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Forum Post: Alec Indoctrination

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 21, 2012, 10:10 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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SALT LAKE CITY -- You won't see signs for the country's sweetest travel-club deal in the window of your local travel store. To join the American Legislative Exchange Council, your peers must first elect you to statewide office. If you win as a Republican or conservative Democrat, your ALEC state chair will approach with terms of membership you'll find generous, if not impossible to resist. A token $100 buys the opportunity to attend all-inclusive events on ALEC's busy calendar of summits, conferences, and academies, where you and your family can enjoy some of the country's finest resorts and destination hotels. Joints like Utah's Grand America, site of ALEC's just concluded national conference and proud bearer of AAA's "Five Diamond" rating.

http://www.alternet.org/media/inside-alecs-powerful-right-wing-indoctrination-machine?page=0%2C0

This is how ALEC got where it is.

Know that as it becomes even more exposed and notorious, it's activities will just shift to a new and as yet unidentified entity.

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[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're not supposed to notice this stuff is Worldwide, or that ALEC has anything to do with it.

That doesn't fit in with the duopoly paradigm.

The one that completely leaves out neolibe(R)tarians, like it was designed that way.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I can't pretend there isn't a huge difference between the parties, even though both have serious problems.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

meh

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Overall, no one has yet proven there isn't a huge difference.

Most of the appearance of duopoly is due to affects of the MIC or neolibe(R)tarians themselves.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

False equivalencies to minimize the crimes of the neocon.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 2 years ago

They are an evil organization!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It will continuously morph. Reminds me of a religious or elected official that gets caught in a sex scandal and endures a limited time frame of public shock followed by humiliation followed by tears and apologies. Out comes the reinvented figure with the lesson well learned.......until the next time he/she gets caught.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

ALEC is kind of like the original version of citizens united, and those who have fed at the trough will likely return to it..

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

UPD: ALEC news alert

http://truth-out.org/news/item/15527-efforts-to-deliver-kill-shot-to-paid-sick-leave-tied-to-alec

FYI, (& a worthy bump, I know how much this post was hated by certain people)

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sure you'll find these guys involved too.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:State_Policy_Network

It's the new improved ALEC octopus.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Ooooooo. I haven't heard of this group. I did hear that other groups were being formed or growing when we successfully outed & challenged ALEC last year.

Learning new things like this, is a big reason why I come here, & disseminate current info continually.

Thx I'll be watching for them

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Does your State have one lump or two?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

???? I'm not sure

Unrelated:

Robin hood tax rally

.https://www.facebook.com/events/304925762966633/

Spread the word.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It is the revolving door.

Gang-bangers with suits and Invisalign grills.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm with those that say apply the RICO act to all of them and see what's left over when the smoke clears.....................:)

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

ALEC ID crises

http://truth-out.org/news/item/15743-alec-who-alec-has-an-identity-crisis

FYI In compliment, and deserved bump.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

i actually stumbled across this one today

speaking against big ag = terrorism? will ALEC succeed?

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/expose-food-abuses-face-terrorism-indictment/article21545.html

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

http://www.opposecruelty.org

We just got their flyer on our door, pretty intense stuff.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

This is how they got that law passed in Florida.

ALEC at work.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Obama and many Dems were indoctrinated as well.

Uh oh, looks like we have a corporate MIC Duopoly on our hands!!

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

There is no duopoly, as I've said before, and you ignored, as usual, it's at the very least a tri-opoly.

Hey look!

Here's a guy from the FED that gets it.

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/4-secretive-ways-wall-street-extorts-you?page=0%2C0

and that's without getting into how they use ALEC to make it so.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

A political duopoly in terms of chances of getting real change.

[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

And that can only happen when everybody believes Alex Jones?

YAY! Bullshit!!

PS: pretty good ignore link again. As usual your comment had NOTHING to do with it.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The post was on ALEC, not the Fed.

Try to stay on point. This isnt an easter egg hunt for your childish amusements.

