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Forum Post: All 3rd party voters should be aware of this

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 2, 2012, 4:36 p.m. EST by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL
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The below short video shows how major parties (R and D) have used a dirty trick tactic of supporting and funding 3rd party candidates in order to drain votes from their opposition major party (R or D). People should really investigate thoroughly any 3rd party to make sure they are not just a "front" designed to drain votes away from one of the two major parties. Whether this is common or rare, it is something one should be aware of if you are voting 3rd party.

Dirty politics is everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STD75HkzLTU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

I'm voting for Jill Stein. I agree with her on just about everything. That is why.

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Also beware... the Democrats and Republicans are funded by billions in corporate and bankster cash with vested private interests.

Goldman Sachs funded candidates for example were huge fans of the bailouts... Remember Henry Paulson.

[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Goldman Sachs will, indeed, be celebrating it's victory on Tuesday, regardless of who wins.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That is the sad truth. We need good people in office - congress and senate - if we are gonna make positive changes on wallstreet or anywhere else.

In the meantime folks you can pull your money out of wallstreet and place it in local credit unions and savings bonds.

Take your money away from the gamblers who love to lose your money.

Lets all stop feeding the mega monster banksters.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

True, DKA. And, I, too, have my money in a credit union.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good Morning BW.

It is good to be a part of the change that you would like to see happen.

And for something so important as protesting mega monster banksterism.

It is also very simple and easy to do. If the action can spread - It could be really powerful.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

my credit has taking away my ATM privileges

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

And buy local as much as possible!

And avoid Koch products too.

[-] 8 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

A comprehensive list of Koch bros products.

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

[-] 4 points by Renneye (4147) 2 years ago

Now, that much concentrated wealth is just obscene. Thanks for the list Builder.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

And boycott Koch candidates too!

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Damn. This is why we say that the only solution to this cohesive mess is a mass decentralization of everything. No group of people should control that much shit.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2733) 2 years ago

Ok this whole post is now on my favorites bar.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes shop local - for anything that you can.

If you see strikers at wallfart - cheer them on.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

RepubliCons, Heritage, Cato, ALEC, and the T-Potty are also Koch Bros products.

And the Koch Bros are products of the disgraced and banished John Birch Society!

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

That is sadly so true that my heart breaks! But still - thank you for saying it!

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

We must speak the truth for that is the only way to bring about change. Putting our heads in the sand will get us nowhere.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

Heads in the sand leaves butts in the air and that is where OWS is the kicker! Only education about the issues that really affect us all will save us 'real people'. Corporations are NOT people and for our courts to say so makes the law an ass! Protesting and opposing this is self-preservation!

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Well said! That is why I'm voting for Jill Stein. LOL. I've had enough!

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

Way to go but risky in a swing state! I really like Jill Stein and she needs a base for next time. She gets no coverage because she makes so much sense!

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

I'm beginning to think it is more risky to vote for the duopoly.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

I had to hold my nose and vote D as I'm in a swing state but I fully understand your point of view and as you said 'Goldman Sachs will, indeed, be celebrating it's victory on Tuesday'. Sad but true but we, the 99% must keep fighting against this for the sake of the future generations.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

That's the conclusion I've reached. The "safe state" strategy is really pretty dangerous.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

We need to start planning and organizing and strengthening real candidates for the long term.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Another effort to continue after this election is over - find people not in government that would be good representatives of the people - then introduce them to the public - over the internet - show the issues and where the people stand ( or should be standing ) and the positions these future candidates take. As well as pushing issues at our current governments state/federal and report on who supports and who opposes.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

People like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich you mean? Also maybe WE need to be the people we seek! Individuals will come and go but we need a '99% Movement' and this is why OWS is so important! It has only been a year and a solid start has been made. I have to go to work now but thank you for your comments on my 'Inside Job' post and fingers crossed that 'the most worst option', Mitt '1%' Romney - is not the President to be, come Wednesday morning!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Have a good day - and let us all pray that sanity will prevail and mittens will be crying and depressed over his loss.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

Romney "crying" would need him to have some sort of heart so probably not something he could do even if he wanted to. I voted already and have been driving friends and relatives around so they can too and living in a swing state, I'm getting a little anxious now but quietly confident that voting 'the lesser of two evils' will help keep 'the bigger evil', Romney out. Nothing much to do now but cook and wait and watch the results tonight and hope that the lawyers don't have any part to play in the final outcome.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tears of rage for his foiled plans.

BTW - People can make CorpoRATions cry as well:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/after-voting-today-how-about-making-another-statem/

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

I like your positivity. Thank you for the link. Tomorrow the best feeling that I can expect, will be resigned relief if Romney is 'foiled' but although I have no illusions about the Dems - I still have hope, although I get it that it is probably baseless! Now I have more faith in OWS and the Green Party than the Dems.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We still have the fundamental change to make - Get The People Involved - pushing issues - supporting the good and opposing the bad..

Campaigns like Move to Amend are the way to go - IMO.

