Forum Post: Adbusters claims the future of Occupy is to be found in anarchy
Posted 11 years ago on May 31, 2012, 6:41 a.m. EST by allen
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/anarchist-tactics-future-of-occupy-movement/
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Abusters stated that “for many, the Black Bloc represents a tactical innovation that suggests the future of Occupy.”
Continued the Soros-funded publication: “And Black Bloc tactics are just one aspect of the overall rejuvenation of anarchism that is happening right now including the increase of infoshops (there are two near Occupy Oakland: The Holdout and The Longhaul); the creation of bottom-up solidarity networks to replace top-down unions; providing free food on the model of Food Not Bombs; offering a compelling DIY aesthetic.”
Abusters declares that “anarchist occupiers are energized and their visceral tactics are attracting members.”
“Now, the power of the Black Bloc is growing within Occupy and pushing the movement in unexpected directions,” the magazine added.
Anarchy is to the 99% movement as canoe paddles are to transportation.
Yet when up "Shit Creek" - pretty damn useful !!!
multum in parvo ...
If you have a canoe. Don't get far with just a paddle.
A plank of wood will do & 'any port in a storm' too !! verum ex absurdo ?!
A plank of wood with a canoe will do, too. | veritas non absurdo |
I was in extremis thinking of "instead" of a canoe. Which may in turn give rise to the almost philosophical question : when up 'shit creek', which is most important - paddle or canoe ?!!
multum in parvo ...
Canoe - if you need to you can paddle with your hands. Don't want to swim shit creek using a paddle as a floatation device.
Ok. No arguing with the stone cold logic of that, lol, even if one had a plank instead of a canoe !! verum ex absurdo ...
LOL - can't help but to think of consequences or alternatives.
I LOVE this kind of post - it tells you something
and then proves it is lying to you !
"Adbusters claims the future of Occupy is to be found in anarchy."
"Abusters stated that “for many, the Black Bloc represents a tactical innovation that suggests the future of Occupy.”"
"for many" the earth is 6000 years old therefore it IS 6000 years old
wow, great sourcing for this, what a piece of sht web site,. . "Soros-funded publication"? so if someone gave money to a donation-run media outlet they then "fund it" ? cool,. so we can "fund" anything that will take a donation, and then claim to be "funders" of it? well ain't that special.
Silly monkey, likes to play with politics,. but your right ball is hanging out your shorts.
Save the property damage aspect of black block activities, I agree, I think I like the black block people more than most. They're motivated, willing to experiment with new ideas, and so on. While I personally don't support the idea of property damage as a protest device, I understand the concept (and I suppose it could be effective in some circumstances). I would at least hope that the black block folks use this tactic sparingly. It would be one thing if there were tens of thousands of anarchists spread throughout the country, in virtually every part of the country, who were willing to go to these extremes. In that case, it would be effective (although the question becomes, do we want to create a world where people become trained to ask for things by burning or breaking things).
But as it stands now, when you have isolated incidents (like a gang of anarchists walking down a street in Oakland, breaking everything), it will at best only attract very young people, and probably turn off older people (and by older I'm talking about virtually everyone over 30).
In my view, any form of violence should be thought of as a last resort, and as a simple rule, it needs to be justified by the circumstances. Since the US is not Syria, I don't see the justification for it.
touché
ows is anarchy, their purpose is the overthrow of the USA as founded. look for a summer of civil and violent unrest fomented by ows. there will be blood. on purpose.
What observations are you basing your opinion on?
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/adbusters-soros-and-the-confused-kids-of-ows/ if that doesnt work do a search for adbusters and george soros.
In other words, you've never been to an occupy demonstration, never spoken (face to face) with anyone involved in occupy, you just read some article and whalla (you're magically informed)?
Let me ask you this, do you trust the media?
did you go to the link? did you read it? i live in nyc, i saw ows in action. abcnbccbscnnmsnbc, all wings of the democrat party, also included is the ny times.
ad busters got 180,000 over ten years
is that suppose to be a living wage?
is that all you got from the site? that was your take away?
try haiku
educate yourself,read what's on the site.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/forum-topics/
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Wrong! At this point, the only way Americans can save the country and people they love is by overthrowing the corrupt government that is destroying their nation. Philosophical anarchist Thomas Jefferson would call the act of doing so "patriotism".
you have been fed a load of garbage.Oh , and congratulations on your lobotomy.