ALEC backs Obama.

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Show me! Bullshitter.

http://www.alec.org/

I can't find a word.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Follow the money my friend. The board clearly likes him. They gave him millions:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations#Corporate_Board

[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WOW!!!

You can google up a list with the best of them.

Find it on the site I provided.

Did you read the tag at the top of the page?

Libe(R)tarian to the core, that's what ALEC is.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I looked, I couldnt find too much on the actual donations to specific political candidates by the corporations that run it.

AlecExposed does a good job of that.

[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm supposed to be impressed because after all these months and the many times it's been posted and discussed by folks, that you finally found it through google?

I'm not impressed at all.

I guess you should have been paying attention in the first place.

Too busy at prisonplanet?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think someone here posted something about that site a while ago, honestly Im not sure where I learned about it.

Prison Planet has some decent stuff on it, its not all Civil War crazy talk.

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Prison Planet has some decent stuff on it, its not all Civil War crazy talk."

Like I said, you're too busy at prisonplanet to take the time for reality.

Say no more.

The ALEC link has been posted so many times I couldn't count them. You just missed them all.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I didnt miss them, people here just get tired of you acting like your some kind of an ALEC genie that knows more than anyone else. So I figured I post some good hard facts, and see what kind of reaction it got. Still waiting for yours.

And I honestly havent been on that site in probably over a year. Some of their guests are pretty smart, and can be found easier on other sites.

Do you hate RT news too?

[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're just full hypocrisy, aren't you?

There's nothing honest about you, or you would have gone back and researched the many threads on ALEC.

Your buddy Alex, doesn't even mention them..........ever.

Why no comment on the tag line at the top of the ALEC site?

Liber(R)tarians!!

It's what they are.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Researched em? You post on them daily. Kind of hard not to miss. Ive commented on them before, but you go off into lala land as usual.

"Limited Government · Free Markets · Federalism"

Well, judging from teh corporations involved, and the politicians and parties they donate to, I can tell you that Limited Government and Free markets are out the window.... FAscism would be more appropriate.

As far as federalism, I dont think they are that interested in states powers too much, they seem to favor multinationals more than anything remotely local.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Don't you hate it when people don't mention certain facts?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

So ALEC is the only organization, liberal or conservative, that offers perks to elected public officials? Who paid for Bob Menendez to go to the Dominican Republic? What about when AIG gave Dodd all that money so that he would let the AIG exec's get huge bonuses?

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

ALEC is the worst. Let's agree to be against AIG, & any other lobbyist,

I guess ALEC is different in that they are pushing anti 99% laws. Right?

[-] 3 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I guess, as long as you remember that one of the reasons anybody runs for Congress is to get all those sweet deals

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I see much corruption in politicians but I do not speak for them. Time for the people to get money out of politics.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

and get rid of the venomous quacks too

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

you were Very Quick To find that

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Sarcasm? I've been busy. It is still useful if you want to understand that ALEC stands against the 99%. Right?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And so does Obama. He takes money from them.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Although I try to avoid getting partisan (like you) I guess I should say we all know Obama is always the blame for everything! Dems suck! ALEC/Koch is all about Dems/Obama. Right?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Thats why you have the RepubsRtheProblem handle right? haha...

ALEC is clearly all about Obama....and so are you...

http://occupywallst.org/forum/alec-board-members/

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Haven't seen that one around much. Obama is secretly a Koch agent pushing ALEC laws. It's always Obamas fault. We accept that as a given.

But you and I agree that ALEC is a great threat to the 99% right?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

ALEC should be banished to the abiss, and anyone who accepts money from them or any other lobby should be sent to the north pole to find their way back.

Have fun with the polar bears.

