Forum Post: A Question - So You Believe a Racist Is Any White That Doesn't Renounce The White Race To Support Another?
Posted 11 years ago on June 7, 2012, 9:13 a.m. EST by HoozaRacist
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That's about it isn't it?
We all came out of Africa some 250,000 years ago. We differ from chimps in DNA makeup by only 1.2% (with 2.7% of those differences being copies of the same code).
And you are hung up on race questions? LMFAO!
Racism is just pure ignorance.
Personally, I don't have any CHIMP DNA in my biological or scientific make up or that of my ancestors,,,,,,So once again..... "Alleged" Medieval. adages about Race that have been burned into peoples psyche.... Particularly on these shores.......
What is the advantage of being so hung up on Race anyway???
Yes you do. "Denial ain't just another river in Egypt"
Personally, I don't have any CHIMP DNA in my biological or scientific make up or that of my ancestors,
First of all, you are in denial my child....If everyone came from Africa it wasn't a chimp you came from.....it was a dark skinned FATHER AND MOTHER, the first families of the earth...... A monkey cannot give birth to a human, only a mutant....are you all mutants?.
And if you did.....then your family is a part of the family of slaves that were "allegedly" brought to these shores.....NOW....get a grip on reality...or go back to your cocoon, or would that be.....cave?
KennethMiller on the Common AncestoryTheory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_c3CkSmT3c [right click]
Biology has answered very important questions about the relation between humans and the other primates
Theories.....what man, or mad men...think, perhaps, might be true. Theories, what most unenlightened individuals accept as truth in order to feel that there is actually someone out there who knows what they are doing, or what they are talking about! Yet, this earth gets more messed up with these theories century after century....and people are still dying just to have human dignity. Why is that? I am sure, those who truly know the truth aren't going to tell you shyt! You know why? Because they like keeping people like you under foot, at their beck and call, mental slaves, ignorant and oblivious to reality. So.....now we know why most nations are in the shape they are in. They believe in BULL SHYT!!!!
I doubt seriously that I am your child. I am 58 years old, so don't patronize me. If you don't understand the scientific principles of Evolution and the genetic proof of my statements, yes, you are in denial. There exists a preponderance of evidence that we share an enormous amount of DNA sequences with various diverse species, including amphibians.... they are dormant genes.
I never stated that a monkey can give birth to a human being, that is preposterous. However, we all share the same origins and have split our family trees over the millennia.
To deny objective scientific evidence is to be living in the cave of ignorance and darkness. You need the candle my friend. I am sorry that the educational system has failed you so completely.
KennethMiller on the Common AncestoryTheory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_c3CkSmT3c [right click]
Biology has answered very important questions about the relation between humans and the other primates
Are these European scientific principles, or the scientific principles that were destroyed when the books of Ancient Africa were burned? Just trying to get a grip on YOUR reality, my child of the dust!!!
Are you referring to the scrolls that were burned when the Library at Alexandria was torched?
No, I am referring to all, and I do mean ALL the expeditions that have ever been initiated by man against man, mankind against man, and mankind against mankind, women, children and nations all across the earth!!!
Please, this destruction has been going on for so long it makes you all dizzy!!
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Us dizzy?.... Ancient Books of Africa? How about laying a few titles and authors on us.
I already did. But in your dizziness, you overlooked them.
Maybe you all need a Doctor?
Oh please enlightened one, please give this lowly soul of dust another chance and list the authors and titles of the lost burned books of Ancient Africa.
What's are you referring to geo......? Afraid of a truthful answer?
[-] 1 points by geo (1279) from Concord, NC 1 hour ago
By adhering to ideas created 6,000 years ago, I wouldn't say that your are either. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink (reply?)
6000 years ago? What idea are you talking about?
Racism, theories, god, heaven, hell, evolution....what?
Never afraid of a truthful answer.... go ahead bring it. So far you have talked in circles.
Play with this asshole....read about your founding fathers and the great racial divide they created... Now when you have finished that...tell me if you can... What race are you....Really and how did you get that way?
"First of all....why not look at what the "alleged" experts say and then draw your own conclusions. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html Next let us go back in time and see where race labels began and recall that "race" is a European concept. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O119-RaceConceptof.html "The word race was introduced to English from the French in the late 16th century." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/ Understand the reasons behind race labeling since no one knows for sure who the first man on earth was (if they do they ain't telling) or did to create such differences in the alleged "races" If there were first men, then who can prove what race, color, nationality or creed they were? If you can....then please do so. But let's understand what Benjamin Franklin said about the "alleged" races and why pale skin Europeans came to these shores and conquered other nations across the globe! http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/01/benjamin-franklin-and-white-and-red.html Now, with that being said......how many of you can truly say that your DNA is not a mixture of all "alleged" races. If there is no mixture then you are either: A) Asiatic.....whose biological make-up consists of melanin. B) Pale Skin Europeans (Europa).....whose biological make-up consists of no melanin whatsoever! In order to understand racial identity, one must first understand why it even exists since there is really no recorded history of race, even in the Bible other than the color of ones skin! So, to answer your question....I don't believe any race can renounce any other race, especially their own, because there has been too much AMALGAMATION and they have no clue who they are mixed with. Unless they trace their true ancestry! Have you done that?"
Please stop responding to me with your inability to accept the fact that you don't know shyt from shinola (got that?) The only reason you continue to respond and won't accept a reply is because the truth hurts you, very deeply. So in a childish way, you continue to post yet cannot present anything in a proper perspective to back up even your most immature responses...so do me a favor...Get Lost.. Oh, never mind...I forgot....you already are. Face it...you are a child amongst many....Now...go back to sleep!! We are done here....