You should learn how to read and then practice what you learn on a history book or two - before they all get digitized and made politically correct.
you're on the top ten list of "useful idiots' of ows.
Please post that list, Chumley. I bet I'm in good company.
I'm sure you are but that's not quite the honor you seem to think it is.
Was there a point here?
The individual ego wins. So much for the collective. Westerners are so violent that even our antiwar contingent is aggressive. Yeah well, maybe I'll go where the people don't do war so naturally.
The only peaceful anarchy is one where everyone knows everything about needs and never places a want over a need.
Adbusters fails. Big agenda, big misleading.
Who cares what adbusters says? They weren't anymore responsible for this movement than a butterfly in the Amazon is responsible for a typhoon in the South China Sea. It was the people in New York, and before them in Spain who started this movement. Adbusters just wants to use them in order to leech off their courage and dedication.
Nobody cares about adbusters.
Adbusters is responsible for this website. And for occupywallstreet.org too.
And . . .
They certainly bear a responsibility in starting OWS. The movement never would have started in NYC if it wasn't for Adbusters that called for it. Sure, we can go back to Spain, then another protest before that, then Gandhi, then whoever was the first human to protest. What's the point of that. Adbusters is the one who gave a meeting date in NYC to start OWS.
Okay, so the question then is does adbusters, or for that matter do the anarchists in OWS as a whole want to be part of a larger social justice movement that includes others, or do they not?
The anarchists have not clearly answered this question, and for that reason are becoming increasingly marginalized within the movement they created.
This is an important question, and if the anarchists are not able to answer it one way or the other then what does that say about the efficacy of their political theory?
I don't ask these questions because I am opposed to anarchists, but because they are questions in need of answers while anarchists still represent even a significant fraction of this movement.
I think anarchists must come out strongly in favor of inclusiveness and a variety of tactics, or risk becoming gradually less and less relevent to this movement. I say UNITY and tactical FLEXIBILITY - what say the anarchists?
For myself, personally, the answer (and I consider no answer to be an answer) will determine if I continue to hold alligance to the OWS movement, or shift to other avenues of working for social justice within the larger movement.
Sincerely, GypsyKing
Allen (Thrashy in disguise) won't be answering you GK. That username has just been banned.
"social justice",please define?
Thanks.
And you're a propagandized Drone that will obediently follow your Masters commands,that would be Adbusters ancientmariner.
the future of Occupy is to be found in anarchy.
Yes, this does seem to be the case; indeed it seems to be a fait accompli...Occupy resembles anarchy. But what about the larger question, the people of the respective sovereign nations? Why aren't they here en masse to demand this concept?
Who and what are you talking about exactly?
how annoying, website calling for violence
we don't and won't support violence
Election Day Tuesday , Fly your flags if you got 'em
Who is "we"? You act like there is some kind of consensus.
the human civilizations that goes on day after day without a fight to be found
"the human civilizations that goes on day after without a fight to be found"
In what variant of the English language does this string of words convey a consistently comprehensible meaning?
Presidents and secretaries are under the lore of balderdash in foggy backward terrain over kumquats.
To be fair, the OWS movement doesn't support anything. Every one tried to turn it into their own personal protests for ( insert frivolous issue that effects them personally ) and ignored the real reason OWS got any support in the first place. I'm glad the Blck Bloc is taking over the OWS protests. They at least have a goal and will stick to it. They wont accomplish their goal but at least they have one.
The black bloc is not taking over OWS. That is ridiculous. You wish. This movement is doing what it has always done. It supports protesting the serious problems with our system that hurts the 99%. The unfair tax system, the weak regulations, the bought and paid for govt. the massive redistribution of wealth from the 99% to the 1%. make some sense.!
And yet the OWS protesters are ( occupying houses ) to keep people from getting evicted. What a joke.
The OWS movement was about removing the corruption from our government. Removing the mountains of money being used to buy our politicians... Occupying a house wont help much with the real issues facing our country.