And we need to continue to talk issues and share/circulate the issues and the discussions out to the public.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Sorry, I don't pray that way;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGoc3E9zFQ

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

aAHhahahaha....Tainted Love - Good One.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

People - Support Move to Amend.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

'Move To Amend' do great work. I am a supporter.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is a great example of how "we the people" need to get together to support/push positive growth/change.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2733) 2 years ago

And Remembering Henry Palson bring back instant memories of The Shock Doctrine Movies.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

You ever see Dear Taxpayer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9BBNUBs1w

[-] 1 points by gsw (2733) 2 years ago

Looks good "give us the tools to make this work". 7 trillion. Should do nicely.

Thank you again taxpayers couldnt have done it without you.

Btw well take some extra tax write offs if you don't mind.

And don't bother asking any questions. We got all past and future presidents paid off.

Have a nice time, till we need your help again, insincerely, the 1 percent.

Ps. Don't have the president get uppity or ask us to help out. That would not be fair. That is what you call mean. Ungratefull. Class war.

Oh yea. Thank your children and grandchildren too.

And be sure to have another 5 percent ready if you ever want to refinance your house.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Thanks for the info. It is always good to be aware, but kind of the same thing if I vote for one of the duopoly or someone they are using as a pawn, isn't it? Can we ever really know what is behind anything/anyone involved in politics?

[-] -1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 2 years ago

I just read an interview w Gary Johnson and he pointed out that if he takes 5% of the vote not only will the Liberatarian Party get some govt funding for the next election, they won't have to spend all the time and effort getting certified on each states' ballot going forward.

Another good reason to vote for the 3rd party candidate of your choice. It's a step towards their 'legitimization',.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Seriously? I'm happy for the Libertarians that they'll be getting gubment money. What a victory for small gubment!!

[-] -1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 2 years ago

Indeed it is, if it helps get them elected!

[+] -4 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

When a candidate has no chance of winning they can afford to make many fabulous promises.

Candidates who have no chance of winning, and siphon votes from real candidates, have deeply questionable agendas.

RepubliCons are the only party/cult advocating thirds. The "both-samers" are at it again!

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/sandy-and-government-thumps-republicon-doctrine-de/

Vote the Cons out!

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Or are you just a Democrap Shill 'WS' ?!

D'you think Orwell would approve ?!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe that WS is RPC/jiffysquid.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

The geezer is 'off his tits' - to coin a colloquialism from my neck of the woods and a real advert for 'just say no' !!! Voting to keep out the 'most worst option' in swing states under the BS Electoral College 'system' and that's a no-brainer !! Anything else is shilling but I don't give tuppence for it !

As Prof. Cornel West says - "Mitt Romney Catastrophe : Barack Obama Disaster" ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32109.htm !!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

lol - umm - just say no? To crack and nasty shit like that - Hey?

I would like to vote to legalize Hemp for all it's wonderful uses.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

SINthetix will fk u up !!! Is 'WS' on meth d'you think ?!! I 'ditto' the rest ! More shockingly :

caveat ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Nasty stuff is made easier to do during times of upset - now there is a Nor-Easter blowing into the East Coast. Hang tough people - do what prep that you can.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tonight @ 9-10:30 EST - Alternative Presidential Debate on RT & Online :

SOLIDARITY @ all 'Sandy Sufferers' & @ 'OccupySandy' !

pax et lux ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Cool - thanks for the heads-up. Even if it does not affect tomorrows voting it will be good to get it out into circulation - for others to review and think about as we continue forward in time.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

As of this time tomorrow, it's ALL about 2016 and building a Mass 99% Movement !!! There was a 40 year record turnout in 2008 & I can't help wondering what it'll be like this time. Time will tell and it'll be interesting.

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I don't suspect any record turnout will be happening this year.

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

The turnout could surprise us 'O' - we'll soon know !!

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I know now that Obama won, but do not know what the turn-out was compared to the last election. You could be right though.

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

A turnout of 60% with Obummer getting ~50% of the popular vote, would still mean that Obomber has a positive vote from 30% of the electorate. This I'd suggest, is very far indeed from 'Democratic' by any stretch of the imagination. Stay well and at a slight tangent :

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Turnout was less than 2008! So probably less than 60%.

We need mandatory voting, support movetoamend.com, nationalpopulatvote.com, opendebates.com.

People stay home, then whine that their candidate didn't get elected. LOL 3rd party candidates didn't get 2% combined! Johnson did better than any other Libertarian candidate in history. and he got 1%.

Now what? The election is over. the campaigning behind us. Can we come together. I only want to find common ground to fight for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

It could be argued that a higher pertcentage (than the 2% who voted) of the 40% of the apathetic people that did not vote would have voted third party. Still the election results show how much work we have to do.

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Thanx. I agree and coming at you again with :

bo val kamrat ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

just not feeling it

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

me neither. I'm not disappointed Obama won, nor am I elated either, just a blah feeling.....wish 3rd party candidates had done better.....it just points out how much work we have to do.

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Seeds have been sown ; starts have been made ; eyes have been opened & a better future is being glimpsed and imagined !!! Onward and Upwards - even when it's 'sideways' sometimes !! 'Avanti' !

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Early voting has been hot and heavy - I take that as a good sign for involvement and concern as to what is happening in this society.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We ( as the saying goes ) have only just begun to fight.

