Forum Post: Author of "American Sniper" Chris Kyle shot to death: reports
Posted 11 years ago on Feb. 3, 2013, 2:10 a.m. EST by quantumystic
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Chris Kyle, the former U.S. Navy SEAL sniper who was responsible for 160 kills during his career as U.S. Navy SEAL sniper, was shot and killed with another man at a gun range on Saturday, the co-author of Kyle's book said. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/03/us-usa-crime-sniper-idUSBRE91202K20130203
He was a piece of shit responsible for at least 160 murders. I find it funny and ironic he died by the gun. Especially after he advocated arming teachers in the wake of newton. POS rot in hell.
Ron Paul's puzzling critique of murdered SEAL Chris Kyle
By Peter Weber | The Week – 11 hrs ago.. .
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-puzzling-critique-murdered-seal-chris-kyle-072000026.html
In 140 characters, the newly retired congressman reminds us why he — and maybe his son — won't top the GOP presidential ticket
When news started spreading that Chris Kyle, a former SEAL and author of the best-selling autobiography American Sniper, was shot dead with a friend over the weekend — allegedly at the hands of a PTSD-suffering former Marine he was trying to help by taking him shooting at a hunting range — conservatives were incensed over the callous tweets of "some on the anti-gun Left." And then this happened:
Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013 And just like that, the three-time Republican presidential candidate's tenuous coalition of pro-gun libertarians, anti–Federal Reserve goldbugs, and foreign policy non-interventionists crumbled. Paul is an opponent of gun control — saying after December's Newtown, Conn., grade school massacre that "more guns equals less crime" and that "private gun ownership prevents many shootings" — but also of U.S. military adventurism. Kyle, also an outspoken gun-rights advocate, earned a reputation in Iraq as one of the deadliest snipers in U.S. military history. With Twitter erupting in outrage over his comment, Paul took to Facebook to explain himself:
As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle's family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP
That not-quite-apology didn't quell the anger or the virtual yelling. "You really are vile," tweeted GOP strategist Rick Wilson; Commentary's John Podhoretz said Paul's tweet was "appalling." The newly liberated Paul "is more callous than ever, with an extra helping of sanctimony and a healthy dollop of anti-military sentiment," say the editors of Michelle Malkin's Twitchy. Not content with just "dancing on the grave of a military hero," Paul poured fuel on the fire by invoking Jesus to justify his "ghoulish" views. Even Paul's son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — rumored to have presidential ambitions himself — rushed out a statement to Breitbart.com: "Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time."
Et tu, Rand? says Ryan W. McMaken at Lew Rockwell's LRC Blog. Yes, "every American soldier is a hero, just like the Bronze-Star-winning Timothy McVeigh and the Marine Lee Harvey Oswald." But Rand isn't the only "sycophantic" conservative throwing Ron Paul under the bus for "truth-telling about the tragic outcomes that are sure to come from time spent in a military where rape, suicide, domestic abuse and general killing are widespread."
Who can be surprised that conservatives... have been falling all over themselves to condemn Ron Paul for quoting Jesus — in correct context, by the way — to note that the violence wrought by over a decade of nonstop war in America leads to tragedy on the home front?... The most transparent were the conservatives who claimed to be former supporters of Paul who must now go support some more "patriotic" politician: One who doesn't actually question anything the military does.... This is what it comes down to for most conservatives, of course. All that stuff about laissez faire and freedom and free markets has never been more than an act and an affectation.... Among conservatives, Ron Paul has only ever had minority support, for in the end, conservatives love government, as exhibited by their latest outrage. They just love it in a slightly different way from the left liberals. [Lew Rockwell]
Well, for better of for worse, this is the genuine Ron Paul, says BuzzFeed's Rosie Gray. Paul has started sending off his own tweets "since he left office," according to a spokeswoman, so "get used to off-the-cuff Twitter activity from the former presidential candidate." Paul's "remarkably offensive 140 character eulogy" is certainly a good reminder why politicians are "protected from scrutiny by both aides trained in press relations and friendly journalistic outlets," says Noah Rothman at Mediaite.
Paul has long opposed American military action... but the former veteran has begun to conflate the missions that he opposes with the men and women who carry those missions out. The sentiment Paul broadcast in this tweet betrays a contempt for Kyle that is, at best, ill-timed.... Paul would be smart to apologize for this insensitive remark, but his political opponents should be thankful for the clarity this unguarded moment has provided the general public. Though the 2012 campaign is long over, Paul's most stalwart supporters continue to insist that the Texas libertarian is the only politician who has the best interests of the troops at heart. This tweet would suggest otherwise. [Mediaite]
why the fuck should he apologize for telling it like it is. this is half the problem with america the truth hurts its ears. so it freaks the fuck out when it hears the truth?
sometimes the crazy old coot gets it right.
sometimes the level headed young stud gets it right.
sometimes both have it right.
most of the time, however, noone has it right.
i always have it right.