It is a concrete example of what is wrong with our Country and the current banking practices. So you are wrong. Protests point out issues that need fixing. Draws public notice to the ills in our society. Then it is up to the public at large to address those issues. Confront the criminals - confront the blind eye government and judicial service.
And i agree with you but occupying a house is not addressing the problem. It's like putting a band-aid on a broken leg.
"Our real enemies are not those living in a distant land whose names or policies we don't understand. The real enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable, the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it's profitable, the Insurance Companies who deny us Health care when it's profitable, the Banks who take away our homes when it's profitable. Our enemies are not 5,000 miles away. They are right here at home. "
Mike Prysner
Cut the head of the snake off and the body will die.
The enemy is any and all corrupted politicians that work against the interests of the people. All politicians that support profit over people to the detriment of society and our world have got to go.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/it-is-not-all-one-thing-or-another-thing-it-is-a-c/
Again i agree... But how is occupying a house going after those politicians who support the profits of a few over the welfare of the people ?
This is why the OWS protests are a total joke. You are doing exactly what the elite few want. You are playing their game and losing, because it's set up so you can't win. They know that as long as we fight among ourselves and fight over frivolous issues like a few foreclosures we are not fighting against them.
It is called promoting public awareness to the issues at hand. It is called showing common cause. It is showing that the public at large is not safe is not immune to the dangers of the corruption that is running rampant.
Every one knows their is, or was a foreclosure / housing crisis... What people need to know is why or who caused it.
"Cut the head off the snake and the body will die." Do you understand the meaning of this quote ?
Do you have problems with reading comprehension?
The enemy is any and all corrupted politicians that work against the interests of the people. All politicians that support profit over people to the detriment of society and our world have got to go.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/it-is-not-all-one-thing-or-another-thing-it-is-a-c/
BTW - Ever Hear - OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND
So in other words, were arguing the same thing but your are so ignorant you have to be the one that's correct... OK fine your right and I'm wrong. Happy ? Can we now get to the real issues that we actually agree on ?
You do realize DKAtoday is an 18 year old who posts on this forum in between PlayStation bouts. Don't waste your time with him.
Funny trashy.
I figured it out. lol
Some people care about the working American families who have been illegally foreclosed on by the 1% criminal banksters who pushed subprime loans, hid their poor quality in bundled investment instuments,evicted homeowner victims without having the mortgage proper or following proper proceedure, crashed the world economy and took 99% taxpayer bailouts under threat that they would not unfreeze credit. Remember. Helping the victims of those 1% criminals seems to be exactly what we should be doing.
Read my comment to DKAtoday, it's basically the same reply i would have given to you also.
Won't waste my time. Stop speaking for the 1%. They prey on you and your family. They cannot succeed with getting half the 99% (right wing) to vote against there own interests. support OWS. Vote out pro Norquist, anti Buffett rule politicians.
You should try a little harder to figure out who your friends and enemies really are. You are obviously confused.
If you don't support the people illegally evicted by the 1% bankster criminals how can you be my friend.? We don't agree on this. You think we agree on something? Love to hear this.
I don't support it but i understand that saving a few people from foreclosure is a waste of time. I would much rather save 10's of thousands by going after the people who are illegally foreclosing on people and kicking them out of their homes.
Simple minds think small.
So you're calling these heroes and those who might support them "simple minded". And you think this will endear you to me or anyone in this movement? I can certainly support going after the criminals who have hurt 10's of thousands like you suggest. But it is not "a waste of time" to do ground level grass root work to help individuals. We cannot agree on that. Putting them down is offensive my friend. Bullys put down people to lift themselves up.!
No it actually is...
You are playing the game the elite few want. You are clouding the real issues with frivolous ones. You are taking the pressure off the elite few who are causing the problems. This is why the OWS protests have accomplished absolutely nothing !
As for enduring myself to people, I have a lot more to gain if things stay the same. I have a lot more to gain from lower wages and less taxes. I'm not here to endure myself to anyone but i would like for my children to not have to pay for the mess my generation and the few generations before me created.
OWS has changed the conversation to one of the inequity between the 1% and the 99%. The heroic work of those OWS protesters helping howeowners created this conversation! We must persevere to have that effort expanded to help more people. The debt you discuss is just republican rhetoric to enact more cuts to the programs that serve the 99%. The only way to pay down the debt is to grow this economy, to do that we must help the middle class who will then consume, create demand and force the supposed job creators to hire more people. More employed, more tax revenue, lower deficit/debt. Got it?
lol, how old are you ? 22 ?
