Forum Post: Alec Indoctrination
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 21, 2012, 10:10 a.m. EST by shoozTroll
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SALT LAKE CITY -- You won't see signs for the country's sweetest travel-club deal in the window of your local travel store. To join the American Legislative Exchange Council, your peers must first elect you to statewide office. If you win as a Republican or conservative Democrat, your ALEC state chair will approach with terms of membership you'll find generous, if not impossible to resist. A token $100 buys the opportunity to attend all-inclusive events on ALEC's busy calendar of summits, conferences, and academies, where you and your family can enjoy some of the country's finest resorts and destination hotels. Joints like Utah's Grand America, site of ALEC's just concluded national conference and proud bearer of AAA's "Five Diamond" rating.
http://www.alternet.org/media/inside-alecs-powerful-right-wing-indoctrination-machine?page=0%2C0
This is how ALEC got where it is.
Know that as it becomes even more exposed and notorious, it's activities will just shift to a new and as yet unidentified entity.
Keystone & ALEC
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14592-four-states-introduce-keystone-xl-resolutions-lifting-language-from-alec-and-transcanada
You're not supposed to notice this stuff is Worldwide, or that ALEC has anything to do with it.
That doesn't fit in with the duopoly paradigm.
The one that completely leaves out neolibe(R)tarians, like it was designed that way.
I can't pretend there isn't a huge difference between the parties, even though both have serious problems.
meh
Overall, no one has yet proven there isn't a huge difference.
Most of the appearance of duopoly is due to affects of the MIC or neolibe(R)tarians themselves.
False equivalencies to minimize the crimes of the neocon.
They are an evil organization!
It will continuously morph. Reminds me of a religious or elected official that gets caught in a sex scandal and endures a limited time frame of public shock followed by humiliation followed by tears and apologies. Out comes the reinvented figure with the lesson well learned.......until the next time he/she gets caught.
ALEC is kind of like the original version of citizens united, and those who have fed at the trough will likely return to it..
UPD: ALEC news alert
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15527-efforts-to-deliver-kill-shot-to-paid-sick-leave-tied-to-alec
FYI, (& a worthy bump, I know how much this post was hated by certain people)
I'm sure you'll find these guys involved too.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:State_Policy_Network
It's the new improved ALEC octopus.
Ooooooo. I haven't heard of this group. I did hear that other groups were being formed or growing when we successfully outed & challenged ALEC last year.
Learning new things like this, is a big reason why I come here, & disseminate current info continually.
Thx I'll be watching for them
Does your State have one lump or two?
???? I'm not sure
Unrelated:
Robin hood tax rally
.https://www.facebook.com/events/304925762966633/
Spread the word.
It is the revolving door.
Gang-bangers with suits and Invisalign grills.
I'm with those that say apply the RICO act to all of them and see what's left over when the smoke clears.....................:)
ALEC ID crises
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15743-alec-who-alec-has-an-identity-crisis
FYI In compliment, and deserved bump.
i actually stumbled across this one today
speaking against big ag = terrorism? will ALEC succeed?
http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/expose-food-abuses-face-terrorism-indictment/article21545.html
http://www.opposecruelty.org
We just got their flyer on our door, pretty intense stuff.
This is how they got that law passed in Florida.
ALEC at work.
Obama and many Dems were indoctrinated as well.
Uh oh, looks like we have a corporate MIC Duopoly on our hands!!
There is no duopoly, as I've said before, and you ignored, as usual, it's at the very least a tri-opoly.
Hey look!
Here's a guy from the FED that gets it.
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/4-secretive-ways-wall-street-extorts-you?page=0%2C0
and that's without getting into how they use ALEC to make it so.
A political duopoly in terms of chances of getting real change.
And that can only happen when everybody believes Alex Jones?
YAY! Bullshit!!
PS: pretty good ignore link again. As usual your comment had NOTHING to do with it.
The post was on ALEC, not the Fed.
Try to stay on point. This isnt an easter egg hunt for your childish amusements.
ALEC backs Obama.