I'll send some Labatt's to make it less painful.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Better not to make this personal eh.? ALEC should be exposed, denounced and all their efforts against the 99% defeated. Whether it is

  • minority vote suppression,
  • right to work (for less),
  • anti womens rights,
  • stand your ground/anti gun control,
  • privatizing schools
  • Austerity/anti stimulus
  • Anti greentech/pro fossil fuel

These are the issues ALEC pushes and the issues we at Occupy stand in opposition to ALEC.

Any politician who agrees with ALEC on these issues nd supports them we can expose and denounce as well.

Oh, and Obama is responsible for all our problems and is a secret Koch/ALEC agent.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Obviously a lobbying group like ALEC goes in direct opposition to Occupy.

Obama isnt responsible for all our problems, its much deeper than just one man. It just sucks that one man isnt on the people's side.

And its no secret that Obama accepts a shit ton of money from ALEC corporations and board members.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

So why you aren't saying you're against ALEC? We agree ALEC is in opposition to Occupy. Do we agree that is bad! And do we agree in our opposition to ALECs agenda?

Like ALECS efforts in favor of privatizing Social Security?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

The daily kos? Yeah. Like they aren't pushing the (D)umbocrat agenda or anything. Try again.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The only other thing on the subject out there is this and it denies what hchc is saying.

http://www.alec.org/2012/01/1437/

Try and keep up if you're going to make such comments.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

then why are you posting links to something as partisan as Daily Kos? Is it because you just want the (D)umbocrats to be in power? Because that will take care of lobbying, like the way Obama has kept lobbyists out of the White House?

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Kos is right up there with the Blaze in terms of pathetic-ness.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If you think you can equate Kos with Glenn Beck you are truly lame.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Youre really using Kos? Whats next? Hannity?!!!

Hahah...

That post showed it all. ALEC board members donating heavily to Dems and VERY heavy to Obama, even higher than Romney in some cases. Believe the numbers or believe the hype.

I bet you like the hype, dontcha!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Says the guy that quotes from the John Birch Society.

That's a real laugh, coming from a hypocrite as blatant as you.

OK, here's a bit of truth for you.

Citizens United makes it imperative that that is way it will go, and your belief has absolutely NOTHING to do with the legislation already enacted at the behest of ALEC.

Absolutely NOTHING..

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ah, a Kos fan. I loved after the election Kos declared it was a victory for progressives. While their candidates accept money from ALEC.

Kos? Really? Why am I not surprised....just as bad as the righties talking all the Beck nonsense from the Blaze. Two shameful displays of full grown adults chasing their own tails.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If you had been paying attention to your posse member, you would have noticed that I already responded to this accusation, and provided a second link..

But you don't notice much outside of your little box.

Have fun inside of it.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Yes. We must Vex Quasi-dictators To death

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Death is a little extreme. Perhaps just retire them.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4147) 1 year ago

You're right...death is too good for them.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

LOL, I agree. It's true. Water board them. "release the hounds"!

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

at the very least we should vocalize questions to them at all times.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Absolutely that is the very least.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Verily the Queen's english is Too lacking for me

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Ok!

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Agreed, money out of politics, and real pro 99% politicians.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Who's Bob?

Was he put through an indoctrination procedure?

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

If you are concerned about politicians and travel, you should look into this

"Menendez is facing scrutiny for having accepted two trips to the Dominican Republic aboard the private plane of wealthy campaign contributor Dr. Salomon E. Melgen, a Florida eye surgeon. On Jan. 4, Menendez reimbursed Melgen for the two flights in 2010.The Senate Ethics Committee in investigating whether Menendez acted inappropriately in not reporting the plane trips. Last week, the FBI raided the West Palm Beach office of Dr. Melgen."

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

if only we focused on congressional law and policy

instead of celebrity air faire

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

It's not just celebrity air fair. There's also this:

A special multimillion-dollar port-security contract Melgen wanted with the Dominican Republic. The politically connected ophthalmologist — who forked over $700,000 to help Menendez and other Democrats get re-elected last cycle — has zero experience in port security. But Menendez used a Senate hearing last summer to lobby for enforcement of the contract Melgen’s company has with the Dominican government.

and earth abides is on my list, thanks

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

right, the politicians are paid left and right by the corporate clubs

computer port security is dryer than my bones will be in 20 years

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

thank you for having common sense

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Senate ethics committee?

