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Forum Post: Americans Have Three Choices In November: Bushbamney, Third-Party or Nobody

Posted 2 years ago on May 19, 2012, 4:36 a.m. EST by vvv0519 (1)
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Americans Have Three Choices In November: Bushbamney, Third-Party or Nobody

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results - like voting on false choices in rigged elections with predetermined outcomes.

AMERICANS HAVE THREE CHOICES IN NOVEMBER: BUSHBAMNEY, THIRD-PARTY OR NOBODY

As they've done so many times in the past, on Tuesday 6 November 2012 American voters will go to the polls to decide absolutely nothing. At least not at the presidential level, where electing either corporate-controlled Democratic puppet Obama or corporate-controlled Republican puppet Romney will mean a continuation of perpetual wars for profit and oil abroad and continued constitutional erosion and decline into police-state fascism at home:

http://tinyurl.com/7ybcu7m

Of course they supposedly differ on social and other wedge issues the ruling elite contrive, revive and broadcast incessantly through mainstream media to keep people divided and fighting each other rather united and fighting them. But once they get elected, what really changes?

NOT MUCH.

After two disastrous terms with Dubya, Obama was sold to the Sheeple as "Change" incarnate in 2008. But what really changed? Goldman Sachs alum were in charge at the Treasury under Bush; Goldman Sachs alum are in charge at the Treasury now... Wall Street got bailed out while Main Street got sold out under Bush; that continues under Obama, but now we call it a "jobless recovery"... Our Military/Intelligence/Terrorism Industrial Complex had a blank check under Bush. Our Military/Intelligence/Terrorism Industrial Complex has a blank check now... In Iraq, hundreds of thousands died and trillions of dollars were wasted after Dubya declared "Mission Accomplished"; the death and destruction continues today, long after Obama declared our troops would be "home for the holidays"... Under Bush, we went to war in Afghanistan with Pakistan as our "ally"; under Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama the war has expanded, the situation has worsened, and American bombs and drones are now killing innocent civilians on both sides of the Af-Pak border and around the globe as well... Dubya gave us the USA Patriot Act and AUMF 2001, under which he declared executive authority to waive habeus corpus and hold American citizens in indefinite detention without charge or trial; Obama renewed the Patriot Act and signed NDAA 2012, which codified indefinite detention of American citizens by military as well as civilian authorities... Dubya filled Guantanamo with 9/11 scapegoats; Obama's complicity guarantees none of them will ever get their day in open court... Dubya and Darth first used armed Predator drones to take out suspected terrorists - or innocent men, women and children asleep in their mud huts - in Af-Pak in 2001; Obama signed HR 658 releasing 30,000 such drones into American skies... Dubya used "free speech zones" to corral and avoid American citizens exercising their First Amendment Rights; Obama signed HR 347, making the exercise of those rights where and how it matters most a felony...

I COULD GO ON, BUT YOU GET THE POINT.

It is said that the Republican Party exists to make the Democratic Party look like a viable alternative to wannabe revolutionaries who don't really wanna be revolutionaries. But does it? Clearly the Democrats and Republicans have the same core agenda and answer to the same global elite, so voting for the candidates of either merely perpetuates their "two-party tyranny":

http://tinyurl.com/6om5ckt

So short of storming the Bastille, what options remain for the few Americans who actually give a damn about something other than sports scores, spoiled celebrities, (un)reality shows, choice-limiting apps for their slave-built iPhones and inconsequential updates to their Fakebook pages? Writing for Global Research, Professor Peter Phillips credits Chris Hedges with this suggestion:

"Don't waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate - just enough to register your obstruction and defiance - and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided."

http://tinyurl.com/6oqj9yy

Others will say "Vote for Nobody!" in alignment with Wally Conger's Anti-Electorate Manifesto:

"We, the Anti-Electorate, do not believe there is a need for 'strong leadership' in government. We are not drawn to 'intellectual' authorities and political 'heroes'. We are not impressed with titles, ranks, and pecking orders - politicians, celebrities, and gurus. We do not struggle for control of organizations, social circles, and government. We do not lobby the State for favors or permission to control those with whom we disagree. Rather, we advocate freedom. By its very nature, the State does not. Exercise your right to say "No" to the warfare - welfare system. Refuse to vote. Then tell your friends why."

http://www.anti-politics.ws/

Still others are asking themselves what Thomas Jefferson would do if he were alive to see what a mess we've made of things, and these words of his are really making the rounds:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Personally, I'd like to see us get to what I previously called "that point":

"The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future."

If we can't get to "that point", then storming the Bastille may be the only alternative.

NO MORE LEFT. NO MORE RIGHT. TIME TO UNITE. STAND AND FIGHT!

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[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I believe your infatuation with the presidency has blinded you to how change has always come in America. Do you know that in this highly partisan climate, most of all the real change is happening on a state level, and even if you wanted to see any change on the federal government, You'd be wiser getting third party House members, shit maybe a senator or two. That is how policies change here in the states. The President, worrying about his position, is like fretting over what a cop thinks, and never worrying about the judge. Only political new bees believe change comes through a president it comes though decades of battles on the state level. At least, that's how big business went about owning our political process. Democracy is long, strenuous work. And if you believe you can get the prize in one political election, well then you, sir, have a strong sense of entitlement. We are becoming fascist ' cause only fascist are voting for viable candidates, everyone else is picking the last two options?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

This person's only purpose in posting is to help Romney.

[-] 2 points by PR1 (120) 2 years ago

Well vvv0519 - joined yesterday - no profile information, thanks for telling us what your employer wants us to do. If people vote he might just end up in jail. So sad.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Still talking politics, and getting more democrats elected as the answer to our problems. In the meantime, Chicago's Democratic Mayor Emanuel is showing us what a police state looks like.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'm ready to portest, but I'm not ready to portest for portest sake. What are the people in Chicago trying to get done? The news on the front page either has nothing to do with wealth inequaliy of it's about the protest itself, what are the protests for? I thought I knew but maybe I don't.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You're "ready" to protest. Well that's nice. I just think that if you put a little more energy on here toward the fact that we are going up against a corrupt system that transcends party politics...the fervor of the revolution we need will be maintained. You will not get the sea change we are seeking by having more dems elected.

I am not here to curtail your free speech on this forum. I respect your contributions here, but I in turn do not want this movement to become ineffectual by letting it become a pro democat forum.

Few people here have been as disappointed with Obama as me, as I attended his inaururation on that cold January day, after waiting two hours in NY for a bus that was late When he did nothing to bring justice to the corrupt bankers, and then signed the NDAA....it made me realize how big our problem was, and how this goes far beyond party politics

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So posters like this should go unchallenged?

I've been to both open protest and other actions over decades not just the past few weeks, the reason I don't read my local Occupy site is that it became a diary about the protest all about the actions of the cops against them, well dud, isn't that the point? but just protesting and then writing about nothing but your protest on you front page doesn’t work for me, tell me why you think I should be out there supporting, I know why I hate conservatives and want to remove them from public office, if that is not to be done then what is to be, what are the protest for not just how are they doing, or some comment about some general injustice (aka Travon) but nothing to do with wealth inequality, when do I see the posting on what is killing this country other than by democratic hacks like me.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I think you see postings on what is "killing this country other than by democratic hacks like [you] every day almost. Although I will admit since the recent troll attacks they have been more, as they did bring to light something that I and others did not disagree with strongly earlier. We need systemic change, and that will not happen by devoting a lot of energy to party politics. My opinion: you should transfer most of your anger that is directed at republicans, and put it on the whole rotten corrupt system.

Look at what happened in Wisconsin. The demos have withdrawn their support for a recall. Look at Dem Mayor Emanuel's Chicago, as we tap away here on our LTs or cell for me now, people are getting their heads bashed, broken limbs, and false charges

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I will look about postings dealing with the wealth/tax issue, I have not seen it on my local site and could get nothing on there about it, I don't doubt that the cops abuse their power at the protest, serveral live feeds up over the past few days showing it, but if that's our problem, of course we can fix that, so the wide spread support came when we had the courage to talk about wealth, maybe that will happen again.

[-] 3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

The "wealth/tax issue" that you keep on about is only a symtom of a much bigger problem. We are turning into a fascist state. Can't you see that? You should be enraged at what is happening in Chicago, and the lack of that rage over the years is exactly what got us to this point.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

people died in Ohio, we have just begun...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The wealthy will always impose a fascist state once they become powerful enough to do so you want some half measures to deal with symptoms or do you want to address the disease? I know that dealing with real problems will cause some people to move away, but for me I’ve seen the “system” fixed many times while nothing is done about the accumulation of wealth, so nothing is really done, of course they might let you do a few small changes as long as wealth is not addressed.

[-] 3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

THe fascist state is here, yet you want to keep playing ball on the field that they have designated for us to play on. There will be no home runs on that field, I assure you, as the fences are too far out.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Maybe I mistake your plan repair, are you talking citizens committee to review police violence? are you talking public funding for all election? or are you talking the guillotine for all in authority? how do you propose to address this fascist state while allowing it's masters to retain control? It is here and it will gain in power as long as we allow insanity to write the rules. (was watching what was happening in Chicago I’ve seen it in Alabama and Ohio they fought the same fascist state, for a cause, and sort of won but the disease of wealth still continued to grow, to keep a few on the right happy it seems we are willing to let it keep growing.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I am simply saying that if we want to get the systemic change we need, we will not get it at the voting booth any time soon. The sea change needed will only come when we get enough people out in the streets. I know everyone has different circumstances that might not enable them to be there. They then should do everything they can to support those who are out there.

We are in a titantic struggle. The corrupt political, and financial elite have a lot to lose if we were to succeed. By your persistence in trying to align us with the dems, I believe that you are belittling this noble movement, as they are as near responsible for our current state of fucked-up affairs. That is not to say that pressure/resistance cannot be applied everywhere possible. It's just I feel this forum, this movement has to be based in educating the masses, and it has to be defiant, very defiant to the corrupt status quo.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

What are we educating the masses about, I already know the part about if you make a cop mad he will behave as if he were mad, but other than that is there anything we are trying to say?

So you want change faster than elections can bring? What does that look like?

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Many of us came here knowing that things were screwed up, but did not understand the complete sordid puzzle. Much of what we have learned is what we have to teach people who are at now, where we were perhaps. It is only when we can get enough people out in the streets will we be able to demand change. There undoubtedly will be little victories, and set-backs along the way. This has to remain our strategy. Anything less will give people the false hope that we can do this easily.