Please stop responding to me with your inability to accept the fact that you don't know shyt from shinola (got that?) The only reason you continue to respond and won't accept a reply is because the truth hurts you, very deeply....... ...how many of you can truly say that your DNA is not a mixture of all "alleged" races. If there is no mixture then you are either: A) Asiatic.....whose biological make-up consists of melanin. B) Pale Skin Europeans (Europa).....whose biological make-up consists of no melanin whatsoever!
Here is the truth... ready?
Contrary to what you just posted, there are no races. All living humans belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens. You see races where science sees none.
End of story.
Homo sapiens Look up Homo sapiens at Dictionary.com
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Homo+sapiens
Only albinos have no melanin.
Not really, your mind just doesn't have the capacity to comprehend, but then again that has been the problem of mass indoctrination throughout history. Furthermore, whether you believe or not, whether your cronies believe or not.....It won't ever change the truth....now will it....so my question to you is.....how important do you really think your opinions or anyone else is in the scheme of reality? And......what makes you think I even give a damn?
Hey, go play with someone else's marbles.
You assume you had marbles to play with in the first place.....
Go ask your Pope...or better yet......the corporate wall street conglomerates who are re-inventing the slave trade here on these shores....
If your families don't know or haven't taken the time to enlighten you.....then they certainly do.
I don't have a Pope.
Oh...well, I guess I am really wasting my time here.
You all's perception of reality is not evolving either..
Hey....good luck kids!!! Hope you get this racism thing figured out!
By adhering to ideas created 6,000 years ago, I wouldn't say that your are either.
what other kind of scientific principles are there?
in the net and on the stick - intentional blocking of internet access can not be blocked
The theory of evolution never said we came from a chimp, it says we came from a common ancestor.
Which is........??????????????
Ardipithecus ramidus who lived 4.4 million years ago.
Yeh, Yeh....and the Moon drips with blood!!!
vagina
Is that of the Silverback or the Albino?
Never said we came from a chimp, only that we share much of the same DNA. By implication that DNA was from our common ancestor.
KennethMiller on the Common AncestoryTheory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_c3CkSmT3c [right click]
Biology has answered very important questions about the relation between humans and the other primates.
Which is.......??????????????????
Humans are freaks of nature. The great apes have 48 chromosomes.Humans have 46. Two of our chromosomes are fused. How did this happen? It's a mystery.
Common Ancestory with Apes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_c3CkSmT3c&list=PLD133F8D5B6577D13&feature=view_all [right click]
I do not believe that is consistent within a major or particular race of individuals. Who do you have reference to? Perhaps your ancestors chromosomes were and still are fused.
There have not been enough studies on ALL NATIONS OF PEOPLE in order for anyone to come to that conclusion now is there? Perhaps your ancestors were and are freaks of nature, but my ancestors have no time line or time frame for a beginning or an ending....so who can really say where we came from or how we got here or determine what we are truly created from as we are creatures existing upon the rich elements found on this planet?.Particularly, Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, and sulfur are the six most abundant elements in the human body anyway. But does that mean we are plants, gases (literally speaking) or are we pure air, earth, fire and water? Your mad scientists are the real "Freaks of Nature" for putting out all sorts of constant, mythical and false bull shyt regarding our origins as people!
Are you a creationist? What are your beliefs?perhaps your ancestors aren't human. The boiling point of water depends on the atmospheric pressure, which changes according to elevation. The boiling point of water is 100°C or 212° F at 1 atmosphere of pressure (sea level), but water boils at a lower temperature as you gain altitude (e.g., on a mountain) and boils at a higher temperature if you increase atmospheric pressure (lived below sea level).
Chromosome Fusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmbWhkU-_ak [right click]
Creationists and Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUYRo4gjiYM&feature=fvwp&NR=1 [right click]
Reference Ken Miller
What does it matter to you what I believe? It is what you are comfortable with regarding all this nonsense of evolution, human vs non-human, etc. Perhaps being a human is not one of my major questions of life, since I am here and none of you can honestly say where I, or my forefathers origins lie....now can you? Besides, since what we supposedly consider as human beings does not make for a gentler or more humane society, now does it? Nor are these alleged humans, any higher in thought or actions regarding what they do to other men, women or children and one another beyond that of beasts...so who cares? I am happy with who I am, where I came from and that is what keeps me at peace within myself and with others of similar thought! Now, if you need more answers....find out what and who you are before you keep believing in BULL SHYT theories of the past...that's all I'm saying!
DNA/RNA is something people have learned, scientists (cell biologists i.e.) anyway, ties all living things together. If someone could honestly say where your origins lie would you, could you accept that in part?
Darwinian Threshhold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaGa3n4uoEc&list=PLF067C13F9E9A68A9 [right click]
What is known today is both awesome and humbling.
There are stranger things in heaven and earth than dreamt of ... But BULL SHYT theories of the present, in your face everyday should bother a lot more people. Such as the War in Afghanistan, Military spending,9/11, Collapsing Buildings at WTC, War on Terror, The economy, How the Republicans are still getting elected, Fox News, why the capitalist system hasn't been replaced with something a lot more egalitarian, why is there a problem with universal healthcare, etc.
I didn't create that! Your people did! So why in the hell are you all so angry? Because they created the BULL SHYT you all continue to believe in and put so much GD fear in you that your thoughts have been frozen in time? Really, are the masses that ignorant that they would rather die than to just change their way of thinking? Only you and you, each individual give these oppressors the power to control you.....no more and no less. STOP BEING WEAK!!!