You know, I think I read that somewhere.....
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Here's another quote of Jesus showing his policy of non-violence.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."
Matthew 10:34-38
And here are some examples of that policy of non-violence.
The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.
When evening came, they went out of the city.
In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!"
Mark 11:12-14, 11:19-21
On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts.
Mark 11:15-16
When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
John 2:13-15
What an interesting character for a libertarian to quote. The Court of the Gentiles is where both legally and socially sanctioned bussiness had been conducted since the gentiles could go no further into the Temple and the Temple had in part served as a Jewish national bank. Jesus had engaged in violent activity that had clearly interfered with the conduction of legitimate bussiness. Interference that libertarians are supposed to be against.
Of course, in reality, one man couldn't have driven out a bunch of businesses all by himself. In reality, one man would have needed a group of men to have pulled it off. And in reality, the Roman garrison that had been stationed at the Temple and been on high alert during any Jewish festival would have put down the disturbance and had the men crucified for insurrection.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
How can you call the guy a piece of shit without really knowing anything about him? when you made a statement like that, did you ever take into account that he specialized in taking out enemy snipers who killed US troops? Or the countless lives he saved killing those who wished to kill our troops and Iraqi civilians because they did not cooperate? How about the incalculable sacrifice he made by going through 4 tours of the worst that Iraq has to offer all the while he had a loving wife and family waiting at home? He gave the all the money he made from his book to charities for wounded soldiers and dedicated his life to PTSD awareness. The truth of the matter is that CHRIS KYLE accomplished and helped more people with his left pinky than you would in a dozen lifetimes. You don't have to agree with the war, I surely never have but you have to give the utmost respect to a man who has risked his life time and time again for his fellow soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Frankly, if i had an opportunity to actually meet the writer of this post I'd make sure he fully "understood" what this man bled, suffered and sacrificed for. So continue living your life as an internet pussy, Ill make sure that my children and everyone I know are made aware of the great sacrifices of such men.
Good post. The guy who is attacking the soldier may himself be suffering from PTSD of some sort connected with war or military personnel, as he is not responding rationally, as if emotionally triggered. So let's let it rest. We don't want to trigger another episode. Taking a PTSD patient to a shooting range is probably not the best thing to do. Shooting a gun with blanks in the backyard would suffice, if even that.
I wouldn't get excited about what is posted - if they think that way about him I wonder what they thinkg about our WW II and Vietnam Vets? Their answer will tell exactly what they are all about.
As you well know most who post on this site live in the big cities where there are mass murders. They know nothing about anything outside the city limits.
Hell there were people coming up from NYC to go deer hunting years ago and they shot several cows because they though they were deer.
What does that tell you about "city dwellers?
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I don't have an argument. He became a contractor which is part enlister for the military, part recruiter for the corpaortion,
He stood for violence and war & he died for war, his buddies don't have shit to say, ... but deeper ...He was a man, was an US man, was an US voter, was man with borther or sister - father or mother, ... so yeah, he is gonna have family that speak up. Your kid dies in Basic training in the US miliary... okay that is careless death & a lawsuit.
rkhlgatian, is talking about Leadership. You and me we don't have to consider or recognize Leadership. Leadership exists in an other world. War exists in another world.
PTSD does exist in tihis world.
Our veterans are humans, are warriors, and they exist in this world. No judgment. We can't judge the Veterans. They can't pre-Judge us. You and Me might be active in helping and understanding veterans and what happens to veterans ... and we might be trying to reach out to verterans ... but it is tough. Veterans might not want to listen to us. Veterans might feel Judged, boxed in, controlled, monitored, and feel cutoff, feel denigrated, feel abused, and feel like they are totally under the microscope.
Our veterans don't really deserve to be abused, or constantly examined. No one does. Today the veterans are the subject of multiple surveys, tests, examinations, studies ... no one wants to be subject to all that with no financial compensation that pays for housing. Our Veterans deserve some basic program to give them living space and to have their post war treatement provided in a quiet and opaque kind of way. There is no reason to beat down our veterans.
As a veteran (a long time ago), I agree with you.
I guess I was taking a "Humanist" view and applying it to Veterans and the people that join the military system when they are young. That seems fair. I have this idea that some people in the extreme left or the extreme right would take the right to vote away from those on the other side. Understand they both talk about democracy. But it is not democracy to dehumanize and take rights away from people on the other side....
