Forum Post: America and The Kill List
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 25, 2012, 8:40 p.m. EST by jdjohn1990
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The government has a kill list, under Obama. They were killing in the middle east, but now they are making domestic terrorists aka criminals aka american's disappear in the same way. I believe that every American should be born with the guarantee that their government will not kill them. Who here wants to fight government corruption. Who here wants to fight to save american lives and stop the murderous US government? Then join my facebook.com/groups/thekilllist and make a donation to help spread the word. I will mail you a free shirt with every $15 donation, just pm me your address
I believe we will never be a nation of justice until the death penalty is illegal
The Death Penalty underpins our Violent Culture. How many false convictions and miscarriages of justice are there in our judicial system? FAR too many! We murder our own so of course we'll murder abroad. It all needs to stop.
i agree completely
Drones are already in the US and it is a very short step from 'surveillance' to assassination!
Protest against drone strikes all over the world & death penalty, police brutality here!
Our police and military (and what's really the difference these days?) love the idea of drones, here or abroad. The drone manufacturers love it and want this sh*t to continue and expand for no better reason than their profits. The rulers love drones so that we can inflict the death penalty without any process and don't have to answer any awkward questions about dead soldiers. We should justifiably be very worried.
Protest the drone strikes and remote control wars!
If we do not 'protest the drone strikes and remote control wars' we can expect the same domestically. Oh look, we're already there!
It''s horrible! Gotta kick up the protests a notch!
Are you with us?
I've been with you for a long time! Have you seen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A ?
Excellent film.
I completely agree and I especially liked the messages of hope and action at the end with Aaron Copeland's 'Fanfare for the common man' playing in the background.
My favorite bit was: 'Apathy is not the solution. Let's take a better interest in our politics, by supporting and electing those who have demonstrated ethical and responsible behaviour and have tried to do something about our deceitful financial sector and their cronies'.
So few pols are ethical and forward thinking. But yes, everyone should get involved, find ethical pols to run if they ain't and take our govt back from the plutocrats.
We need more people like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich and to organise in our communities from the real grass roots levels, as opposed to astro-turf, TP Koch-heads. We do need to learn some organisational lessons from them though, just like they themselves learnt from the likes of the 'Ruckus Society'! That might be hard to believe but I have very good reasons to believe that that is very true. We have to start to mobilise the 99% and this is why OWS is such a good and important seed for the future
We do need to organize better but I don't think Kochs TP is the right guide.
People will come to join us when they are struggling enough..
Looks like this Presidential election is about who you want to keep up the kill list, or rather who's kill list do you want to be on.
Yes i am not pretending that Romney will take me off of the list. But, i am still concerned about America's future because they dominate the world.
Tuesday November 6 repeal the death penalty in the CA general election
I hope that this prop passes because it will be a large step away from the death penalty and everything will help change the culture of the US and the government and hopefully send the message to capital hill that we wont let them murder us.
people should own the government
agreed. Personally i am on the verge of simply leaving america, why live in a land that grants judges the authority to murder
in California we are voting to repeal the death sentence
I know and i believe that is a great initiative. It will truly help shift the culture in America. However, we do still have a federal death penalty and so all US citizens are subject to the death penalty until the FDP is withdrawn. Unfortunately, both Romney and Obama support the FDP. Nonetheless, i truly hope that California eliminates the death penalty and i believe it will save lives.
this story is not unique, it has occurred before
Hopefully i will be attending Cardozo Law School in January. I should be a sure in. If i do, i will be protesting all day every day near wallstreet
If your in law school you won have to the time to protest. Law school is a joke it's hella hard.
I went to Brooklyn Law School last year for a time and still had time to protest. We read about 250 pages a week, but it could be worse
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need to include http://www.facebook............. if you want the link to function.
thank you. How do you feel about capital punishment? Did you know that we have a federal death penalty?
Ya, Im not sure how I feel about it, because Ive never had anyone murdered, and I do know that sometimes they get out of jail before their sentence due to technicalities.
On the other hand, you have people sentenced to death by the gov, which is fucked up. And then you have the absolutely worst case scenario where people who are innocent are put to death, which is horrendous.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/thekilllist
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I hope everyone had a good Halloween
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you are right, i should say the US govt
I researched the death penalty and found that Israel and Ireland both banned the the death penalty 60 almost years ago. Personally i am half Irish and half Jewish and i am upset to live in a country that has the death penalty.