We have gotten started - now we need to continue.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just looked at the link and could not find the alternative debate.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

It was between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. She was BrillianT & I could agree with him 10-20% of the time. I loved watching it. Can't explain that you couldn't watch it. I watched it on nationwide free to view TV here where I am but nearly impossible in the U$A - so telling! I know for a fact that some people watched online in the States. Anyway - Good Luck USA re. tomorrow !!

spero meliora ...

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

How about A Womans Party as the First Third party Presidential Winning Ticket 2016? You know Feminist put this idea out there long ago. But.... You know... I am so tired of Politicans that want to be our Father Figure... telling us what to do, not to do, watching over us, invading our privacy, Big Brother, ... even the media carries messages that we are so dumb we need infomation on how to report problems in our lives to the authorities.

And these Father Figures (Rep & Dems) are ..."Baby Killers", they wage war on poor people in countries too far away to even think about retaliation, with smart bombs, drones, Cruise Missiles, Land Mines, Cluster Bombs, Chemical Defoliant, Agent Orange, and manipulate foreigners to be our Army... Then we don't even count the Dead, Wounded, Refugees, or even report the wounded allies who fight with us. It is sickening. Neocons.

Let's Clean out all Cabinet Heads for all US Departments 2012 under Obama ... and put in Women. The Womans Workers party for Peace. I has to be head and shoulders way above White Men Running Washington (and I'm White BTW).

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"President Jill Stein ?!", by Carl Gibson :

Good Luck with today & here's hoping 'Bat Shit Crazy' Republicons don't tale the helm !!! A woman's party sounds a bit too divisive but Jill Stein was absolutely excellent and hence my link - which is well worth a read. Indeed the voice of women needs to be heard more and more as we men have fkd it up for long enough !!

pax et lux ...

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

From your post below "did we watch the same thing?" .... While I agree with the small govt side of the libertarianist manifesto, you're right in that it's a capitalist crook's dream come true. While Stein seems to be in agreement with some of Johnson's comment, I believe that she'd be happy to just see an end to the duopoly, and I believe that more Americans are of the same view.

It was time for change last cycle, but real change is what's required.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

LOL! I've had a long day but can't not watch !! Hey 'B' - WTF is the purpose of all these damn polls ?!!!

et cui bono ?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

EST is about ten am, Shadz.

I'm supposed to be on the roof, working, but that can wait.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Stein and The Green Party are a BIG hope for the future ! She makes SO much sense and she's a very bonny lady !! Can I say that without being as shallow as a puddle in a car park, lol ?!!! What time you got there 'B' as it's past midnight with me ? ;-)

tempus fugit ...

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Still watching that democracynow debate, and can't believe anyone believes this pathetic excuse for a human in romony.

So good to see how Stein and Johnson are basically on the same team, and Jill twice now made it clear that as long as it's Gary or her, things will be better for everyone.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

My speculation has Romoney as a Replicant Romulan !!! I enjoyed the debate and I thought Jill Stein won hands down !! Though I could perhaps agree with 10-20% of what he said, Johnson's unalloyed 'Libertarianism' was 'economically' extremely unsound and a Corporate wet dream ! Did we watch the same thing ? Lol & :

Going to watch the US Presidential Selection 'results' come in on the BBC - no ad breaks, yaaay, lol !!

From tomorrow we continue to Agit8 ; Educ8 ; Organ-eYes !!!

pax et lux ...

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Okay, watched it to the end.

Jill Stein still gets my vote.

The Mormon guy couldn't organise a nooky in a brothel with a fistful of fifties.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

You Got it Jack. LOL just joking around I haven't slept and Guess I can vote in an hour or so. Yes, Womans party should be brought up in consciousness so that we can pull it off if it ever is needed and possible. But I think men would tend to vote for men in the time being... But I don't know why this is true or has to be true. I guess we are a male dominiated Country. Patriarchy.

Well Jill is on the Candidate List, but Rocky isn't. So Jill is the Lady.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"Tackling the issues the mainstream ignores - Third Party Debate #2" (Video By RT) :

Dr. Jill Stein is a 'doctor/physician' "Dr" NOT some BS PhD in Advanced Libertarian Navel Gazing !! She was absolutely excellent I thought and she bodes well for 2016 .

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

5 8s 4 freedom - M8 ? My bad again - 6 8's not counting M8


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (9044) 1 minute ago

88888 = Five Fat Ladies !!! pax ... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Everyone - all together now - on 3 ... 1 ... 2 ... th- [-] 2 points by shadz66 (9044) 4 minutes ago

Educ8 ; Agit8 ; Advoc8 ; Particip8 ; Liber8 & Emancip8 !!!

per ardua ad astra ... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

88888 = Five Fat Ladies !!! pax ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - and Advoc8 - partcip8


[-] 4 points by shadz66 (9043) 17 minutes ago

My speculation has Romoney as a Replicant Romulan !!! I enjoyed the debate and I thought Jill Stein won hands down !! Though I could perhaps agree with 10-20% of what he said, Johnson's unalloyed 'Libertarianism' was 'economically' extremely unsound and a Corporate wet dream ! Did we watch the same thing ? Lol & :

Third Party Debate #2 : Tackling the issues the mainstream ignores. (Video By RT) - <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32951.htm> .

