! Bleating ''Kill The GOP'' in a right wing nut controlled country where 10%+ of people will always vote for The Repugnants .. is NOT a political (never-fkn-mind 'revolutionary') strategy - you nincompoop !! Stick to planning your hotel, so that you can collect some 1%ers' dollars and maybe even a few crumbs from the 0.01%s' table & keep dreaming of sucking Hitlary's Neoliberal, Neocon cock, mthrfkr !

I'm seriously wondering whyTF I keep bothering to bump your posts - but I keep doing it all the same - oh, I know - it must be my ego, lol. Solidarity @ The 99% & to hell with The 0.01%, their 1% lackeys and their wannabe lickspittles - wherever they may be.. in AZ or elsewhere.

fiat lux et fiat justitia ; nunc et semper ; hic et ubique ...



[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

great video
I especially liked how you tied so many things together so briefly I look forward to the next one

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

There are four so far, don't think I'll post about Zimmerman might get thrown in jail.


oh and thanks I was surprised how much got fit into about a minute in this first one


[-] 0 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

The mature approach for republican politicians to have taken would have been to talk to the administration behind closed doors and figure out what could have been done differently to prevent the outcome that did occur, and implement that plan of action in the future.

Republican politicians are confused about coverups. They think that since the WaterGate cover-up resulted in the impeachment of a Republican president, that all cover-ups are both illegal and impeachable acts.

This is a patently ridiculous position to take by Republican politicians.


[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

the republican party is gone... they sold out to koch's tea party.... they signed allegiance to them... what ever they say goes... the republican party is done

[-] -1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

The same could be said about the democrat party when they sold out to George Soros.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

George Soros? WTF? What the hell is this? Are we lining up behind warring Royal Families?

The real point is the rich are too damn rich!

[-] -2 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

I'm just pointing out that the real political destruction in the U.S. comes from the decimation of the moderates. Koch bros equal neo cons, Soros equals progressives.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Soros has virtually no influence over the Democratic Party so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Now Kock and Murdock over the GOP that's a different story, facts are facts. So when you lead off with such an obviously flawed statement it is a little difficult to see where you are coming from.

However you touch on an actual issue, so what the hell might as well explain it here as anywhere.

You see the rich have been winning, now it's getting really tough hide just how well off they are compared to the rest of us peasants. This is best understood by considering a couple of trivial tidbits. Last night I was watching an episode of Shark Tank (one of my very favorite shows) a couple of ladies were there pitching a company that sells bedroom stuff for girls, bedding and such, when the sharks discovered that the full room ran around $1400 and the average orders ran $800 to $1200 they were all saying it's way too much for kids room. Now a few years back my Lady and I were walking by a Nordstom's when she saw a cute top, and said I'm going in to try that on. Now I have a broad economic background so i thought to myself this should be fun. To cut to the chase as she was trying it on she discovered it was $600 that was a bit of a shock, (to her), I was somewhat aware of Nordstrom. My point here that Nordstrom is doing pretty well I think and for folks that shop there $1400 on a kids room is like buying a top and skirt to go with it and the sharks are well aware of this, but sitting there in front of millions of peasants watching on the TV, well the Royals don't want to say it out loud.

You may be trying to figure out what has this got to do with the loss of moderates, well here it is, the GOP exist only to defend the economic interest of these rich people as these people got filthy rich they needed to find other reasons for folks to vote for them and all the folks paying attention can see what evil bastards they are so they reach out to those that hate mostly and so we end up with a party devoted to the ultra rich and filled with hateful people. As the economic conditions get more dire the interest of the majority become a source of fear for those in control, so even the most common sense things like America matching at least Italy when it comes to health care are painted as liberal overreach we are at the bottom of the modern pile when it comes to standard of living and life span but we spend more than the next ten put together on war. America is in the grips of Monarchy with the Royal Class building a fearsome army while the people of the land go homeless and hungry all the while we point a figure at North Korea and tell the world "Look we're not the worst!"