Is that supposed to be a joke, or are they just slightly more ethical than congress?

Of course NOTHING you've posted so far has anything to do with ALEC.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I'm just broadening your horizons so you can see that there is more to corruption than Republicans and ALEC. We all know you like to omit certain important facts, so I'm filling them in for you.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What "fact" is that, and how does it equate to ALEC?

PS: thanks for the bump.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

The fact about Atlas Shrugged in the other thread. Who knows how many other times you've twisted things to further your agenda.

Hey, something just flew out the window. Oh, it's your credibility. Better go get it.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I was never too worried about my "credibility" with you.

Really, I'm not worried at all.

You have proven yourself incapable of effective research.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You approach corruption with the same situational ethics you use with racism.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Would you consider an usurpation of elected officials corruption?

I would have to guess that you don't.

Did you find the follow up story on racism?

You won't they bury racism in the south, just as fact as they can.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

What follow up? To the hoax that duped you? Just checked. It's still a hoax. And still fooling you evidently.

Why doesn't Menendez's free travel bother you at all? You started an entire thread about that subject, but can't condemn him? With you corruption is terrible if a Republican does it, but Dems get a free pass.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

both get away with

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

LOL....You got one guy.

ALEC's got thousands.

Thousands, who've enacted ALEC legislation.

Will you answer the other question now?

Like I said, it was a story of southern racism that got buried.

You couldn't find a single follow. Not even confirmation of the original cover up.

It's what they've done for hundreds of years.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Yes.

Answer my question about Menendez. Why don't you care? Because he's a Democrat?

and just so you know "Moffitt’s mother confirmed Monday that the Obama T-shirt rumor was false and there was no evidence of sexual assault." Oh, and the victim admitted it as well, but I guess you know better.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OK 2 things at a time.

1.) I don't care who Menedez is, he's ONE guy. ALEC has done this literally, with thousands. All to promote cookie cutter legislation that supports whatever ALEC wants, including, but not limited to actual tyranny. What did you the legislation was that Menendez enacted in say 47 States?

2.) Where's the link?

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[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You'll have to ask the underage hookers in the Dominican Republic what procedure he was put through.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Oh, you mean Limbaugh.. Now I get it.

You paid for that?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Oh, I forgot. You don't know who Jon Corzine is so there's no way you've heard of Menendez. We gotta work on your news feeds. They are really lacking.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Moyers & Company

The Powell Memo: A Call-to-Arms for Corporations [The birth of an ALEC]

September 14, 2012

In this excerpt from Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer — and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class, authors Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson explain the significance of the Powell Memorandum, a call-to-arms for American corporations written by Virginia lawyer (and future U.S. Supreme Court justice) Lewis Powell to a neighbor working with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. 'Winner-Take-All Politics' Book jacketIn the fall of 1972, the venerable National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) made a surprising announcement: It planned to move its main offices from New York to Washington, D.C. As its chief, Burt Raynes, observed:

We have been in New York since before the turn of the century, because
we regarded this city as the center of business and industry.
But the thing that affects business most today is government. The
interrelationship of business with business is no longer so important
as the interrelationship of business with government. In the last several
years, that has become very apparent to us.[1]

http://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Didn't you know?

Alec is proof of the duopoly.

So this doesn't count........:(

To some people, mostly those whose States are already wholly owned subsidiaries though.

They seem to want the same for the rest of us.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Gather 'em up, put them in order, build our case. We do it by numbers!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I get chased by them all the time................:)

I consider it an honor.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

But let's put a spot light on them for the less seasoned to learn.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Look for those that minimize the actions of ALEC, the Kochs, etc.

They ignore real, provable tyranny.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1377) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Yes and ok

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Jim Hightower: Poor Alec just keeps bumbling, stumbling, and tumbling.