Going to watch the US Presidential Selection 'results' come in on the BBC - no ad breaks, yaaay, lol !!

From tomorrow we continue to Agit8 ; Educ8 ; Organ-eYes !!!

pax et lux ... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Educ8 ; Agit8 ; Advoc8 ; Particip8 ; Liber8 & Emancip8 !!!

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Until we end our "reckless pursuit of hegemony," we will continue to bankrupt ourselves financially, and morally. Good link.

and du ar valkommen kompis

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"US Elections : The Empty Politics of Duopoly", by Nile Bowie ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32989.htm appended in keeping with this thread and for your consideration in due course

bo val Odin ....

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Thanks, you are a kindred spirit shadz.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

"Seeds have been sown; starts have been made; eyes have been opened & a better future is being glimpsed and imagined!!!" And no, it will not be a straight trajectory upwards, but with 'perseverance,' we will succeed.

So...Vi ar overens min van..... ;-)

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"The Special Interests Won Again", by Paul Craig Roberts : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32973.htm .

och tack kamrat, bo val ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely - I am praying for the best possible outcome. Though there is much to do following the election - like pushing important issues - getting good people in office is an essential.

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Act Local ; Think Global !!! Good Luck USA !! Go Jill Stein !

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

I'm 35 Minutes into it and haven't heard Jill or Rocky Yet, but Obama is just answering the first Question about Libya. Oh this was 23 Oct 2012.
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/10/23/watch_full_expanding_the_debate_special_from_oct_22_featuring_jill_stein_rocky_anderson

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Prof Cornel West endorses & is voting for Pres Obama.

FYI

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Prof. Cornel West will vote for Obomber like he'll wipe his own (x) - because what's the option in a swing state ?!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It is over. We must focus on remaking the system, from the ground up, horizontally, w/ direct democracy. Do you know how that is progressing?

We must fight for the change that will help 3rd parties succeed. (movetoamend, nationalpopularvote, opendebates)

And we must agitate all pols for change the benefits the 99%.

The election is over! the 99% lost!

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"The election is over! the 99% lost!" OMG !!! Tho' I get that you are delirious from celebrating, the extent of your delusion is truly breathtaking !! You really need to stop taking those drugs !

Consider that The 99% Struggle is only just getting started & reacquaint yourself with what OWS is all about :

How about putting up some links to those organisations you mention ? At least that way your comment would not be a total waste of time and effort !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We must come together.

What is the purpose/value of attacking me and my comment.?

Do you have info/status on the"new system"?

Do you have ideas on what we should focus our activist energize towards.?

I am not your enemy.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I have to offer an unreserved apology here VQkag because I absolutely wrote my angry post yesterday having misread your previous comment. For reason now unfathomable, I misread your last line in your previous comment as "The election is over! the 99% WON" !!! So I succumbed to the red mist after a moment of 'word blindness' and also 'prejudice transference' and I am embarrassed and contrite !!

Your points immediately above are sound and I'm an (x) sometimes. Sorry as in my eagerness to post the link and have a self-righteous 'sound off', I had a 'psychic spasm' and 'brain fart' instead !

Thus, with a calmer, cooler & contrite head, I again re-post :

mea culpa ...

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I'm used to the abuse here. It is unfortunate and unproductive.

The election is OVER. I do not want to discuss the parties, other than to devise a way to break their monopolistic grip on our election process.

Mostly I'd like to see people come together without the nasty hateful vitriol to work for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"The Lull Before the Social Storm, by Jack D. Douglas :

My apologies once again and thanx for your good grace above.

fiat lux ; fiat pax ; fiat justitia - ruat caelum ...

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Awwwwww, group hugs. ((((((((>{}<)))))))))

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

LOL !!! You're a 'mushroom' 'B' and I like you !! You 'fungi' u !

One from a countryman of yours who I really dig too :

'Ruffle' pork-bone puppy and munch on a macadamia for me, as I'm off to work now :-)

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The article uses as comparisons several historical events that led to horrible war and death!

The other alternative offered by the article is social revolution, Can you see how we might pursue that alternative? What steps can we take in the west to make that happen? (without violence) How can we improve the lives of the 99% through a nonviolent social revolution? Or do you think the horrible war scenario is inevitable?

I can see that happening, but I am convinced we can & must navigate through this without the death & destruction, of a WW.

Good Article, thx.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Thanx, I agree and talking of "good article", please consider :

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I am solidly for the rolling jubilee, or debt forgiveness, or punish banks by forcing them to cut the debt principle of working class people.

I support a cap on interest rates charged, and all the fees/penalty scams.

There needs to be a non profit public option for credit, like healthcare as well.

There's a lot to do.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"There's a lot to do." --- Yes there is !! & "The Revolution Starts Now", by Steve Earl ;

per aspera ad astra ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"America's Duopoly of Money in Politics and Manipulation of Public Opinion" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32655.htm .

Read it and weep or don't read it and remain asleep !!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

I fucking wish!!!

The Dem establishment won't touch me with a two word email.

Too left.

But don't you risk a nail typing about it, Princess Both-Same of the sacred Unicorn cult.

