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Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 16, 2012, 3:18 a.m. EST by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC
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OWS has no shortage of issues to raise that show why we cannot trust our leaders, and why we need to get the ruling class out of government.

It is election time - maybe we can get this issue raised?

Depleted uranium [DU] is used to give extra heft to bullets. The U.S. and the U.K. military used nearly 2,000 tons of depleted uranium bombs during the early years of the the Iraq war.

This is one of the greatest human and environmental tragedies of all time is being caused by the U.S. military and yet nobody seems to care.

“since 2003, congenital malformations have increased to account for 15% of all births in Fallujah, Iraq.

"In Septemberof 2010, 170 children were born at Fallujah General Hospital, 24 per cent of whom died within seven days. Three-quarters of these exhibited deformities, including "children born with two heads, no heads, a single eye in their foreheads, or missing limbs". The comparable data for August 2002 – before the invasion – records 530 births, of whom six died and only one of whom was deformed."

The areas of heaviest fighting are contaminated with DU radiation and will be for 1000s of years.

And now, there is growing evidence from samples taken from people and the environment after recent wars that a new weapon is being used that contains slightly enriched (as opposed to depleted) uranium.

So, what can OWS do? These kinds of horrors show that the ruling class has to be stopped.

We can try to get the question put to Presidential Candidates - "are you in favor of continued use of DU weapons now that the birth defects are showing up, in Afghanistan and Iraq, but also in American babies of war vets?

OWS protests can occupy facilities that make such weaponry [if you are done having kids].

And, we can try to get the news from being censored. This might raise the OWS profile as being a group worth supporting!!


http://tinyurl.com/9nypg47 "When a DU shell is fired, it ignites upon impact. Uranium, plus traces of plutonium and americium, vaporize into tiny, ceramic particles of radioactive dust. Once inhaled, uranium oxides lodge in the body and emit radiation indefinitely"

Gulf War Vets: http://www.gulfwarvets.com/du_greatest_enviomental_horrors.htm

Is a new uranium weapon being used by the US and Israel? - http://childvictimsofwar.org.uk/get-informed/uranium-weapons/ "There is growing evidence from samples taken from people and the environment after recent wars that a new weapon is being used that contains slightly enriched (as opposed to depleted) uranium."

video 13-12-2011 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmydin_birth-defects-rise-in-falluja_news?search_algo=2



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[-] 6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

this is certainly an issue that deserves public scrutiny. I would add that there are certain things we know will happen once that process begins. A process of resistance and a campaign of disinformation will be undertaken to prevent any change in legislation that would prevent the U.S. military from using DU munitions.

Even with public pressure and awareness, we can expect the resistance to elimination of DU munitions from the U.S. arsenal to be effective over time, one can point to resistance to recognition of Gulf War Syndrome or the ban on Land Mines as examples which show that even though progress was made on both issues this progress came very slowly.

It is absolutely an issue that deserves attention.

At the same time, we have to ask ourselves what is going to be the most effective use of our energy -

  • Congressional reforms that make change on a whole laundry list of issues possible?

  • Or the individual issues on the laundry list itself?

[-] 3 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Good point - one issue at a time does take a lot of energy. On the other hand, Congress will fight reforms - Which way would you go?

Single issues like this one do carry a punch to get the public onside with the idea that government is not doing it's job, we need reforms.

OWS is all about big reforms, and we use single issues to show why they are needed.

As for DU - if we made it a "Veterans coming home from Afghanistan are producing children with birth defects" it would cause a stir.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It already happened after invading Iraq the first time.

The denial machine is functioning and operational.

Remember that congress are allowed to be insider traders on the stock market, and they are big "winners" on the MIC shares.

To force the MIC to use substances other than the currently "free" DU (hell, they might even get paid to take it, considering it needs "safe" storage) would eat into their profit margins heavily, directly affecting returns for investors.

Solution? Get money out of politics, and make it illegal (like it is for everyone else in the world) to be caught insider trading.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

All true... how to get there?

I just have to point out ICELAND again, where a couple years ago the people rose up and replaced their government with "average people" and kicked out all of the old-line political party types. The new government arrested all the bankers who were demanding bailouts!!

I don't know if that could even happen in America, but what happened in Iceland is an inspiring bit of direct democracy working for the majority.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

They must have had the constabulary on side.