The right to protest has only flickered from time to time for a few thousands years of recorded history. The first recorded war was in 2700 BC between kingdoms in what is now Iraq: Umma and Lagash. A treaty had been broken thousands of years before Greece and Rome. Lagash won. The armies of Alexander and Caesar were not segregated.
The current race issue began less than 500 years ago. Religion places a larger role in creating human conflict. Conflict between religions goes back to the beginnings of civilization, assuming the divine right of kings was upheld before Democracy and the Republic.
The earliest known human-ape fossils are believed to be 7 million years old. They belong to a common ancestor, Sahelanthropus and show that the first human ancestors did not live in a savanna, but in a forested area. The paleontologists were surprised to find, in the mix of human and ape traits of Toumai, human traits more modern than expected for such an old creature. Paleontologists tell us that the early humans shared the habitat with other hominid , primates and forest creatures.
Once again, and I repeat......"This is all beyond any human control...so once again....good luck with your illusions of some connection of DNA/RNA or missing link theories and or chromosomes...because "THEY" (the ruling class, wall street and all who work on keeping you all sleep) will destroy themselves, and you, before they ever, ever, ever tell you the truth. So, each person must be their own seeker of truth! Don't try to put a guilt trip on me....You all are the ones who keep falling for their SHYT!!!" Now, with that said you are free to continue with your illusionary beliefs about life. You are also free to believe your soothsayers fairy tales regarding how you got here, why you are here and your pathetic need to continue to believe their sleepyhead theories. After all, what it all boils down to is the illusion the Pale skin nations of Europe have fed and continue to feed everyone in order to have the nations and all people believe they really have all the answers, now isn't it? Good Luck with that my man!! I never did!!
You didn't create it, but I am saying you should protest against it if you don't agree with it. These are things people can change while DNA/RNA from a common ancestor is something that people rarely think about.
I can protest? Are you serious? Who and what is being protested against? Slavery? Misinformation to the masses regarding their actual heritage? Race as a fake way of keeping people under control, ruling their lives, making them believe in false financial gods? The whore mongers doing what they please while people forget they are being manipulated? What in the hell are the masses protesting against now? This is nothing more than a repeat of what was done in the past on historic levels to all nations and people of with different nationalities! The story remains the same, only the players change. This is nothing new under the Sun, and personally my protesting goes way beyond OWS.....always has and always will. This country still has a very long way to go to get back to the truth and no amount of protesting is gonna change that fact! This country is and was created on falsehood, lies with the devastation of humanity.... This is all beyond any human control...so once again....good luck with your illusions of some connection of DNA/RNA or missing link theories and or chromosomes...because "THEY" (the ruling class, wall street and all who work on keeping you all sleep) will destroy themselves, and you, before they ever, ever, ever tell you the truth. So, each person must be their own seeker of truth! Don't try to put a guilt trip on me....You all are the ones who keep falling for their SHYT!!!
I never did!!
note worthy
Do you reckon he fell asleep with his finger on the question mark key?
I play me keyboard sideways so sometimes my underarm comes down on the enter key
I'll have to try out that technique someday. LOL.
Children, when you all want to have an Adult discussion....please...let me know.. Obviously what you are reading here is scaring the diapers off ya!!!
I am done here..... Re-read and get back to me......If you have the guts.
Irrational thoughts by people who consider themselves superior and in touch with a greater source of knowledge with no objective proof do indeed scare me.
Somewhat like racists and the oppressors.....ya think?
And fundamentalist religious followers.
Once again....labels.....what is religion but a man made objective to a goal that one might perhaps believe exists for his/her/their salvation.
Somewhat like GOD written on the dollar bill...Now, what does that mean...really? Is god money or is money god?
What are important for racists are perceptible differences. Even though we are 98.8% similar to chimp in terms of DNA, our lives differ tremendously from that of a chimp.
The differences in races are largely superficial. Adaptive differences that have occurred to humans over time, that differentiate us, are not an indication of superiority, but diversity.
Homogeneity in nature fails as a survival technique. Diverse animal populations give rise to far superior survival odds for the species.
And pray tell.....who told you that?
Talk about a limited education!!!!
You all's minds have not evolved beyond the Teddy Roosevelt era!!!
it's not like the military came home from ww1 and parked here in Rome
You're preaching to the choir.
Umberto Eco, Noam Chomsky, Jacques Derrida (dead),Michel Foucault (dead), Susan Faludi, Bertrand Russel (dead), Richard Feynman (dead), and MANY MANY others, hundreds, no, thousands...
Dude, half of those guys are dead. Come on man, gimme something. I do like listening to Chomsky. Havent checked out the others, but will do.
When no one has access to the data, they have two choices- go off of what an organization that lies on a daily/weekly basis says, or try to figure it out on their own.
I personally have more respect for those that try the second rather than just swallowing whatever the TV tells them.
Do some research. Google is your friend.
Your second option is not an option. You cannot figure something out if you don't have the data. It's as simple as that.
There's a third option you forget to mention, and that is to leave it blank, unanswered. You don't have to answer everything at all cost. It's OK to have gaps in knowledge. It's better to leave a question unanswered than to answer it inappropriately.
Who the fuck made you god when it comes to people forming their opinions? No offense, but you sound like a real pompous a-hole, and seem to be forgetting that you are on a chat site on the interenet.
And just what data, as an example-9/11- would people need to be able to figure out if, say, building #7 came down because of the other two, and the others around it were older and fine?
I'm only expression an opinion. You can agree or disagree. If you disagree you can provide arguments. There's no reason for name calling.
The detailed architectural plans of all buildings involved. An analysis of the debris field to see where stuff fell from each building (the Towers and building 7). Reports from witnesses of the state of things on the ground, for example, were there fires in building 7, where, when, etc... There's probably a whole bunch of other stuff I'm not thinking of. Only a professional investigator could tell you really. You should ask this question to a physicist, a fire expert, and an engineer. You would need all three to figure it out.