But I appreciate your concern.

Vote the Cons Out!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

This might wake you up:

Robert Scheer's Columns

Vote for the B-

Posted on Nov 5, 2012

By Robert Scheer

It’s crunch time, and I want to be on record, just in case some still undecided independent voter cares what I think. And one might, since I did write a decidedly nonpartisan book on the origins of the economic crisis entitled “The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street.” I have been a harsh critic of Barack Obama for continuing that bipartisan capitulation to Wall Street, but on this and every other matter of serious contention in this election, Mitt Romney is decidedly worse.

A vote for Obama in a swing state is a no-brainer, because, on a host of issues, including immigration, women’s rights, gay rights, health care, campaign finance, income inequality, tax breaks for the rich and the legitimacy of trade unions, there is a vast partisan difference that should not be ignored. It matters greatly who appoints an anticipated two justices to the Supreme Court, which is already dominated by right-wing ideologues.

In a state where a protest vote will not elect Romney, a vote for the Green Party’s admirable Jill Stein, the consistent Libertarian Gary Johnson, or the populist Rocky Anderson sends an appropriate but measured signal of contempt for the sorry state of our two-party system.

That disgust is warranted by the fact that this president has followed the broad ideological outlines of his predecessor on national security. Witness the continuing assault on due process that is the island prison of Guantanamo and the killing of innocent civilians through drone attacks, as well as the unwarranted Nixonian persecution of alleged whistle-blowers Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.

But on all of that, Obama is the lesser evil compared to Romney, who has promised to increase military spending to fight a new Cold War that might, under his stewardship, turn hot against China, Russia, the forlorn Palestinians and anyone else with whom he can pick a fight. Romney is as dangerous as he is inexperienced in such matters. To compensate for his ignorance, he has turned to the same pack of neoconservative ideologues that lied us into Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

Advertisement On economic policy, Romney has attempted to smear Obama as some kind of big government socialist, although the former vulture capitalist would surely have wasted just as much money as Obama rescuing his friends on Wall Street. Neither candidate would stop the Federal Reserve from continuing to purchase toxic assets to save the banks from their own folly. The candidates split on a bailout of the auto industry, with Obama helping save some decent American jobs, and they disagree about how much the obscenely wealthy should pay in taxes, although sometimes Romney disagrees with himself on that score.

Obama sold out to Wall Street when he appointed Lawrence Summers, who had pocketed more than $8 million in bank and hedge fund fees while serving as a top Obama campaign adviser, to be his key White House expert on the economy. This was an egregious error vastly compounded when he appointed as his Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner, former head of the New York Fed and faithful ally of the Bush administration in filling the lifeboats to capacity with bankers. However, Romney blasts Obama for not being solicitous enough in catering to Wall Street greed and defines the extremely minor reforms of Dodd-Frank as an attack on capitalism, when it is anything but.

As Gretchen Morgenson, the sharpest business journalist of our day, noted in a recent column in The New York Times: “Many Americans probably think the Dodd-Frank financial reform law will protect taxpayers from future bailouts. Wrong. In fact, Dodd-Frank actually widened the federal safety net for big institutions. Under that law, eight more giants were granted the right to tap the Federal Reserve for funding when the crisis hits.”

But Romney finds objectionable even the slightest improvement in transparency and accountability in Dodd-Frank, including a much-needed consumer protection agency championed by Elizabeth Warren. He absolves Wall Street and the Bush administration that let greed run wild of any responsibility for the economic mess and, indeed, seeks to cut funding for programs that aid its victims.

Romney’s talk of the deficit is specious. He would spend multiples of Obama’s stimulus on the military, alone, while relegating the unemployed, disabled and impoverished to the hope of charity and warm weather. Consider the millions of Americans kept fed by Obama’s hard-won extensions of unemployment benefits and food stamps during the worst lows of the recession. How would President Romney have handled such a crisis?

To employ the vernacular used in my day job teaching college students, I give Obama a generous B- grade for initiating a national health care plan that, while flawed, is a start, ending discrimination against gays in the military, easing the student loan crisis, signing equal pay legislation and appointing reasonable Supreme Court justices, among other achievements. Meanwhile, the rapacious capitalist turned candidate Romney—poster boy of the 1 percent—denigrates the less economically fortunate among us while growing filthy rich by slicing and dicing good American jobs out of existence and exploiting every tax loophole to aggrandize his own fortune. He earns a solid F and makes Obama look quite good in comparison.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I watched and was very impressed with Jill Stein earlier this evening in the debate with Gary Johnson so your DemoCrap shilling only serves to send me to a good sleep very soon. Obama very bad ; Romoney fkn horrific - geddit ?! or re. The US 99% as the inestimable Prof. Cornel West so succinctly says :

ad iudicium ...

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

counting unicorns

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Cheering for Goldman Sachs are you?

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Oh yes, that's me. Mr WS!

Consider that politics just might be a little over your head.

Vote out the Cons!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Aww, forced to resort to ad hominem.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Where? Where?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

So, you don't know what democracy or ad hominem is, huh? Okay, but the only guaranteed winner tomorrow will be Wall Street.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - until we the people can start making some real changes - like - Move to Amend - for a start.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

That's right. No matter who wins our government is still not in our hands.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

One subject at a time legislation would be another issue to push by the public.

