Forum Post: How does OWS Feel about Globization
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 21, 2012, 11:58 a.m. EST by DanielBarton
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So i noticed a lot of people here have been saying that they think we should tax and tariff companies that have moved overseas.
So does this mean the the this movement is anti globalization in definition?
Does this also reflect towards your feeling of people working in other countries
All imports from foreign corps/businesses should have to comply with American labor standards.
If you can't legally do it here... you shouldn't be importing from doing it over there.
thats a realistic thought i agree with labor standards but i dont think pay could be the same
they should have to abide by US standard minimum wage equivalent in their currency.
That's how you bring jobs back to America. Make them abide by American standards. Anything else is unAmerican in my opinion.
ok i think America is past that point. i don't think it is even feasible that we can become a manufacturing power house that employes as many people as these foreign countries do.
Ows has stated its' opposition to neoliberalism. read this link, and you should have your answer. http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
Globalization in regards to communications is OK. Maybe we take this for granted in the US. The rest of globalization is rapacious.
why is it "rapacious"
ccupywallst.org/forum/the-real-question-why-dont-people-make-enough-to-p/#comment-839658
"When we allow our companies to close factories here, where people have a say, and move them there, where people don't have a say, and then bring the same goods back here to sell, we are allowing them to escape the borders of democracy."
Slave labor is illegal most foreign companies pay twice the national average
The other day i got to talk to a member of John Deere who is responsible for building a factory in china. Now most think the parts are just going to be made in china then sold to the united states now the actual opposite is true they are building parts in china to sell to china. Now that is a prime example of globalization is it wrong to move and advance technology in other countries.
No,I don't have a problem with JD building parts in China for China. That however, is not globalization. It is localization. "Slave labor is illegal most (sic} countries" I guess that depends on what you define as slave labor. $1 a day? 13cents an hour? I guess paying twice the national average wouldn't be too costly. http://www.independent.org/publications/working_papers/article.asp?id=1369
no it wouldn't and you have to remember these places haven't gone through unions and industrial revolutions.
its still globalization yes it is localization of a product but globalization of an idea and business. Its something that is very beneficial to man kind
Ben Powell the guy who wrote your article very smart man. here is a video that he did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2sW2wt3nLU
Beneficial to outsourcing corporations, not Mankind. Not gone through unions? That can be a hard row to hoe. Seems a lot of foreign citizens don't think it's so great https://www.google.com/search?q=anti+union+violence+in+Columbia&sugexp=chrome,mod=2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-zapatistas-struggle-against-free-trade/ http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2011/11/201111315724551676.html
yes and their revolution will happen we rioted many times in America due to bosses and pay. Believe me this benefits all of us by stirring the pot and placing ideas in these people heads.
with out these companies going there this revolution could of never happened
"......with out these companies going there this revolution could of never happened" Sorry, I don't buy that. I don't believe US businesses that are profiting through exploitation are at all in favor of these workers organizing. In fact, there is a very active attempt to suppress unions here. That should be blatantly obvious to anyone that doesn't live in a cave.
its living proof these people are rebelling against corporations to start their own its wonderful. Yeah unions have a purpose and so does management both are needed in our world
The Israelite s rebelled against Rome in 66 CE. By 70 CE. they were slaughtered. by Vespasian and Titus. Rebellion does not assure success..
no it doesn't but this is a social revolution not a militaristic one
In China protesters were met with tanks. In Columbia, union organizers are being murdered by the hundreds. At what point would you call it militaristic?
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people have a say everywhere
yes they do
Yes, these Columbians can have a say, right before they are murdered. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/10/02/study_colombia_anti_union_violence_undeterred/
can't keep the press down
An anti-globalist stance is ridiculous just like an anti-technology stance is because globalism and advances in technology cannot be stopped. Every day people are working on better modes of transportation, soon we'll have vactrains that will move people across the world in the fraction of the time modern planes do. Add to that modes of communication which are becoming faster and faster and it becomes quite obvious that globalism is here to stay. It's a non-issue. Globalism has already happened and will only continue to become more evident as time progresses. The next big thing is the rise of the machines which also cannot be stopped.