Look FRF, I did not plan to spend my retirement screwing around on the streets of NYC, but I will do what I have to to see that my granddaughter grows up in a better world. You and I have enjoyed a cyber friendship here, agreeing on most things, but I vehemently disagree with you in your persistent effort to turn this into a dem vs. repub argument. One more time, this movement is about right vs. wrong, and what has been going on in this country, in the world has been and, continues to be terribly wrong

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It would seem a message would help to motivate people to go to the streets, I thought there was one, the rich are too damn rich, but if that is not the message, I still am of the opinion that that a message, doesn't have to be just one, but at least one would be helpful, it's been a bit since I asked you anything about R v D I am just asking what is it that people are in the streets about? that you meet, here sheriff Joe always gets a crowd out people know him people don't like him, is it really just Wal-Street now?

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You admitted you're a Democratic Party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[+] -6 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

"what is killing this country other than by democratic hacks like me."

Factsrfun admits he's a Democratic Party hack!

Now... get the fuck out of this forum, you Demopublican plant!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

much english?

[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Perhaps the "news on the front page" is deliberately less than informative...

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I just know that my local Editoral Page" became over half about what happened that day, and now there isn't anyone down there hardly, the lady who was suppose to pick the pieces loved the first one I subbmitted, turn it into my bio, then somehow her "bosses" didn't let it on the site and instead some watered down crap went up so after a month or so of trying I gave up,and came here and now the "founders" would just as soon those of us who would like to see something get done this time, they want us to go away so they can bulid some watered down love peace joy thing and let the 1% keep running thing, mostly through their GOP henchmen even though, since the money's there a lot of Ds take it too, but if you don't see the difference you will never see your way out of this thing.

[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

There is a surface difference, a local difference. A social difference. But state and federal? No substantive difference between the parties...

I see that you're supporting Ds. It's your right and by all means vote your conscience, but it means you support the status-quo. You will not find the change we all seek by voting for one party over the other.

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You have admitted you're a Democratic party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't want you to hate yourself, he’s used a lot of girls before, I’m sure.

[+] -4 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

"It is said that the Republican Party exists to make the Democratic Party look like a viable alternative to wannabe revolutionaries who don't really wanna be revolutionaries...."

YEP...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

a lot of things are said, I know for a fact the evil that is the Republican Party I just know they have to be taken down one at a time you are only here to protect the GOP, some may be fooled many often are as they were in 2000:

Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,

It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.

As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,

To keep the planet we’re on from getting, too damn hot.

But Nader thought better his name should be heard.

And Gore was left standing with only his word.

[-] 1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

You would have been disappointed with Gore too. And Ralph can be called many things (not all of them polite), but traitor does not fit...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

He betrayed the truth by telling lies, he was once a truth teller, therefore he IS a traitor.

[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Specifics? If you make an allegation or assertion based on facts, please be kind enough to include those facts.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I saw him say there was no difference between Gore and Bush, which is and was a lie a very imporant lie, at the beginning he said he would not put his name on any state ballot where it was close, another lie, I quite listening to him after that once a lair always

[-] -2 points by fred234 (8) 2 years ago

And the pot calls the kettle black...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

is this really your first day?

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You admitted you're a Democratic Party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Does it suck having to vote for your own comments so that you have more than 1 point. Good to have sock puppet supporters - Hey?

[-] -1 points by eboz987 (-7) 2 years ago

Is it gonna suck when you are fully outed, poser?

[-] -1 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Romney and Obama are the Same Bushbamney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC311qHA1xA

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Romney and Obama are the Same Bushbamney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC311qHA1xA

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'd mostly be disappointed with G. all M. but that doesn't mean voting for Him wouldn't be a good ideal.

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

After two disastrous terms with Dubya, Obama was sold to the Sheeple as "Change" incarnate in 2008. But what really changed? Goldman Sachs alum were in charge at the Treasury under Bush; Goldman Sachs alum are in charge at the Treasury now... Wall Street got bailed out while Main Street got sold out under Bush; that continues under Obama, but now we call it a "jobless recovery"... Our Military/Intelligence/Terrorism Industrial Complex had a blank check under Bush. Our Military/Intelligence/Terrorism Industrial Complex has a blank check now... In Iraq, hundreds of thousands died and trillions of dollars were wasted after Dubya declared "Mission Accomplished"; the death and destruction continues today, long after Obama declared our troops would be "home for the holidays"... Under Bush, we went to war in Afghanistan with Pakistan as our "ally"; under Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama the war has expanded, the situation has worsened, and American bombs and drones are now killing innocent civilians on both sides of the Af-Pak border and around the globe as well... Dubya gave us the USA Patriot Act and AUMF 2001, under which he declared executive authority to waive habeus corpus and hold American citizens in indefinite detention without charge or trial; Obama renewed the Patriot Act and signed NDAA 2012, which codified indefinite detention of American citizens by military as well as civilian authorities... Dubya filled Guantanamo with 9/11 scapegoats; Obama's complicity guarantees none of them will ever get their day in open court... Dubya and Darth first used armed Predator drones to take out suspected terrorists - or innocent men, women and children asleep in their mud huts - in Af-Pak in 2001; Obama signed HR 658 releasing 30,000 such drones into American skies... Dubya used "free speech zones" to corral and avoid American citizens exercising their First Amendment Rights; Obama signed HR 347, making the exercise of those rights where and how it matters most a felony...

I COULD GO ON, BUT YOU GET THE POINT.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Everything that Dubya did, he did with the help of the third party and Ralph Nader, without Ralph none of it would have been possible, talk about insanity how long do we keep letting them get away with this? runoff split our votes when if we stuck together we could crush them all before they knew what hit them, but what am I doing you're just a bot anyway.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So Gore was a shithead? OK got it.

[-] -2 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You have admitted you're a Democratic party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

I disagree, 1963 and 1968 were a coup d'etat. 2000 was a mere garden-variety election theft by the Bush crowd in comparison. (Consider the difference between a company-run political op (election rigging) and assassination to achieve the desired goal.)

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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Congress is budgeting for war in Iran in the NDAA for 2013.

Section 1221 makes war in Iran a US policy. "Declaration of Policy- It shall be the policy of the United States to take all necessary measures, including military action if required, to prevent Iran from threatening the United States, its allies, or Iran's neighbors with a nuclear weapon."

And they're saying the same thing.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Same thing

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. ... for the sake of protecting our friends and allies, the United States will lead a mighty coalition of freedom-loving nations and disarm Saddam Hussein." George W Bush

Same thing

President Obama stated on January 24, 2012, `Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal.'.

Same thing

[-] 2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Focus groups. Americans generally will only support a "new" foreign military adventure if: 1) America itself is attacked; or 2) That an attack upon American soil by a weapon of mass destruction is imminent. Focus groups pinned this down.

Imminency of attack is badly abused of course, and the US doctrine of preemptive strike sees "classified" capability only (in a dual-purpose world) based on mere lack of political affinity and "necessity".

Never forget Hubert's Peak; there is much oil under the Caspian Sea with three viable pipeline routes. One, to Europe, feeds a mature market. Another, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, has the lowest shipping costs to emerging markets in China and India. The third runs through Iran to the Persian Gulf loading platforms.

The Taliban negotiated with oil companies for pipeline rights during the Clinton administration and, in spring 2000, turned the oil companies down flat. No pipeline, no more negotiations, no compromise. The rest, as they say, is history.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No more oil wars.

The solution is simple.

We have the technology people. Don't let fossil fuel continue to destroy the world.

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

you forgot the ficus tree option

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Nader the traitor has crawled under a rock,

It’s the only place safe from the things that he wrot.

As millennia approached us, we had one last shot,

To keep the planet we’re on from getting, too damn hot.

But Nader thought better his name should be heard.

And Gore was left standing with only his word.

PS you’re an idiot.

[+] -4 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Romney and Obama are the Same Bushbamney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC311qHA1xA

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

How stupid do you have to be? They are even the same race let alone the same person they were born at different times and everything, if you have an actuall point be glad to discussed it.

[+] -5 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

The primary point here was made by the OP. To that, Factsrfun, I'd like to add that you are obviously a cheerleader for the Democratic Party and would probably piss your pants if you were forced to hit the streets and protest.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You don't know shit about protesting that's clear, and beside the point, If you ever read my stuff you would I'm as much danger to the dem as Rs, I just know it must be done one at a time, you are onl;y here to protect the Rs fearful that people who care about wealth inequaliy start voting like they do the you and your GOP budies are swrewed as is most the Ds, after the Rs are gone.

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

I've read your brainwashed Demopublican propaganda, Factsrfun, and doing so raises this question:

Are you a liar, a fool, or both?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC311qHA1xA

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I know Romney been on every side of every issue doese it ever get to where Obama says he don't want you to have coverage?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

now are you justt a lair or was that the wrong link? have I proved you a lair already? Do you have no footage of Obama saying people shouldn't have healthcoverage, kindof blows you whole point doesn't it? Well what would you know you are just another lair, how can anyone trust what you say now?

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3990) 2 years ago

Heads up factsrfun, I hope you know you've got Trashy on the line there.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I ain't afraid of no ghost..

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[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

spreadin' the word, spreadin' the word, spreadin' the word, spread, spread spreadin' the woooord...

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[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

When have I ever lied? or prehaphs you'd like to prove me a fool, well come on down if you think you're up to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chagwk0IyA0

[+] -4 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Who do you think you're fooling, Factsrfun? You put a pro-Dem spin on just about everything you post. And other posters have called you out many times for posting unsupported statistics and outright lies. Your "karma" may be 4652 but your credibility is ZERO.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

why don't you go ahead and do it here if you think you can "calling out" comes right before crawling back under a rock every time

[+] -4 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You have admitted you're a Democratic party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

if jart wants me gone he knows how to do it, you call me a hack so i choose not to agure I put up my posts in respond the comment was not a "reply" to you do you know the difference? tell you what you tell me what you think we should do to fix this problem maybe I will throw the Ds under the bus and support your ideals, now what are they?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

The trolls are a perfect reverse barometer. If they don't want people in OWS to vote so much, we know what the right thing to do is.

able132 is the oldest troll we got (Tr@shy).