It all comes down to getting the people involved on a daily basis. (IMO)

Providing a mechanism a good mechanism to do so would be awesome.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

Good point. People do get overwhelmed.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Sometimes these bots forget which site they are on haha.

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Oh, yes it's all a big WS duopoly!

Only let's not go the RepubliCon route until we clear the carnage from our last mistake letting them seize the government. Not eager for more bogus Big Fossil wars, more great recession, more millions dead, homeless, jobless and without health care.

Vote the Cons out!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

So, let's send them a strong message.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

A strong message that we are not oblivious or completely duped: We recognize that nearly all our problems were caused or obstructed by RepubliCons!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

No. Both parties are owned by Wall Street. Neither truly represents the people.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Cons are owned by the 1%, Dems are overruled by the 1% because we betray them.

This whole fucked up, Big$ gets all and calls all situation, is completely the fault of public neglect and abandonment of our political system. Democracy require participation, we don't, Big$ does.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

You are a passionate poster. Now that you got your man re-elected why don't you help with some other issues such as overturning Citizens United, reinstating Glass Steagall, ending the wars and drone attacks, fixing the economic system so it works for all people, environmental conservation, etc. etc.. Step up now and face the issues.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Light years ahead of you!

We had to clear the Con threat first. But they still control the House, that's where the money comes from. And there are still enough in the Senate to block anything and everything.

We need to start a petition of shame, to force the WILL OF THE PEOPLE on Congress so that they are shamed into capitulation and compliance!!!

But we have to do it now, while the tears are still wet!!!!

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Keep Jill Stein in the picture.

Bring her into the #ows movement, and help her organise her mid-term attacks.

Time is precious. Waste it not on frivolities. Focus upon possibilities.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22252) 2 years ago

I definitely think you are right. She is a very strong candidate and could go far. We must stick to the issues that have not yet been fixed.

We need to go back to the Declaration of the Occupation of NYC from 9/29/11 because most of these issues remain unresolved:

http://www.nycga.net/resources/documents/declaration/

[-] 5 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

You buy that shit and we will never break the duopoly!

[-] 6 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (641) 2 years ago

I agree with freaky friday.

[-] 5 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Really a monopoly, with two heads.

When you look at the corps backing both Obomney and Robama, there's your beast with seven heads.

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

OK...but my point and opinion is voting 3rdn party is the only way to get one or 2 into the mix in this country!

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

It's not easy but it can be done. The problem is too many people equate difficult with impossible.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

yes.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

If we could get the whole nation to vote 3rd party, I wonder how that would pan out. I do agree with you.

I'd be tossing up between Johnson and Stein.

[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

Considering you are an Aussie, you could only vote (or contriblute) to our Messiah. Me, It's Gary J next Tuesday.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

I can agitate, which I've been doing for months now.

Sharing info about the controlled "debate" format, and sharing links to the real debate between the real candidates.

It's all I can do.

[-] 0 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

I am not saying that all 3rd-party races are a product of corruption and dirty politics. But the video proves that, theoretically at least, 3rd party can be used for strategic vote-draining purposes, bought and paid for by one or both of the major parties. It would be foolish to take any candidate at face value. You have to thoroughly investigate their backers (unless, of course, you want to be "played" by them as a sucker...they are counting on that in fact).

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are not fronts.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Completely illogical. The two parties use dirty tricks, so in order to avoid their deception, vote for the parties that use dirty tricks.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Shouldn't we push for the election/campaign changes that would correct the unfairness that keeps 3rd parties out of power?

http://opendebates.org/

https://movetoamend.org/

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

These efforts must succeed before a 3rd party has a chance.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

A third party or independent candidate has no chance because there are too many sheep afraid of taking the bold first step toward political freedom.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No reason to insult everyone who disagrees with you.

The country is indeed full of many people. at least 40% non voters as well.

Many believe in their party choice. But it is also the barriers created by the 2 parties that prevent the 3rd parties from getting traction.

If there was a chance for a 3rd party many more people would support them.

The efforts I listed and other changes must occur to remove the obstacles. It will be a long slow process.

[-] 4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

The two parties are like two street gangs, terrorizing the neighborhood with political violence. It's up to the residents, the voters, to stand up against that tyranny and stop cooperating with it.

The only thing preventing us from throwing out the bastards is a fear that has been carefully and deliberately pounded into our heads for decades . We are more powerful and more numerous. Once we realize that their only power is a lie, there is nothing that can stop us.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I can't argue with most of that. I want to see the duopoly fall. I don't see the movement for3rd parties growing. (Perot, & Nader did better but still not well enough.

I can't surrender anything to the right wing while we get the3rd party going,

The election/campaign reform have to be implemented. WE have to make that happen and we can't let right wing extremists win any elections in the meantime.

Peace

[+] -5 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

If they don't care about the viability and the consequences, they can only be working for the Cons. Ignorance of sabotage is still fucking sabotage!

http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/sandy-and-government-thumps-republicon-doctrine-de/

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I understand. but some just need to be shown the way.