Did you know that if things keep going at this rate everybody will become like Brazilians? We talk about the extinction of species a lot, but we seldom talk about the extinction of genetic traits. Some traits are powerful and some regress. Brown eyes win over blue eyes. Before the invention of the bicycle a person's life partner was born in average less than 1km away. Nowadays, people from different continents often marry, plus immigration means that people of different races marry more and more. Nothing wrong with that, but it means that regressive traits are lost to the stronger ones. Blond hair is soon to be extinct, so are blue eyes and white pale skin. Brazilians are the society with the most dominant traits and evolutionist believe this is where we are heading genetically speaking.
This does not bother me one bit. Things change. And, like globalism and the advances in technology, the reduction of genetic traits cannot be stopped (unless we start playing with genetics to fashion our babies).
Globalism can't be stopped? Just watch us marcus.
I supposed you see yourself as one of the lucky sky people. Globalism would make the vast majority mud people.
HAhahaha. Sky People. I love it. What better way to to descibe the lying, globalist, NWO, jet set, republicrat wankers who think they're doing us a favor. Lets get muddy.
what does that even mean
I can't speak for nomdeguerre but saying there are mud people and sky people was inspired. Mud people have trouble finding work, holding a job, getting enough hours, making enough to get by, etc... Sky people travel in planes and go everywhere, dress and speak properly and they piss on the backs of the mud people and tell them it's raining.
You said it, brother!
why would you want to stop globalization
Simple, we ain't goin back to Massa's plantation.
Thats it, no other reason other than personal gain
No, globalism cannot be stopped. People travel more and more, and people communicate across the world more and more. The days of isolated tribes are long gone. Get with the times. Anarcho-primitivism and all other types of primitivism are dead. Sure, you can pop up some local projects here and there, but globalism will dominate.
You mean the Slave Planet can't be stopped? You want to live in a Foxxconn hell? Stop deluding yourself.
You know... the claim that blue eyes are recessive is a fallacy. My family has repeatedly produced blue eyed children, no matter what color the spouse, for four hundred years now. And blond is not recessive either - it is entirely random. So this researcher's assertions are entirely bogus - there has always been fewer blue eyed people in the US.
It is true those on social means
But on economic means i think globalization is also a reat thing for the people of the world.
How does OWS feel about globalization? How do feel when a bird poops on you? You think, fucking bird, did you do that intensionally?
What justifies that claim whats wrong with globalization
Stevie, your analogy sucks, considering a bird is not compelled to shit on you for its own profit.
Maybe not but it doesn't care where it shits, does it? Globalists are bird brains.
I can't work with Sarky anymore
I apologies. I thought you were saying that globalization is as uncontrollable as a bird flying over you when it decides to shit. Yeah, they are bird brains.
Globalism can be stopped VERY easily. Nationalism will do the trick. Those that scream globalism is inevitable are part of the problem.
nationalism is actually a very bad thing sometimes. Technology will spread so will processes of manufacturing. Right now we are moving globalization on by communicating on the internet.
It is impossible to stop the movement of people and ideas
Well it's complicated, in point of fact a democratic society built on answering human needs as opposed to rule by corpoRAT profit, restoring the middle class, etc. dictate opposing globalization. However, OWS's hidden elite rulers, such as David Graeber, are all globalists.
We need to throw off Greaeber's protocols -- consensus decision making, etc. and make official OWS demands. An anti-globalization stance would be one of the main ones.
And that's what i did assume all OWS people are like or most of them. I only say most of them because i know many people support the movement and advancement of technology in 3rd world countries
What you miss is the fact that "globalism" is used as a means to advance neoliberalism. One should distinguish between economic globalism and social globalism. Globalism has become an excuse for neo-colonialism. The term provides cover for labor arbitrage and the destruction of communities. http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
both are the same and move hand in hand