Hence the scared-shitless 1% militarising the police force, and creating armed merc units like FEMA and Blackwater.

The Marines were there for #ows in the early days. From what I can gather just talking to serving military people, they've had enough of the bullshit too.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

And the US Army too - even though it is against constitutional law, they might be ordered to "control crowds in the USA" [as in - "kill OWS protesters"].

Is this why Obama is bringing the troops home?

Quote: http://tinyurl.com/9ffhzzp Back in 2008, U.S. troops returning from Iraq were earmarked for “homeland patrols” with one of their roles including helping with “civil unrest and crowd control”.

In December 2008, the Washington Post reported on plans to station 20,000 more U.S. troops inside America for purposes of “domestic security” from September 2011 onwards, an expansion of Northcom’s militarization of the country in preparation for potential civil unrest following a total economic collapse or a mass terror attack. - end quote-

Ask them to "join us, we are the 99%" - as they club you into a coma - it is a beautifull way to die.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Is this why Obama is bringing the troops home?

I doubt it.

He was planning on pulling troops out in 2007 -

Since we see the President was intent on getting out of Iraq as early as October 2007, and since this was a full 4 years before OWS was even heard of, it is safe to say the withdrawl of U.S. troops has nothing to do with curbing protests.

That is not to say that right wing elements within the Pentagon have not put together a plan - I'm sure they have hundreds of plans - perhaps thousands of plans - Like the Patriot Act, which the ACLU has said must have been in someone's desk drawer prior to September 11, 2001, because the length of time between the attack and date of passage was insufficient to write it up.

It's likely your link is Pentagon propaganda designed to stifle opposition through fear.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Thanks for having your bullshit filter on ZDog - you are right that they are not really pulling the troops out of Afghan missions to come home and kill OWS, but they have plenty others getting ready to do "domestic security". . That link is no Pentagon propaganda site though, maybe the article was fed to "Alexander Higgins" but that site is full of stuff the govt. doesn't like - I first found it when Higgins was exposing a lot of the Fukushima lies.

Outfitting the army with civilian control [riot control] gear doesn't sound like an away mission.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Outfitting the army with civilian control [riot control] gear doesn't sound like an away mission.

No it does not.

Best guess?

they are getting ready for the mass migration, thanks to greater meteorological instability and Global Warming . . .

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Herding us like cattle? Uh huh... A lot of people don't even need prodding . I suppose in the case of extreme weather it just might be for our own good....

oh wait - I just fell for it !!! - maybe we should just reduce CO2 emissions instead... because making America too difficult for average people to survive in could be WHY they refuse to do anything to slow down CO2 emissions...[they are still increasing - more every year globally].

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

oh common - they don't want to destroy us all. they have to preserve some of us at least as good consumers . . . don't they?

They just haven't gotten around to understanding that to have good consumers we have to have jobs - jobs that pay more than enough to feed and house us.

Since they avoided the big crash - this time around - they don't get it, and remain steadfastly focused on their own profitability - never mind the over all consequences.

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

It might be like that... but the "consumer economy" has not had a lick of help while the bankers get Trillions $, so maybe they have a plan that doesn't include the consumer economy?

One idea is that if 90% of the people are wiped out then the wealth and property etc. that they have, even if each of them has but little, will all be concentrated into the remaining 10% survivors - scary eh?

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Perhaps you underestimate the sophistication of Pentagon psy-oppers (with no reference to that site). If they want to reach the anti-Pentagon crowd they have to speak their language and gain their trust, only then can they work to undermine them.

They are waging full out information warfare against the American people (who they blame for their defeat in Vietnam, I mean it couldn't have been their arrogance, right?)

It's very hard to know who's who. Perhaps Zendog is playing a double game, perhaps you're playing a quadruple game.

Personally, I only trust myself and my mother. And sometimes I'm not too sure about her.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

I get ya, man, I hear about "remote sensing" and HAARP sending subliminal messages to us in our sleep and the secret network of cables underground throughout the USA...

If only 10% of the freaky stuff is real thats still pretty scary.