I like that old song Bill Murray was singing in "lost in Translation" ... what's wrong with peace.., love and un..derstanding? I don't know the name of the song. Sounds like Humanism.
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fake ass internet tough guy. you have no clue who I AM MOTHER FUCKER. Let me be clear. I live in two worlds, do you?
Sounds like you are really hurt by the fact that the soldier killed so many people. It is a nice sentiment to not want people to be killed. I don't think any soldier wants to have to kill an enemy. But sometimes it is unavoidable. He must have personally lamented for having to go there and do all that. No one could come out of that experience without some remorse and regret. I think his donating his book sales demonstrates that this is likely the case. I also felt a lot of anger towards W Bush. All Americans (over 70%) and most of the world did too. he had the lowest approval ratings of any president. I think you are misdirecting your anger at the soldier, but it is understandable how you feel about these wars. They are not justified at all. Yet these soldiers didn't knowingly join the military on the basis of these false pretexts to fight senseless wars. If we want to stop this repeating cycle, then we have to clean up US intel that is generating the false intelligence. That is the cause. That is where we need to direct our attention.
if you were dumb enough to enlist to go to war then you deserve to die.
The military gets a lot of kids who are in really tough situations at home who are simply looking for a way out....
and killing people is the way? stfu.
Who said killing is the way? The vast amount of military will never shoot at anyone.
Im saying when you are young and messed up, and someone is actively offering you a way out (recruiter), that its not always about joining the war machine.
the military exists to kill. if you join the military you exist to kill.
To visitors, quantumystic speaks only for himself. He's actually an anti-OWS shill. Divide and conquer is his game. Obviously most soldiers/Marines sign up as true believers, trusting the call and seeking to serve their country -- but, sadly, frequently mislead by Pentagon/political leaders' lies. But the motives of the vast majority are beyond question.
Aside from the facts above, OWS needs to form alliances with vets and vet organizations to accomplish the reinstatement of constitutional law in the U.S. Preventing this is quantum's main motive, as far as I can tell.
you are a fucking nwo stooge. suck some pentagon cocks.
It's convenient that you have a self-impeaching personality, expressed through your thinking patterns and language.
No way, no how do you speak for OWS.
Tell your bosses that you are incompetent, that no one's buying your spiel, and that you should be fired.
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He was not responsible. He was working under orders. The commander in chief was responsible for that war. I am not sure the war morally or legally justified, but the troops really have no ability to make judgement calls. They are ordered to kill the enemy according to the rules of warfare. If he committed war crimes that is another thing. Then you have to prove that. It appears he was not accused or tried of war crimes. So where is the basis for criticism? War means killing enemies. It is no party.
What you say is a rational response. But I have to say does not a time come where the whole Idea of these wars become so reprehensible to the senses that differentiating the warrior from the war is no longer possible For instance, I never heard someone say I detest stripping, but I support strippers.
Also, before I get pigeonholed as unAmerican, I invoke Vietnam, and say the sentiment looks very American to me.
Well it is bandwagon liberalism, as bad as, band wagon conservatism. I am a centrist so I get to criticize all the extremists. lol It's a great job. Someone has to do it. We are the only truly rational people. I say that in all humility. Okay we try to be.
But seriously, being a soldier is a noble occupation. It is not to be equated with strip dancing. That is a misunderstanding of its nature. It is not immoral, but one can make it immoral by committing war crimes like killing an enemy prisoner. That is murder.
Frankly, Americans HATE Nazis. It goes so against our instincts. Americans love underdogs. We cry when we see special olympics guys win gold medals. Nazis just want to kill them. They killed 100s of 1000s of handicaps. Euthanasia. They killed 30 million people or more. So when we see our government cutting a Nazi profile, it shakes us to the core. Wanton senseless killing like in Iraq. 100s of 1000s killed. 90% civilian casualties.
We were on the verge of a government overthrow in the 60s due to this crap. The plain truth is that there are real Nazi elements manipulating US intel.. So yeah it is hard to separate, but we really have to up to a point, which is when those Nazis gain control to the point they are able to unleash repressive and/or genocidal military power on the people of the United States through our own military.
That is where the line gets drawn and each soldier has to make the ultimate decision of who he is fighting to protect. If he attacks American citizens unjustly, then he has to face the power of the people. Bush suspended posse comatatos opening the doors for this. The Patriot Act has pushed us closer to the edge of realizing this. There is an agenda for this at some level, which is a genuine Nazi agenda.