Concerning building #7, it fell because of debris falling from one of the towers. A huge whole was created in the middle of the building. There are witnesses. It's 100% clear.
Stop the presses. Building #7 fell about half-a-day after the Twin Towers. Quite a number of interested physicists, architects and engineers have reviewed WTC Buildings Collapsing on 9/11. Their observations raise questions that cast doubt on the official reports provided by the US government.
9 11 aftermath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZku5KQneL8&list=PL61A84EF774590006&feature=plpp_play_all [right click]
All that stuff has been done. If you were from NY, or knew anyone who lives in NYC, you would know this.
There has also been countless pilots who have said that to hijack a plane over western pennsylvania, and turn it around, and then with no computer help, steer BOTH of them all the way back to NYC and hit the target dead on first try is impossible.
I read both the conspiracy theorists and the debunking sites. It's clear the 911 Truther conspiracy theorists are using bad research methods and that they are full of it. They're lead by a bunch of guys that want to sell books and movies. That's all. Poor guys believe it all. Sad.
Just go here: http://www.debunking911.com/
Here's what really happened to WTC 7. You probably won't read it, but I post it in case you do want to get informed. Who knows, once in awhile conspiracy theorists get out of their Alex Jones sites. It's a long read, but it shows you how the conspiracy theorists operate to spread their lies. http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
Please, stop the 911 conspiracy theories and have respect for those who perished that day.
Do you at least agree that they lied and plotted the Gulf of Tonkin, which led to 60k deaths?
Destorying people's lives? Guess where you find the biggest amount of truthers- living in NYC!!
If you are going to Alex Jones, a total hack, or some commercial site, instead of going to NYC to do your research, then you are just as bad the rest of em.
If you don't have evidence, you shouldn't blame people for 911. If you do have evidence, you should bring the government to court. Why are you not doing on of those two options.
A) more than enough evidence that warranted an investigation, that was upended.
B) Already been tried and shot down.
Where the hell are you from?
Chicago, but I don't spend my days on conspiracy theory websites so I don't know all the details about your conspiracy theory.
Of course you dont, it doesnt interest you, which is fine.
I had more than a feeling that you know.... but lots of other people read our posts... its for them I write.
I don't know why you all are so adamant about some mythical evolutionary theory regarding our ancestry being that of a monkey, ape or chimpanzee. Is that better for you than to have to face the truth regarding our true origins? You would rather come from a monkey than to admit our origins from the Ancients who inhabited this earth who just happened to be of a darker skin hue than? How pathetic can a race of people be to believe they were once a monkey, or a bird, or a fish, or a donkey, or an elephant, when none of these creatures ever give birth to a human unless it is a freak experiment from the madness of most scientists. Now that is the other scientific principle here. Are you all freaks created from a scientific experiment? And we wonder why this world is totally insane?
Once again....who is WE...and what part does evolution play if you all came from Apes........why aren't people still born with tails?
If there are those who are....then who are they and where are they now and show me how you alls ancestors evolved!!!
You all will believe in that bull shyt, but you won't believe in the humane capacity of the races? Tell me....what is wrong with this picture?
We didn't come from apes. You need to reread Darwin. We come form a common ancestor.
The tail was lost after we started being bipeds as it no longer served its purpose. We still have a tail bone. And, we still carry all kinds of junk DNA for stuff our ancestors had life a tail, fangs, facial hair, claws, etc There's actually a sickness which awakens this sleeping junk DNA. Those who have it are born with a tail, or facial hair like an ape, or claws, etc...
Once again....who is we....You, your families, your ancestors? Why all of a sudden are we lumped in together as having a common ancestry, when for 2000 years all of the human races were divided by man's definition? I know where my people come from and I hope most of you will search out the same and stop relying on hearsay!
What I don't understand is..has God changed his mind?
We refers to humans.
God didn't change his mind, he never does. What happened is that science came along and helped us discover the truth.
BULL SHYT my man!
Science has always existed....it was man who came along and distorted SCIENCE!
You all are still trying to get to the Moon and can't even take care of MOTHER EARTH!!!
Why is that???
Humans are held back by idiots like you.
Then that proves.....you all are a pretty weak bunch of characters don't ya think? Now....how are you gonna solve that since I am only one person and the world is messed up by many??? The question is.....Who are those who messed it up anyway? Seems to me they come in all colors, shapes, sizes, religions, genders and gender benders....so do you think that will stop if you crucify me? I DOUBT THAT SERIOUSLY!!
Troll alret
FEAR alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Revulsion alert <<<<<<<
Truly I understand... Your founding fathers did lie to all of you...and now that you realize that you all weren't as sanctimonious or entitled as you thought your were..... well, I suppose I would have a sense of revulsion too!
I don't pity you though....Good night.....weep lightly!
And the evidence that MY founding fathers lied ti ME is what exactly and that I feel sanctimonious and entitled is what exactly?
I believe that my original Troll alert was accurate. What evidence do you have to the contrary? And, why are you sticking your nose into an interaction between HoozaRacist and me? Is being a Eurotroll (or whereever,) an entitlement?
