Forum Post: Achtung! All gun lemmings - your fuehrer has spoken!
Posted 11 years ago on Feb. 25, 2013, 1:07 p.m. EST by bensdad
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“We think it’s reasonable to provide mandatory instant background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere, for anyone”
I found you a cartoon dad.
I think you're gonna like it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022454400
you got it
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/02/11/12155/current-gun-debate-may-not-help-beleaguered-atf
Wayne is really pissed - Court just ruled that A#2 does not guarantee the right to have a concealed carry permit.
Make no mistake about it. The anti-gun nuts want ALL our guns taken away. They’ve called for a dozen or more different zany gun restrictions. Everything from gun insurance, limited magazine capacity, banning some weapons and so on. The end game is to regulate gums out of existence.
Do not believe anything a anti-gun person says. They are liars and tricksters who only want our guns. Do not give an inch, for they will take a mile. Do not agree to ANY mew gun restriction. It’s another step toward taking all guns. They are more interested in taking legal guns than reducing gun crime. The NRA is right. We can’t trust the gun grabbers any more than Wall Street or the banks.
I for one will keep my rights and not give up my guns. There are millions, maybe tens of millions, like me. We will not give up our rights or our guns.
"The anti-gun nuts want ALL our guns taken away" "The end game is to regulate gums out of existence."
"Do not believe anything a anti-gun person says."
"They are more interested in taking legal guns than reducing gun crime. "
Hey Mr. troll 1+1=2
Not a troll. Just a member of the 99% who wants to keep my rights. It’s logical and rational to understand the anti-gun folks want ALL the guns. Just ask them, they’ll tell you.
I am one & I know many - NO ONE wants to take all guns
Why cant those of your ilk say what you want about your own position without lying about other people's positions & beliefes
can you name a single elected official or organization that wants to take away all guns?
your mother, maybe? Are you now or have you ever been - committed ?
Do a search on “banning all guns”. That will provide several links. I believe you when you say YOU don’t want to ban all guns. But it’s naïve to thinks that’s not the plan. They want to do it a step at a time until all guns are gone.
Have you seen some of the crazy proposed anti-gun legislation? They want to make it almost impossible to own a gun. They are trying to legislate guns out of existence. Most gun owners understand their plan and won’t give an inch. The anti-gun folks have no credibility. They cannot be trusted.
SO- here are the seach results for "banning all guns"
1. How to Slow Firearm Deaths Without Banning All Guns ... More Science:: The Science Agenda:: March 12, 2013:: 15 Comments:: Email:: Print; See Inside How to Slow Firearm Deaths Without Banning All Guns Like it or not, guns ... www.scientificamerican.com/...death-without-banning-all-guns - Cached 2. Obama's Assault Weapon Ban a Prelude for Banning All Guns Kris Zane: Obama's Assault Weapon Ban a Prelude for Banning All Guns. Learn more about www.westernjournalism.com/...weapon-ban-a...banning-all-guns - Cached 3. Obama’s Assault Weapon Ban a Prelude for Banning All Guns ... Obama’s Assault Weapon Ban a Prelude for Banning All Guns. February 18, 2013 by Bob Livingston . Rate this: personalliberty.com/2013/02/18/obamas-assault-weapon-ban... 4. Danny Glover: Banning All Guns Prelude to End of Violence Lethal Weapon star Danny Glover looks tough handling a gun on screen, but in real life he wishes Americans didn't have the right to bear arms. Glover, who ... www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/02/21/danny-glover... - Cached 5. Danny Glover: Banning All Guns Prelude to End of Violence ... Danny Glover: Banning All Guns Prelude to End of Violence. Lethal Weapon star Danny Glover looks tough handling a gun on screen, but in real life he wishes Americans ... www.theinnoplex.com/.../danny-glover-banning-all-guns... - Cached 6. Danny Glover: Banning All Guns Prelude to End of Violence | Lethal Weapon star Danny Glover looks tough handling a gun on screen, but in real life he wishes ... newrepublicoftexas.com/news/danny-glover-banning-all-guns... - Cached 7. Danny glover: Banning all guns prelude to end of violence ... Page 2- Danny glover: Banning all guns prelude to end of violence Politics, Religion & Controversy forums.corvetteforum.com/politics-religion-and... - Cached 8. If Banning All Guns Is Evil If Banning All Guns Is Evil. Home Our Blog > Tweet. If Banning All Guns Is Evil . Show Comments MOST POPULAR IMAGES ON ... www.photoblip.com/pictures/90355/if-banning-all-guns-is... - Cached 9. Gun control isn't about banning all guns (Reply #8 ... Nobody expects that and most don't want to see it happen. I'll assume you already knew that and ask why you even bothered to post this? ww.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&...