Show me! Bullshitter.
http://www.alec.org/
I can't find a word.
Follow the money my friend. The board clearly likes him. They gave him millions:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations#Corporate_Board
WOW!!!
You can google up a list with the best of them.
Find it on the site I provided.
Did you read the tag at the top of the page?
Libe(R)tarian to the core, that's what ALEC is.
I looked, I couldnt find too much on the actual donations to specific political candidates by the corporations that run it.
AlecExposed does a good job of that.
I'm supposed to be impressed because after all these months and the many times it's been posted and discussed by folks, that you finally found it through google?
I'm not impressed at all.
I guess you should have been paying attention in the first place.
Too busy at prisonplanet?
I think someone here posted something about that site a while ago, honestly Im not sure where I learned about it.
Prison Planet has some decent stuff on it, its not all Civil War crazy talk.
"Prison Planet has some decent stuff on it, its not all Civil War crazy talk."
Like I said, you're too busy at prisonplanet to take the time for reality.
Say no more.
The ALEC link has been posted so many times I couldn't count them. You just missed them all.
I didnt miss them, people here just get tired of you acting like your some kind of an ALEC genie that knows more than anyone else. So I figured I post some good hard facts, and see what kind of reaction it got. Still waiting for yours.
And I honestly havent been on that site in probably over a year. Some of their guests are pretty smart, and can be found easier on other sites.
Do you hate RT news too?
You're just full hypocrisy, aren't you?
There's nothing honest about you, or you would have gone back and researched the many threads on ALEC.
Your buddy Alex, doesn't even mention them..........ever.
Why no comment on the tag line at the top of the ALEC site?
Liber(R)tarians!!
It's what they are.
Researched em? You post on them daily. Kind of hard not to miss. Ive commented on them before, but you go off into lala land as usual.
"Limited Government · Free Markets · Federalism"
Well, judging from teh corporations involved, and the politicians and parties they donate to, I can tell you that Limited Government and Free markets are out the window.... FAscism would be more appropriate.
As far as federalism, I dont think they are that interested in states powers too much, they seem to favor multinationals more than anything remotely local.
Don't you hate it when people don't mention certain facts?
So ALEC is the only organization, liberal or conservative, that offers perks to elected public officials? Who paid for Bob Menendez to go to the Dominican Republic? What about when AIG gave Dodd all that money so that he would let the AIG exec's get huge bonuses?
ALEC is the worst. Let's agree to be against AIG, & any other lobbyist,
I guess ALEC is different in that they are pushing anti 99% laws. Right?
I guess, as long as you remember that one of the reasons anybody runs for Congress is to get all those sweet deals
I see much corruption in politicians but I do not speak for them. Time for the people to get money out of politics.
and get rid of the venomous quacks too
Antiworker ALECexposed
http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/Bills_Affecting_Worker_and_Consumer_Rights_and_More
you were Very Quick To find that
Sarcasm? I've been busy. It is still useful if you want to understand that ALEC stands against the 99%. Right?
And so does Obama. He takes money from them.
Although I try to avoid getting partisan (like you) I guess I should say we all know Obama is always the blame for everything! Dems suck! ALEC/Koch is all about Dems/Obama. Right?
Thats why you have the RepubsRtheProblem handle right? haha...
ALEC is clearly all about Obama....and so are you...
http://occupywallst.org/forum/alec-board-members/
Haven't seen that one around much. Obama is secretly a Koch agent pushing ALEC laws. It's always Obamas fault. We accept that as a given.
But you and I agree that ALEC is a great threat to the 99% right?
ALEC should be banished to the abiss, and anyone who accepts money from them or any other lobby should be sent to the north pole to find their way back.
Have fun with the polar bears.
I'll send some Labatt's to make it less painful.
Better not to make this personal eh.? ALEC should be exposed, denounced and all their efforts against the 99% defeated. Whether it is
These are the issues ALEC pushes and the issues we at Occupy stand in opposition to ALEC.
Any politician who agrees with ALEC on these issues nd supports them we can expose and denounce as well.