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I ain't afraid of no ghost..

but I am I talking to one? this might go to my head, if I didn't have that whole zen thing working for me ;).

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I'm still haunting the attic, when I get a chance. LOL

[-] 0 points by elderberry (3) 2 years ago

Way to go guys.Good example of what it wrong with this country. They(1%) have got you just where they want you. Figure out what to do with this behavior and maybe we might have a fighting chance. I say this after spending some time reading the same type of conversation here for some time. And many years of message boards same same. What to do??? Can Americans grow up and learn how to have mature intelligent conversations?? If not we are doomed. Damm I just did same. See how it works. meanwhile up on the top.

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[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

There can be no democracy in America so long as our so-called "democratic" elections are rigged inside and out and controlled by a two-party oligopoly that is in turn controlled by the global fascist elite. To get from where we are now to where we need to be, our system of "two-party tyranny" must end. Show us some sincere personal contributions towards that end - i.e. in the streets direct action - then we'll go from there...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do not see what your problem is with voting out those in office right now that are visibly working against the people.

There is no third party at the moment. So while one is being sought - put together - we need to vote out of office all who support the greedy corrupt criminals of WallStreet and corporate America.

Support those who support us "THE PEOPLE".

WTF is wrong with that?

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Support OWS and the world.

Vote out any and all politicians that do not support the Constitution.

Look at voting records - some politicians actually are trying to support the Constitution - The People.

Support those who support a stronger EPA.

Support those that Support regulation of WallStreet.

Support those that support OSTA.

Support those that support the repeal of corporate personhood.

Support those that support getting money out of politics.

Support those that support ending earmarks.

Support those that support ending insider trading in government.

Support those that support ending subsidies to fossil fuel tobacco and other subsidies like them.

Support those who support green power and transportation technology.

[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

That's the problem... you don't see a problem.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey - where is the official link to voting rules and ballot procedure that shows writing in no consent has any use other then opting out???

[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Hey - where is the official link to voting rules and ballot procedure that shows writing in no consent has any use other then opting out???


If you require something "official", like permission, then you'll see little change. If you don't understand the power of democratic choice, I can't explain it...

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You offer no path to a solution. You don't offer a solution!. You offer only criticism. well guess what? we all hate the system, and the corruption, But we offer a path. You disagree, but it is a path. Peaceful protest/pressure on the party closest to our beliefs. Co opting a party, working within the corrupt system, Small chance of success? Yes. But a plan! You offer nothing but attacks on ideas you don't agree with. You are unproductive because you don't want success, You want the 1% to maintain they're control. Support OWS. Vote out pro wall st politicians

[-] -1 points by eboz987 (-7) 2 years ago

Yeah, yeah, "Vote for Obama". You're a broken record, VQkag.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So you support pro wall st politicians?. Then you admit you are a plant for the 1%! eboz, able, hank, doug, And how many others. You are so clever. but you certainly support pro wall st politicians since you disagree with my last post. lets try this one? Support OWS. Vote out anti EPA politicians.

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[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 2 years ago

Bushobmney? Please. It's "Obamitt", pronounced "Oh, bomb it".

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

What should we do?

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[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

If not voting for Goldman Sachs, war and twin-party way of life... then what?

A popular, democratic vote to force Congress to call an Article V Convention?

Why?

Because, simply put, corrupt twin-party politics as usual is destroying our nation and democratic values… and has been for some time. Elite, corporate and government conduct is become so egregious people are taking notice and asking the right questions. But fact is, there is no direct, democratic means for us, we the people, to challenge our own government when it becomes corrupt, despotic and tyrannical.

We ought try to change that, Constitutionally. In the 2012 elections. By presenting American voters a stark choice... either support the status-quo or oppose it. With sufficient votes, our "NO CONSENT" opposition vote can force Congress to issue an Article V Convention call, thereby invoking Constitutional means to propose amendments to effect changes we all agree necessary -- the Separation of Wealth and State -- removal of all elite and corporate money from both electoral and representative political process.

Our founders did too good a job containing “mobocracy” (which they defined as an excess of democracy) and protecting the elite. And while I am fine with private ownership, even great wealth, we must draw the line at great wealth corrupting our democracy and government, bullying the world and buying favors at our expense...

… and there is NO democratic alternative to the elite's "heads I win, tails you lose" twin-party political game?

I don't think so...

It's our Constitution, our government and our vote. It's our decision.

A Convention will not runaway from us, we wield our votes, but is capable of ripping control away from the elite, their corporations and politicians.

Many argue the right and left have been trying to call an Article V Convention for years. I think not. By all credible accounts, more than enough state petitions were tendered for Congress to call a Convention long ago. In fact, it is un-Constitutional for Congress to refuse to call one...

Tell every sitting Representative and Senator: This is our petition for redress of our grievances; either call a Convention now, before the elections, or we will withdraw our consent to be governed in your election and force the issue... Would any candidate be seen as a legitimate Representative, Senator or President if a plurality of us opposed them by voting NO CONSENT in their election?

Voting to withdraw our consent to be governed is a Constitutional crisis for the elite...

Just because it is a peaceful revolution does not make it any less a power struggle. Nor any less effective. OWS emphasizes its process. Our process, voting, is every American's Constitutional heritage and democratic obligation -- if we want politics to be more fair and democratic, we must make it so.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So don't vote? But if they don't want a mobocracy shouldn't we get everyone to vote. wouldn't that give the people real representation. and wouldn't politicians be forced to do what we want if everyone voted.?

[+] -4 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Write-in "NO CONSENT" in each election for Representative, Senator and President.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

If the OWS (left leaning) supporters vote no consent then wouldn't right wing wackos take over? Is that your goal? you sound intelligent but I don't see how letting right wing wackos have free reign is good for anyone except the 1%.

[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

No. The vote is intended to end twin-party politics as usual by providing a useful alternative to voting for the two-party regime.

[-] 0 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We can take one of the parties back to serve the 99%. You must believe. It will take years to grow this movement. Be patient. don't give up. The 99% can do anything. Don't throw your vote away! Vote out anti 99% politicians. we can do it. together with peaceful protest. continual pressure. We need you!

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[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Highly doubtful. I'm not much on belief. Show me facts and a plan based on facts.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here is a fact for you, and there are others showing support for the American people.

http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-54b9-4193-86a4-ec2c39342c6c

Why opt-out when we do have people like Bernie Sanders to support. He is not alone - look at legislation and look at those for and against.

Support those in office who are trying to work for the people - kick the rest of them out.

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We need you!. All of the 99%. We can do it. It's the last best hope. Public campaign funding! repeal citizens united, tax the wealthy.! get on board! You disagree?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Really?

[-] 0 points by DSams (124) 0 minutes ago

Highly doubtful. I'm not much on belief. Show me facts and a plan based on facts. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


Then perhaps you should provide some facts.

[-] 0 points by DSams (124) 1 day ago

No, the write-in votes must be counted and reported. The mark, "NO CONSENT", must be consistent voter to voter. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


Show us the facts of how this is not just throwing away our vote!


[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (7402) from Coon Rapids, MN 32 minutes ago

Hey - where is the official link to voting rules and ballot procedure that shows writing in no consent has any use other then opting out??? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle edit delete permalink

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

write in NO WAR

[-] 0 points by alterorabolish1 (569) 2 years ago

If we were to write in "NO CONSENT", would those votes be thrown out? It might be simpler and more effective to vote for someone on the ballot. I agree with Chris Hedges idea of voting for anyone but a democrat or republican.

[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

No, the write-in votes must be counted and reported. The mark, "NO CONSENT", must be consistent voter to voter.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

What we should NOT do is vote for Bushbamney. They DO make a lovely couple, though, don't they?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58687716@N05/7226679270

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Simplistic. The parties are seriously flawed, because of corp corruption but they are vastly different. One can be made to work for the 99%. The other is too far gone.

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[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You are either uninformed, in denial, or one of those "wannabe revolutionaries who don't really wanna be revolutionaries".

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

"uninformed"? insulting and untrue. "in denial" nope also offensive. "Wannabe...." Whatever. Your personal attacks on me betray the weakness of your argument. We disagree. Thats all. You think the parties are the same, I don't. Support OWS. Vote out anti regulation republicans!

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You cannot challenge any of the facts in the original posting. And if those facts are correct, then the author's conclusions are irrefutable. And if those conclusion are irrefutable and you deny them, then my assertion was not a personal attack but a statement of fact.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

It's seems simplistic to me. I refute it all. The parties are very different. Support OWS. Vote out pro war republicans.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You can't just sat "I refute it all" and it's so, Grasshopper. Facts trump beliefs. If you have any corrections to the facts in the original posting, I'd love to see them with links to support them. If all you have to offer is the output of a faulty belief system, then please show us all the courtesy of keeping it to yourself.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You are clearly not interested in courtesy!. I have only been couteous. We disagree. You appear to want people to give up. stay home. it doesn't matter what we do. don't vote! throw away your vote with a 3rd party. That is exactly what the 1% want. We must vote!! We can make the dems work for the 99%, the republicans are too far gone. Support OWS. Vote out anti alternative energy republicans.!

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Are you thick? Voting for either the Democrats OR the Republicans is a vote FOR the 1%!

If you truly oppose the 1% you will NOT vote for Bushbamney, Bambi...

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We can take the system back from the 1%. Constant pressure on the politicians. The dems can be made to work for the 99%. The repubs are too far gone. retreating to a wasted, split the vote 3rd party is what the 1% want. They do not stand in the way of that effort. They ARE fighting against OWS because they are afraid that enough left leaning voters will get excited, informed and vote their interests with the Dems. It is republicans and tea party who attack OWS. not Dems. You are playing into the 1% hands if you encourage OWS (primarily left leaning) voters to throw away their votes with a third party. Perhaps you know that. perhaps thats what you want. Are you a republican? Support OWS. Vote out anti obamacare republicans

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They are also trying to get an Article V convention called so that they can steal and Trash the Constitution.

Yes the corrupt are under attack and they have little in the way of defense as long as the public maintains pressure they are losing.

[-] 0 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I heard something about that. maybe here. not sure. can we prevent that? How?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sounds so much like the corrupt greedy criminals and their supporters in government.


[-] 1 points by VQkag (637) 10 minutes ago

Agreed, these guys seem to be anti voting, anti dem, lets give up wah wah wah! no hope. I cant have my way. Everyone is stupid but me! They're like spoiled brats. its comical ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Spread awareness.

