Forum Post: Anyone know anything about this? http://occupiednationobr.wordpress.com/
Posted 10 years ago on May 31, 2013, 1:56 p.m. EST by windyacres
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This is an OWS forum, we should know.
Although protests and marches and occupations have clearly woken up America, the next step is to get something done.
And yes, that means considering working inside the system.
voting for ELECTABLE pro 99% candidates like Warren & Sanders & Grayson
no candidate is perfect; every candidate has made mistakes.
but we must grow up and recognize we need to vote to help America, not to validate a particular philosophy or single issue
what is YOUR key issue?
jobs, taxes, war, education, infrastructure or ?????
Virtually all OWS goals will be closer when one task is completed -
ALL goals - YOUR goals
please visit our OWS web site:
http://corporationsarenotpeople,webuda.com
Ok, I'll humor this. Ive done enough campaigning that I know a thing or two on what makes or breaks an area.
So let me ask you this:
How is your "Campaign to Find Candidates" going? Simply letting the maching pick them for you, as usually happens- rich people convincing their friends to run- is a sure way to end up with more of the same shit.
Go find some decent hard working people and approach the local Dem leadership about getting them in.
What happens after that should be all the proof you need that the system is garbage.
"but we must grow up and recognize we need to vote to help America, not to validate a particular philosophy or single issue"
I think America is waking up but not nearly enough because of their, trust, that the government of America will ultimately do the right thing. They accept the, us versus them and democrats versus republicans as the best way of selecting candidates Many still have refused to consider that there's actually no difference between dems and repubs. All because of their trust.
After the selection process is accomplished for House of Representative of a district, what is his first job? Bring home the bacon from D.C. If their district has a tank factory, they must protect it. Probably would be a good idea to hire a professional lobbyist to make sure obsolete tanks continue to be built.
I want to vote for something else!
"but we must grow up"...
You need to put another moronic cartoon under the post after that. Show us how mature we really need to be.
If you want to do something inside the system, how about putting something together to impeach 536 of em and start over?
Be careful OTP, agreeing with me can be injurious to your karma score
If Bensdad pulls his sock puppets out, you could be back in the minus column in the 'blink of an eye'....and me by nightfall...lol
~Odin~
So much for my dreams of -500. Now Im in some weird no mans land.
I think I'll try to keep it at 0. Not up, not down. Just zero. Nice and even.
...haha....
Being in "no mans land" is the price you pay for following your conscience
~Odin~
Bensdad...you still trying to co-opt this noble struggle into the Dem party, eh?
You belong in Moveon.org or the DNC and like i have told you before you could think about co-opting them into Occupy
That way, you could be of some use to this struggle
Should we all "grow up" and join your little 'mature'...partisan, xenophobic, hate, working group?
Could i be a guest speaker at your next OWS....PXHWG meeting? I'll do it pro bono, just for you...lol
~Odin~
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I agree, in a country of 300 plus million people, anarchy would not work, but "escaping" from a system that breeds unustainability and exploitation is very possible
And searching for a more participatory system that is better equipped to deal with the unprecedented crisis we are in is a just and needed cause
It's time to start thinking 'out of the box' and that will be a young people's initiative, not ours for the most part
~Odin~
On a side note, later today i will prove beyond a doubt that i am more handsome than you...lol
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Nothing is ever black or white, so saying the young people have become "nihilists" is not completely without truth as
Desparation and hence "disenchant[ment]" would tend to foster 'nihilism.' We all have a lot to be "disenchanted" about...some people far more than others
But what i see in NY for the most part are young people looking for constructive ways of circumventing the corrupt system, and setting a precedence for a new more humane 'norm'
"The World We Want Starts Now' could well be their motto
And in the end with few exceptions, I believe that the latter will win out over the former
The mistakes that our generation has made are obvious, and our basic inability to look for a 'way forward' is part of our make-up that is difficult to overcome at this point
I remember a union head early in the struggle saying something like, "If people think that real change comes from the older generation, they are mistaken."
Although i do feel that our generation has the chance to make valuable contributions to this struggle, this overwhelmingly is a young people's rev...
Admittedly that fact was hard for me to swallow too
~Odin~
at the peak in 2008 there was 18.6 Million Empty Homes In America ....
could not find a current estimate ... but we know it is less but still a big #
here's a crazy idea....
there are a lot of reasons these vacancies have not recovered yet ... however imo, the primary one is that the jobs are not available in these areas....
WHAT IF....
we organized a campaign like "Rolling Jubilee" that acquired these homes... and turned half or so into Aquaponic farming structures ... ?
This will help in the demise of the GMO disaster ... as well as provide new job opportunities to those devastated areas....
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Would you rather communities figure out healthy ways to feed themselves, or just let Walmart do it?
As far as the no escape, while it may be the most likely outcomes- a huge corporate shithole that is worse than the one we are already in- I prefer to go down fighting.
At the very least everything we are doing is educational, and an informed and educated community is more enjoyable to live in.
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No, I cant say it. I skipped that word during the marches last weekend everytime for some strange reason. ... ughhhh.
Check out my reply to Bensdad "Ok I'll humor this"...