First of all....why not look at what the "alleged" experts say and then draw your own conclusions. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html Next let us go back in time and see where race labels began and recall that "race" is a European concept. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O119-RaceConceptof.html "The word race was introduced to English from the French in the late 16th century." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/ Understand the reasons behind race labeling since no one knows for sure who the first man on earth was (if they do they ain't telling) or did to create such differences in the alleged "races" If there were first men, then who can prove what race, color, nationality or creed they were? If you can....then please do so. But let's understand what Benjamin Franklin said about the "alleged" races and why pale skin Europeans came to these shores and conquered other nations across the globe! http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/01/benjamin-franklin-and-white-and-red.html Now, with that being said......how many of you can truly say that your DNA is not a mixture of all "alleged" races. If there is no mixture then you are either: A) Asiatic.....whose biological make-up consists of melanin. B) Pale Skin Europeans (Europa).....whose biological make-up consists of no melanin whatsoever! In order to understand racial identity, one must first understand why it even exists since there is really no recorded history of race, even in the Bible other than the color of ones skin! So, to answer your question....I don't believe any race can renounce any other race, especially their own, because there has been too much AMALGAMATION and they have no clue who they are mixed with. Unless they trace their true ancestry! Have you done that???????
Ummm, NO (hope that answers your question).
Signed, White guy
There are a lot of people who are not racist because they understand the admixtures in their DNA and bloodline! Stop skirting the issues....Racists are individuals who lack knowledge of self, and use race as a reason to make themselves feel good about themselves. Read, read and then re-read.....open your minds!!!! The human race cannot be categorized...Race is a concept to help people try to understand the incomprehensible!!!
Actually, it's pretty easy to categorize humans by skin color, racists do it all the time.
NO .and this has to be the dumbest post yet
Saw this question in passing, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE the level of ignorance and hatred buried in it. No. A Racist is ANYONE who "thinks and acts" as if he/she is better than ,or more deserving and entitled of anything they want, than anyone else based on their national race, ethnic background, sexual orientation or worse yet religious tenets. Nazis are known to be racists because they themselves declared that only their race was pure and deserving to rule the world. Racists! Only a truly narcissistic racist would consider himself worthy and deserving to rule over another Human being simply because of his race, religion or physical strength. That's why most racists are the most likely to be rapists, they tend to think they can take whatever they want when they want. Live your own life, don't worry about, much less try to control, anybody else's life. You didn't create their lives, thus you have NO right to any portion of their life, UNLESS they grant you that access to their life. And try to come up with more thoughtful questions next time. This level of ignorance is either genuine, or the fabrication of an attention getting narcissist doing to get a reaction. Well, you have mine..and if your ignorance is genuine, then the sheer idiocy of it is truly breathtaking.
The role played by America is particularly important in generating and perpetuating the concept of "race." The human inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere largely derive from three very separate regions of the world—Northeast Asia, Northwest Europe, and Western Africa—and none of them has been in the New World long enough to have been shaped by their experiences in the manner of those long-term residents in the various separate regions of the Old World.
It was the American experience of those three separate population components facing one another on a daily basis under conditions of manifest and enforced inequality that created the concept in the first place and endowed it with the assumption that those perceived "races" had very different sets of capabilities. Those thoughts are very influential and have become enshrined in laws and regulations. This is why I can conclude that, while the word "race" has no coherent biological meaning, its continued grip on the public mind is in fact a manifestation of the power of the historical continuity of the American social structure, which is assumed by all to be essentially "correct."
C. Loring Brace
While the word race has no "coherent (?)" biological reason, identity definitely does. And it exists for a biological reason - the genes seek to promote themselves in perpetuity - "race" is at the very heart of our biology. The historical continuity of America dates thousands of years and it has come to dominate the world. Google any city, any location, and what we see there are American/ European styled homes, clothing, and way of life - all are in search of necessary resources, the very same resources the homo sap and those that who predated him have sought to acquire for millions of years. I think your overall view is tainted by anti-caucasion bias, a definite lie, and rather shallow indeed.
This is the manifestation of the power of historical continuity of the American social structure. To prove that you would have step out of the present and go back to pre-colonial times, let's say 15th century and earlier. Tell me what you can of the concept of race or the world in general before 1500.
The concept of race definitely existed in the 16th century and for thousands of year prior, that's my point. You could say that slavery was color blind, even unto our early American history, and that would be true. You could say that our vision of American history has been tainted by the enhanced focus of African slavery and that would also be true. You could say that prejudice was amplified in an effort to further enslave - also true - but you can't do so without stating the reasons which are the following: a) the Spanish crown preferred NOT to enslave the indigenous population, b) many Africans due to their own cultural history tended to be more submissive, accepting, and compliant, c) many were impervious to malaria, and d) they were far more experienced with such things as animal husbandry, agriculture, and seamanship; in short, they were much better workers. But even here, there were specific tribes that were preferred over others as more experienced, stronger, less warlike, etc. And opinions on this varied. But race itself is a product of subconscious IFF - identification friend or foe - and visual difference is the first means of evaluation.
Shakespeare wrote the play Othello in the early 1600s, but contact between races was limited by distance for most populations. In the 16th century religion was more a source of conflict throughout Europe.
The Fall of Constantinople in 1453 began the mass invasion of Muslim Ottoman Turks into Christian Eastern Europe that continued for two centuries. Superimposed upon the war between Islam and Christendom in Eastern Europe, and the expulsion of Jews and Moors from Western Europe was the Protestant Reformation pitting Lutherans against Catholics, and then Catholics against all Protestants in Central Europe and England.
What? The Muslims were on the Iberian Peninsula as early as 700; they ruled for over 400 years, and the very first thing they did was sell the Jews into slavery; only those few Christians with political affiliations survived this slavery. No contact between races? You've also excluded the Portuguese who sailed down the coast of Africa in 1453... actually there is so much history of racial interaction that it would require several hundred pages. So I'm really not sure where you're going with this or what message you intended.
The contact between members of caravans or sailors on ships in 15th, 16th centuries along trade routes is incomparable to mass migration of migrant-guest workers in the 20th century.