If we can not get the people to own their political process and participate fully.

Well then there will be no good result from an Article V convention.

Likely the process will be stolen by the bums that we need to get out of office right now. In service of the Koch's and other corrupt entities.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Agreed, these guys seem to be anti voting, anti dem, lets give up wah wah wah! no hope. I cant have my way. Everyone is stupid but me! They're like spoiled brats. its comical

[-] -3 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

No "they" are not... And factually, at the moment, the corrupt are not losing -- this is what we must change and what NO CONSENT is intended to kick-off.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah you go ahead and provide a link that is official on rules of voting and show us all where voting no consent or whatever will help. Show us how that is counted and how it effects the ballot.

Prove that it is more than just opting-out.

Slick bastard.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

C'mon now DK, you know that ain't happenin'.

The don't vote crowd has been trying for a co-opt for a long time now.

Here's what I say to that: As dumb as it can sometimes feel to vote, it is even dumber not to.

VOTING is even more important on the State level where ALEC has been working it's evil for decades.

[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

I suggest reading the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Again, if you require "official" rules and permission you will not accomplish much. If you do not understand the power of large blocs of citizens supporting a real democratic alternative to the twin-party political game, then I cannot enlighten you.

Tell you what, you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine.

In any case, I'll not answer your posts again, simply because you seem incapable of respecting any other person's right to disagree.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I was intending on taken a day off and voting my conscious

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Provide an official voters rules and rights link.

Put-up or Shut-up!

Show the American people how writing in no consent will do anything more than throw away their vote.

Do It.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (7402) from Coon Rapids, MN 29 minutes ago

Yeah you go ahead and provide a link that is official on rules of voting and show us all where voting no consent or whatever will help. Show us how that is counted and how it effects the ballot.

Prove that it is more than just opting-out.

Slick bastard. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


[-] 1 points by DSams (124) 0 minutes ago

I suggest reading the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Again, if you require "official" rules and permission you will not accomplish much. If you do not understand the power of large blocs of citizens supporting a real democratic alternative to the twin-party political game, then I cannot enlighten you.

Tell you what, you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine.

In any case, I'll not answer your posts again, simply because you seem incapable of respecting any other person's right to disagree. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -3 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You are so naive. The 1% don't care if you vote Democrat or Republican so long as you perpetuate the two-party oligopoly that THEY control. The Democrats don't attack OWS for the same reason the Republicans didn't attack the Tea Party: They want to co-opt us, using the (not really) opposition party to chase us into the co-optation corral.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

name calling? You didn't answer. Are you a republican? The Dems can be made to improve fin regs, health care, citizens united, immigration, military spending, they are closer to where I want to go. They support OWS because they want our votes and support our goals. You are against democrats because you are a republican. Right? tea bag boy!

[-] 1 points by freedomfighter777 (156) 2 years ago

I believe that his ascertain of your naivety is correct, no disrespect intended. You suggest that dems are closer? Closer to what martial law? In my opinion if you consider yourself a democrat or a republican you are drinking the kool-aid. Most people , such as yourself, list these insignificant social issues as the reason for sticking with either party. The reason I call important social issues insignificant is because none of them will matter when we have no rights. It is funny to me how hard it is for you partisan political cheerleader to see this. For example congress has nearly shut down over budgets a few times and often lock horns on many other issues. However the rights of its citizens is not one of them. The way both parties pass bipartisan constitutional atrocities such as the extension of the patriot act,NDAA, H.R.347, H.R.658 and NDRP ( which was an executive order by your buddy Obama) Candidates from both parties ,such as Obamney are, are both given large contributions from the same donors such as Goldman Sachs (Obama's #2 donor in 08 is also now funding both Romney and Obama, Red flags abound) and other wall street firms such as JPmorgan chase seem to be no different. If our vote actually do count it still leaves us only the choice of voting for one of the two wall street owned bad actors. This would lead one to believe that the only way to stop the insanity would be in fact to elect a third party candidate assuming that he/she was able to resist the temptation to carve in to the copious amounts of money and pressure that will be thrown at them.Obama's tyrannical executive order NDRP clearly displays that presidents do in fact have the power to change things for the worse without congress or the senate so yes it is important that we elect a third party president. However we must simultaneously vote out all congress and senate members who have voted for any of the for-mentioned constitutional atrocities. Our only choice , in my opinion, is to get the legions of occupiers and those of other such freedom movements to band together and get politically active for the sole purpose of protecting our rights this will also require us to try to actively wake up many of the sheeple. This is no easy task. We also run the risk of many of our fallowers being indoctrinated by the political machine like that which has already happened by the bulk of the teaparty movement by the GOP and OWS by the democrat funded change,org goons. Like I said no easy task but consider the alternative. Once H.R.658 comes into full effect we will have 30,000 drones ( some of which will be predator drones) controlling the skies of the US. Id be willing to bet that will be the precisely time that we will see all these constitutional atrocities beginning to in forced and abused across the board. We indeed live in percarious times my friends wake up and get involved.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I would love a 3rd party option. It don't exist.! I agree both parties have been corrupted it is difficult to see differences for some. The parties are not the same! they are vastly different! We disagree! One is hated by big oil, wall st, big pharma, big agri, the 1%. One party is loved by them. we can co opt the dems. repubs are too far gone. Theres an election in 5 mos. we can pressure all pols to serve the 99%. don't throw your vote away! Vote out pro norquist politicians, vote out pro citizens united pols.!

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[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Let me break it down for you, plant:

We must vote!

Knock yourself out. Just don't vote Democrat or Republican. The 1% own those parties.

We must co opt the Dem party since the republicans are too far gone

Idiot. It's good cop bad cop tag team. They used the Democrats to co-opt the Tea Party into the GOP, and they (YOU) are using the Republicans to co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party.

you must turn away from the dark side that is the tea party

Fuck the "tea party" references. It has already been co-opted. If people listen to plants like you, OWS will soon be an empty label too.

We need each other.

I guess you missed this. Twice: "The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future."

If we can grow this movement and continue to put non violent pressure on all politicians especially dems we can get the things we need.

Idiot. The Democrats are owned by the same people that own the Republicans. Puppets don't give a shit about "pressure". They're PUPPETS for Christ's sake!

repeal citizens united

Citizens United enabled SuperPACs ... like Bushbamney's. And do you have any fucking clue what it takes to overturn a Supreme Court decision without fire and pitchforks?

mandatory voting for all

Idiot. That's straight out of the fascist's playbook. And you have no clue why, do you?

public health ins option

Do you mean Romney's plan to enrich the insurance companies, Obama's plan which had the same goal, or did you mean to say "free public health care for all"?

public funding of elections

Won't do any good so long as the corporations control the minds of the Sheeple through the media and the elite control the outcome of elections through rigged voting machines and - if necessary - judicial overrides.

Glass steagel

Are you referring to the key investor protection provisions repealed through the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 by Democratic President Bill Clinton?

Buffet rule,

It's spelled "Buffett", moron. So my guess is you have no idea what that non-existent rule is or the impact it might (not) have.

onshoring of good jobs,

LMFAO. And at so many levels.

alternative energy,

If you are suggesting Big Oil owns Republicans but no Democrats, read this:

http://corporategreedchronicles.com/2011/11/25/chevron-oil-big-boat-for-condi-big-bucks-for-bushbama/

affordable college,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

debt forgiveness,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

prosecution of criminals who crashed economy.

Bush didn't do shit. Bushbama didn't do shit. Bushbamney won't do shit.

Support OWS.

I do much more so than YOU.

vote out anti above issue republicans.

But keep their Democratic counterparts at all costs, right?

Whatta ya say. are you with us.?

FUCK NO!

Give up the republicans they don't represent you.

GIVE UP THE DEMOCRATS TOO!

(And FUCK YOU and all the rest of the Demopublican plants infesting this forum. You will NOT co-opt OWS while I breathe.)

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So there is no left and right in your world? its a circle? Whatever. people we gotta vote don't let anyone bully you into giving up the right that others have died for. do not give up. This guy just wants to keep progressives from voting for dems so that his right wing wacko friends can have free reign. Don't believe his negativeness. We can get our country back if we protest together. Support OWS. Pressure Dems and Repubs to support our issues.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What is anarchism?

Anarchism is the movement for social justice through freedom. It is concrete, democratic and egalitarian. It has existed and developed since the seventeenth century, with a philosophy and a defined outlook that have evolved and grown with time and circumstance. Anarchism began as what it remains today: a direct challenge by the underprivileged to their oppression and exploitation. It opposes both the insidious growth of state power and the pernicious ethos of possessive individualism, which, together or separately, ultimately serve only the interests of the few at the expense of the rest.

Anarchism promotes mutual aid, harmony and human solidarity, to achieve a free, classless society - a cooperative commonwealth. Anarchism is both a theory and practice of life. Philosophically, it aims for perfect accord between the individual, society and nature. In an anarchist society, mutually respectful sovereign individuals would be organised in non-coercive relationships within naturally defined communities in which the means of production and distribution are held in common.

Anarchists, are not simply dreamers obsessed with abstract principles. We know that events are ruled by chance, and that people’s actions depend much on long-held habits and on psychological and emotional factors that are often anti-social and usually unpredictable. We are well aware that a perfect society cannot be won tomorrow. Indeed, the struggle could last forever! However, it is the vision that provides the spur to struggle against things as they are, and for things that might be.

Whatever the immediate prospects of achieving a free society, and however remote the ideal, if we value our common humanity then we must never cease to strive to realise our vision. If we settle for anything less, then we are little more than beasts of burden at the service of the privileged few, without much to gain from life other than a lighter load, better feed and a cosier berth.

Ultimately, only struggle determines outcome, and progress towards a more meaningful community must begin with the will to resist every form of injustice.

In general terms, this means challenging all exploitation and defying the legitimacy of all coercive authority. If anarchists have one article of unshakeable faith then it is that, once the habit of deferring to politicians or ideologues is lost, and that of resistance to domination and exploitation acquired, then ordinary people have a capacity to organise every aspect of their lives in their own interests, anywhere and at any time, both freely and fairly.