Oh, and Obama is responsible for all our problems and is a secret Koch/ALEC agent.
Obviously a lobbying group like ALEC goes in direct opposition to Occupy.
Obama isnt responsible for all our problems, its much deeper than just one man. It just sucks that one man isnt on the people's side.
And its no secret that Obama accepts a shit ton of money from ALEC corporations and board members.
So why you aren't saying you're against ALEC? We agree ALEC is in opposition to Occupy. Do we agree that is bad! And do we agree in our opposition to ALECs agenda?
Like ALECS efforts in favor of privatizing Social Security?
When are you NOT going to be full of shit?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/10/1082083/-Trying-to-Tie-Obama-to-ALEC-was-Wrong
The daily kos? Yeah. Like they aren't pushing the (D)umbocrat agenda or anything. Try again.
The only other thing on the subject out there is this and it denies what hchc is saying.
http://www.alec.org/2012/01/1437/
Try and keep up if you're going to make such comments.
then why are you posting links to something as partisan as Daily Kos? Is it because you just want the (D)umbocrats to be in power? Because that will take care of lobbying, like the way Obama has kept lobbyists out of the White House?
Kos is right up there with the Blaze in terms of pathetic-ness.
If you think you can equate Kos with Glenn Beck you are truly lame.
Youre really using Kos? Whats next? Hannity?!!!
Hahah...
That post showed it all. ALEC board members donating heavily to Dems and VERY heavy to Obama, even higher than Romney in some cases. Believe the numbers or believe the hype.
I bet you like the hype, dontcha!
Says the guy that quotes from the John Birch Society.
That's a real laugh, coming from a hypocrite as blatant as you.
OK, here's a bit of truth for you.
Citizens United makes it imperative that that is way it will go, and your belief has absolutely NOTHING to do with the legislation already enacted at the behest of ALEC.
Absolutely NOTHING..
Will I see you at this?
http://movetoamendtampabay.blogspot.com/
Ah, a Kos fan. I loved after the election Kos declared it was a victory for progressives. While their candidates accept money from ALEC.
Kos? Really? Why am I not surprised....just as bad as the righties talking all the Beck nonsense from the Blaze. Two shameful displays of full grown adults chasing their own tails.
If you had been paying attention to your posse member, you would have noticed that I already responded to this accusation, and provided a second link..
But you don't notice much outside of your little box.
Have fun inside of it.
Yes. We must Vex Quasi-dictators To death
Death is a little extreme. Perhaps just retire them.
You're right...death is too good for them.
LOL, I agree. It's true. Water board them. "release the hounds"!
at the very least we should vocalize questions to them at all times.
Absolutely that is the very least.
Verily the Queen's english is Too lacking for me
Ok!
ALEC against democracy!
http://www.thenation.com/blog/172367/gop-version2013-battling-not-just-democrats-democracy
Agreed, money out of politics, and real pro 99% politicians.
Who's Bob?
Was he put through an indoctrination procedure?
If you are concerned about politicians and travel, you should look into this
"Menendez is facing scrutiny for having accepted two trips to the Dominican Republic aboard the private plane of wealthy campaign contributor Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, a Florida eye surgeon. On Jan. 4, Menendez reimbursed Melgen for the two flights in 2010.The Senate Ethics Committee in investigating whether Menendez acted inappropriately in not reporting the plane trips. Last week, the FBI raided the West Palm Beach office of Dr. Melgen."
if only we focused on congressional law and policy
instead of celebrity air faire
It's not just celebrity air fair. There's also this:
A special multimillion-dollar port-security contract Melgen wanted with the Dominican Republic. The politically connected ophthalmologist — who forked over $700,000 to help Menendez and other Democrats get re-elected last cycle — has zero experience in port security. But Menendez used a Senate hearing last summer to lobby for enforcement of the contract Melgen’s company has with the Dominican government.
and earth abides is on my list, thanks
right, the politicians are paid left and right by the corporate clubs
computer port security is dryer than my bones will be in 20 years
thank you for having common sense
Senate ethics committee?