For God's sake, read what the Nazi's actually did and how they did it. Then understand what happened to the top Nazi leaders after WWII. Thousands infiltrated and took over US institutions with the help of the CIA. They were given fake IDs, citizenship, jobs at the expense of Americans, and charge of NASA (150+) and other top posts in intelligence (100+ joined CIA as spies), military and the defense industry.
Hitler's brain, the cream of his crop, merged with the USA. These were SS officers, gestapo, all war criminals who escaped trial. They regrouped and were plotting the Fourth Reich. Their plan was to control the world by controlling Space, and we gave them full facility to do that through NASA. The first director of NASA and the top 150 guys who ran NASA were all Hitler's men. Nazi war criminals. How insane is that?
Read about Operation Paperclip and Operation Galdio and Odessa and open your eyes. America is famous for supporting right wing dictator puppet regimes after WWII. Why? Who was doing that? Hitler's top 100 spies who were working in the CIA after WWII. That's who. Everyone including Americans hates our government for that. Why? Because it is a sick Nazi way to do foreign policy. It was like that, because our intel is full of Nazis. Just figure it out.
Project Paperclip has been partially declassified, so you can do the math. What happens if you take 100 of Hitler's most devious and cunning spies from the SS/Gestapo and integrated them in the CIA? What would you predict? Good intelligence reports? Or smuggling heroin into the US on CIA planes? Is everyone here wasted on drugs, or have you never study the history of WWII? These scum bag Nazis killed only 30 million people because we didn't give them more time. They would have killed billions. And those are the same bastards we integrate into the most sensitive part of our govt, our intelligence. Just go out and implant tape worms in your brain and see what happens.
so the guy pulling the trigger bears no responsibility? go die. please for the love of god go running with scissors or playing in traffic or something.
Go live!!!! I hope you live a long and health life and you have a big house, nice car, lots of friends, a hot wife, no disease!!!!
Take that!!!!!!
Everyone deserves to live.
not everyone.
Like who? You?
Who decides who deserves to live and who doesnt?
the hands of fate and the sands of time.
So anyone that has ever been killed, "deserved it"?
thanks
Rep. Ellison on Obama’s Minnesota gun control speech: Appealing to the people is the right strategy
February 4, 2013
Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who attended Obama’s campaign-style event on gun control in Minneapolis, shares his thoughts on the president’s strategy with Current TV’s John Fugelsang.
By “jumping over the head of the Washington lobbyists [NRA] and going straight to the American people, the American people … will put pressure on their members of Congress to move forward on sensible, sane gun violence prevention,” Ellison says. Ellison also weighs in on whether progressives would support less comprehensive gun control measures, like expanded — as opposed to universal — background checks.
“It wouldn’t be enough for us to move on, but it would be enough for us to say that we’ve made some progress,” he says.
http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/rep-ellison-on-obamas-minnesota-gun-control-speech-appealing-to-the-people-is-the-right-strategy/
ellison is a muslim,........islam is fascsim masquerading as a religion.
All religion is organized fantasy to control the masses.
you have no idea what your talking about. http://thereligionofpeace.com/
You are lost
do dear, you are. http://thereligionofpeace.com/ read it , all of it
What about Judaisim ? Or Christianity ? Can't the 'F' word be levelled at all the 'Abrahamic Mumbo Jumbos', with their inculcated exceptionalisms and supremacisms ? Are you a li'l bit of a bigot per chance ? Here you go, give this a go and please do try to soften your heart and harden your head :
multum in parvo ...
islam is not a religion .its a political system and that system is fascism.
"He was a piece of shit responsible for at least 160 murders."
I find it not funny, and not at all ironic that the drone wars (obomya's pet toy) is killing thousands of civilians, and even a couple of American citizens, and yet the focus is not on that at all.
You don't write like you are Zen. However, I have seen some writing that shows you might be a Zen thinker. You might be one of the few that can see war, and Express the problems of war.
Well, maybe you are Zen, but you sometimes write as though you are just a man....
You seem to have deeper insight into geopolitics and war than most people... but I know nothing about you... You are smart, educated, but does this mean you should be in media, teaching in university, and politics?
Whatever you do with your life, ...keep doing what you are doing. You are well educated.
thanks but i am just a guy who is unemployed.
i don't support the military or our president.
Yes, but you MUST support yourself. I dont mean finacially, but intellectually.
Dont be an idiot and care about yourself!!!
the only moral thing is to care about myself.
Morality? who said anything about morality?
You care about yourself because it is the best and most effective way to live. If you want something go get, if you want to be free, BE FREE, ect.
if you want to be free kill your master.