Anarchism encompasses such a broad view of the world that it cannot easily be distilled into a formal definition. Michael Bakunin, the man whose writings and example over a century ago did most to transform anarchism from an abstract critique of political power into a theory of practical social action, defined its fundamental tenet thus: In a word, we reject all privileged, licensed, official, and legal legislation and authority, even though it arise from universal suffrage, convinced that it could only turn to the benefit of a dominant and exploiting minority, and against the interests of the vast enslaved majority.

Anarchists do not stand aside from popular struggle, nor do they attempt to dominate it. They seek to contribute to it practically whatever they can, and also to assist within it the highest possible levels both of individual self-development and of group solidarity. It is possible to recognise anarchist ideas concerning voluntary relationships, egalitarian participation in decision-making processes, mutual aid and a related critique of all forms of domination in philosophical, social and revolutionary movements in all times and places.

Elsewhere, the less formal practices and struggles of the more indomitable among the propertyless and disadvantaged victims of the authority system have found articulation in the writings of those who on brief acquaintance would appear to be mere millenarian dreamers. Far from being abstract speculations conjured out of thin air, such works have, like all social theories, been derived from sensitive observation. They reflect the fundamental and uncontainable conviction nourished by a conscious minority throughout history that social power held over people is a usurpation of natural rights: power originates in the people, and they alone have, together, the right to wield it.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Well? Are you a republican.? did i get that right. OWS can co opt the Dems. Just as the Tea party is attempting with repubs. Whatta ya think? Come on board. Stand with us. Support OWS. Vote out tea party republicans. no new name callin?

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

What is DKAtoday? A Koch Whore, a RepubliCon, or a Repelican? ABSOLUTELY NOT. These people are attacking OWS from the front! DKAtoday - like Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, VQkag, that idiot Shooz and others - are Judas Goats sent here to stab us in the back and co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party where we can once again be easily controlled.

I hear they may all be doxed soon. If and when that happens, I encourage you to put the info to good use...

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So other people disagree with you and so they (we) are evil? What should we do throw our votes away and give everything to the right wing 1%. That would be the result of your plan. That doesn't help the 99% I know. What you suggest is what the 1% want. Get progressives to throw their votes away. Your anger at my description of your plan shows I'm correct. Don't you see that? c'mon. you are uncovered? you are a republican aren't you? admit it? embrace it!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

WormTongueTrashy123 speaks and says OPT-OUT.

Who benefits from that ? The corrupt - The Koch's.

[-] 0 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Poser? Already you give up? with schoolyard taunts.? How can we "topple the 2 party tyranny"? by wasting my progressive vote with no consent.? THAT WILL SIMPLY TURN OVER THE GOVT TO RIGHT WING 1%'RS! I won't do what they want. I will attempt to take back the dem party. My way is possible. Your way will guarentee 1% victory.

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

To clueless VQkag: This has not been a "disagreement" you moron. Facts were presented. You chose to deny them but failed to refute them. You may want 2 plus 2 to equal 5, but my advising you that it equals 4 does not mean we are "disagreeing". It simply means you are being irrational.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739530

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Even more desperate drivel from an outed pro-regime propagandist plant trying desperately to prove his worthiness to Bushbamney and their common corporate fascist masters.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739495

[-] -3 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Apparently some folks are very attached to the elite's "us vs. them" political mythology.

[-] -2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Yeah sure me too. In the meantime, the in between time there is an election and if we have power as a movement we should use it to get existing pols on the record, pressure them to follow through and attempt to make change. what do you suggest as a course of action to "end the current status quo"

[-] -3 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Tell every sitting Representative and Senator: This is our petition for redress of our grievances; either call a Convention now, before the elections, or we will withdraw our consent to be governed in your election and force the issue... Would any candidate be seen as a legitimate Representative, Senator or President if a plurality of us opposed them by voting NO CONSENT in their election?

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Did you forget everything you should have learned yesterday, poser? Toppling the the two-party tyranny of the Democrats and Republicans is how to "end the current status quo".

[-] -2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Yeah they are both compromised. but the dems can be made to serve the 99%. The repubs are too far gone. If we throw our vote away we are playing into the hands of the 1%.

[-] -1 points by freedomfighter777 (156) 2 years ago

You dont get it the dems to not serve the 99% they pander to them you have been fully indoctrinated by the democratic machine. Your believe the "hope and change rhetoric" when you are clearly ignoring the bipartisan constitutional atrocities they have committed. Stop watching your TV you are clearly brain washed unplug for a while and do your own research.You are using emotions only not facts.

[-] -2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

@Single voice-The Dems WILL be made to serve the 99%. The repubs are too far gone. Just vote the issues. Vote out pro citizens united pols, pro norquist pols, vote out anti fin regulation pols, anti obamacare pols. Vote out anti green energy, climate denying pols. This is not a fantasy. Stop lying to these people. Continual peaceful protest/pressure on all pols can work. Don't give in to those who have given up. Be strong don't be weak. the 99% can do anything.

[-] -2 points by SingleVoice (158) 2 years ago

I disagree...the dems accept more money from the 1% than the repubs..they can't be made to do anything, they just tell you what you want to hear so you'll vote for them. They lie to your face every day. And they're good at it because you believe them. They're even more corrupt because they have you all fooled into voting for them yet they are part of the 1%. Vote them all out, dems and repubs and start with fresh people with fresh ideas.

[-] -3 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

I do not advise we throw our votes away. I simply advocate we vote to end to current elite twin-party political status-quo -- Constitutionally.

[-] -2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Some people? The whole country! Don't be blind! It IS us vs them. 99% vs 1%. We can get the dems to work for the 99%. The repubs/tea party are already too far gone with the 1%. Come with us. Support OWS. Vote out pro big oil republicans.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

@freedomfighter777 All of the rights we have lost started long ago. some were recently buried in the military budget. you can't veto that successfully. you can undo it with executive order as he has. WE must undo these things through court challenges. the Dems can be made to serve us even on these issues that they have failed so miserably on. But we must provide real pressure. We have been asleep. In any event this President has taken the 1st steps to undo the errosion of our rights. It will take years and it will not happen if we stop protesting. And it certainly won't happen if we throw away our votes split the progressive votes and turn over more of the govt to the repubs. Vote out anti alt energy politicians

[-] 0 points by freedomfighter777 (156) 2 years ago

Repeating the same rhetoric doesnt make you right. Since you are clearly incapable of displaying facts please answer me this. We will both stand in agreement that the republicans are corrupt. As far as your precious democrats go if the stood for the best interest of the 99% why did the co author and help pass the special indefinite detention provisions in NDAA,H.R.347, H.R. 658, and why did your democratic golden boy pass the executive order NDRP? What excuses do you also make for the fact that he not only refused to prosecute wall street executives but made many of them members of his cabinet. Which seems understandable given the fact that his campaign was largely funded by wall street.

[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Sorry. Both Rs and Ds are compromised IMO. Vote "NO CONSENT".

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So? What issues do you care about? and are you pushing "no consent" on the tea party?

Speak up!

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

we are half way there with D's. Your solution starts over completely. I would love that. When it seems more possible I will be there. but right now we an election in 5 months! Lets occupy every campaign office. Lets get pols on record regarding the issues we care about. What do you care about? besides tearing everything down? Lets grow the movement! lets peacefully protest and pressure all pols to follow through if they dont we have another election in 2 years or we could try recalls. This country has taken years to screw up. It will years to unscrew it up. and what did the tea party say when you proposed your no consent plan to them? But you didn't present it did you.? Telling.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I like recalls support the good people of Wisconsin and pray for their success on June 5th.

Kick Walker and all his Koch crony's to the curb.

Wisconsin show us how it gets done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We disagree. Thats all. The interested party I work for is the 99%. I say work in the system. You say no. I cuold easily accuse you of working for republicans by getting progressives to split the left wing vote. we can't take down this system. we may co opt an existing party. THAT may be possible. Support OWS. Vote out pro norquist politicians, anti citizens united politicians.

[-] -3 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

The Rs have not been co-opted by the Tea Party -- it's the other way around... And you state "authoritatively" we "can't take down this system." Really? You know this for a fact? Now co-opting a party, that's easy of course...

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

More than 40% of us vote "no consent" by staying home. They disregard that. They want that. You are suggesting a course of action that the 1% loves. I can sign your petition. I will not give my vote to the 1%. Pressure on the party that can be made to serve the 1%. Support OWS. Vote out anti Alternative energy politicians.

[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Staying home is NOT the same as voting "NO CONSENT". And if the 1% "love" this plan... why so much resistance and fear from both parties? This is, at base, a public no confidence vote that any voter, for any reason, can participate in. Right, left, center does not matter. You want people to come together "democratically"?

[+] -4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

voting "no consent" will not work. I disagree. We will not have enough people doing so. I'm sorry. That is the reality. What you will do is take progressive voters (OWS supporters) out of the election and turn over more of the govt to the 1%. This is what the 1% wants. Neither party is afraid of this no consent strategy because it is not even on their radar. You are mistaken. increase turn out! the 1% fears that! (look @ their efforts with ALEC) Inform people and encourage that they vote their interests and peacefully protest/pessure all pols to address our concerns.. the 1% fear that (look @ their media treatment/police tactics) work in the system, co opt a party. it is the only way! It's our only hope. Vote out pro citizens united politicians.

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[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Possibly. Absent support, certainly not -- but then absent support nothing will work will it? And the point is that NO CONSENT is not on the elite's radar... precisely the point. As far as turning "more of the govt to the 1%"? They pretty much own it lock, stock and barrel right now. We lose just as much under the Ds as under Rs these days.

Save your breath.