Religion used to be much more important before the 16th century. I think the Muslim's invasion and ensuing conflict on the Iberian Peninsula in the 8th century and following 4 centuries was motivated by religion not race.
In the spring of 1492, shortly after the Moors were driven out of Granada, Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain expelled all the Jews from their lands and thus, by a stroke of the pen, put an end to the largest and most distinguished Jewish settlement in Europe. The expulsion of this intelligent, cultured, and industrious class was prompted only in part by the greed of the king and the intensified nationalism of the people who had just brought the crusade against the Muslim Moors to a glorious close. The real motive was the religious zeal of the Church, the Queen, and the masses. The official reason given for driving out the Jews was that they encouraged the Marranos to persist in their Jewishness and thus would not allow them to become good Christians.
Part of the exiled Spaniards went over sea to Turkey. Some of them were thrown into the sea and drowned, but those who arrived, there the King of Turkey received kindly, as they were artisans. He lent them money and settled many of them on an island, and gave them fields and estates. [The Turks needed smiths and makers of munitions for the war against Christian Europe.]
Expulsion from Spain1492 CE
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1492-jews-spain1.asp [right click]
Making war on Islam seemed to the Portuguese both their natural destiny and their duty as Christians. One important reason was the need to overcome the expensive eastern trade routes, dominated first by the republics of Venice and Genoa in the Mediterranean, and then controlled by the Ottoman Empire after the conquest of Constantinople in 1453, barring European access, and going through North Africa and the historically important combined-land-sea routes via the Red Sea. Both spice and silk were big businesses of the day, and arguably, spices which were used as medicine drugs and preservatives was something of a necessity—at least to those Europeans of better than modest means. Portugal discovered an eastern route to India that rounded the Cape of Good Hope, discovered Brazil, established trading routes throughout most of southern Asia, colonized selected areas of Africa, and sent the first direct European maritime trade and diplomatic missions to China and Japan.
Portuguese Exploration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Portugal_(1415%E2%80%931578)#Reasons_for_exploration [right click]
Ok, so you did a little history, what's your point? And you skipped the Iberian Peninsula of the 8th century; why?
Spiritual conceptions as the product of desire are evolutionary; religion is but a tool of evolution, and in the quest of security the goal is one of mass mind.
Actually its been important throughout our entire hundreds of thousands of years history. It is one of two central political forms that comprise the seat of power amongst our communal and hierarchical selves. And the reason it now occupies some lesser place more diminutive in the cultural mind is that there is lesser evolutionary need in current Western society; this could change at any moment and no doubt will change in the future.
There have never, ever, been any "worker migrations" unless you are speaking of, for example, the invitation we extended to the Mexicans during the 1940s with a promise of work in Oregon or perhaps that extended to the Okies. The movement of people en masse has historically been one of northeast to southwest but this is not entirely true - reference the eastward expansion of the Germanic tribes, for example, into the Baltics or the Anglo-Normans into Britain, or their expansion bolstered by the English into Wales, Ireland, Scotland, etc. This prevailing southwesterly direction though occurred for one reason only: availability of resources.
And in reference to these migrations "mass" becomes a relative term: the number of Mexicans and South Americans into the US are disturbing but weighed against total north to south population I don't believe we can describe this as the largest mass migration in history; the numbers are relative. And its not a "worker" migration - there is no promise or guarantee of work; they are merely roaming the Americas "in search of" as both a survival and quality of life issue, much as the poor of the 17th century roamed the British Isles; it is not a forever thing - the resources don't exist to sustain this indefinitely.
The point is Islam is fundamentally different in its use of aggression. The Muslim plots to blow-up London are in the headlines.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2169193/London-2012-Olympics-Former-Blunkett-bobby-held-terror-swoops.html
Religion is the motive.
"A white Muslim convert who once worked as a BBC security guard was arrested yesterday over an alleged plot to carry out a major terrorist attack, possibly during the Olympics
Richard Dart, 29, was among six people detained over an alleged plan to cause an atrocity in the UK.
Also among those arrested was a former police community support officer, who was arrested at a home just half a mile from the Olympic Stadium.
In April last year Dart, using the name Salahuddin Al Britani, appeared in an internet video uploaded by a Muslim group vowing to disrupt the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2169193/London-2012-Olympics-Former-Blunkett-bobby-held-terror-swoops.html#ixzz1zrfRQ1Ms
On the other side of the Atlantic a conclusion that race may mean less than religion could be reached. Religion might be a force to unite races by withstanding political pressures. What is the force that can unite Americans? It is not the economy. It's not Capitalism. It is not Fascism. It is not the politics. Can it be science and technology? What's left?
There is no doubt that the Muslim who sacrifices his or her life truly believes that he does so in defense of Allah... but while religion in its purist state, as a defined emotionally fulfilling spiritualism, serves cohesive bond... organized religion is but the rules of society. The goal is one of mass mind as the extension of one's own safe boundaries in the quest for resources; religion is therefore a tool of evolution, but there is more... our gods were born of some archaic pre-human form; they are genetic and we will never be so intellectual so as to deny our own biology.
Leave uninformed children on an island and there is little doubt that they will develop some form of religion within but a few generations. This has been proven repeatedly throughout mankind's history.
Islam is no more capable of uniting the races than Christianity; in fact of the three religions of the world capable of achieving mass mind, only one is truly pluralistic and that is Christianity.
Islam has gained some minor footholds in the African American community for one reason and one reason only - they believe they share a common enemy and it is us.
On 9/11/ 2001 our Christian God gained millions of followers. And religion incited to the common defense of the masses is the only means of uniting a diverse population of so many varied and conflicting interests.