DANNY GLOVER ???????????????????????? when was he elected to what ?
"Have you seen some of the crazy proposed anti-gun legislation? They want to make it almost impossible to own a gun."
SPECIFICALLY - HOW?
I assume that today, you can buy a $300 legal add-on to a legal AR15 to create a fully automatic machine gun at 800RPM
I don’t own an AR-15, or any semi auto rifle anymore. I did own an AK-47 many years ago, but never even fired the thing. Just not interested in those type guns. I own one bolt actions rifle these days. I own a total of five guns, including a shotgun. The shotgun is my home defense weapon. I only own one gun (pistol) that could be illegal if magazine capacity is restricted. Other than the one Beretta the proposed ban and mag restriction won’t affect me.
So, I’m not a gun nut. At least when compared to some people I know. I legally carry a gun sometime. My only interest is self defense. However, I’ve owned many guns over the past fifty years; and taken many self defense shooting classes.
The ONLY time I would ever pull a weapon would be if I sincerely felt my life or someone’s else’s life or safety was in danger. My State has a stand-your-ground law. But it’s always better to leave or back away from confrontation if you can. Better a bruised ego than a $5K - $10K legal bill. Also I’ve already made up my mind I’d never shoot anyone over a property crime.
But I digress. I’m not convinced it will end with a few restrictions and bans. When they see new restrictions won’t make a difference they will continue to implement more restrictions. And the cycle continues. And because of this I will fight and protest ANY new proposed gun restrictions.
I respect your opinion, but disagree. Two questions -
How totally locked up are your guns?
( no - I dont w ant your address )
and if "your" child gets hi hands on one and accidntally kills a neighbor, and yo u have no assets, who does the victim sue?
I assume that you know that a gun at home is 20+ times as likely to kill a family member than protect you.
I own three gun safes. Two small biometric, fingerprint. Safes and one large key lock safe. These small safes have immediate access if needed. And I do have a pre-school granddaughter that visits and spends the night week. She understands not to touch guns.
Responsible? Obviously if a child got to one of my guns, whether they harmed anyone or not, I would be responsible. Silly question.
very glad to hear about your safes. YOU are one of the good ones. What percent of you friends' guns are in safes?
I know this is unanswerable - but if all gun owners were that responsible, Sandy Hook would not have happened
This is the thing. You seem to see me as the exception rather than the rule. I submit the vast majority of the 80+ million gun owners are as responsible with their guns as I am. Gun owners are your friends, neighbors and family.. So, I’m back to my original point. We honest and law abiding guns owners aren’t the problem. If you really want to reduce gun crime go after the street gangs and the drug gangs. Taking guns from responsible people won’t affect crime. Nor will implementing new bureaucratic gun restrictions.
I think we’re beating a dead horse, so I’ll let it be for now.
peace, bro!
1999 one position - and now in 2013 he backs off of that position. F'n idiot. Flip floppin away - flip floppin away - the nearer the destination - the more they keep flip floppin away ...... ( to the tune of slip slid-en away Simon and Garfunkel )
So funny!
It is not the guns in-and-of-themselves, but rather our nation's cavalier attitude towards them. Why are we not regulating video games, and gun porn? Most other countries do. In many nations in europe one is not allowed to play video arcade games unless one is over 18.
I mean like just look at the cartoon.
How many of the last 10 year's mass murderers were under 18?
We have too many guns - we cant take them away, but we can regulate them .
How many of the last ten years mass murderers started thinking crazy because of watching too much violence? To be honest, I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure our violent media certainly has a great impact.
I'm not against gun regulation, but the real problem is the attitude.
I'm against greed - lets make it illegal
I'm against televangelists telling people - send me money & you will get into heaven - lets make it illegal.