The only conclusions I can reach, reading your posts, is that you are either an idealist (and do not know the facts regarding elite control over the parties) or work for one of the parties or an interested person or organization.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You are obviously not serious. but it is comical as well as offensive and disrespectful. i guess you are not to be taken serious.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

And you are too persistent to be "naive". You must therefore be either a Demopublican plant or a "wannabe revolutionary who doesn't really wanna be a revolutionary". Either way, you can kiss my dog's ass.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

We must vote! We must co opt the Dem party since the republicans are too far gone. you must turn away from the dark side that is the tea party. We need each other. If we can grow this movement and continue to put non violent pressure on all politicians especially dems we can get the things we need. repeal citizens united, mandatory voting for all, public health ins option. public funding of elections. Glass steagel, Buffet rule, onshoring of good jobs, alternative energy, affordable college, debt forgiveness, prosecution of criminals who crashed economy. Support OWS. vote out anti above issue republicans. Whatta ya say. are you with us.? Give up the republicans they don't represent you.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Of course the republiclans represent me
....................... . . . . . . . . . ................................................... david & charles & grover

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

They represent big oil, big wall st banks, big pharma, big agri, big insur, not the 99% Support OWS. Vote out anti 99% republicans

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

The Democrats ALSO represent "big oil, big wall st banks, big pharma, big agri, big insur, not the 99%", duncecap.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Some dems have. But now these big corp interests are fighting the dems like they are facing the end of the world. They have watered down the dems efforts at fin reform, health reform, alt energy/cap n trade. that is the truth. I don't need a link to see that reality. If you pretend otherwise it further shows your republican leanings. Support OWS. Vote out anti alt energy republicans

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[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

I have NO republican leanings, you clueless clown. The Democrats are corporate-controlled. The Republicans are corporate-controlled. Their candidates and legislators are the left-hand and right-hand puppets of the same masters that YOU are working for - whether you realize it or not.

P.S. Are you copying DKAtoday's propaganda, or are you DKAtoday?

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I am who I am. never used another login. never played the forum games I've heard so much about. Games that I see you playing too. Just the facts ma'am. throwing our votes away serves the 1%. If you push it. you serve the 1% as well. Whether you know it or not. You seem young and emotional. And your personal attacks are certainly republican. Maybe you don't realize your ailment. I think there is a test for that.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

If you don't want to throw your vote away, then don't vote Demopublican. That was the main message of the original posting. That's been the main message of every reply I've given you. Like your accomplices, you try to paint me as a Republican to hide your Democratic partisan agenda. But nobody's gonna buy it except the rest of the pro-regime propaganda squad.

FUCK THE REPUBLICANS. FUCK THE DEMOCRATS. AND FUCK YOU.

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Throwing away our progressive votes is your only goal. That much is true. But you offer nothing else because you want nothing else! You have nothing else. Your vision is vacant. You want progressives to throw away our votes so your true goal of getting republicans elected can come to pass. You have nothing but non voting to offer. what next? what else? Support OWS. Vote out anti union republicans.!

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[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

LMFAO. Give up! I win! Vote out anti obamacare republicans

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[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

And by the way why is it you don't support mandatory voting. Who exactly should be excluded?

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[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Let me break it down for you, plant:

We must vote!

Knock yourself out. Just don't vote Democrat or Republican. The 1% own those parties.

We must co opt the Dem party since the republicans are too far gone

Idiot. It's good cop bad cop tag team. They used the Democrats to co-opt the Tea Party into the GOP, and they (YOU) are using the Republicans to co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party.

you must turn away from the dark side that is the tea party

Fuck the "tea party" references. It has already been co-opted. If people listen to plants like you, OWS will soon be an empty label too.

We need each other.

I guess you missed this. Twice: "The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future."

If we can grow this movement and continue to put non violent pressure on all politicians especially dems we can get the things we need.

Idiot. The Democrats are owned by the same people that own the Republicans. Puppets don't give a shit about "pressure". They're PUPPETS for Christ's sake!

repeal citizens united

Citizens United enabled SuperPACs ... like Bushbamney's. And do you have any fucking clue what it takes to overturn a Supreme Court decision without fire and pitchforks?

mandatory voting for all

Idiot. That's straight out of the fascist's playbook. And you have no clue why, do you?

public health ins option

Do you mean Romney's plan to enrich the insurance companies, Obama's plan which had the same goal, or did you mean to say "free public health care for all"?

public funding of elections

Won't do any good so long as the corporations control the minds of the Sheeple through the media and the elite control the outcome of elections through rigged voting machines and - if necessary - judicial overrides.

Glass steagel

Are you referring to the key investor protection provisions repealed through the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 by Democratic President Bill Clinton?

Buffet rule,

It's spelled "Buffett", moron. So my guess is you have no idea what that non-existent rule is or the impact it might (not) have.

onshoring of good jobs,

LMFAO. And at so many levels.

alternative energy,

If you are suggesting Big Oil owns Republicans but no Democrats, read this:

http://corporategreedchronicles.com/2011/11/25/chevron-oil-big-boat-for-condi-big-bucks-for-bushbama/

affordable college,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

debt forgiveness,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

prosecution of criminals who crashed economy.

Bush didn't do shit. Bushbama didn't do shit. Bushbamney won't do shit.

Support OWS.

I do much more so than YOU.

vote out anti above issue republicans.

But keep their Democratic counterparts at all costs, right?

Whatta ya say. are you with us.?

FUCK NO!

Give up the republicans they don't represent you.

GIVE UP THE DEMOCRATS TOO!

(And FUCK YOU and all the rest of the Demopublican plants infesting this forum. You will NOT co-opt OWS while I breathe.)

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Your vulgar, offensive rant simply shows I am right and you are wrong. The dems have been co opted be corps as well. but they can be recaptured. you are wrong. Your view is hopeless. You don't offer anything positive or possible. The Dems can be made to serve the 99%. You are wrong. Support OWS. Vote out anti immigration republicans.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama

John Roberts +
Antonin Scalia +
Clarence Thomas +
Samuel Alito

If you don’t believe them,
…….ask Newt Gingrich or John McCain about Citizens United
OR
…….ask the family of any soldier killed in Iraq about bush v Gore

OR

Are you afraid to answer the questions -
……why do supreme court appointments make no difference ?
……why do ( roberts + alito ) = ( sotomayor + kagan ) ?
.……do you believe that President Gore would invade Iraq ?
…….do you believe that President Gore would NOT read his PDBs ?
And are you smart enough to answer these questions without changing the subject
to what you don’t like about Obama?


Just because Scalia and Thomas take koch brothers money –
you don’t have to


[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Huh? The right wing wackos are same as the left wing wackos. c'mon you don't really expect me to believe that non sense.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

So I see your intelligence level prohibits you from answering
four simple questions
I will phrase them so any fool can understand the questions:
why do supreme court appointments make no difference ?
why do ( roberts + alito ) = ( sotomayor + kagan ) ?
do you believe that President Gore would invade Iraq ?
do you believe that President Gore would NOT read his PDBs ?

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

AGAIN, OBAMAPOLOGIST:

Just HOW, exactly, do "These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama"?

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

And just HOW, exactly, do "These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama"?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I'll answer yours if you answer mine - if you have the courage
can you handle the truth ?
or will you slither into an anti-Obama rant ?

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

AGAIN, OBAMAPOLOGIST:

Just HOW, exactly, do "These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama"?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

no guts no glory - bye bye

[-] -3 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

no backing - all bullshit - not surprised

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Rants don't trump FACTS. Opinions don't trump FACTS. And your seriously flawed and skewed BELIEFS don't trump FACTS, chump.

If you are not IRL mentally retarded like Shooz, then the nicest thing I could say about you is that you are a clueless lemming who would fornicate with his own feces if that's what he thought the corporate fascists who control the Democratic (and Republican) Party wanted him to do.

I cannot offer you my pity. But you may wallow in my disgust of you...

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

"chump"? because I believe we can take back the Dem party for the 99%? "IRL"? Whassat? "mentally retarded"? because I disagree with you? "clueless lemming"? I'm a leader not a follower. Thats why you are freakin out. You can't believe other opinions are valid. "fornicate with my own feces" LMFAO. You are asking us to do exactly what the corp 1% want. throw our votes away. I've stated that several times. You have never disavowed that. You are a republican. Your abusiveness doesn't impress or scare me. I am smarter than you. I have struggled too much to let small minded bullies tell me what to do.

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

If you were smarter than me, you wouldn't call me a Republican when I am obviously not and you cannot prove otherwise. If you were smarter than me, you'd realize that the only people throwing their votes away are the ones voting Democratic or Republican and thinking they are going to change things by doing so. If you were smarter than me, you'd realize I have a logical mind and it is therefore easy to shut me up by posting links to facts that support your contentions.

And FWIW, the fact that you can get your puppy to follow you out of your Momma's basement does not exactly qualify you as a "leader"...

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I'm a leader because I lead. I decide for myself. I am not intimidated by two bit bullies. Your suggestions are to throw our votes away. I disagree. Thats all. I know the dems have failed miserably, no backbones corrupted. i know. But I also KNOW they CAN be made to serve the 99%. You can't prove me wrong. you can post links that they haven't. But I know they support what we need on all the important issues. And if we protest and pressure them constantly, we can co opt them. Now you wanna curse me out? go ahead it just shows you are a bully without retort. Support OWS. Vote out anti gay republicans

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[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

If you have facts that counter the original posting here, post links to them for our consideration. If you do not, stop wasting our time with your pathetic personal and partisan drivel.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Your links are propaganda. They offer no positive hope. Lets see you agitate the right wing to throw their votes away. You aint kiddin me. Your the plant. Vote. early and often ;). Vote out right wing wacko republicans

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

I cannot deal with idiots like you who try to beat facts with bullshit.

Go play with Shooz. Like you, he values bullshit over fact. Like you, his brain on the edge of a razor blade would look like a BB rolling down a four lane highway. And like you, he's a Democratic Party lemming. Maybe he'll let you lead him around...

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

back to the insults. LOL. I guess I win again democracy wins again. Vote. Vote your interests. then agitate agitate, agitate. Remember progressives (democrats) brought us Social security, 5 day work week, child labor laws, medicare, Glass steagle, minimum wage, civil rights. Democrats did this in the face of right wing wacko republican objections. Democrats did this only after massive demonstrations (like OWS can do) provided pressure and leverage They can again. But not without OWS pressure. do not buy this defeatist propaganda that able123 is pushing. recognize that bully tactics reflect empty arguments. If you throw your vote away you play into the 1% hands. Support the 99% vote out anti union republicans.! that ain't bullshit able that is the truth of history. you have only schoolyard bully tactics like your republican nominee.

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

This VQkag character is either a clueless clown or counting on you readers to be too stupid to realize he's challenging facts with fiction. I trust you know better...

http://occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739584

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

right

puppy next week

and tripod

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Nice Rant Trashy.

Keep working on it you are almost believable.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

I don't know who "Trashy" is, DKAtoday. But I do know that I wrote that post and "Trashy" didn't. Once again, you prove yourself to be a lying sack of shit.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

more vulgarity. Just shows you aren't smart enough to disagree in a civil way.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

If you are aware of a study establishing a reliable correlation between intelligence and the use of expletives, please post a link to that study here for the forum's consideration. If you have no such link, then shut the fuck up.