To simply say "I am a good person and that is enough" does not equate on the subconscious level to an emotional "fulfillment" - choose a god, and god... and always "keep the faith."
Whether you believe (or believe you believe; - there are no true atheists anywhere in the world, just those in denial) or not is irrelevant - the unity you seek is not possible without the One God; it is the only force within the entire realm of the human psyche capable of achieving your rather Utopian goal. And Utopia itself has a place in the human psyche.
The earth is the one true GOD!
The druids understood this. The three Abraham religions are abominations to the One, True, God, the EARTH.
Not entirely true but you would be amazed at how much of Druidism is present in American society... this goes even to our concepts and manner of justice, as courts of Wise Men sit in judgement. Druidism is everywhere as incorporated. And in fact, it led to the first separation of church and state as Henry the 8th, who had retained his ancestral ties to Anglesey, the seat of the Druid scholars, chose to deny Roman Catholic belief in favor of ancestral belief that permitted divorce without mortal sin.
thank you for an intelligent response.
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Simply No.
Oh my Goodness!!!! What the hell?
[-] 5 points by geo (1321) from Concord, NC 11 hours ago
"Contrary to what you just posted, there are no races. All living humans belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens. You see races where science sees none." Are you serious?
My reply to you is this.....No science can state that my forefathers were Homo sapiens. those books were written by Europeans, for Europeans, and digested by Europeans. Not Asiatics!! There is a difference and mankind degraded it with Racism!
Homo sapiens Look up Homo sapiens at Dictionary.com
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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (8687) 11 hours ago
My reply to you and all is thus.... I will post this and post this for the very last time. Until you homo's get it through your thick skull that there has always been nations of people that can never, ever, ever be considered part of the Pale Skin Nations of Europe lineage or maintain any thoughts of being like the pales...you are living in a bubble! I accept this...why can't you? If you believe in god, what makes you think He singled you all out for some divine purpose???. This...my friends is the cause of your racism due to the fact that the forefathers led you to believe you were something special.. You are not! Your time here has been fun has it not? No one really cares about your world of make believe because it is coming to a head. Now take your anger out on me all you want but understand this... Your forefathers wrote the books you quote from...Your forefathers created this society for you, by you and with you. Your forefathers had your best interest at heart to shield you from the realities that you now have to face, while you ignored the nations who had to face those realities for centuries... So...on that note.......find your own Truths......stop trusting in something that was created AD while the nations of Europe were plundering and attacking due to their migrations from the Caucus mountains and look for your answers BC of the people who fought for survival and did just as many horrible things to the pales as well. Your thinking is unbalanced and so is your history.
Otherwise you all will remain in a time warp of racist ideologies.... And frankly my dears....I really don't give a damn. Call me a racist if it makes you feel better, but understand....I don't have your best interest at heart.....Never did and never will....I care about the nations of the earth......DO YOU?
Pray tell....who really posted this??? ^
you are an idiot
Anyone, of any race, that is denouncing or supporting something solely on the basis of race could easily be considered a racist. We have to try to support an issue based on the facts of that issue, not who the supporters or detractors are. Everyone has some tendency to prejudge, we have to work against that and stick to what we can prove and side with the truth.
Your idea that one should renounce a race to support another is a racist concept in itself. You can support all races without renouncing your own. You shouldn't even have to think about it that way. You should just support your fellow human beings.
You need to educate yourself, your question is really stupid.
On point!!!
Hey! You're the ex-Elite Illuminati that was about to give super secrets to Renneye!
Nope....let's set this record straight.because....... when people are confronted with the truth they tend to bring up subjects that have no bearing on such truths (like me being a troll) and run away from reality... It's human nature, particularly when you have been brainwashed by falsehood and are afraid! The Illuminati hold no more secrets than the Bible does..and if you read you will see the correlations of Truths that exists within what is fact, fiction and make believe....Now it is up to you all to take responsibility for your beliefs.....search out your truths and stop passing the buck! As I state in all my posts....There are no more secrets my man.....only those truths that most of you refuse to acknowledge Trashy likes to impersonate....which is what was done. My posts always twinkle...see for yourself! My tone, my truths, my information...always the same as well. I don't give a flying fig about the Illuminati, the Masons, the Daughters of the American Revolution, Skin heads, KKK, Black Panthers, Nazi Parties, Democrats, Republicans, Whites, Blacks, Latino, Hispanics, Europeans....etc, etc.
It is a matter of racial identity, and misinformation regarding all of Humanity that has corrupted everyone's knowledge of Truths!!! In addition, my apology to Renneye was accepted as well... So what other excuses will you all use to dodge the TRUTHS I post and tell me....do you know what is in your DNA in order to classify your own racial identity?
Your apology for what? She believed you were a high operative for the Illuminati. Twas hilarious. I couldn't let that pass by.
Trashy, your obsession knows no bounds. Not once on that thread did she mention the Illuminati. For the record, Neuwurldodr hinted at having knowledge the "bewildered herd" (Walter Lippman's term for just us reg'lar folk. His or Laswell's, I don't remember right off) does not. She alluded to him (or her) possibly being a member of an elite family or society. For the record, Illuminati and elite are not the same damn thing. Also for the record, I don't believe twisting the facts is part of the "scientific method."
Do you believe in the mind controlled Svali and the NWO? Renneye does.