Isreal has the death penalty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Israel
"rimes against humanity, war crimes, and crimes against the Jewish people. Only one person has been civilly executed in the history of the State of Israel" They have not executed a citizen since 1962 and have only executed 2 persons in the history of the state. One of which was acquitted and promoted to captain posthumously.
Israeli operatives have openly executed people, both by subterfuge, and by stealing identities of people from other nations, in the last few years.
Who are you quoting?
That sounds like what has been going on in America. Do you have any sources? I have been doing as much research as i can on this subject.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/not-a-smiling-assassin-but-a-victim-of-fraud-20100309-pvuw.html
thank you for the link. What is happening in America is similar. We have assassination squads who will watch someones every move and then kill them and usually even kidnap and torture them. The identity theft occurs after as individuals assume the role of the victims. In my instance there are people who have stolen each family members identity and then split off from the family. The teams that are covering me are huge and the entire US government condones or accepts the use of the teams. It is hard to find someone to blow the whistle too.
Why are they targetting you and your now-dead family?
Are you Palestinian activists? Or sympathisers?
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
We were found guilty for conspiracy to murder 3 people. I insist that i am not guilty, but they don't believe me. I do not believe that this is an equa reaction, i think that the US has gone way to far. Their are worse stories than my families actions, just look at the Manson Family
I fail to see the correlation with Charles Manson.
I'm still trying to make sense of your case.
Are you a Palestinian activist?
What are your political affiliations?
I would expect to be targetted for having dissident views in a time of war.
The correlation is that both offenses could be considered terrorist attacks because they were meant to intimidate the public. That is why i am targeted, not because of my views but because i was found guilty of conspiring with terrorists, an act i deny
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Either you have it or you don't. They do. I don't believe in it.
I don't believe something so important should be up to the government of the country you happen to be born in.
I don't either. I believe the UN wants to adopt the policy that Isreal has. This adds to making the UN a slow moving bureaocracy. By the time they decide whether war crimes have happened the body count is high. It's all grandstanding. The UN is about aquisition of resourses and they hide behind issues like this.
What policy are you referring to? I had read that the UN wants to end capital punishment world wide.
Notice the US only meddles in countries that support the DP?
Maybe it's the US that wants to adopt Isreal's stance on the DP. It's complicated. According to the UN Isreal doesn't support the DP but they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_moratorium_on_the_death_penalty
So you are saying that Israel hides information relating to executions? I would believe you given what i've seen. If you have a link that would help me because i could use it to support my claim about the US.
No, their laws are complicated. It's the US that's screwed up. If the UN is serious about banning it Isreal would probably go along but not the US. That's my guess.
believe me, i know many government workers who dont care abut executions and believe they are a good thing. The US has some sick people
It's that old time religion. They're not right in the head.
i don't know, Europe practices the same religions but they don't kill their own citizens.
Yes the US is strongly in favor of justifying the killing of human beings
Here is a recap The American government has used the war on terror to justify the political killings of countless individuals. They now classify crimes as terrorist attacks and kill the offenders. These people are being dehumanized and treated like faceless animals. Recently legislature has classified certain crimes which are committed by Americans as domestic terrorism. These persons are then subject to the Federal Death Penalty. Due to the nature of the "war on terror" and the private kill lists, some acts of "domestic terror" are now being dealt with privately. That is what has happened with my family. My family was guilty of committing three murders in a conspiracy to avenge me in May. By the end of June they had all been killed. The government violated their right to public trial, due process, and the right to confront their accusers. The Government has been using torture during this war on terror, and this has also been used on domestic terrorists who are american citizens. There have been american citizens who have been confirmed to be on the kill list so this should be no surprise. My entire family has been killed by the American government and i have been told that i am next. I was given one year to live in exchange for providing the agents valuable information. I was told not to talk under threat of torture However, i believe that we cannot fear torture when facing death. Please help me fight this case by spreading the word. You can join my page at http://www.facebook.com/groups/thekilllist and donate money to http://gogetfunding.com/project/march-against-capital-punishment-1 I desperately need your funds to help escape the regime. I need to be able to travel to seek political asylum I would just like to say that a so called act of terrorism is no different than a regular crime. I see no reason to separate the murder of 3 random people as a terrorist act, i see no reason to call a bombing a terrorist attack. This is simply propaganda and politicians way to justify killing criminals.