To know if your thoughts are your own we have to constantly compare our opinions to our morals... if you find yourself thinking "gee, it serems that our children need a lot more pharmaceutical drugs to get through school," - maybe it is a planted thought.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (21784) 1 year ago

We have been dealing with DU for ......... over 20 years (?). If this is your first go 'round with DU start looking at how it is used in cooking equipment. Definitely look for that in Europe. You aren't going to have enough time for the election. I don't think enough people are aware of it. Any time is a good time to become aware Push it anyway. Because they didn't get the message the first time? Our people are coming home................maybe this time they will 'fess up and we can move.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's genocide. No other word for it.

The claims are that DU is no more harmful than lead.

Problem is, lead is expensive now, and DU requires safe storage because of its inherent toxicity, but it is given free to munitions factories.

It has armour-piercing capabilities, and that was the reason it was first introduced. Most other western nations have banned it, and use other metals, like tungsten alloys.

Google Dr. Doug Rokke. Here's a great video about DU with Doug talking .



[-] 3 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

It is genocide [re: Mr Barfnow below] because the Afghan people are ALL being contaminated, and when genetics are scrambled for an entire population they will die out.

It is flat out wrong to say it is not radioactive, but that is what the warmongers are saying. Denial of scientific fact.

DU use is a war crime, there has to be a way to show that.

DU use is a human rights violation too, it has to be.

[-] 6 points by Nevada1 (4020) 1 year ago

"An entire population will die out"----That Is The Plan.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Not to mention the bill for repatriation of veterans going down very quickly.

We're dealing with mafiosa criminal minds here.

The sooner people realise that reality, the sooner we can take action to get rid of them.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4020) 1 year ago

Agree. On a little campaign right now, emailing Karlin's links. everyone needs to know.

Yes, genocide.

[-] -2 points by Grimreaper2 (-318) 1 year ago


[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

nope what who? Crimes against humanity, War Crimes....and Genocide - messing with DNA is to take away the basis of human identity.

Maybe it is BIGGER than genocide - whats the word for "killing an entire species off"?

[+] -6 points by Barfnow (-16) 1 year ago

You need to research the word genocide.

[-] 5 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

No. I understand the word.

You need to understand that death does not have to come immediately.

Think of all the US service men and women also exposed to DU.

Think about the veterans afflicted with "Gulf War Syndrome".

[-] -2 points by Barfnow (-16) 1 year ago

What do you care about our military people? You are not of this nation?

[-] 4 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You arent too bright are you?

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Talks to him/herself at times, hchc.

Australia's military is with the US in every action.

Look up the ANZUS Treaty, Barfnow.

[-] 0 points by Barfnow (-16) 1 year ago

That treaty pertains to ....?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"The Moral Equivalent of Nuremberg"

" . . . doctors at Fallujah General Hospital finally became so alarmed by the increase in birth defects they petitioned the United Nations to investigate, explaining in a letter: “In September 2009, (the hospital) had 170 newborn babies, 24 percent of whom were dead within the first seven days (and) a staggering 75 percent of the dead babies were classified as deformed.” In comparison, their letter stated, in August 2002, before the invasion, 530 babies were born; six of them died within the first week, with a single birth defect reported."


Generals without morals or ethics. Shame on us, the United States of America.

[-] 3 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Stunning eh? And there ARE babies being born in the USA with deformities caused by DU weapons as our vets come home.... we just don't hear about them. Even whistleblowers are hesitant to expose the birth defects because the families are allready traumatised.

In fact, the rate of birth defects keeps going up every year. This way of life is messing with the very basis of life - DNA. When DNA gets messed up, we are not a viable species anymore.

Any vets out there??

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2012, 03:56:11 PM »

Quote Hundreds of thousands of US troops poisoned by DU, disabled by TBI & PTSD

And as Alex so rightly pointed out the other day, if you try telling this to your average flag-waving warmonger with a "support our troops" bumper sticker on his car -- the sort of phony "patriot" you find at any American Legion or VFW -- he either won't care or, worse, will become indignant at having his fairy-tale worldview exposed as such.

Isn't it disgusting how, when push comes to shove, it always turns out that the very people who spend the most time and effort patting themselves on the back for "supporting" the troops are actually the ones who care about those troops the least?


[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Yup, they care much more about not having their worldview upset. This is equally true of the CEOs and Elites etc.

