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Forum Post: ALEC: The Attack on Renewable Energy Continues

Posted 1 year ago on June 14, 2013, 11:31 a.m. EST by shooz (17751)
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ALEC, the legislative arm of the Koch's and their co-conspirators, continues it's attack on renewable energy.

Corporate polluters are taking aim this year at states with renewable energy laws, starting with an attack on North Carolina’s clean energy economy by a corporate front group known as ALEC with support from Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, and Koch Industries.

North Carolina state Representative Mike Hager says he is confident that he has the votes needed to weaken or undue his state’s clean energy requirements during his second term. Rep. Hager is a former Duke Energy engineer and a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. Duke and Progress Energy (now legally merged) have given Rep. Hager $14,500 for his last two election bids, outspent only by the NC Republican Party.

This is where ALEC makes things awkward for Duke Energy: the law that Rep. Mike Hager is targeting (2007 SB3) was created with input from Duke Energy, and Duke explicitly opposes ALEC’s “Electricity Freedom Act,” the model law to repeal state Renewable Energy Portfolio Standards (REPS). Duke Energy re-asserted its support for North Carolina’s REPS law to the Charlotte Business Journal last April and Progress Energy publicly supported the law before merging with Duke. - See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/alec-companies-leads-attack-north-carolinas-clean-energy#sthash.FDGIH6wa.dpuf

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[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

good post

[+] -5 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Thanks, but you're not supposed to notice.

If ALEC's involved, it makes it partisan, or some dumb junk.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

I'm sure if Dem would vote Alec's way .... Alec would embrace them with open arms

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[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

There's a handful out there, and it's attempting spread it's wings to national legislation.

It needs to be stopped in the States as soon as possible.

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[+] -7 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

I've been trying to tell you all along.

As go the States, so goes the nation.

And Mr. Munny?

I did provide YOU with information on ALEC in Mo.

You shrugged and called me names.

You never said another word about what ALEC has done and is doing in your State.

Nope, not a word.

[-] 7 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

ALEC isn't high on my priority list, Mr. Shooz. And for the record all I did was provide you with a link in case you missed it the first time. Nothing rude at all. So why the hostility? And show me where I called you names for providing me with links to ALEC shenanigans in MO.

Forget it shooz. Your attitude problem is exactly why I don't respond to your posts. It's why I didn't comment on your links to MO, not because I ignored them. And it's why I won't be responding to your comment that will invariably follow this one.

This is the third time I've posted that link and I find it odd that when Republicans do it at the state level, you scream to high heaven, but when your god Obama does it on the national level you're strangely silent. Three times silent. Well, two times silent and one time "attack the messenger." If I didn't know better, I could deduce that, and I paraphrase you here, you are "espousing it thru exclusion."

I'm done with you, shooz. That's the second time I made a benign comment to you in as many weeks that essentially supports your position, and both times I get shit for it.

[+] -6 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-united-states-of-alec/

The point that you keep missing is this.

If you don't stop it in the States, how do you expect to stop it anywhere else??

In your last so called benign comment Mr. Munny, you called me names. I didn't care for that.

http://www.progressmissouri.org/alecexposed

Think Global. Act Local.

My guess, is that you like what they've done to the place, or you would have said something about it.

[-] 7 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Sometimes I'll bite once. This is the only one you'll get. I called you a smart ass AFTER you're comments to me. I call it like I see it. Let me refresh your memory. The post was about the Detroit art museum collection. My comment, and I quote: "That would set a bad precedent." Benign? Yes. Truth? Absolutely. It could have been worse, I could have called you a stupid motherfucker.

So, now I'll play your game:

Still no comment on the TruthOut article.

Not a word. Not a peep.

Espousing thru exclusion.

"My guess, is that you like what Obama is doing to the place, or you would have said something about it."

Don't expect me to bite twice, Mr. shooz. I tend to ignore the narrow-minded Obama-worshiping partisan hacks.

[+] -5 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Alright you lying sack of shit.

You find the exact quote that proves I'm an "Obama worshiping partisan".