I am my own master; must I kill myself to be free?
I AM the captain of MY soul.
Fuck you asshole. He saved countless lives and killed 160 pieces of shit who would gladly put a bullet through you're skull shithead.
Forget it. These reds have no idea what you are talking about. They hate and despise anything that doesn't goose step along with them. That's why they are irrelevant. Keyboard warriors engaging in group think.
Anyone that is against killing is a communist? Since when?
since we killed the natives for the land
Please - stop - you do not know the man - you never knew the man - why pretend that you know anything about his supposed 160 killings? Were you there? Do you know who each and every target was? Don't pretend to speak for someone else. He was given assignments - he came home - he wrote a book - he died ( was killed ) - that is all you know of the man.
I know personally three marines that worked with him and have met him several times, so piss off.
Did they also know him to be an idiot? I mean to put a loaded weapon into the hands of a guy that was having issues about wanting to kill them self? A person he was contacted to see by the family who was concerned and had already informed him about the threats of violence? So you know three guys that met him. Still says nothing about knowing the guy. So I will take your advice to piss off - open your mouth I gotta take a leak.
You don't know jack shit and that's for sure. Supporting and agreeing with quantumystic shows you are just as unAmerican and stupid as this fuck nuttz.
It is not Un-American to oppose senseless wars. At the same time it is un-American to blame a soldier for the fault of the commander in chief, or the intel that falsely puts us into places we have no business being in. That is documented. Watch "War Made Easy" on youtube.
Soldiers need to be given a break, for sure.
The thing is though, that there is no such thing as a 'senseful' war. All violence is senseless.
You are very prejudiced. That is not a question - just an observation. So go ahead and accept any ol BS that comes down "your" line of communication - heaven forbid that you might have the temerity to think for yourself.
Try thinking for yourself for a change,all you are is an echo chamber for all the crazy,lunatic freak jobs that post on this site.
That would be you - so I suppose on some level you were looking in the mirror as you typed that comment. Understandable - because if you have any brains at all - that are your own - then - you can not help but see that those in positions of power influence are fucking up society/environment/world for profits over people.
we don't know for a fact that he saved any lives but we do know he took 160. by any standard a mass murderer.
News reports say he had 160 confirmed kills. He claimed an additional 60-70 unconfirmed in his book.
He was involved with an organization that helped soldiers with PTSD. Are you a member of Westboro Baptist Church? They hate soldiers too..
yeah he was a mass murderer who meet the kind of end he deserved.
No, he was a soldier, during a war, doing his job. Like it or not there is a big difference.
Ask the Nazis at Nuremberg how well that one worked for them.
Ask the Russians fighting on the Eastern Front, from Leningrad to the Crimea, from Kiev to Stalingrad, the Soviet Union was devastated - at least 25 million Soviet citizens died. But they defeated the Nazi’s. My answer is more accurate than yours.
You said that a soldier is immune because they are "just doing thier job".
That is the Nuremberg defense. One that was flatly rejected.
Soldiers are just as guilty as the people they take orders from are.
OK, I concede, war atrocities committed by soldiers should be prosecuted. Doesn’t change the fact that soldiers fighting a war are just doing their job and should not be condemned for it.
That is called the "Nuremberg defense". Soldiers, if faced with a moral dilemma(in this case "murder or not to murder") have the duty to make the moral decision no matter what their boss or job tells them to do.
Soldiers who participate in the crime of war are just as guilty as those who started the war.
Yes. Yes, it is.
there is no difference. he even admitted that he did not know if every kill was a terrorist or enemy combatant or whatever. the guy was piece of shit and now he burns with hitler, pol pot, and reagan in hell fire.
I hope he turns his life around and comes back so he can right his wrongs.
Eternal damnation is for people that ask for it, not for ignorant people that dont know the difference.
no such thing as eternal damnation in true christianity and certainly not any in judaism.
Who said i am Christian or Jewish?
Must I be religious to believe that we are punished with eternal birth and rebirth for all of eternity?
Aw man, Westboro needs people like you. Just so full of hate. No point in discussing it further. You're not going to be rational.
westboro? you are fucking retarded. sure i am full of hate for morons like you. it's people just like you that we are in the situation we find ourselves in. dumb fucks get out the way. let people who know what they are doing run this.
You know what your doing? Why am I even in existance if you got it all handled?
Lets all hold hands and walk off a cliff together, it all handled. ;)
So he killed 160 innocent civilians who did absolutely nothing to provoke him to shoot them?
is there any evidence that they were criminals? it is their country asshole. the fuck is this redneck asshole running around murkin people out in the desert for?