Is that supposed to be a joke, or are they just slightly more ethical than congress?
Of course NOTHING you've posted so far has anything to do with ALEC.
I'm just broadening your horizons so you can see that there is more to corruption than Republicans and ALEC. We all know you like to omit certain important facts, so I'm filling them in for you.
What "fact" is that, and how does it equate to ALEC?
PS: thanks for the bump.
The fact about Atlas Shrugged in the other thread. Who knows how many other times you've twisted things to further your agenda.
Hey, something just flew out the window. Oh, it's your credibility. Better go get it.
I was never too worried about my "credibility" with you.
Really, I'm not worried at all.
You have proven yourself incapable of effective research.
You approach corruption with the same situational ethics you use with racism.
Would you consider an usurpation of elected officials corruption?
I would have to guess that you don't.
Did you find the follow up story on racism?
You won't they bury racism in the south, just as fact as they can.
What follow up? To the hoax that duped you? Just checked. It's still a hoax. And still fooling you evidently.
Why doesn't Menendez's free travel bother you at all? You started an entire thread about that subject, but can't condemn him? With you corruption is terrible if a Republican does it, but Dems get a free pass.
both get away with
LOL....You got one guy.
ALEC's got thousands.
Thousands, who've enacted ALEC legislation.
Will you answer the other question now?
Like I said, it was a story of southern racism that got buried.
You couldn't find a single follow. Not even confirmation of the original cover up.
It's what they've done for hundreds of years.
Yes.
Answer my question about Menendez. Why don't you care? Because he's a Democrat?
and just so you know "Moffitt’s mother confirmed Monday that the Obama T-shirt rumor was false and there was no evidence of sexual assault." Oh, and the victim admitted it as well, but I guess you know better.
OK 2 things at a time.
1.) I don't care who Menedez is, he's ONE guy. ALEC has done this literally, with thousands. All to promote cookie cutter legislation that supports whatever ALEC wants, including, but not limited to actual tyranny. What did you the legislation was that Menendez enacted in say 47 States?
2.) Where's the link?
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You'll have to ask the underage hookers in the Dominican Republic what procedure he was put through.
Oh, you mean Limbaugh.. Now I get it.
You paid for that?
Oh, I forgot. You don't know who Jon Corzine is so there's no way you've heard of Menendez. We gotta work on your news feeds. They are really lacking.
Moyers & Company
The Powell Memo: A Call-to-Arms for Corporations [The birth of an ALEC]
September 14, 2012
In this excerpt from Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer — and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class, authors Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson explain the significance of the Powell Memorandum, a call-to-arms for American corporations written by Virginia lawyer (and future U.S. Supreme Court justice) Lewis Powell to a neighbor working with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. 'Winner-Take-All Politics' Book jacketIn the fall of 1972, the venerable National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) made a surprising announcement: It planned to move its main offices from New York to Washington, D.C. As its chief, Burt Raynes, observed:
http://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/
Didn't you know?
Alec is proof of the duopoly.
So this doesn't count........:(
To some people, mostly those whose States are already wholly owned subsidiaries though.
They seem to want the same for the rest of us.
Gather 'em up, put them in order, build our case. We do it by numbers!
I get chased by them all the time................:)
I consider it an honor.
But let's put a spot light on them for the less seasoned to learn.
Look for those that minimize the actions of ALEC, the Kochs, etc.
They ignore real, provable tyranny.
Yes and ok
Jim Hightower: Poor Alec just keeps bumbling, stumbling, and tumbling.
You could feel sorry for such a hapless soul, except that this isn't a person, but the soulless ALEC – the American Legislative Exchange Council. This secretive corporate front is behind hundreds of regressive and repressive bills that're being pushed through Republican-controlled state legislatures. Its bills and tactics are so venomous that 35 of ALEC's brand-name corporate funders – from Amazon to Walmart – have withdrawn their names and money this year.