Lets pat OURSELVES on the back - OWS people are willing to see the problems, and that is the starting point of any solutions.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I've been protesting DU for a decade, Karlin.


[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

I could hardly pick a better issue... I checked out that link, interesting about Midnight Oil Peter Garrett getting elected and speaking out against DU [and much more]; it led to a 2003 article by Dr Aaron Oakley in Brookes News where Dr. Oak-for-brains slams Garrett - but in the most hilariously hypocritical way, claiming Garrett doesn't know anything, It is the Doctor who "DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING" about real-world use of DU weapons.

Doc says: "This guy [Garrett] knows nothing and understands even less. Depleted Uranium is called depleted for a reason. The most radioactive portion (U-235) has been removed. What is left (mostly U-238) has an extremely long half life 4.5- billion years. This means that the danger from radioactivity is minimal. "

He also talks about using it for paperweights. His ignorance is about where the DU ammunition turns to dust on impact - if anyone tries to baffle us with pseudo-science, like that Doctor Oakley, here is the truth about what DU weapons do on contact with metal targets:

"particles that are readily inhaled into and retained by the lungs. From the lungs uranium compounds are deposited in the lymph nodes, bones, brain and testes. Hard targets hit by DU penetrators are surrounded by this dust and surveys suggest that it can travel many kilometres "

  • and, that is has been fingered as the cause of the spike in cancers where DU weapons are used, and as we said above, it causes birth defects.

But ya, its all good because it has a long half-life!! What crap.

Bullshit article: http://www.brookesnews.com/031303garrett.html

[I see you really are an Aussie - my nephew is headed to Perth in Nov]

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

We are people of the Earth.

I happen to have been born in Australia.

The Japanese will not allow DU to be used on any US military base in Japan.

Anyone with even an ounce of knowledge could surmise that DU is not benign.

Apart from ammunition, it is also being used in armour plating.

I know that the 1% has a depopulation agenda, and this is probably one aspect of it. Are they criminals? Of the worst order they are indeed.

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Hey Builder, THAT is a gem about Japan not allowing any DU, even on USA bases there.

Depopulation would be most efficiently done by scrambling our DNA.... then, even if you could make babies, you will wish you hadn't [w/ apologies to all children of seriously radiated parents. but it has to be said]

We ARE children of Mother Earth, you betcha!! - my heritage comes from far-flung areas of the world, and I have relatives almost everywhere. I just wanna join hands with them and everyone and give the Earth a big hug!! {with the 1% on the sidelines shouting angrily - "HEY!!! stop that!.... Stop doing that, what the HECK are you trying to prove? Get back to work - and YOU, YOU!! - you get the heck off my LAWN , you dirty hippies!!"

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Thanks Karlin, and you're welcome.

I've tried to find a link to that article that hasn't been taken down. It was around 2002-03. Can't find it. The Japanese were hosting American forces for war games, and during the clean-up, their geiger counters were going off the scale.

Here's a site that looks amateur, but it has heaps of links and active information. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/DU.htm

[-] -2 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya...

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Do your shit, mikey, and debunk that lot of information.

Major Doug Rokke is dying for his country by being poisoned.

Get onto it, or get off it.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

I hope the government is not secretly scrambling your DNA in an effort to depopulate Australia.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Do you know what's in your water?

There's some "conspiracies" that have been proven, mikey, and you don't want to know about them. Your gov is willing to poison its own people. Phukk with their future children. You're just gonna let that slide and try and poke fun at me?

Go make some pancakes for us. Make yourself useful, buddy.

[-] 0 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 1 year ago

Just because some conspiracies are real, doesn't mean every one that can be imagined is.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Conspiracies become truth when they are "real" trashy.

Again, go make yourself useful.

Your time is almost up.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

We need to get our foot in the door with democracy, a.s.a.p. Then things can change. We vote between a few choices for a president every 4 years, and they never do what they say because that corporate agenda is followed no matter what (kenedy tried to stand up to them and all they had to do was kill him). This is not democracy. If a corporation is proving to be evil we should be able to vote it out of power. We should be able to vote on anything that we need to, and not just a president for shits and giggles. We have to stop playing the game they want us to play, like moths on a light.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You're right. It's not democracy.

It's so far removed from democracy that I'm not surprised that most people don't vote. I'm pretty sure that is what these criminals want.