You could feel sorry for such a hapless soul, except that this isn't a person, but the soulless ALEC – the American Legislative Exchange Council. This secretive corporate front is behind hundreds of regressive and repressive bills that're being pushed through Republican-controlled state legislatures. Its bills and tactics are so venomous that 35 of ALEC's brand-name corporate funders – from Amazon to Walmart – have withdrawn their names and money this year.

But with the billionaire Koch brothers and others behind it, ALEC will continue stumbling ahead with its far-right agenda. Condemning it is one thing, but what's really needed is a non-corporate, independent, above-board, overtly-progressive alternative to ALEC's special-interest, backroom conniving – a clean source of model legislation readily-available for the consideration of local and state public officials and the public at large.

Well, great news folks, ALICE will soon arrive! The American Legislative and Issues Campaign Exchange (or ALICE) is not just a clever play on ALEC's name, but an effective counter to its agenda and methods. Originated by Joel Rogers – one of progressive America's most-creative thinkers and doers – ALICE will offer a one-stop, web-based, public library of about 1,000 model laws on a wide range of policy issues, complete with in-depth background materials. It's a nationwide, cooperative effort that already has enlisted a couple of hundred professors, policy experts, students, lawyers, and others who're volunteering their brains, energy, and time to assemble a first-rate, easily-accessible library open to all lawmakers, mayors, grassroots groups, media, and… well, everyone.

If you'd like to help ALICE in some way, go to www.AliceLaw.org.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

ALICE will have a tough row to hoe, but I wish her well.......................:)

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm thinkin' about half the posters here have already been indoctrinated.

Just move along, nothing of importance here folks.

ALEC is just looking out for your libe(R)ty and f(R)eedom.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Just because the dummies in Michigan went down doesn't mean the rest of us will

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[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you cut off the head - - - don't two more grow back(?).....or is that a hydra(?) . . . so easy to confuse monsters.....huh......

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think evil is like the mythical Hydra - cut off one head and two more grow back. But this is due to the fact that in cutting off the head the stump was not cauterized = Enron to WallStreet what kind of monstrous growth - Hey?

  • Lumen ad omnes oportet - ut nemo non videt.
[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

how to kill alec
Bill HR 29 Constitutional Amendment XXVIII Introduced in Congress
by Rep. Rick Nolan (D-MN) & Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI)


Section 1.
Artificial Entities Such as Corporations Do Not Have Constitutional Rights
The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only. Artificial entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law. The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.

Section 2.
Money is Not Free Speech
Federal, State, and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit contributions and expenditures, including a candidate's own contributions and expenditures, to ensure that all citizens, regardless of their economic status, have access to the political process, and that no person gains, as a result of their money, substantially more access or ability to influence in any way the election of any candidate for public office or any ballot measure. Federal, State, and local government shall require that any permissible contributions and expenditures be publicly disclosed. The judiciary shall not construe the spending of money to influence elections to be speech under the First Amendment.


Consider your key project – jobs, military, elections, fracking, education, tax reform –
ANYTHING
Now imagine that the 1% opposition cannot spend to get their way against you


This responds to hundreds of local & state resolutions and Move To Amend for a “We the People” Amendment -
The movement for constitutional reforms that would end “corporate rule”.

The Amendment clearly and unequivocally states that: Rights recognized under the Constitution belong to human beings only, and not to government-created artificial legal entities – including corporations, unions, and parties. and that Political campaign spending is not a form of speech protected under the First Amendment. Government belongs to the people & must not be for sale to the corporations and the wealthy and the 1% special interests. The Move To Amend coalition of nearly 260,000 people and hundreds of organizations has helped to pass nearly 500 resolutions in municipalities and local governments across the country calling on the state and federal governments to adopt this amendment. This bill is specifically different from the other proposals that have come forward in response to Citizens United because it also specifically addresses corporate personhhod. In every single community where Americans have had the opportunity to call for a Constitutional amendment to outlaw corporate personhood, they have voted to end “CP”. The Citizens United decision is not the cause, it is a symptom. We must remove big money and special interests from the legal and political process entirely with this amendment.