But with the billionaire Koch brothers and others behind it, ALEC will continue stumbling ahead with its far-right agenda. Condemning it is one thing, but what's really needed is a non-corporate, independent, above-board, overtly-progressive alternative to ALEC's special-interest, backroom conniving – a clean source of model legislation readily-available for the consideration of local and state public officials and the public at large.
Well, great news folks, ALICE will soon arrive! The American Legislative and Issues Campaign Exchange (or ALICE) is not just a clever play on ALEC's name, but an effective counter to its agenda and methods. Originated by Joel Rogers – one of progressive America's most-creative thinkers and doers – ALICE will offer a one-stop, web-based, public library of about 1,000 model laws on a wide range of policy issues, complete with in-depth background materials. It's a nationwide, cooperative effort that already has enlisted a couple of hundred professors, policy experts, students, lawyers, and others who're volunteering their brains, energy, and time to assemble a first-rate, easily-accessible library open to all lawmakers, mayors, grassroots groups, media, and… well, everyone.
If you'd like to help ALICE in some way, go to www.AliceLaw.org.
ALEC update.
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/01/11951/alec-has-opposed-popular-vote-efforts-which-would-protect-against-partisan-riggin
Watch out they're comin after our votes.
ALICE will have a tough row to hoe, but I wish her well.......................:)
I'm thinkin' about half the posters here have already been indoctrinated.
Just move along, nothing of importance here folks.
ALEC is just looking out for your libe(R)ty and f(R)eedom.
Just because the dummies in Michigan went down doesn't mean the rest of us will
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It better happen fast, as the shift is already on.
http://threesonorans.com/2012/04/24/the-new-alec-the-national-center-for-public-policy/
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If you cut off the head - - - don't two more grow back(?).....or is that a hydra(?) . . . so easy to confuse monsters.....huh......
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I think evil is like the mythical Hydra - cut off one head and two more grow back. But this is due to the fact that in cutting off the head the stump was not cauterized = Enron to WallStreet what kind of monstrous growth - Hey?
how to kill alec
Bill HR 29 Constitutional Amendment XXVIII Introduced in Congress
by Rep. Rick Nolan (D-MN) & Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI)
Section 1.
Artificial Entities Such as Corporations Do Not Have Constitutional Rights
The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only. Artificial entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law. The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.
Section 2.
Money is Not Free Speech
Federal, State, and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit contributions and expenditures, including a candidate's own contributions and expenditures, to ensure that all citizens, regardless of their economic status, have access to the political process, and that no person gains, as a result of their money, substantially more access or ability to influence in any way the election of any candidate for public office or any ballot measure. Federal, State, and local government shall require that any permissible contributions and expenditures be publicly disclosed. The judiciary shall not construe the spending of money to influence elections to be speech under the First Amendment.
Consider your key project – jobs, military, elections, fracking, education, tax reform –
ANYTHING
Now imagine that the 1% opposition cannot spend to get their way against you
This responds to hundreds of local & state resolutions and Move To Amend for a “We the People” Amendment -
The movement for constitutional reforms that would end “corporate rule”.
The Amendment clearly and unequivocally states that: Rights recognized under the Constitution belong to human beings only, and not to government-created artificial legal entities – including corporations, unions, and parties. and that Political campaign spending is not a form of speech protected under the First Amendment. Government belongs to the people & must not be for sale to the corporations and the wealthy and the 1% special interests. The Move To Amend coalition of nearly 260,000 people and hundreds of organizations has helped to pass nearly 500 resolutions in municipalities and local governments across the country calling on the state and federal governments to adopt this amendment. This bill is specifically different from the other proposals that have come forward in response to Citizens United because it also specifically addresses corporate personhhod. In every single community where Americans have had the opportunity to call for a Constitutional amendment to outlaw corporate personhood, they have voted to end “CP”. The Citizens United decision is not the cause, it is a symptom. We must remove big money and special interests from the legal and political process entirely with this amendment.
If you want to understand
Citizens United &
Corporate Personhood &
the Amendment Process
Please visit our OWS CU / CP / Amendment site:
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
►►Support this bill HR29◄◄
Write & email your congresspeople house:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
senate:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
call Rep Rick Nolan to show support 202 225 6211
You're gonna like this one dad.
http://editorialcartoonists.com/#top
In the interest of further indoctrination. ALEC will now re-brand.