I'm against homophobia - lets make it illegal
I'm against the 1% buying our democracy - lets make it illegal
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO
What are you complaining about? Why we have the best democracy money can buy! Oh, you mean that IS the problem?
attitude cannot be legislated
..., But video games and gun porn can.
England & AU have rules similar to ours on vids & games
and they're blood thirsty warmongers like us. Luckily they (I'm not sure about the Aussies) have gun laws in place to counter that.
AU: Tougher laws & gun buyback on target
January 15, 2013 Andrew Leigh
Since the 1997 gun buyback, your chance of being a victim of gun violence has more than halved.
To understand the policy success of the National Firearms Agreement, it's important to recognise precisely what happened. Alongside the gun buyback, what had been a patchwork of state and territory regulations was strengthened and harmonised. Self-loading rifles, self-loading shotguns and pump-action shotguns were banned. Firearm owners were required to obtain licences and register their weapons.
While the changes were backed by the then Labor opposition, political credit must go to then prime minister John Howard and National Party leader Tim Fischer for standing up to the hardliners in their own parties. They paid a short-term electoral price but history will judge them well.
In the 1990s some argued that the gun buyback would make no difference to the firearms homicide and suicide rates. Yet careful studies have shown otherwise. In the decade before Port Arthur, Australia had an average of one mass shooting (involving five or more deaths) every year. Since then, we have not had a single mass shooting. The odds of this being a coincidence are less than one in 100.
The gun buyback also had some unexpected payoffs. While at the Australian National University, in work with my former academic colleague Christine Neill, I looked at the effect of the Australian gun buyback on firearm suicide and homicide rates. Shocking as mass shootings are, they represent a tiny fraction of all gun deaths. If there's a gun in your home, the person most likely to kill you with it is yourself, followed by your spouse.
Neill and I found that the firearm suicide and homicide rates more than halved after the Australian gun buyback. Although the gun death rate was falling before 1997, it accelerated downwards after the buyback. Looking across states, we also found that jurisdictions where more guns were bought back experienced a greater reduction in firearms homicide and suicide.
We estimate that the Australian gun buyback continues to save about 200 lives per year. That means thousands of people are walking the streets today who would not be alive without the National Firearms Agreement. Other work, including that by public health researchers Simon Chapman, Philip Alpers, Kingsley Agho and Michael Jones, reaches a similar conclusion.
For the United States, where Alpers will present research on the Australian experience at the Summit on Reducing Gun Violence in America this week, reform is tougher. According to the General Social Survey, 32 per cent of US households own a gun, and a patchwork of city and state laws means that restrictions in one jurisdiction are often undercut by people travelling interstate to buy a weapon.
Historically, the US National Rifle Association was a moderate body, akin to some Australian shooting groups. It supported the first federal gun laws in the 1930s, and backed a ban on cheap ''Saturday night specials'' in the 1960s. Since the 1977 ''Cincinnati Revolt'', when hardliners took over, the NRA has opposed all restrictions on firearms ownership, including bans on assault rifles and armour-piercing bullets (''cop killers'').
Members of Congress rate the NRA the most powerful lobbying organisation in the nation.
The challenge for American legislators today is to stand up to these powerful extremists, and follow the example of Australia's leaders in 1996. With 86 Americans dying each day because of gun accidents, suicides or homicides, perhaps our experience can persuade sensible US legislators that there is a better way. As in Australia, the onus is on the conservative side of politics.
For Australia, the challenges in firearms policy are more modest, but still real. All states and territories should heed the call from the Minister for Justice, Jason Clare, to implement a national firearms register. This will help to keep track of weapons when they are sold or their owners move interstate. And it will help to ensure that Australian firearms do not fall into the wrong hands.
Andrew Leigh is the federal member for Fraser, and a former professor of economics at the Australian National University.
As an aside, I really get a kick out of that observance that the most likely person to kill you is yourself, and the second is your spouse. Yes, I've made that observation before having reviewed murder statistics over the years. The stats go on to show that after your spouse the next most likely person is somebody in your family, then a friend, then somebody you know, and on. Funny, the person you can trust the most is a complete stranger...
a stranger has no invested interest
aint guns fun?
I found some cartoons that you might like to post. I'm sort of pro-gun, but I always like comix.