No offense, but Ive done enough campaigning that people saying "get involved" with no experience, and no plan, and no understanding of the process for amendments and qualifiying candidates is the same lame stuff.
Let me know what you think about that post.
http://www.nycga.net/events/occupy-wall-street-june-1st-homecoming/
http://www.occupyhomecoming.net/
Stay away from it, if it has no legal process or uses rights without acknowledging the constitution which protects the rights.
Participating is an abuse of rights in this social environment. Participation is wasting rights vital for protecting rights by the reinforcement of the MSM attitude shared with the nations TV viewers.
There's nothing about it that's illegal as far as i know. I feel differently from you concerning the participation paragraph.
Protest needs to be in support of legal process that supports the right to protest. That is first, then whatever demand exists is made. Otherwise you use up the right AND GET NOTHING DONE. This is exactly what the elite want.
"Protest needs to be in support of legal process that supports the right to protest."
Errr...is that the same "legal process" that has gotten us to this sordid point in our history?!
~Odin~
No, we neglected almost everything.
In 1911, 2/3 of the states had applied for an ART5. Congress violated the law, their oaths and the constitution when they failed to convene delegates.
That was not "legal process"
There was a reason for that.
Then they immersed us in 2 world wars and scared us with a bad bomb. We fearfully neglected to demand our officials observe the constitution even after we realized that there were at least 2 nations stockpiling enough nukes to blow up the planet 300 times.
We never did a legal process.
A few good politicians tried (two assassinated), but we watched too much TV to even notice what they were doing and it was too scary.
At this point, I feel you are putting too much energy into a broken systen, but if that is what you want to do, go for it
Your initiative just seems like an obfuscating 'end-around' to get Occupy into the voting booth and into partisan politics which is a waste of time now and for the forseeable future
~Odin~
The opposite, principles not parties. Constitutional principles such as freedom of speech, expression and the press.
Fixing the only system there is; is better than trying to oppose it particularly when it has a mechanism over it that is there for us to fix it like ART5. Alter or abolish. That is more than occupy proposes.
BTW, your use of the word "system" is a generalization, a label.
There are specifically a number of things here.
The current infiltrated government and the corrupted system it has imposed on us. There is the ideal of lawful government under the constitution, and there is our concept of a new, functional system which operates by the ideal.
I notice ows has no system except a socialist system and have not properly asked America if it want in a formal, legal fashion by making constitutional amendment.
I would abolish our current civil government and replace it with one robustly dedicated to our rights and the constitution which guarantees them.
OK, go ahead and do that. I'm into other stuff. Good Luck..;-)
~Odin~
Not into principles, freedom of speech?
I've been "into principles, freedom of speech" long before I came here to Occupy
We all have and want to follow different approaches that we believe will work in getting us to nirvana
It's my view that you will just get bogged down in a broken system with your initiative
~Odin~
It is not an initiative. It is the supreme law of the land. It is also what guarantees rights. ART5 is your first constitutional right. Amercans share their dependence on the constitution for their rights and freedoms.
If you have another way to protect rights and freedoms that shows promise, let us know.
Your battologizing about ART5 is getting 'old' to me. Find someone else to recruit and 'go for it.' OWS is not a pacifist voting group though...if that is indeed one of your goals
~Odin!
Then the function of constitutional intent within Article V is something they should be into. Occupy congress demanding an Article V convention, bringing proof that congress violated the law, their oath and the constitution 100 years ago, justifying an immediate convention.
Such a convention would logically have to have considerable preparation. Therein alone is the truth to the public. Passive, no. When the public learns what has been done, you'll see them abandoning the superbowl, but they have to learn first.
Follow your heart.
~Odin~
Are you the one I met in NYC? I'm Mark Cornell. I work for the Rolling Jubilee. I met an older man who talked to me about this site. We had a few beers after a protest. I have a feeling it was you. Not sure.
Not if we had a few beers, as I don't drink. I was the tall, handsome, older gent..lol.. with Occupy Town Square who held a collaborative event with The Rolling Jubilee at the Judson church a few months back
I made tons of pasta salad which I got a lot of compliments about, for that event
~Odin~
It wasn't that event, so maybe not. I don't remember if the man I met drank, but we were a bunch of people who did. Something like 10. Small cozy bar. We mostly talked about Occupy plans for the future, and how we were helping in our own ways.
That's possible then, but it was quite a while ago, and somewhere in lower Manhattan.
~Odin~
I agree we should support the legal process that supports the right to protest. I don't understand why gathering and protesting uses up any rights.
Legal process should be improving at all times, but it doesn't seem that way.
It's MSM, cointelpro and cognitive infiltration of OWS within the agenda of the NWO. The protests which do not invoke the constitution are designed to be misrepresented by MSM to get public sentiment AGAINST the protest(ors) and much of their purpose/demand. This makes it easy for cops to beat people, abuse rights and get away with it.
Leo yo posted very intelligently and said no protest for any problem should be made without solution for the problem being on the forefront. That most often includes legal process to be effective.
My impression of their agenda is continued use of the MSM to prevent millions from doing anything. The legal process will take care of itself if more and more rise up against the injustice.
That depends on the elite selecting which legal process. You have used the term "legal process" as a generalization.
I really think we need to select our own specific legal process, one that has very broad reaching effects.