[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Link? we don't need no stinkin links! Your inability to discuss these important issues in a civil way MEANS you don't have anything intelligent to say. What do I need a link for. LOL

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You have consistently shown in your posts today that you have no clue about politics or history, and no ability to distinguish fact from fiction. That being the case, without links to substantial authoritative support you have no credibility.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You offer a false measure my knowledge comes from decades of life, and as much study of history. I don't need a link for that. You can find a link for anything. You should try making your own decisions based on reality. based on experience. based on study of 1st source stuff. links can be fabricated. you haven't offered any convincing links. You offer disgusting abusive insults designed to bully people. This gives you credibility? What a joke. That might have worked on the school yard but not here. You have to make sense here boyo. your a bully! you don't scare me and you can't convince me with insults. c'mon. I'm not a child.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

If you have any factual information countering the original posting here, then post links to it. Otherwise I must dismiss your pathetic partisan drivel.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

Pathetic"? You are suggesting we throw our votes away. That is what the 1% wants. you dismiss me because you cannot respond without abusive insults. It is simple, you are doing what the 1% wants. Wake up. Your suggestions will help the republicans as much as mine would help the democrats. You say they are the same. You are mistaken.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What is anarchism?

Anarchism is the movement for social justice through freedom. It is concrete, democratic and egalitarian. It has existed and developed since the seventeenth century, with a philosophy and a defined outlook that have evolved and grown with time and circumstance. Anarchism began as what it remains today: a direct challenge by the underprivileged to their oppression and exploitation. It opposes both the insidious growth of state power and the pernicious ethos of possessive individualism, which, together or separately, ultimately serve only the interests of the few at the expense of the rest.

Anarchism promotes mutual aid, harmony and human solidarity, to achieve a free, classless society - a cooperative commonwealth. Anarchism is both a theory and practice of life. Philosophically, it aims for perfect accord between the individual, society and nature. In an anarchist society, mutually respectful sovereign individuals would be organised in non-coercive relationships within naturally defined communities in which the means of production and distribution are held in common.

Anarchists, are not simply dreamers obsessed with abstract principles. We know that events are ruled by chance, and that people’s actions depend much on long-held habits and on psychological and emotional factors that are often anti-social and usually unpredictable. We are well aware that a perfect society cannot be won tomorrow. Indeed, the struggle could last forever! However, it is the vision that provides the spur to struggle against things as they are, and for things that might be.

Whatever the immediate prospects of achieving a free society, and however remote the ideal, if we value our common humanity then we must never cease to strive to realise our vision. If we settle for anything less, then we are little more than beasts of burden at the service of the privileged few, without much to gain from life other than a lighter load, better feed and a cosier berth.

Ultimately, only struggle determines outcome, and progress towards a more meaningful community must begin with the will to resist every form of injustice.

In general terms, this means challenging all exploitation and defying the legitimacy of all coercive authority. If anarchists have one article of unshakeable faith then it is that, once the habit of deferring to politicians or ideologues is lost, and that of resistance to domination and exploitation acquired, then ordinary people have a capacity to organise every aspect of their lives in their own interests, anywhere and at any time, both freely and fairly.

Anarchism encompasses such a broad view of the world that it cannot easily be distilled into a formal definition. Michael Bakunin, the man whose writings and example over a century ago did most to transform anarchism from an abstract critique of political power into a theory of practical social action, defined its fundamental tenet thus: In a word, we reject all privileged, licensed, official, and legal legislation and authority, even though it arise from universal suffrage, convinced that it could only turn to the benefit of a dominant and exploiting minority, and against the interests of the vast enslaved majority.

Anarchists do not stand aside from popular struggle, nor do they attempt to dominate it. They seek to contribute to it practically whatever they can, and also to assist within it the highest possible levels both of individual self-development and of group solidarity. It is possible to recognise anarchist ideas concerning voluntary relationships, egalitarian participation in decision-making processes, mutual aid and a related critique of all forms of domination in philosophical, social and revolutionary movements in all times and places.

Elsewhere, the less formal practices and struggles of the more indomitable among the propertyless and disadvantaged victims of the authority system have found articulation in the writings of those who on brief acquaintance would appear to be mere millenarian dreamers. Far from being abstract speculations conjured out of thin air, such works have, like all social theories, been derived from sensitive observation. They reflect the fundamental and uncontainable conviction nourished by a conscious minority throughout history that social power held over people is a usurpation of natural rights: power originates in the people, and they alone have, together, the right to wield it.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

What is DKAtoday? A Koch Whore, a RepubliCon, or a Repelican? ABSOLUTELY NOT. These people are attacking OWS from the front! DKAtoday - like Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, that idiot Shooz and others - are Judas Goats sent here to stab us in the back and co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party where we can once again be easily controlled.

I hear they may all be doxed soon. If and when that happens, I encourage you to put the info to good use...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

WormTongueTrashy123 speaks and says OPT-OUT.

Who benefits from that ? The corrupt - The Koch's.

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

What is DKAtoday? A Koch Whore, a RepubliCon, or a Repelican? ABSOLUTELY NOT. These people are attacking OWS from the front! DKAtoday - like Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, that idiot Shooz and others - are Judas Goats sent here to stab us in the back and co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party where we can once again be easily controlled.

I hear they may all be doxed soon. If and when that happens, I encourage you to put the info to good use...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your rant is old and pathetic.

Are You?

Old I mean.

You are pathetic.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

You are going away, DKAtoday, because what you really represent here is everything OWS is against. You are a pro-regime Demopublican plant. And one way or another, you and your accomplices WILL be purged fron this forum and this movement...

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Are you going to throw out this guy too?

He says his hearts not in it, but he will likely vote for democrats.

http://occupiedmedia.us/2012/05/a-few-good-democrats-are-not-enough/

It sounds to me, like you're the one trying to limit what OWS and it's supporters,can and can't do.

Do you also find that alliance feels more like co-option?

The way forward is without such limits.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So hows that workin out for ya. So far you have managed to fuck with the forum - but you seem to get banned every time.

Good People have left this forum - but it was their choosing.

I may some day leave this forum - and at this point in time it would be my choosing or the forums.

Go play with your selves in private. Your public show is disgusting.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Pack your shit, DKAtoday. We may not fold your pantyhose as nicely as you would like...

http://occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739540

[-] -1 points by Renneye (3990) 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I am not a plant! I'm a regular guy who loves this country and believes we can do better for the 99% who have been used and abused. You and i disagree perhaps in that I believe we can capture one of the parties (the dems). You disagree. thats all. no name calling, or bullying will change my mind because I have seen enough to know that bullies bully because they can't argue in a civil way. You just want to suppress the dem vote right?. Are you working to get your tea party friends to not vote?

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Let me break it down for you, plant:

We must vote!

Knock yourself out. Just don't vote Democrat or Republican. The 1% own those parties.

We must co opt the Dem party since the republicans are too far gone

Idiot. It's good cop bad cop tag team. They used the Democrats to co-opt the Tea Party into the GOP, and they (YOU) are using the Republicans to co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party.

you must turn away from the dark side that is the tea party

Fuck the "tea party" references. It has already been co-opted. If people listen to plants like you, OWS will soon be an empty label too.

We need each other.

I guess you missed this. Twice: "The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future."

If we can grow this movement and continue to put non violent pressure on all politicians especially dems we can get the things we need.

Idiot. The Democrats are owned by the same people that own the Republicans. Puppets don't give a shit about "pressure". They're PUPPETS for Christ's sake!

repeal citizens united

Citizens United enabled SuperPACs ... like Bushbamney's. And do you have any fucking clue what it takes to overturn a Supreme Court decision without fire and pitchforks?

mandatory voting for all

Idiot. That's straight out of the fascist's playbook. And you have no clue why, do you?

public health ins option

Do you mean Romney's plan to enrich the insurance companies, Obama's plan which had the same goal, or did you mean to say "free public health care for all"?

public funding of elections

Won't do any good so long as the corporations control the minds of the Sheeple through the media and the elite control the outcome of elections through rigged voting machines and - if necessary - judicial overrides.

Glass steagel

Are you referring to the key investor protection provisions repealed through the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 by Democratic President Bill Clinton?

Buffet rule,

It's spelled "Buffett", moron. So my guess is you have no idea what that non-existent rule is or the impact it might (not) have.

onshoring of good jobs,

LMFAO. And at so many levels.

alternative energy,

If you are suggesting Big Oil owns Republicans but no Democrats, read this:

http://corporategreedchronicles.com/2011/11/25/chevron-oil-big-boat-for-condi-big-bucks-for-bushbama/

affordable college,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

debt forgiveness,

And this will be significantly impacted by whether we have a corporate-controlled Democratic puppet or corporate-controlled Republican puppet in the White House how?

prosecution of criminals who crashed economy.

Bush didn't do shit. Bushbama didn't do shit. Bushbamney won't do shit.

Support OWS.

I do much more so than YOU.

vote out anti above issue republicans.

But keep their Democratic counterparts at all costs, right?

Whatta ya say. are you with us.?

FUCK NO!

Give up the republicans they don't represent you.

GIVE UP THE DEMOCRATS TOO!

(And FUCK YOU and all the rest of the Demopublican plants infesting this forum. You will NOT co-opt OWS while I breathe.)

[-] 5 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

So we disagree on Repealing cit united, the buffett rule, affordable college, public health option, Glass steagel, alt energy, Fine then you would be comfortable with republicans. I know that we can get Dems to achieve these things. we just have to work together to protest and pressure them. you just want to suppress the dem vote like your ALEC friends. Support OWS Vote out pro ALEC republicans

[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

So we disagree on Repealing cit united, the buffett rule, affordable college, public health option, Glass steagel, alt energy,

You truly are an Idiot: You cannot "repeal" any of those things.

Fine then you would be comfortable with republicans.

Idiot: Nothing I posted supports that assertion.

I know that we can get Dems to achieve these things. we just have to work together to protest and pressure them.

You don't "know" any such thing, you moron.

you just want to suppress the dem vote like your ALEC friends.

Nothing I posted supports ALEC. ALEC, on the other hand, owns Democratic legislators in at least 26 states.

Support OWS

I do much more so than you.