First on is Wayne Lapierre (I didn't realize he looks sort of simian ...)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/28/181244_a181715/mcclatchy-cartoons-for-the-week.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/28/181244_a181596/mcclatchy-cartoons-for-the-week.html (On the Safety Net)
how much did the gun manufacturers make after Obama's administration lifted the child soldier ban?
Your fuehrer has also spoken and he's pro-giving assault weapons to children in foreign regimes. He also kills Americans without trial and he has ACLU lawsuits thrown out of court and suppresses torture evidence claiming national security.
He's also pro-war much like the NRA is. Gun manufacturers are making a killing on the defense budget that has continually increased.
But go ahead and act like you're a saint and everyone else is evil.
And fuck the NRA. I actually like this post. Just coming from you it is very hypocritical.
-cause of death: drone strike
Another piece of cartoon propaganda. The guns in the sights of gun control advocates contributes to a small proportion of the total gun deaths. Again, this is nothing more that an attempt to curtail freedom.
sort of like requiring a car license & car registration & car insurance
or we could just repeal the 2nd amendment and make gun ownership a crime.........would that solve the 'gun' problem?
I have heard 100+ pols demanding more gun control.
Can you name one pol that advocates repealing the 2nd Amendment?
wayne & alex jones dont count
why do I need a pol to want the 2nd amendment repealed?
I have heard no politician demanding repeal
can you name one?
Me. I want it repealed. Must I have the support of a politician to express my views?
Must I have the support of a politician to express my views? [ my answer - NO ]
The nra & the gun lemmings & racists claim
"Obama & the gun controllers are going to take away your guns"
Do you believe that? [ I don't ]
Why do YOU want it repealed ? [ I dont ]
I want the 2nd amendment repealed because I dint think that violence should be a right. I could care less what yobama thinks about my opinions.
boy, I sure had to dig a long time to get to the
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Response successfully provoked..........man Im good at this!!!!
who on this site would have been considered Untermensch in the day?
You seem to like taking the low road - so I guess you could be a candidate - along with some other trolls/shills of note.
some times, I think in the light. some times, I think in the dark. Sticks and stones, pal.
Although mostly, you don't think at all.
This would be one of those times.
I.. think.. a lot. Like, is there any common ground between the two sides of the idealogical divide? Is this nation worth saving? Or is it time to part ways?
You're leaving????
When?
If you have to ask that question you should go as soon as possible.
It would be the best thing for you, to get away from the FLAKESnews faux fact flingers.
I hear tickets to Somalia are cheap these days.
LOL
Nah!!! I am staying. do not want to miss the show.
Rats.
I was hoping. What time are you starting the show?
Is it live, or is it Memorex?
Not enough talent there shooz - but please continue to yank it's chain - it is about the only entertainment one can expect from it.
But there was supposed to be a show...............:(
Yeah buddy I know - but what can one expect from a shill - Hey? Other then an aerobic work-out slappen em down.
Not much, I guess..........
Exactly - they are pretty much an all around let down ( bummer ) even to their masters.
I haven't seen any of these clowns make a cogent comment on fracking, the tar sands, ALEC, the Kochs, or any number things OWS actually protests...........
Perhaps I should remind them of the candlelight vigil for Travon Martin?
I wonder how the gun nutters would react to that?
You would have em frothing at the mouth and barking/howling at the moon.
You and shooz look like two bumbling idiots. You don't have the minimum intellectual requirements to discuss ideas on the table, so you resort to attacking the proposer with name calling, and other logical fallacies. You do this to everybody on the site. You're like two mentally crippled children.
Put a new idea on the table.
Your "bridge to the ground" flopped a while back.
Bringing it back is a bit of a fallacy in and of itself.
As for name calling?
You just called me mentally crippled.
I believe the $50 term is ad hominum.
Will that impress you?
You must take some time to study logical fallacies, the art of proper debate, logic, etc... This will make you a more interesting and intellectually rigorous person. I can't teach you directly, I can only point you in the correct direction.
At this point, the only idea worth discussing on this forum is a Bridge to the Ground. Occupy protesters in affinity groups are dealing with all the rest, and they deal with that in practice. What we discuss here does not affect them, it's just piss in the wind. We need to create a Bridge to the Ground to give meaning and purpose to discussions on this forum.
I'll tell you what.
I'll think about it once I start seeing your comments on threads concerning things OWS has performed actions against.