If you want to understand

Citizens United &
Corporate Personhood &
the Amendment Process

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're gonna like this one dad.

http://editorialcartoonists.com/#top

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

In the interest of further indoctrination. ALEC will now re-brand.

Think of them as a "council" for sweetness and light.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15743-alec-who-alec-has-an-identity-crisis

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

This is ALEC rebranding themselves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tDUwNjw7ms

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yes of course.

How insightful of you.

[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Although ALEC just lost Pepsi, Coke, Kraft , and others -
they are too big to fail
And even if the lost 90% of their companies, koch can sneeze up the balance


BUT
Thanks to OWS and the flood of recent PR and zimmerman -
the stench of alec is becoming much more conspicuous


If you think you know America’s biggest threat,
..Koch ?
….Norquist ?
……Iran ?
………Boehner ?
………...McConnell ?
……………Murdoch ?

you are wrong –
……spend ten minutes with each of these


American Legislative Exchange Council

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.alecwatch.org/
http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection
http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/whos-behind-nras-stand-your-ground.html
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120411/OPINION03/204110317/1008/opinion01/Public-right-skeptical-ALEC


ALEC Corporate member list may not be up to date
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations


2000 ALEC politicians by state they have lost a few! http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Politicians


.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID


And FYI –

ALEC is doing everything they can do to create
a new constitutional convention [Article V Convention]
that can propose virtually anything:

All public schools – privatized
All medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity – privatized
No cap gains tax
EPA – gone
No corporate tax
Guns for all
No inheritance tax

ALEC owns 2000 state politicians –
Koch’s tp owns 50 house members
How hard would it be for them to buy 50-100 constitutional convention delegates?


Tell me – what else do you think an Article V Convention could do?

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How could that be??

ALEC is just a sign of the duopoly....................LOL

Mostly it seems to have driven a thread on Sanders to the bottom of the heap.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/bernie-gets-itagain/

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The neolibe(R)tarians behind this are WorldWide.

I've been trying to say, but few understand just how WorldWide they are.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Now why would I miss an action done by some of the most recognizable 1%ers on the planet?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Just tryin to keep the info flowin, & the post bumped boss.

I figured you heard.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I found a new article on the subject........:)

http://www.politicususa.com/kochs-shiny-propaganda-machine.html

It's worth another bump.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

This article supports what you and I know. Any who read it should see that clearly.

ALEC and their Libe(R)tarian puppets are Obscene, insidious, evil, and enemies of the 99%!!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Actually, ALEC is the puppet of the neolibe(R)tarians.

A non-profit charity..........................:)

Not unlike the first church of the money grubbers.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Ok. puppetry can be confusing. In the end though they are both working against the decent hard working American workers.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

True, true, puppetry can be confused and confusing, especially on a forum such as this.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

From ALEC, it's never good news for us little people.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

ALEC must be stopped.

http://signon.org/sign/stop-the-american-legislativ

Just kentucky but every bit helps.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Any petition to blunt ALEC is worth signing.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Agreed. They are everywhere. I passed it on as well.

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[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

A sign of the duopoly? Or a part of it? Obviously Bensdad isnt going to speak against the Dems, although Im pretty suprised to hear that Ive been to more Dem events than he has. Not sure if I believe that or not.

I think a lobbying group could be a sign of what a bunch of money whores the people vote for, against their own self interest,

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

ALEC extreme Agenda Arizona

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15693-new-report-exposes-extreme-alec-agenda-in-arizona

how can you support these guys.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You don't like Bernie Sanders either.

You only really like Ron Paul.

Just like your hero Alex Jones.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I love Bernie, I think he's one of a handful out of 535 who actually gives a shit.