That conversation has been going on since before you were born, before i was born. Hell it's been going on since before my great grandfather was born. Only difference is that threw our own ignorance and complacency it's now a problem so big it may very well destroy our country.
Wrong on my age! wrong on the conversation history. No one was discussing the inequity in our system before OWS. The conversation was tea party right wing wacko dominated about the debt oh no we must cut the budget sorry elderly, sorry poor people, sorry middle class college students that was the conversation. Because that is what your republicans planned. Run up the debt with military and 1% tax cuts then claim we "must cut the spending" for future generations. Thats a lot of BS. Save programs that serve the 99%. balance the budget through growth and wealthy tax increases.
VQkag2 said "I don't have to follow your links to know that they had no affect on the discourse of the nation. They were under the radar. Certainly people have mentioned these important issues before OWS. But it is now part of campaigns, even the MSM however unfair they are have covered it. The president and many Democrats have come out in support of the OWS ideals. Republicans have mounted a major attack on OWS. And the national discourse is about taxing the wealthy to balance the budget instead of cutting the programs that serve the 99%. So there."
" VQkag2 said " Wrong on my age! wrong on the conversation history. No one was discussing the inequity in our system before OWS."
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. I'm sorry but you are wrong, very very VERY wrong and you should stop talking and start listening, you might just learn something.
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/1917-cn.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/021400-101.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/041700-101.htm
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/fortune.htm
I can post another 10,000 or so links from just 2000 - 20001 if you would like ? "
I guess ignorance really is bliss.
Blah! Blah! Blah!
You're joking right? There are plenty of books written about this. My great great great grandfather discussed these issues with his comrades just before they cut the Queen's head off. Hell, the issue is discussed in the Bible, and even earlier texts. Plato, Aristotle, etc... all discussed this issue.
Were you born yesterday?
Yeah. this class war has gone on for all time. But in America those speaking for the lower class over the last 40 yrs have been shut out, ignored, ridiculed, drowned out, They have assassinated, they have been demonized, They have been cowed. They fear mentioning poverty let alone address it. Were you born yesterday? So discussions have always existed but not on the national level required to create progress. This great movement (OWS) has achieved that great success already.
VQkag2 said " Wrong on my age! wrong on the conversation history. No one was discussing the inequity in our system before OWS."
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. I'm sorry but you are wrong, very very VERY wrong and you should stop talking and start listening, you might just learn something.
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/1917-cn.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/021400-101.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/041700-101.htm
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/fortune.htm
I can post another 10,000 or so links from just 2000 - 20001 if you would like ?
I don't have to follow your links to know that they had no affect on the discourse of the nation. They were under the radar. Certainly people have mentioned these important issues before OWS. But it is now part of campaigns, even the MSM however unfair they are have covered it. The president and many Democrats have come out in support of the OWS ideals. Republicans have mounted a major attack on OWS. And the national discourse is about taxing the wealthy to balance the budget instead of cutting the programs that serve the 99%. So there.
Arrogant minds ignore the full picture.
I couldn't agree with you more.
I am a Demobot support OWS. Vote out pro Norquist, anti Buffett rule politicians. This does not compute!
I'm more of an extremist and i think we are long past the point of voting. When we force our politicians to pander to the elite few in order to get elected, donations. Is it any wonder why the interests of the elite few are always put before the interests of the average American Citizen ?
No I agree with you I was just making fun of the jackass you were debating and by the way occupying a house might not seem like a big deal in the larger picture but it is a big deal to the family that is about to lose their house.
Occupying a house might be a big deal to the 1 family that it helps... What about the 10's of thousands of other families that are being kicked out of their homes ?
I keep saying it, Cut the head off the snake and the body will die... Fight the banks and remove their power and you will fix the foreclosure crises for every one and not just a few.
Repeat:
OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND
The occupations keep the issue in sight.
You're right... Because you're sitting around banging on drums at some random persons house in who cares USA you are keeping the real problems this country is facing out of sight. Good job, I'm sure the elite few would thank you for it.