Think of them as a "council" for sweetness and light.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15743-alec-who-alec-has-an-identity-crisis
This is ALEC rebranding themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tDUwNjw7ms
Yes of course.
How insightful of you.
Although ALEC just lost Pepsi, Coke, Kraft , and others -
they are too big to fail
And even if the lost 90% of their companies, koch can sneeze up the balance
BUT
Thanks to OWS and the flood of recent PR and zimmerman -
the stench of alec is becoming much more conspicuous
If you think you know America’s biggest threat,
..Koch ?
….Norquist ?
……Iran ?
………Boehner ?
………...McConnell ?
……………Murdoch ?
you are wrong –
……spend ten minutes with each of these
American Legislative Exchange Council
http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.alecwatch.org/
http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection
http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/whos-behind-nras-stand-your-ground.html
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120411/OPINION03/204110317/1008/opinion01/Public-right-skeptical-ALEC
ALEC Corporate member list may not be up to date
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations
2000 ALEC politicians by state they have lost a few! http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Politicians
.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID
And FYI –
ALEC owns 2000 state politicians –
Koch’s tp owns 50 house members
How hard would it be for them to buy 50-100 constitutional convention delegates?
Tell me – what else do you think an Article V Convention could do?
How could that be??
ALEC is just a sign of the duopoly....................LOL
Mostly it seems to have driven a thread on Sanders to the bottom of the heap.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/bernie-gets-itagain/
ALEC targets Unions.
http://www.alternet.org/labor/alecs-plan-kill-union-jobs-everywhere-even-outside-us
FYI, and a bump for the post.
The neolibe(R)tarians behind this are WorldWide.
I've been trying to say, but few understand just how WorldWide they are.
Todays ALEC upd
http://www.nationofchange.org/report-koch-brothers-looking-purchase-several-major-american-newspapers-1363190667
In case you missed it (not likely I'm sure)
Now why would I miss an action done by some of the most recognizable 1%ers on the planet?
Just tryin to keep the info flowin, & the post bumped boss.
I figured you heard.
I found a new article on the subject........:)
http://www.politicususa.com/kochs-shiny-propaganda-machine.html
It's worth another bump.
This article supports what you and I know. Any who read it should see that clearly.
ALEC and their Libe(R)tarian puppets are Obscene, insidious, evil, and enemies of the 99%!!
Actually, ALEC is the puppet of the neolibe(R)tarians.
A non-profit charity..........................:)
Not unlike the first church of the money grubbers.
Ok. puppetry can be confusing. In the end though they are both working against the decent hard working American workers.
True, true, puppetry can be confused and confusing, especially on a forum such as this.
More ALEC news!!!!
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/liberal-groups-blast-american-legislative-exchange-council-laffer-for-pushing-fiscal-snake-oil-on-states.html/
And others
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/19/donors_trust_little_known_group_helps
From ALEC, it's never good news for us little people.
ALEC must be stopped.
http://signon.org/sign/stop-the-american-legislativ
Just kentucky but every bit helps.
Any petition to blunt ALEC is worth signing.
Agreed. They are everywhere. I passed it on as well.
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A sign of the duopoly? Or a part of it? Obviously Bensdad isnt going to speak against the Dems, although Im pretty suprised to hear that Ive been to more Dem events than he has. Not sure if I believe that or not.
I think a lobbying group could be a sign of what a bunch of money whores the people vote for, against their own self interest,
ALEC extreme Agenda Arizona
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15693-new-report-exposes-extreme-alec-agenda-in-arizona
how can you support these guys.
ALEC pushing pro meat laws
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15214-alec-is-now-deciding-what-you-eat
You don't like Bernie Sanders either.
You only really like Ron Paul.
Just like your hero Alex Jones.
I love Bernie, I think he's one of a handful out of 535 who actually gives a shit.