I want an exact quote, fuck nut.

I'm so sick of the bullshit accusations of this sort, that are just used because YOU have no idea what's going on in your own State.

That can ONLY be because YOU agree with what ALEC has already done there.

There can be NO other reason, nor reasoning.

So you won't bite on the truth.

I'm not surprised at all.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Anyone who wishes to dismiss ALEC should first watch this.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-united-states-of-alec/

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

also...

ALEC has approximately 2,000 legislative members representing all 50 states, as well as more than 85 members of Congress and 14 sitting or former Governors who are considered "ALEC alumni". While the alumni elected to the United States Congress and as Governors are often Republican, around one third of ALEC's legislative members are members of the Democratic Party.

Source: Wikipedia

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

hmm... pls don't get me wrong S... Alec is corrupt as hell ...

my link was to a watchdog site.... and all that is recorded for Alec ... last 3 qtrs... was for..

CAMPAIGN FINANCE $153,829 GIVEN

I found that interesting

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[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

You should watch the movie. Moyers does a good job.

But even that doesn't explore the labyrinth.

http://www.occupy.com/article/secret-surveillance-court-judge-who-signed-verizon-order-attended-koch-funded-terrorism

And don't get me started on the SPN.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

yeah... I'll watch .... and thanks....wasn't aware of http://www.spn.org/

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

There is NOTHING like it on the other "side".

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/SPN

Nothing even close.

[-] -3 points by freedomgirl (-8) 1 year ago

True. This divisive posting belongs on a pro-democrat website.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Yes, we should only talk about the weather, or perhaps the Kardashians.

We should always avoid discussing how the corporations get their way.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

I think the Kardashians might be democrats. We ought not be talking about them either. We'll need to stick to the weather if we are to be corporately correct.

Uh isn't distributed power (the kind renewable energy supports )not also a republican value? Like in Libertarian Republican as least. Maybe we should be talking about that after all.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

again a small percentage cares about the Kardashians

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Ahhh, they don't make the ratings. How capitalist!

[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Name the babay!

I vote for Kimye!

Attacking renewable, distributed energy, is a pet project of the Koch's and their legislative arm....ALEC.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I knew that one - thanks - it was on the tip of my tongue.........

[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

I heard one of them is pregnant..........

Oh the horror.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Truly = The Horror - that such self centered self involved should reproduce....cough......hack...choke......retch......sorry give me a minute very sick at the moment.

[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Isn't it astounding that rich people can reproduce??

They are all over the newsstands, when they do.

So one must assume, it's a rare occasion..............:)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

One would wish that they were as sterile as mules.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

I actually wish that on a certain posters puppet production proclivities.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

energy plants hold a lot of centralized power of a large population

perhaps, the bid against renewable sources is a move against distributed power

[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

It's more about maintaining their profit stream.

As well as their power structure and egos.

It's a thing with pleonexia. A part of the pathology.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well if they are not stopped - they have one real rude awakening coming their way - as they crash the system and end up with nothing as they will have destroyed the economy and all value.

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[+] -5 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

To have any hope of doing that, it's important to know what they have done, as well as what they are doing.

Those that ignore them, do so at the peril of all of us.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And the Koch fuckers are buying newspapers while the msm has already been lost to the corp(se)oRATions.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Their plan is to control the "message".

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They don't want to just control it - they want to create it.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

They hire people and fund "think tanks" for that.

They're not smart. They're very rich and well connected.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They're not smart

Correct. Unfortunately though they are wealthy greedy and insane.

[+] -4 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

I'm sure they fully appreciate this guy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017125444

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That asshole among others I'm sure provides the wealthy/greedy/insane much mirth.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

They probably funded his election, through a network of their favorite "charities".

They're such philanthropists.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They probably funded his election, through a network of their favorite "charities".

No doubt why they howled at the IRS for examining applications.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17751) 1 year ago

Can we still talk about that, now that it's known that a republican started the whole ball rolling?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34976) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I should think so - they are the major corp(se)oRATist party followed closely by the Tea-Baggers.

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