Keep fighting, but allow for a way to bring in the uninformed.

[+] -6 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Do you really think TM, hc, shadz, etc. can be shown the way?

But as far as I know, the door is always open for those who finally wake up or reform their evil ways.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Hey 'Winston', are you taking the fkn piss calling me out like that ?!

So WTF is your point exactly 'Mr. Pro-status-quo Duopoly-gist' ?!!

More usefully - "The 1% Pathology And The Myth of Capitalism", by Dr. Michael Parenti :

multum in parvo ...

[+] -6 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Oh Princess Both-Same, don't get your tiara in a hair ball.

You're hopeless, there's no way you'll leave the dark side of deceiving the newbies and unwashed. We know you know exactly what you're doing. As FDR explained so eloquently, we have been dealing with this nonsense for a long time.

So it's a joke to others (not meant for you) in the real world who care that your saboteuring ilk could ever be shown "the way."

Thom Hartmann MCing the 3rds tonight, don't miss it. TH lives in reality, too, so it should be interesting.

Try some Randi, maybe she can show you the real world way: http://www.randirhodes.com/main.html

Vote the Cons Out!!

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Most Dem Politicians ARE Cons - by any measure !!! Just look what happened to the one who wasn't !! You have heard of Dennis Kucinich I suppose ! So yeah - I agree - 'Vote Cons Out' & as I knew you'd bite, here's one for you to choke on :

"Some call Max Keiser a 'traitor' but America's most outrageous political pundit is about to become the most widely watched newscaster on the planet. Here, he explains why he won't be voting in Tuesday's US election." Read it and weep or don't read it and remain asleep !!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Excelent link been looking for this back ground.

[+] -5 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Princess B.S. (both same) will you be OK with encouraging the 500th vote that wins Ohio for Rombot??

Isn't Tara Dacktyl/Devlin awesome:

http://republicandirtytricks.com/about-2/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/chris-hedges-is-voting-green-but-im-voting-for-oba/

Dems aren't perfect, no one is, but they don't do this: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9698

Vote the Cons Out!

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Stop projecting and parading your cross dressing inclinations will you ?!!

Look hchc thinx you're a clown ! So stop proving him right, ok 'Wendy'?!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[+] -5 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

OK, I'll take that as a "yes," P.B.S.

but recrimination is rightie mo #1

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I cant wait until your ignorant ass gets exactly what you deserve the next four years....nothing is worse than fake Occupiers who all claim revolution and then endorse the status quo.

You clowns are the reason nothing is going to change. You and your equally moronic siblings on the right.

[+] -4 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Oh please!

Why don't you fight the tyranny of the 1% effectively instead of doing their dirty work?

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You wouldnt know what that was if it was on the very site you post on.....

Forget which site you are on?

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

It's not about some idealistic quest for perfection. I cannot vote for anyone who claims the right to kill and/or imprison American citizens without any due process whatsoever. Supporting a president who would shred the constitution as Obama has is a grave danger to our rights.

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No. I do not. They will always get my civil, respectful discourse, but I don't see them changing their position. Shadz is not in the same catagory as thr others though.

[-] -3 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Agreed, always nice, but have to poke fun.

But, when only 500+ votes brought us Bush-Cheney-1% hell and the subsequent deaths, losses and this Great Recession... I don't think it's funny no more! Without election reform, a vote for a 3rd is a vote for the Cons, and one vote closer to Bush-Cheney on steroids.

Not cool.

Vote the Cons Out!

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Actually Clinton signed GATT and repealed Glass Steagall. And it was bipartisan.

Just like the Iraq invasion.

Man you are dumb.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The failures of dems supporting bad policy does not change the fact that the free trade, weakened regs policy you mentioned is conservative policies.

All our problems come from conservative policies. Dem politicians who fail should be denounced and replaced with progressives.

And WE must protest for what we want.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No pretense. No need. No one matters here enough to pretend. I have been honest & civil.

I submit we must replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives, & protest for change that benefits the 99%.

Saw the debate. Too bad 3rd parties are frozen out of power.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Actually no borders is a liberal policy. Isolationism is a conservative policy.

Like most other things, I think we need a blend of the two.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Whaaat? Never heard of that. Is that at the center of any of our problems.?

Is there some risk we will be eliminating borders.?

Are you talking about open borders in terms of immigration.?

Are you talking about open borders in regards to trade?

We can discuss either. Who knows maybe we will agree.

Peace.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I thought we were talking about trade....

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I support expanding trade if we can add worker protection, and environmental protection.

I support using the leverage of our market (the largest most powerful middle class consumer market still) to get foreign countries to improve these issues, and to insist that all corps (foreign, domestic) employ some percent of native workers in the country they intend to sell to.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Nice Both-Same RepubliCon campaign talking points.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Actually those are called facts. And it does fuckin suck. But it doesnt change the FACT that it happened that way.

You can either keep pretending this shit isnt happening like this, or you can get fuckin pissed off and help us change shit.

Quite frankly, the last thing this country needs is more bling ass penguins who will just fall in line with whatever, eating shit by the bucket full.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

You'd think Dems and Obama caused and obstructed all your complaints, when in the real wold it was RepubliCons.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Go look at the legislation you mutant.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I addressed the housing crisis and the jobs crisis, which were caused by repealing glass steagall and GATT and NAFTA.