[-] -1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

Soros totally runs the democrat party. Soros>Huffington Post>MSNBC....then those sources permeate Newsweek, Time, The Atlantic, who in turn influence late night talk shows immensely.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

pearls before swine

[-] -1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 11 months ago

lol, Huffington wrote a book called "Pigs at the Trough".

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

What has Soros got to do with Huffington or MSNBC?

Is it really just knowing stuff that you're against? It seems you think anybody that's not reading off the GOP talking points list is in some kind of cabal I think you have stumbled on a little known fact, the truth is very liberal what I mean is that given the condition of the world today anybody who tells the truth is going to sound like a liberal (because the right lies so much they own that) but that's just because the rich have been winning so much and so often, it's got nothing to do with anybody pulling anybody's strings. don't get me wrong they all fall way short, that's why I started my YouTube channel, to get more truth out there:



[-] 0 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

Is it so difficult for you to understand that Koch brothers manipulates the republican party AND George Soros mainpulates the democrat progressive wing party?

You are corresponding with the guy who studied this stuff back during the 2008 democrat nomination process. Soros and Arianna Huffington go back well over a decade. Soros and Huffington appeared on the same Charlie Rose show hawking their own books well over a decade ago. Soros and Huffington ran the Shadow Government conventions in 2000 and 2004. MSNBC is hooked into Huffington Post and Soros as well. It was SOOOOOO OBVIOUS how quickly everyone in the progressive media abandoned Hillary Clinton and glommed onto Obama even when Hillary Clinton still had more delegates.

First the argument was that Hillary Clinton should not win the nomination because she had more super delegates, because that would be racist. Then suddenly when Hillary Clinton was winning 61% of the total democrat vote over the final 10 weeks of the race, but the super delegates had been convinced to switch to Obama, the argument was that Obama better win because he had the super delegates.

It's really sad that you have no knowledge of this.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

influencing elections outcomes is what folks do, that's a world of difference than the policy effects seen in the Murdock-FOX-Koch Bros-GOP alignment,

The person I'm corresponding with is a political hack here to co-opt OWS for the Green Party so he will tell any lie to support that end, serious discourse with such people only encourages them and confuses others who do not understand their intent, evidence of this is obvious in that it is intellectually impossible to at the same time have such detailed and reason understanding of politics while at the same time being ignorant of the affects a Nader and green Party endorsement would have had on the Gore campaign.

[-] 0 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 11 months ago

Yes, it was strange to see the GOP appear to have less influence on their presidential candidate (McCain had 1% approval one year before the presidential election) than the democrat party and media has over their candidate.

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

Loyd Blankfein and Bernake are just puppets as well. But whoever is the shadow that runs them is the shadow that runs the D/R power structure.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure it's Lex Luther.


[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

You better hope there is a shadow, because if this is how our elected leaders really feel on these issues and there is no unknown pressure on them, then we elect the sickest bunch of people on the planet every election, so whats that say about us?!


[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you know nothing of human nature, or on the other hand you are what you appear to be a Green Party asshole looking for glory....

[-] -2 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

"you know nothing of human nature"

That would be a very interesting topic to expand upon. I think I agree with you on where you are going with it.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8751) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I understand you just got here but I've been through this extensively over the past year.

[-] -3 points by TikiJ (-38) 1 year ago

It's easy to ramble on and on for unlimited pages.

Much harder to sum something up in one-two sentences.

[-] -1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

Excellent conclusion, Tiki J.

[-] 0 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 1 year ago

lol, as in Shadow government conventions, which were run by Arianna Huffington in 2000 and 2004 and FUNDED by George Soros.

[-] -3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Patently ridiculous and Republican seem to go hand in hand these days.

[+] -5 points by benjie (-13) 1 year ago

If Alinsky has his way and he sure seems to be these days.

[+] -4 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

If you take pay-offs or even buy a little stock you lose credibilty in the push for single payer.

[+] -5 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

There's only one person who could defeat Hillary in a dem primary- Tammy Baldwin. It doesn't look like she'll run at this point. The mafia princess Hillary will be the new president in 2016 if she runs. If not, it will be the GOP due to lack of voter interest.