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Right", you just don't give a crap about anything he says.

You do notice he's speaking out against ALEC and WallStreet?

I didn't hear him mention an out of control duopoly.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders Exposes the Dirty Secret that a Few Wealthy People Control Congress

"The issue is that, to a very significant degree, the Congress of the United States of America is controlled by a handful of extraordinarily wealthy people and corporations, Wall Street being at the top of that list. And unless we address that issue, I fear very much for the middle class. I fear very much for our kids, for low income people and for seniors."

http://www.politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-exposes-dirty-secret-wealthy-people-control-congress.html

"both Obama and Romney, you know, just played by the rules the last time around. So the politics get flooded with $6 billion, $8 billion dollars of money into these various pots." -bernie sanders

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

a lot of awesome liberals talk about the out of control corporate takeover of government.

Kucinich, Nader, Stein, Goodman talks about it on democracy now quite often.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Do they spend a lot of time and effort defending and or ignoring the actions of ALEC?

I think not.

Your other posse members do.

I would be pummeled by the wingers for posting anything from democracynow.

You can get away with it, so post some.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

you shouldn't do things based on what the "wingers" think. If they're going to pummel you with stupid arguments that will only show how stupid their argument is.

Next maybe you'll release a picture of yourself skeet shooting just because Fox News accuses you of lying? lol

[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What are you assuming here?

Oh yeah. Everything.

I have no idea how YOU expect me to comment on this, except to say my statement still stands and I still stand by it..

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

what statement ?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The one you have to scroll up a bit to read.

Are you out of practice?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

ALEC buys politicians?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yep, and laws too.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

laws even more important

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I was essentially saying you shouldn't let the way wingers think stop you from posting democracy now videos.

but take that as you will, I guess.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I just find other sources and use my own observations.

People get upset because I think outside the box too.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You say the same three things over and over again. how is that thinking outside of the box?

racism bad ALEC bad Libertarians bad

especially the racism thing. sorry you are not alone in thinking that

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

American Legislative Exchange Council is anti 99%.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Small government = fewer States.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

ALEC is great threat to the 99%. Can't say it enough.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

DemocracyNow is a good program. Makes Kos look like amatuer hour.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Well I guess if that guy didnt say it, then we have nothing to worry about :)

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

if these guys want to claim that, then they really don't know much about Bernie Sanders.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think I just did a pretty good job of exposing them.

Follow the money, and then decide if that is how you want to roll.

Im not rolling like that, I have at least a shred of desire to not back corporations.

The duopoly doesnt. Its HANDS WIDE OPEN.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You didn't expose anything but your own ignorance.

You can go back to Alex Jones now.

It's where you belong.

There is NO duopoly, except in your head.

You haven't proven a thing.

You don't back corporations?

I suppose you skipped the SUPER Bowl then, "right"?

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

A slight difference between watching a tv program and openly supporting and voting for people who accept money from the ALEC board, a lot of money.

The truth sucks doesnt it?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The truth is, you are a hypocrite of the most vile sort.

you make up all sorts of stuff why whatever you do is OK, but everyone else doing it as an ass.

That's hypocrisy.

That's you.

That's the truth.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You vote for people who accept money from ALEC. Not just the group, but the BOARD MEMBERS.

That is too freakin funny. What a pawn.

Have fun supporting ALEC.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Can we be against this ALEC effort? Or do we have to count up campaign contributions?

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/15136-florida-legislature-pushing-alec-csg-sham-fracking-chemical-disclosure-model-bill

You haven't mention this outrage. Why. This IS Florida! You are claiming to be the Occupy TamPa representative here aren't you?

You occupy is against ALEC.

How you don't know what's goin on around you.?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You've snuck into the voting booth to spy on people?

You have it wrong, as usual.

Must come from a dedication to prisonplanet.

Have fun supporting Rick Scott.

You know you love his neolibe(R)tarian stuff.

That's why you ignore what he's done.