"Right", you just don't give a crap about anything he says.
You do notice he's speaking out against ALEC and WallStreet?
I didn't hear him mention an out of control duopoly.
Bernie Sanders Exposes the Dirty Secret that a Few Wealthy People Control Congress
"The issue is that, to a very significant degree, the Congress of the United States of America is controlled by a handful of extraordinarily wealthy people and corporations, Wall Street being at the top of that list. And unless we address that issue, I fear very much for the middle class. I fear very much for our kids, for low income people and for seniors."
http://www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-exposes-dirty-secret-wealthy-people-control-congress.html
"both Obama and Romney, you know, just played by the rules the last time around. So the politics get flooded with $6 billion, $8 billion dollars of money into these various pots." -bernie sanders
a lot of awesome liberals talk about the out of control corporate takeover of government.
Kucinich, Nader, Stein, Goodman talks about it on democracy now quite often.
Do they spend a lot of time and effort defending and or ignoring the actions of ALEC?
I think not.
Your other posse members do.
I would be pummeled by the wingers for posting anything from democracynow.
You can get away with it, so post some.
you shouldn't do things based on what the "wingers" think. If they're going to pummel you with stupid arguments that will only show how stupid their argument is.
Next maybe you'll release a picture of yourself skeet shooting just because Fox News accuses you of lying? lol
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What are you assuming here?
Oh yeah. Everything.
I have no idea how YOU expect me to comment on this, except to say my statement still stands and I still stand by it..
what statement ?
The one you have to scroll up a bit to read.
Are you out of practice?
ALEC buys politicians?
Yep, and laws too.
laws even more important
I was essentially saying you shouldn't let the way wingers think stop you from posting democracy now videos.
but take that as you will, I guess.
I just find other sources and use my own observations.
People get upset because I think outside the box too.
You say the same three things over and over again. how is that thinking outside of the box?
racism bad ALEC bad Libertarians bad
especially the racism thing. sorry you are not alone in thinking that
American Legislative Exchange Council is anti 99%.
Small government = fewer States.
ALEC is great threat to the 99%. Can't say it enough.
damn right he is
http://www.capitalbay.com/headline/307198-grand-havana-room-cigar-club-in-manhattan-and-alec-baldwin-is-a-member.html
DemocracyNow is a good program. Makes Kos look like amatuer hour.
Well I guess if that guy didnt say it, then we have nothing to worry about :)
if these guys want to claim that, then they really don't know much about Bernie Sanders.
I think I just did a pretty good job of exposing them.
Follow the money, and then decide if that is how you want to roll.
Im not rolling like that, I have at least a shred of desire to not back corporations.
The duopoly doesnt. Its HANDS WIDE OPEN.
You didn't expose anything but your own ignorance.
You can go back to Alex Jones now.
It's where you belong.
There is NO duopoly, except in your head.
You haven't proven a thing.
You don't back corporations?
I suppose you skipped the SUPER Bowl then, "right"?
A slight difference between watching a tv program and openly supporting and voting for people who accept money from the ALEC board, a lot of money.
The truth sucks doesnt it?
The truth is, you are a hypocrite of the most vile sort.
you make up all sorts of stuff why whatever you do is OK, but everyone else doing it as an ass.
That's hypocrisy.
That's you.
That's the truth.
You vote for people who accept money from ALEC. Not just the group, but the BOARD MEMBERS.
That is too freakin funny. What a pawn.
Have fun supporting ALEC.
Can we be against this ALEC effort? Or do we have to count up campaign contributions?
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15136-florida-legislature-pushing-alec-csg-sham-fracking-chemical-disclosure-model-bill
You haven't mention this outrage. Why. This IS Florida! You are claiming to be the Occupy TamPa representative here aren't you?
You occupy is against ALEC.
How you don't know what's goin on around you.?
You've snuck into the voting booth to spy on people?
You have it wrong, as usual.
Must come from a dedication to prisonplanet.
Have fun supporting Rick Scott.
You know you love his neolibe(R)tarian stuff.
That's why you ignore what he's done.