You diverted and dodged as usual.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Because you don't know your history and I'm not your teacher!

Cons did it!!!!!!

Not Dems!!!!

Leverage, hostage taking, deals, ............!!!

Politics!!!!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are correct.

replace repubs w/ Dems, & protest for change that benefits the 99%.

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 2 years ago

11/6/12 marks the end of the Obama regime

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We must reject the right wing conservative policies at the center of all our problems! replace repubs w/ dems!

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Now you're talking.

Cons will never let that happen as long as they hold offices.

HINT! HINT!

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

1st priority. Keep the right wing from office. THEY represent the 1% oligarch PTB.

Watch all they legal challenges the tea party true the vote will try to gum up the vote count.

This is gonna be house to house, hand to hand combat.!

Stay strong, look sharp!

Peace, Solidarity.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Vote out the Cons!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Today is the day.

Will the country keep a progressive path. Or turn back to the right?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

It only took 537 votes in Florida in 2000, just how many Unicorn chasers and both-samers have been enlisted in Ohio?

Ignorance is NO excuse!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/hold-your-nose-and-vote-obama-2012-get-out-of-jail/

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

We defeated some right wing wackos and it is over.

[-] 2 points by john23 (-272) 2 years ago

Also be aware that the only way to change the direction of this country is to vote 3rd party. Voting 3rd party is not a waste of a vote...as it can increase the funds that party receives for the next election which can propel it to a different level.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

All duopoly voters should be aware that the Democratic and Republican parties have used the dirty tactic of conspiring to keep alternative parties out of the debates. http://opendebates.org/

All duopoly voters should investigate the barriers placed on ballot access for alternative candidates. This allows the duopoly to drain votes away from better candidates. http://www.uvm.edu/~dguber/POLS125/articles/nader.htm

Be careful. Your mainstream political party may be a front for corporate interests.

Dirty politics is right in front of your face.

[-] 2 points by Shule (2231) 2 years ago

I'm wondering about Rocky Anderson. I mean like although he's not a mormon, he is from Utah.......

[-] 3 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

Like Rocky, I'm an ex-mormon from Utah and I can tell you that it takes a great deal of strength and integrity for Rocky to do what he has done in such a ultra-conservative state.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2231) 2 years ago

Cool. I'm for that.

[-] 1 points by abhishek0990 (1) 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by Justoneof99 (80) 2 years ago

Clinton asks: ‘Who wants a president who will knowingly, repeatedly tell you something he knows isn’t true?’ Did HE really say THAT!?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I'll vote rocky Anderson

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

The Republicans are better at Strategic Planning than the democracts. It is more a Military Technique from the Right Side of our Government. The CIA does it well (much to our Misfortune). Tricky Dick (Richard Nixon) was probably doing it up to Watergate. And ....

And you Know Corporations have been using Strategic Planning since the 1960s to move production offshore... and excellerated after passage of OSHA Safety Act for the Work place. Even up to agreeing to Union Demands in Detroit in the 1990s ...corporations were increasing their building of factories in Mexico, Central America, and Asia ... as they set up Off Shore Accounts and Corporatate Offices ...to avoid Taxes ... and to avoid paying social security and medicare for employees.

Blame Un-Ethical Strategic Planning ...or Long range Strategic Planning.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/failure-of-us-long-range-strategic-planning-nation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-difference-between-strategies-tactics-goals-fo/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22325) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

GoodNight GoodMorning GoodDay GoodAfternoon GoodEvening.

For those of you in the USA where it is now night time - get a good nights sleep and have an excellent day tomorrow. Forward to the polls and may the best supporters of the people win.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 2 years ago

We need Austria type of voting

[-] 1 points by zacherystaylor (243) 2 years ago

I didn't watch the video but this would actually be great if it is true. It is kind of like a variation of the Prisons Dilemma. If only one of them encourages a third party to drain the others support then they could benefit but if they both do it then the winner is the third party movement since they would rise on both sides and this could be an enormous benefit for those that want to break up the duopoly.

It sounds too good to be true though but even if it isn't we need to support alternative parties since they have both sold out and we lose the less support the alternatives have since they will assume another mandate to steal without alternative support putting them on notice that the grass roots really could rise up and elect someone next time, if not this time.

We'd be playing chicken with either of these two anyway so there is nothing to lose by supporting Stein or for those on the right Johnson or even Jesus!

The alternative is to vote for corporate plutocrats that have virtually pledged to steal from us on both sides.

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[-] 0 points by Brython (-146) 2 years ago

I wrote myself in. I may never get a chance like this again.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago
[-] -1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Bush-Cheney-1% won by a mere 500+ votes in Florida.

Look at how many lives, homes, families, jobs and treasuries were lost as a result!

Vote the 1%-Cons OUT!!

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

don't think anyone is funding those debates

not considering the technical difficulties

Monday November 5th: -Third Party Debate in Washington DC

[-] -2 points by owssux514 (-2) 2 years ago

amazing, This has been going on for YEARS and you children this it's something new LMAO