Except when he found a bunch of Chechens in a house that were there to fight for Allah. So explain that to me.
So tell us, what do you think about the WW II vets - are they "murderers" also?
many men should have been tried for war crimes from the allied side. from the murder of pow's to the firebombing and eventual nuking of civilian populations. i never said all soldiers who kill are murderers btw. but the sick blood lust of a mass murderer like chris kyle and his abject glorification is absolutely sickening.
Well he's only doing what he was "ordered" to do just as our WW II vets did when they were fighting the enemy. As a matter of fact they shot people in the back, burned them face to face along with a lot of other type killings - So do you condem them and say they are "cowards" when they were doing what they were ordered to do?
just like you either believe it is wrong to torture or it's not. just like you either believe it's okay or not to beat peaceful protesters. just like you either believe it is okay for bankers and multinationals to rape and pillage till there is nothing left to take or not.
only doing what you are "ordered" is no excuse. just like doing things for a paycheck is no excuse. i am sick and tired of dumb fucks like you trying to draw some sort of moral qualitativeness from immoral actions it can't be done jerk off. you can't rationalize it. you either believe it is wrong to kill people or you don't.
Well I believe it's "right" to kill someone if they threaten my life" - how about you? I don't rationalize when it comes to that and neither did our WW II troops nor did our Vietnam Vets and Iraq Vets.
If you don't like doing things for a paycheck, then look for another way to survive but don't condem others because they do it.
quasy is an idiot. your're wasting time with logic.
Well I think he just like others on this site are very young with no real life experiences. .
And how old are you? Im only 32, and have more to learn.
Whats your age?
I am old enough to have multiple job skills, have experienced many trial and tribulations in life and can be successful in whatever endouvers I undertake. Failure with me is not an option.
haha....ok buddy.
So Im going to guess, from that answer, you are probably about 25 and spoiled as shit.
Failure is always an option.
Failure is only an option while you keep trying and eventually become successful. You see there are many millionaires out there who have failed time and time again but kept trying and eventually succeded at becoming successful - that's how it works.
However there are a lot of people who don't understand that concept - for they want to be successful and wealthy now - without having to work for it.
Again you relate success to only monetary terms...
I do agree with your second paragraph, that people have forgotten the amount of hard work it takes to become financially successful. That being said, when productivity is up, and wages are down, they have a legitimate gripe to an extent.
I never said anything about "equating success to "monetary terms". What I did say was that "having goals" and working towards those goals make a person successful - regardless of what those goals are.
without failure there is no success. thats how you learn.
Isn't that what I stated?
either young and been taught be social progressives or older and and just plain stupid.
Well the "older just plain stupid" are the people that gave the "young social progressives" what they have today.
Want to compare what the "older just plain stupid" invented compared to the "young social social progressives" Dare you?
The 160 are better off dead. It is too bad he didn't get another 160.
I wonder if blowing some scumbags head off with a sniper rifle is as fun in real life as it is in COD? I bet it is.
you sick fuck.
You don't like COD?
i don't play children's games.
Not a child's game. Sniper shots to the head are adult business.
Yes, It is not a tragedy as he lived as he wanted. He believed in the US & War. He wanted to be a Sniper. He got it, and lived his dream. You cant honestly mourn a man like that.
Okay everyone has a judgement of him... Do we believe everyone?
Is everyones opinion equal?
Should we listen to people that have never fired a gun, that have never been a soldier, never been in security?
No harn in the man. But we can research his life when he is gone. The man just wanted to serve, he might have been corrupted, but he did not know how he would be Used. He was Used. He was cannon fodder. RIP.
Live by the sword...die by the sword.
exactly. the circle was completed.
idiot
wow real intelligent.
No - you are much to generous - Double speak? {:-])
It was..............an oberservation on your lack of intelligence.
that's amusing. my lack of intelligence. right. gotcha.
Taking it out on a soldier is not fair. I agree, and probably everyone else here agrees that the Iraq War was a 5 star BS war, and Afghan at least a 4 star BS War. That's a lot of BS. But these soldiers did not sign up for BS, they genuinely signed up to sincerely serve their country (and you). The top dogs got it wrong, they they lied and cheated and exploited the situation, whatever. But the soldiers are not a direct party to all that. They are an indirect party to it. Give them a break?
the soldiers are totally to blame. they signed up cause they like call of fucking duty don't get it twisted. they wanted to kill.
Wow, so many books, so little time; oh well, off to amazon again.
Violence is ineffective and senseless, no matter the circumstances.
I pity anyone who wishes ill upon any other person.
It is SAD when ANY person dies. Ignorance breeds ignorance.