To keep ongoing injustice in sight is not doing the white collar criminals or their corrupt government supporters any favors. It is keeping the injustice in view. It is showing daily that the government is not supporting the people.
I think those activists would love to stop all the forclosures but sometimes you can only do what you can do.
If you think small, small change is all you will ever accomplish. We need big thinking right now and big change.
Trust me i understand where you are coming from.
the black bloc IS ows. their purpose is to overthrow the USA as founded. the people that belong to ows and dont understand that are the most useful of useful idiots.
name calling just betrays your lack of logical arguments. OWS is a peaceful movement. A tiny percentage consider themselves bkack bloc. We disavow them and their violence. Sorry. Not even a good try.
the destruction of private property, the throwing of urine at the police, rapes, assaults, all very peaceful. the sole purpose of ows is to foment civil and violent unrest. they are you, you are them.
You don't speak for OWS! OWS is a peaceful movement. It's sole purpose is to get the 99% to unite around the issues that they agree on and change the corrupt system that has been imposed on us by the 1%.
you're delusional. ows is a violent group, thats why they were created by adbusters..........to foment violence. founded by lasn , man that hates capitalism, hates american consumerism. he stated he wants to "wreck the world". the "progressives" have openly embraced this.
Calling me names betrays your weak arguments. The vast majority of OWS protesters are non violent. That's a fact. You focus on a tiny fraction because you want to unfairly discredit the whole movement. You are a tool of the 1% criminals who crashed the world economy, and prey on you and your family. You have no honor!
you're still the perfect pawn "useful idiot" of ows.
You don't fool anyone you republican plant.
sorry skag, although i am a registered voter i am not registered with either party.
Whatever. your partisanship is evident. You support the 1% against the 99%. You speak for them and against your own interests. A fool, A tool. With no honor!!
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I agree with that. Having a goal is what's important. Reaching it is only icing on the cake.
Dr. Martin Luther King vs. AdBusters.
Also, Blockupy in Frankfurt got together with the city and the Polizei to come up with a new tactic altogether. Riot police take off their helmets and walk ahead of the protest march -- 19. Mai 2012.
Occupy Nonviolence and Occupy Canada pages on Facebook have photos and links to video.
The AdBusters people are not that bright. Sorry guys, it's true.
Your Frankfurt story is a hoax. It really didn't happen like that. The photo doesn't show what you think it does. Read about those protests to know what really happened. Hint: Facebook is not a good source for news, unless you want conspiracy theory nonsense.
I have talked with people who were there, both civilian and polizei. There are extensive news reel videos that show how this went down.
The talk of a "hoax" is corporatist disinformation.
The only thing keeping numbers down at the anti-austerity protests is fear of getting beaten up by police or getting arrested en masse. This Frankfurt tactic puts that away -- can allow Occupy to grow to its real potential.
Occupy Security is working on that for the U.S. That is, setting up a protocol that cities can use to minimize costs and liabilities.
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Sounds like they are promoting escalation between cops and protestors to me.
Yes, of course, and I predicted this months ago.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/deconstructing-occupy-a-message-within-a-message/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/is-ows-slowly-going-down-the-road-of-the-flq/
How else do you suppose OWS is going to be able to overthrow the government like in the Arab Spring protests it is inspired by. You can't overthrow the US government without violence.
Thrasy, you got a hell of a reputation on this board. But I do agree with your analysis.
To put it poetically, this is how I see OWS. First it went through its terrible birth pangs, but as support flooded in, it quickly took to mother's breast ; unfortunately it grew into a spoiled and stubborn child that didn't listen to reason so it was kicked out of its home; now it's living on its own at as a rebellious teenager, which might grow into an adult convict spending the rest of its life in indefinite detention if it doesn't get its act together.
The recent promotion of violence is pointing towards the adult convict stage. I think now is the time for people to reevaluate their connection to OWS before they are slapped with the label of "domestic terrorists".
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We can't "overthrow" the U.S. government without nonviolence.
Lennon nailed this one. Look it up.
There's bound to be a lot of nonviolence in there mixed up with the violence.
Violence is for the provos.
It is always sabotage.
Occupy Security got smart about this six months ago.