So get everyone you know to turn up and vote independent. Send the message. We're mad as hell, and we won't put up with this shit any more.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

I don't know. Would an independent president really change anything? From what i understand, if they are not just part of the puppet show, they will have a gun at their back, and no more power than we do. Regardless, being able to make one choice between a few apples every 4 years still doesn't seem like democracy.

When the shit hits the fan this hard we should have the right to control our government with a vote for anything. This is how our collection of truth would be the top chain of command, and if we had that much democracy the public servents and corporations would have to take their jobs seriously and responsibly.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

So you're talking about participatory democracy?

I'm all for it, myself. I guess if the people who aren't for it don't participate, then they can't complain later for not participating themselves.

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

When you put it that way it just makes me wish we had a better educational platform. I think a lot of things could change for the better, and we have to allow our system to adapt, based on conscious development, and not keep playing the same game or it will definitely crash.

I start thinking of my own personal beliefs. That the vital resources of our planet shouldn't fall into the hands of private companies, and that one person cannot have more wisdom than all people, because they are included if they do.

All i'm trying to say is that i think we need to start with emergency democracy. Get our foot in the door to unstucking the system. That at a time like this, when we know something is so wrong, we need to have the executive power or nothing will stop it. This is our government, turned against us.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I agree with what you're expressing.

All I can do from this end is to link you to orgs that are actually doing things positively to affect a future for all of us.



Hope you find what you're looking for.

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

I've been appreciating your posts a lot, thanks for being here. I was looking for a place to offer and hear some ideas but instead i'm having a hard time swimming through all this news media, which seem to repeat the same miscellaneous conversation.

It's all seeming cumbersome and intentional. I really wish there was sub folders in this forum, so if someone is trying to be complicated or overburden things they would at least have to be on topic.

Thanks for the links.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

No worries.

When I find a topic here I'm interested in, I just bookmark it in my browser. I

t's so easy to lose track of threads here. Solidarity, my friend.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

A military that doesn't take care of their fighting men and women is a disgrace beyond words. These young men and women are willing to fight and die for the country (one doesn't have to agree with a particular cause to respect their commitment), the least that they can expect is to be taken care of in return.

For shame, for shame.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I agree. this has the effect of ensuring job security for the Pentagon, the MIC and the SIC well into the future

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Our use of DU munitions has been/is both a war crime (against others) and treason (against our own fighting men and women).

It is such an incredible evil that I believe Americans have a hard time getting their mind around it. But we just have to keep working that garden (to mix metaphors). It can not be spoken of too often.

Currently our citizens just cannot accept that our government and generals are capable of this kind of evil.

Perhaps the video mentioned here, on another government crime, would help people open their eyes: http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/645-psychology-experts-speak-out-why-is-the-911-evidence-difficult-for-some-to-accept-.html (article) http://911expertsspeakout.org/ (video)

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Thanks for the link.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1524) 1 year ago

Most agree, but we have to keep in mind we are talking to a country filled with citizenry that discounts Fukushima.

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Thank you, Fukushima fits right in here... high crimes, insane power hungry fools, far more foolish than fossil fools!!

Reactor #4's "Spent Fuel Pool" has been called "the greatest threat to life on earth" - all its going to take is a little earthquake to spill the water the spent fuel rods are in, and we have a dirty bomb 1000 orders of magnitude greater than anything a "terrorist" could build.

Those rods CATCH FIRE within hours of being out of the water, and the radiation will start to pour off them. Unlike the 5 "great extinctions" on earth, the Spent Fuel Pool will sterilise the planet for millions of years...

And as you point out people are generally just saying "hmmmm, so what?"

[-] -2 points by WeThePeop (-259) 1 year ago

Causing birth defects in the Middle East (with the exception of Israel) may be a good thing. One less savage born

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

What are you even doing here? Such vile hatefilled thinking is right up the corporate and Elite alley.

Besides that, you missed the bit about American soldiers coming home with scrambled DNA... producing babies with birth defects. I am tempted to use your thinking and say "maybe it is a good thing if it reduces American savages" {the USA attacked and invaded THEM, and 9/11 was the farcical false flag event behind that war based on lies} BUT I WONT STOOP SO LOW