Vote out pro ALEC republicans

AND VOTE OUT PRO ALEC DEMOCRATS TOO!

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/04/11474/pccc-pressures-democratic-members-drop-alec

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

More name calling. give it up. If you don't think we can change these things just step aside and watch. Your just bomb throwing. No intelligent arguments. You haven't disputed the real differences I have sited between the parties. And your suggestion to throw away our votes would help the republicans. Thats what makes you a partisan republican! Your name calling bullying tactics also indicate a bad case of republicanitis. Get well soon.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

More name calling. give it up.

Stupid is as stupid does.

If you don't think we can change these things just step aside and watch.

We can change things, moron, but not by voting Demopublican.

Your just bomb throwing.

You're just fantasizing about a Democratic Party that doesn't exist.

No intelligent arguments.

I have posted facts with supporting links. You have posted drivel.

You haven't disputed the real differences I have sited between the parties.

The word is "cited", and you have yet to post a single citation.

And your suggestion to throw away our votes would help the republicans.

Voting for Democrats or Republicans IS throwing away your vote, dipshit. Accept reality like a big boy, pull up your pants and move on.

Thats what makes you a partisan republican!

Nothing I have ever posted anywhere makes me a "partisan republican", you lying little weasel.

Your name calling bullying tactics also indicate a bad case of republicanitis. Get well soon.

Kumbaya to you too, lying sack of shit. All my best to your handlers at MoveOn or whoever sent you here...

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I'm independent. trying to get people like you straight. You show no indication that you understand how to unravel this political mess. You can't discuss anything logically, instead you throw insults. Stop pretending. throwing away our votes only helps the 1%. you know it. Everyone who reads your propaganda should know the truth that you don't want improvement. You don't believe there can be improvement! Maybe you are one of those who want things to get worse so it can get better. I want things to get better so they can get better. You republican.

[-] -2 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

Nor do you... Before you try to set others "straight", perhaps you ought to consider you own position. You advocate we continue playing a rigged and losing political game.

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

work in the system! we can take a party back from the corp criminal 1%. don't throw your vote away. support OWS. Vote out pro citizens united politicians! De rigg it. We CAN do it. We are the 99%. We can do anything. Do not listen to the negativity. some have given up. We must convince them to reengage. building this movement is the only way. It will take years. Don't give up. Be strong. support the 99% vote out pro norquist politicians.

[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 2 years ago

The system is corrupt. You don't have the money to take it back. Votes only count during elections. Cash counts less during an election, but is good year-in and year-out. This basic poly-sci. You advocate we give up our vote to a party that has, during the current President's tenure, severely and un-Constitutionally attacked our civil rights (NDAA), continued wars of aggression for oil, and extra-judicially ordered the death of an American citizen (not to mention many other egregious acts and decisions). Given these facts, it would be foolish to vote for the Ds (and I'm no fan of the Rs).

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I want action to withdrawl troops and stop bombings

[-] -3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You sound like a fan of the R's. You've only attacked the D's. In any event I'm not saying the D's aren't corrupt, complicate. I'm saying they are closer to our agenda. I'm saying they can be co opted. That goal is closer to your goal. I don't even know what you want! form a plan miss "basic poli-sci" I just don't see how splitting the progressive votes helps anyone but the 1%. You ain't convinced me. what did the tea party say when you presented this plan to them? Vote out pro citizens united pols (that might help the money issue) Public funding of campaign.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Common sense shows common cause.


[-] 1 points by VQkag (719) 0 minutes ago

Agreed! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[+] -5 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

I'm independent. trying to get people like you straight.

Your about as "independent" as the DNC chairman.

You show no indication that you understand how to unravel this political mess.

I know the mess will NEVER be cleaned up by voting Demopublican.

You can't discuss anything logically, instead you throw insults.

I post facts, you post fantasy, and I'm not logical? FUCK YOU.

Everyone who reads your propaganda should know the truth that you don't want improvement. You don't believe there can be improvement!

You are insane.

Maybe you are one of those who want things to get worse so it can get better. I want things to get better so they can get better.

No pain, no gain, Grasshopper.

You republican.

YOU LIAR.

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You haven't posted one fact. you are suffering from delusions.
Don't throw your vote away.! vote out anti immigrant republicans!

[-] 4 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

personal attacks=Republican!

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[-] 3 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

You have devolved to your true ignorant vacant form. You can't even create a sensible sentence. LMFAO. vote out personal attacking republicans

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What is anarchism?

Anarchism is the movement for social justice through freedom. It is concrete, democratic and egalitarian. It has existed and developed since the seventeenth century, with a philosophy and a defined outlook that have evolved and grown with time and circumstance. Anarchism began as what it remains today: a direct challenge by the underprivileged to their oppression and exploitation. It opposes both the insidious growth of state power and the pernicious ethos of possessive individualism, which, together or separately, ultimately serve only the interests of the few at the expense of the rest.

Anarchism promotes mutual aid, harmony and human solidarity, to achieve a free, classless society - a cooperative commonwealth. Anarchism is both a theory and practice of life. Philosophically, it aims for perfect accord between the individual, society and nature. In an anarchist society, mutually respectful sovereign individuals would be organised in non-coercive relationships within naturally defined communities in which the means of production and distribution are held in common.

Anarchists, are not simply dreamers obsessed with abstract principles. We know that events are ruled by chance, and that people’s actions depend much on long-held habits and on psychological and emotional factors that are often anti-social and usually unpredictable. We are well aware that a perfect society cannot be won tomorrow. Indeed, the struggle could last forever! However, it is the vision that provides the spur to struggle against things as they are, and for things that might be.

Whatever the immediate prospects of achieving a free society, and however remote the ideal, if we value our common humanity then we must never cease to strive to realise our vision. If we settle for anything less, then we are little more than beasts of burden at the service of the privileged few, without much to gain from life other than a lighter load, better feed and a cosier berth.

Ultimately, only struggle determines outcome, and progress towards a more meaningful community must begin with the will to resist every form of injustice.

In general terms, this means challenging all exploitation and defying the legitimacy of all coercive authority. If anarchists have one article of unshakeable faith then it is that, once the habit of deferring to politicians or ideologues is lost, and that of resistance to domination and exploitation acquired, then ordinary people have a capacity to organise every aspect of their lives in their own interests, anywhere and at any time, both freely and fairly.

Anarchism encompasses such a broad view of the world that it cannot easily be distilled into a formal definition. Michael Bakunin, the man whose writings and example over a century ago did most to transform anarchism from an abstract critique of political power into a theory of practical social action, defined its fundamental tenet thus: In a word, we reject all privileged, licensed, official, and legal legislation and authority, even though it arise from universal suffrage, convinced that it could only turn to the benefit of a dominant and exploiting minority, and against the interests of the vast enslaved majority.

Anarchists do not stand aside from popular struggle, nor do they attempt to dominate it. They seek to contribute to it practically whatever they can, and also to assist within it the highest possible levels both of individual self-development and of group solidarity. It is possible to recognise anarchist ideas concerning voluntary relationships, egalitarian participation in decision-making processes, mutual aid and a related critique of all forms of domination in philosophical, social and revolutionary movements in all times and places.

Elsewhere, the less formal practices and struggles of the more indomitable among the propertyless and disadvantaged victims of the authority system have found articulation in the writings of those who on brief acquaintance would appear to be mere millenarian dreamers. Far from being abstract speculations conjured out of thin air, such works have, like all social theories, been derived from sensitive observation. They reflect the fundamental and uncontainable conviction nourished by a conscious minority throughout history that social power held over people is a usurpation of natural rights: power originates in the people, and they alone have, together, the right to wield it.

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

What is DKAtoday? A Koch Whore, a RepubliCon, or a Repelican? ABSOLUTELY NOT. These people are attacking OWS from the front! DKAtoday - like Factsrfun, JIFFYSQUID92, that idiot Shooz and others - are Judas Goats sent here to stab us in the back and co-opt OWS into the Democratic Party where we can once again be easily controlled.

I hear they may all be doxed soon. If and when that happens, I encourage you to put the info to good use...

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Worm tongue Trashy speaks.

I say unite in common cause. ( strength in numbers )

Worm Tongue - says OPT-OUT. ( Koch likes that idea )

[+] -6 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

More desperate drivel from an outed pro-regime propagandist plant trying desperately to prove his worthiness to Bushbamney and their common corporate fascist masters.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Why don't you go ahead and try to control me bitch.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

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[-] 2 points by Renneye (3990) 2 years ago

Also

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[+] -6 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Pro-regime Democratic Party co-optation propagandists, some real some sock puppets:

Factsrfun

DKAtoday

Shooz

JIFFYSQUID92

VQkag

bensdad

[+] -4 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Your links don't mean shit, Factsrfun. Nothing in OWS profiles is verified information, not even the map points. And forum "karma" (LOL) points say nothing about the virtues of the poster or the veracity of their postings. Besides, I'm sure you girls spend a lot of time voting up each other's Democratic Party propaganda.

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you can read can't you? I write my post, if you read what I wirte and think that I've been co-opeted then fine each person can do that for themself, I know you would like to but you don't get to tell others what to think, at least those with minds of their own.

BTW nice profile.

[-] -3 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

You have admitted you're a Democratic party hack, Factsrfun. Now get the fuck out of this forum:

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/americans-have-three-choices-in-november-bushbamne/#comment-739976

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I know it's hard, but you must have some respect for youself, don't let people see you like this.

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[-] 0 points by 3055551212 (5) 2 years ago

If You Vote in Elections or Sign Online Petitions, Are You Making a Difference or Wasting Your Time?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-you-vote-in-elections-or-sign-online-petitions-/

[-] 0 points by 3055551212 (5) 2 years ago

Myths About Barack Obama You Probably Didn't Know You Bought in to

http://occupywallst.org/forum/myths-about-barack-obama-you-probably-didnt-know-y/

[-] 0 points by 3055551212 (5) 2 years ago

Proof That This Forum Is Infested By Pro-Regime Propagandists:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/redux-j-proof-that-this-forum-is-infested-by-pro-r/

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

If I had my way, I would just tell everyone to vote their conscience. And if they want to promote party canidates, they should do so elsewhere. That way we could get back to running a revolution here.

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[+] -4 points by able123 (174) 2 years ago

Romney and Obama are the Same Bushbamney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC311qHA1xA