You can join my page at http://www.facebook.com/groups/thekilllist and donate money to http://gogetfunding.com/project/march-against-capital-punishment-1
Please do so and stop the american regime from killing another innocent person. Your funds help me seek political asylum
Ah, the genesis of your other whack-job comments -- you're peddling tee-shirts! Why didn't you say so on Arturo's post? That would have clarified things considerably.
I don't need a Kill List tee shirt, but I could use a Black Helicopter tee shirt, or maybe an Area 51 tee shirt. Got any of those?
Yes i could make those. This is serious conversation, and it is not crazy at all to believe that another american is on the kill list when it is known that american's have been placed on the kill list before. It is crazy to think i am crazy. Please think about the impact of you comments before being so vulgar.
Well, I trust you'll understand that your story has certain characteristics in common with stories created by delusional people; so you'll perhaps understand my skepticism and that of others. I think you will further understand that selling commemorative tee shirts in conjunction with this whole matter makes it look rather like a scam.
Finally, I trust you'll understand that the allegations you make are very grave, involving as they do a bare assertion that the United States government is engaged in a systematic campaign to kill citizens that it does not like, which if true is a violation of every moral principle, and a good many laws as well.
All of these things being the case, I trust that you'll further understand that in order to take your allegations seriously, I, and the others here (with the apparent exception of Arturo) will require some proof beyond your own unsupported allegations. Therefore, I ask you: What evidence have you to support your claims? What reason do you assert for the United States government committing the acts you allege? If you have credible proof, if you have credible evidence of motive, bring it forward. And finally, explain to me why they haven't gotten you yet. You're certainly not making any effort to hide, what with a facebook page, tee shirt sales and all of these posts. And if what you say is true, the government employs some highly skilled and ruthless killers. It would seem to me that you ought to be long dead.
Delusional people make all sorts of claims, which all share elements of stories which are true. The selling of t-shirts is a way to raise money which I need desperately, I’m sorry if it comes off like a scam to you, but I was hoping to spread the word that way.
Believe me; I understand more than anyone the severity of the situation. The government is selecting certain crimes as acts of terrorism and expanding its kill list. We all know that they do this already. I have posted proof, a picture of my family and their replacements. This is more evidence than many claims by others have had, yet still received attention. I have more evidence; my family members returned home in June and left things of theirs at my mother’s house.
Also, I have had various interactions with government representatives which discussed the conspiracy including one which promised me a year to live in exchange for providing valuable information. I am not supposed to talk under threat of torture, but I refuse to go silently.
The motive of the government is the desire to execute prisoners in a timely manner instead of after 20 years of fighting nd publicity while risking the chance that the federal government will not uphold the decision to execute for that time period, which is very likely if the war on terror slows. Publicity in this case would certainly result in many persons involved receiving lesser sentencing.
Bad news. The government appears to have taken down your Facebook page.
They are fucking with my computer though. I look up music and the lyrics are changed. Here is what i have for under pressure by queen ressure pushing down on me Pressing down on you no man ask for Under pressure - that burns a building down Splits a family in two Puts people on streets It's the terror of knowing What this world is about Watching some good friends Screaming let me out Pray tomorrow - gets me higher Pressure on people - people on streets She been around Kicked my brains round the floor These are the days it rains but it never pours People on streets People on streets
that is an abomination hopefully they wont edit these lyrics back to normal
Hmmm . . . Sounds like they're closing in on you. I'll bet they're spying on this forum too. Could be dangerous to chat here.
they have me under surveillance. I will likely draw heat from posting here but i dont care. I plan to flee to the eastern hemisphere shortly anyway. This is not funny, i did nt edit those lyrics either, i always get that when i listen to music because they are on my computer. Post the lyrics from under pressure here, i would really appreciate it.
I'm not sure I want to be under surveillance myself. I've got a wife and kids. Maybe Arturo can do it for you. He lives I'm China, he'll be safe. I live too close to Washington D.C.
They cant take us all First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
It's still working on my end, let me know if the problem continues. I frequently have technical problems which are usually resolvable quickly.