I dont find it funny at all that a person died. Critisize the world view that lead to his murder, but dont be happy about it.
baptize me in their blood.
You get what you give. Your end will be no better than the end you wish for those that you dislike.
you have zero basis to make this outlandish claim.
live by the sword, die by the sword.
I didnt say it.
he sure did die by the sword. pos that he was.
And likely will anyone and everyone that praised his murder.
i rejoice in the blood and death of tyrants.
sorry to hear that. im sure they feel the same about you.
well yeah. that's what tyrants do, rejoice in the death of patriots.
Im not a patriot. ;)
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Killed by a fellow veteran. If only he and his friend had been armed, they could have prevented themselves from being killed...oh wait a minute, they were! So much for the claim that arming everyone will prevent attacks. When public attacks come, they come both unexpectantly and quickly. Even the second victim doesn't seem to have had the time to have responded.
Chris Kyle was a great American, who wrote a great book. quantumystic, you are a piece of xxxx and write xxxx. You rot in hell.
he is the gauge for american greatness then we surely are fucking doomed. the book is a piece of shit. he was a piece of shit. he got what he deserved.
Its been a long time since I've seen so such hate. Our soldiers are just people. Not only am I a Viet Nam veteran, I've lived near one of the largest military base in the US for over twenty years. These folks are not the demons you want them to be. Calm down.
killing people or participating as a cog in the machine that kills people makes you a scum bag this is a volunteer army.
I was going to post that we might be heading for a new army/military structure. War is bad. We ended the draft, went to volunteer army, now we are headed to a push button military. The killing by pushing a button has got to be a dark day for the world. We can fill our Pentagon with agressive officers ...and recruit kids good with video games to fly drones and take out military objectives. The technology has been around long enough they could have done it to take out the Twin Towers through auto pilot devices. not saying they did, but...
So we have a Rightwing Government in bed with Corporate Powers, but we still have some social programs that are strong and popular. It is like a weird James Bond Movie. A dichotomy.
Death made simple, Made in the USA.
Did you ever pay taxes? Then you are the fuel that ran the machine. So WTF?
see more of the false equivalency bullshit.
Own it. The machine you talk about with all its cogs does not live in a vacuum. Every American, through the power and responsibility of the democratic process produced that war machine. When you go to North Warizistan no one there is going to pardon you because you are not in a cog uniform. They will hold you equally accountable just by knowing you are an American. That is enough.
this is false logic at its worst. we don't have a democratic process. don't be a fool.
OK, do you hate only the grunts carrying rifles, or also the truck drivers, clericals, computer folks, etc.. There’s probably a ratio of five to one. Would you feel better if the draft was reinstated? I say again. The level of hate you project is scary.
if you are in the military you are a cog in a wheel of death for profit. you are a piece of shit if you are. period i don't care what the fuck your role is that doesn't matter a machine needs all it's parts to work. why would i feel better about a draft? what are you fucking braindead?
OK, Use me as an example. I served with an artillery unit in Viet Nam. We used a Howitzer to shell targets miles away. It wasn’t up close, but I’m sure we killed a few enemy soldiers. But beyond that, I’ve been married over forty years, raised children, now grown, and responsible grown-up and I love playing with my grandkids. I worked at the same job for thirty-five years and fortunate enough to retire. I vote, pay my taxes, never been arrested and generally an overall good guy.
So, do I fit in your vision of mass murderer; or just a soldier doing his job. Also, For what it’s worth I’ve never met a Veteran who wasn’t proud they served
you are in fact a murderer. sleep on that tonight.
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War is an example of how inhuman humans can be. Innocent people die, and we can’t change it.
I hate the wars the America gets involved with, meaning Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan. We have no business being there. I’ve said in a couple of posts we should immediately, and totally, pull out of Afghanistan. We can’t win and we won’t win over the people. It’s insane we’re there.
Call all troops home. Close most foreign bases. The only time we should be at war is if we’re directly attacked; and that hasn’t happened since 1812.