You don't seem to want to do that at this time, and like I said, the bridge to the ground thing already flopped.
Oh, and by the way, this is a public forum, not a debate hall.
Get over it.
Your $50 terms suck and you use them inappropriately.
Let's debate the proper art of debating. Go catch up on logical fallacies, and when you're ready for this debate let me know. Don't be afraid of education.
The applicable $50 term here would be inappropriate response.
Back on topic. Would you consider yourself a gun lemming?
Try and stay on topic and refrain from insults.
I did.
You wish - we just are not gonna waste time on you.
Tired so tired of your lame ass stupid shit.
Each time, after approaching the limit of the amount logical fallacies you can spew in one sitting, your brain becomes stressed and recoils to a childlike state in order to protect itself. Sort of like a turtle retracting its head into its shell when it's seen too much of the real world.
This is interesting in itself, but what is even more interesting is that your writing patterns become those of a 14 year old girl writing an SMS to her punk boyfriend. You use words like "U", and "R". There's something very Freudian here.
I'll go out on a limb. I believe your life was quite easy when you were young. You come from a good family. Not intellectuals, but people of comfortable means. Your fibromyalgia rendered your adult life a pain. This is sad, and being sick is quite a challenge. I believe you use this childlike writing when under stress because it brings you back to a time when all was well. Back to the good years.
Furthermore, I believe there was a time when you exchanged ideas, thoughts, etc... with a cousin or a young lover through the use of letters. When you were a pre-teen perhaps. Unconsciously, you imitate the writing of this young female when you come under stress. If the computer permitted you, you would dot your I's with little hearts.
Imitating the childlike writing of your first love; The writing of a young, innocent 14 year old girl; This simple, yet naive style; is like covering your confused and stressed soul with a blanket of calmness.
So. It seems U R right on track - building up 2 your regular meltdown.
I suggest you educate yourself. Take a few months to learn the art of proper debate, and to learn everything there is to know about logical fallacies. Study the art of analyzing the worth of an idea without being influenced by the proposer. You're old and sick, but don't let that stop you from learning a new trick or two. We can always learn more.
U R funny - U who in all this time since this forum began and U started attacking it - U who have not been able to learn any new tricks - U who spews the same crap to infinity. HAH.
I do not have that kind of talent; My wife is a big reader of fiction; I think the real world in all its twists and plots is far better. I am just an appreciative spectator.
Cool.
Give her your keyboard. It's bound to be an improvement.
Sorry, pal. We both share the same right wing fascist views. but she is definitely my better half.
All of that remains to be seen.
Just give her the keyboard and go to the bar or something.
Thanks for fessing up to being a fascist though, honesty is refreshing.
My mission? To be the thorn of reality in the untopian bubble.
Keep tryin - right now you make for a good hemorrhoid on the sphincter of the world.
however I can throw counterarguments to what I believe is fundamentally wrong with the majority of these arguments, I will willingly wear that mantle.
It suits you. Hemorrhoid on the sphincter of the world.
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however I can throw counterarguments to what I believe is fundamentally wrong with the majority of these arguments, I will willingly wear that mantle. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
If it were a political advisory role, I think I would volunteer to serve for our current crop of clowns running Washington.
Are you sure you don't mean topiary bubble?
Thorns don't pop those.
No problem at all. More of us than you think. My wife is my savior, though.
Just put her on. I've already assumed she may be smarter than you.
Definitely. But I am older and have seen more shit.
The nation is not nearly as divided as it seems. And will always bond together in times of great stress, like 9/11.
Its media that keeps the divide going. About 2/3 of the nation doesnt care about politics, or are so disgusted by the current crop (last 20 yrs) that they simply have removed themselves in order to maintain sanity.
But, there is necessarily a divide that exists in any and all elections. It is a classic divide between rural and urban, Northeast and South, Midwest and West. I am inclined to believe that the ability to come together is irrevocably lost. Why? because communication is so immediate and continuous. there is seemingly no break between an event or a statement, and its anouncement. No way to hide your view; no way to hide your agenda; no time between event and anouncement to come up with a decent bullshit story. Every election since the time of Clinton has been the "most important election in our history" This is no accident; the lines have been drawn, and there is no crossing them. One side wins; one side loses; no second place consolation prize. Nor should there be. The game of world domination is still undecided.
Rubber & glue douche.