Please join the page at Facebook.com/TheKillList to help save my family
[quote] I am going through my house. Its very sad because all of my family members left things around the house from back in June before they will killed. Receipts from June and boxes of things they brought. They did not live at home either and there are no receipts from any other times. Very sad going through all of their old things [unquote]
According to you, all of your family are already dead, jdjohn 1990.
yes they are all gone. What is your point? They returned home before they were taken and left personal belongings. It is very frustrating, especially knowing i am next. It is hard to believe that they are all gone. Their bodies were never returned nor will the government talk to me about it. Instead they continue to harass me and dehumanize me.
One day ago you said they are all dead. One hour ago you're asking for help to save them.
[quote] Please join the page at Facebook.com/TheKillList to help save my family [unquote]
Somehow - I don't know - but - I think this guy is a character - writing some sort of fiction story for shits and giggles.
No, i wish i was, but it is all true. The american government is treating criminals like terrorists (a political phrase by nature) and denying them their rights.
All of my family is dead and i am next. It all happened so fast and i wasted my last moments to talk to them running down to Atlanta, to Emory Law School where i was set to attend. Now all i have is their memories and that just isn't enough. I am definitely facing perjury charges for talking about this and i'm sure they will find this, but when your facing death you can't fear torture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z10bP9hl1k "they had to cout them all"
I meant help save my family line. I am the last living person in my family, we have no one left. Also, i want people to know what happened to my family. I miss them with all my heart and will spend my life fighting for them no matter the consequences.
Luke Rudkowski: "If President Romney becomes president, he’s going to inherit President Barack Obama’s secret 'kill list'? This is going to be debated. How do you think Romney will handle this 'kill list,' and are you comfortable with him having a 'kill list'?
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/25/headlines#10252
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all
We're in the land of the clueless in denial; or at least those with power are.
It's sad to see America in such a barbaric state
Let's keep this thread active, my life depends on it
I have to say i am very surprised by everyone thinking that someone, a law student, is a troll or crazy. I don't have the time to waste peoples time let alone my own. Further, it is standard to exhaust all alternatives before even considering insanity in a case. I understand that this is a forum and not a police station, but considering the small leap of faith that im taking, that a kill list that has included an american father and son before has included an entire family and covered it up, is not even radical enough to draw the allegation that i am crazy. This is the America we have made for ourselves
I was banned from this site http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/index.php for posting on this subject. I cannot believe how blind people are to the fact that their are kill lists and Americans are on those kill lists
I am going through my house. Its very sad because all of my family members left things around the house from back in June before they will killed. Receipts from June and boxes of things they brought. They did not live at home either and there are no receipts from any other times. Very sad going through all of their old things
That's kind of a feel good statement really.
It is true that the death penalty is unjust and death itself is beyond the scope of justice
here is my mexico story My mexico story My mother killed three people to avenge my rape even though I told her not to. We were put on the kill list. I ran and made it into Mexico; all the way to the first stop where you need a passport. I asked for political asylum and was refused after they contacted the US embassy. On my way back towards the American border I was pulled over because they said I was going to fast even though I was not speeding and they did not have a radar gun. They took me out at gun point and searched my car. They made me call some child and talk to him; I apologized for having killed his brother who I assume my mother killed and he said ok. Some other kid asked me when I was going to start crying, in Texas or Atlanta. They decided to let me go and told me not to stop until they passed me. After three large convoy trucks filled with soldiers passed me I stopped to return because I wanted my license back and my phone which they kept. After I had just pulled over an SUV pulled up and asked me why I stopped. He searched me and told me to keep going. I soon reached the river and was told to get out and swim. I made it to Texas and after wondering for some time with no money some woman pulled up and gave me shoes and some food. I soon realized that I had no choice but to go back to my car in Mexico. I swam back without trouble. My car was there but things were stolen. That night as I drove around I was being followed and I had no money so I decided to go back to America. I got across and slept for the night and realized that I must return to Mexico, there is no other hope. I returned and that night in Mexico as I slept in my car a convoy truck with soldiers tapped on my window and searched me for no reason. They then simply drove off. 10 minutes later another convoy pulled up, searches me, and arrests me for no reason. My car is impounded and I am brought to an abandoned prison. In the morning I am brought to a room and at a table there is the same guy who asked me when I was going to start crying the day before. They said to each other, I can’t believe he came back. They let me go but kept my car. I apologized to the guy who had gave the speech again for what my family must have done to someone he may know. He called me chilly and walked away. I received no ticket or explanation. I get my car out which has been robbed and I drive to the US and get a wire to drive home.