Agree
You are not a murderer. Killing in war is not murder. You have the right perspective. The Vietnam War was fought on false pretexts and we should not be proud of it. But that is not a soldiers responsibility. The CIA gave false intel that brought the US military there to fight the CIA's opium war for the golden triangle. It was a drug turf war. The CIA was producing heroin in Laos and selling it to troops in Vietnam. 30% of the soldiers became heroin addicts. There were more heroin addicts serving in Vietnam than in the entire USA. The soldiers were exploited. The law was exploited. Congress and the people of the USA and Vietnam were exploited all for the greed of drug smugglers embedded in the CIA. That problem is still with us and the same story repeats in Afghanistan. The CIA linked AlQaida to 9/11 to drag the US military in there to spank Taliban who was encroaching on CIA heroin production in Afghanistan. Osama is in North Warizistan and the US military is in Helmund Dist where 97% of the world's opium production is. Figure that out. They flew all the way over there to hang out with poppies or to engage the enemy hiding in North Warizistan? They should have landed in Pakistan. They didn't because that wasn't their real target. The real target is the opium for making heroin in Turkey to export to the USA on CIA planes that can enter without customs or military scrutiny in the USA by the ton daily. That is WTF is going on in this town. When are people going to wake up and turn on their brains to this? Is everyone in America a drug addict now and therefore comfortably too numb to give a F?
Chris Kyle was an American Hero and God Bless him and may he rest in peace.
You quantumystic are the REAL piece of shit. Those "160 murders" you ignorantly spew about are what's referred to as the ENEMY!!
Get a grip turd for brains.
The man may ( may ) have acted in honor - but you were not there and you were not privy to the assignments given nor were you privy to the assignments carried out - so shut the fuck up - because you are as much in the dark as anyone else.
You don't know jack shit about him. We already know what he did,who he was. What the fuck else do you need to know?
You're just talking shit and you should take your own advice and STFU.
I know he's a Hero,your a fucking anti-American,military hating worm who would rather believe the worst of a good man that was an American Hero. You have nothing to offer but barking orders and trying to shut everybody up.
Fuck off shit for brains - you do not know a damn thing - I laud your hopes that all was done in honor - but you do not know a fucking thing - so - shut the fuck up - asshole. Consider the fact that we have no business being over there. We have no business being the aggressors and killing civilians - what is happening is not defense - it is purely - plain and simply - OFFENSE.
You've got nothing but name calling left cause you can't give any proof to back up your asinine negative rants about Kyle.
Kyle was an American Hero!!
Deal with it!!!
You have absolutely nothing to prove he was a hero. You have a wish - you have a desire - you have no proof.
I can't believe I'm having a back and forth with someone so fucking willfully ignorant.
Later.
quanty will never understand.
Apparently there a whole lot that this pontificating buffoon does not understand.
what enemy? it's not like there is some barefoot afghan hiding behind a dumpster waiting to detonate an ied on me while i drive to panera bread. get a fucking grip our greatest enemy is our policy.
You are so fucking twisted up in knots mentally that you don't know right from wrong,friend from foe or any basic human understanding.
You have to be one of THE most ignorant Leftist's on this site. If you indeed are an American,you need to be striped of your citizenship and exported so you can go sing Kumbaya with your butt buddies in the sand pits of the ME,piece of shit!!
last i checked killing is wrong. it is the greatest of all wrongs. last i checked going to a foreign land and killing women and children with sky robots is wrong. i bet you are a conservative. if so thank god no one believes your ideas. go watch some more glenn beck.
You don't know wtf to believe,you're an idiot who has his head up his ass about everything. Kyle was an American Hero. You need to grow up and learn something about what it means to be a patriotic American.
You wouldn't have the right to express you idiocy if many American Hero's didn't die to protect your right to be an asshole.
Get educated jerk off!!
what american hero's died to protect me? none? lay off the pentagon propaganda douche bag. you need to grow the fuck up and pull your head out of your ass. try reading a book i would recommend howard zinn's a peoples history of the united states. it is a book you obviously missed during your education. brainwashed sheeple.
LOL,you are a "brainwashed sheeple". What else could explain your utter lack of simple understandings. If you don't even know the history of this nation and know of the people who gave their lives to protect and insure our freedom and way of life then you're fucked,completely and totally fucked in the head.
You can't be a man yet,...you sound like a Mewling Quim who arrogantly thinks his warped view of America is somehow righteous and beyond reproach. You're full of shit and willfully ignorant.
If you are a man I'd hope you get drafted and thrown into the middle of a 110 degree ME desert with an M4 to keep you company so you could learn a lesson about life that you sorely need.
why would i need to go the middle east there is no threat to me there.
Don't worry you can't read and your comprehension skills are crap as evidenced by your reply,you Mewling Quim.
go back to sleep archie bunker your time is over.
By your reasoning, every soldier who has killed an enemy in the line of duty is worthy of death and eternal damnation? Come on, pal. You have some good ideas, but it is shit like this which puts you out of the realm of consideration and into the realm of silencing with drugs in the drinking water.
Naaaa...American soldiers killing nazis would be horrible according to quantum commie. It would probably agree with others that all our troops deserve death. And their families as well.