Didn't read the Svali thread. I reject the term "NWO" but I do believe some of (not all, of course) the richest, most powerful people on the planet do everything they can to control and exploit the masses. I believe it's human nature. History seems to suggest some truth to it, that's how most if not all religions were formed. All cults. It's also obscenely profitable. And addictive. Power does indeed corrupt. That's what it's about, not bullshit, corrupted terms like NWO and Illuminati. About a small group of people exploiting and controlling the masses. It doesn't matter to me whether they work separately or in collusion. I think, when we speak of these people, you have the wrong ideas. Picture Bill Gates buying half a million shares of Monsanto stock, not some black-hooded occultist dripping lamb's blood over an altar. If you don't understand the analogy it hints at the depth of your misunderstanding, my friend.
Do I believe in reptilian shape-shifting aliens? Not on this planet. ;-) So, don't ever allude to me being of the "Ick ilk," or you'll just lose more credibility since I've stated numerous times that I believe the concept is ridiculous.
It matters very much. It actually makes a world of difference. People like Renneye believe that the richest people in the world are part of a secret society who's goal it is to control of all humanity. This idea comes from the 100 year old Russian propaganda text called the Elders of Zion which proposes the idea that the Jews are plotting to take over the world. It is an anti-semite work, and that is what the NWO, the Illuminati, and Renneye's ideas are based on whether she knows it or not. In one of her postings that the moderators quickly deleted (and also deleted her Reneye account, she became Renneye afterwards), she went as far as to say that this secret society was the one who started OWS and the one who was controlling it from behind the scenes. In another posting she accused this secrete society of rich people has being part of a well organized worldwide prostitution ring, an idea that comes from Alex Jones and David Icke.
The problem is not that these claims are absolutely ridiculous and presented without any proof at all, but that they create false problems which only confuse us.
Is there corruption. Of course. Do some rich people work together to get richer. Of course. But it's not because they work together to dominate the world, it's because of our capitalist system and broken laws which permits this. There is corruption in every society. And, it's not only the rich people. It starts from the bottom and makes it all the way to the top. These rich people who do corruption are not really the problem. The problem is the stage. Even if you removed these corruptors, they would be quickly replaced by new ones. The only thing to stop it is to change the system, to create new laws. We can see this throughout the world. Countries with strict laws against corruption are less corrupted than other countries.
If you go back and read Renneye's posting where she thinks Neuwurldodr is part of the Elite "family" you'll have a hearty laugh. How one can read this without laughing is beyond me. It's the funniest comment on this whole forum.
Svali was also pretty funny. The idea is that she is a girl (unknown) who was born in the Elite "family" (Illuminati or NWO) and was mind programmed from a young age, but managed to escape. And now, here she is to tell her story.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/svali-elite-mind-control-programmer-rare-interview/
This one is also gold. Here, Renneye points to a site which she considers a great news resource. In one of the links to the site, we can read a piece which talks about an unnamed person Mr. X being forced by the CIA (A tool of the Elite) to participate in satanic rituals involving the eating of other humans.
Here's the post where she suggests a website: http://occupywallst.org/forum/amazing-alternate-news-website-httpgonobwordpressc/
Here's an excerpt of what she links with the bottom link of her post:
Quite telling. If that's the type of news we should be reading, well, what can I say. We must all be crazy!
Here's her post about the NWO (New World Order): http://occupywallst.org/forum/nwo-eloquently-explained-by-backtoconstitution/
There are many more.
Listen, she can post this garbage, and I can laugh at it. That's free speech.
May I ask, why does it bother you that I express my free speech?
You may say "Solidarity for Svali" and I may laugh at you. That's life.
I like Renneye. Her heart's in the right place regardless. You just seem to have become obsessed with it. It's like I said the other night, the absolute low number of so-called conspiracy threads puts them on the very low end of the spectrum. Hardly the topic that's "ruining this forum (that distinction, not surprisingly, goes to '"politics")." Also, there aren't too many people commenting in those threads anyway. My only problem is I dislike bullies.
I'm aware of the story of the Elders of Zion book. I don't believe she gets her info from there, I would think she's done enough research to know when and why that bit of propaganda was created. The things she speaks of predate that anyway. Some of her posts are way off (the one about the NWO being behind OWS, for one), but some are true or close to true. Before you dismiss ideas like a worldwide prostitution ring, Google "Franklin Savings and Loan Scandal" then tell me that there aren't some sick fucks in the upper echelons of society. I might not get as outrageous as Renneye, but I do seriously believe that there are a lot of twisted individuals running (and ruining) things. They need to be stopped.
It's kind of funny you posted her links so quickly. I just made a comment not one hour ago suggesting you had them all bookmarked.
A lot of them were deleted by the moderators before you got a chance to see them. Many of those deletions were because of me, and that's why they are so angry at me.
I don't have them all bookmarked. What would be the point of that? There's a forum search feature that brings up all the posts of a certain user. It takes 3 seconds to list someone's posts.
Hey, if you want to serve and protect the conspiracy theorists here, that's fine by me. It's your right of free speech. I attack them because I think they are dangerous to logical thought. That's my right to free speech.
I'll bet it was still a pretty low number, deleted or not. I've been here since almost the beginning also, and until recently (and a couple brief hiatuses) read just about every thread posted. Politics overwhelmingly rules, more so recently. That's where the real problem is, if there is one. And, I'm not blindly attacking you in defense of her. I believe most, if not all, of my comments on the subject consist of pointing out your fact-twisting or apparent obsession.
True about the search feature, I forgot about that when I commented. Now I feel like an internet newby. I hate that feeling. ;-)
If you think conspiracy theorists are questioning anything, then you've been fooled by them. If you want to uncover the truth, listen to serious investigative journalists, not people like Alex Jones or Jerry Springer. Not only do they not help in uncovering the truth, they make it worse. They just add lies to the mix.
I don't follow Alex Jones and I liken Jerry Springer to cancer. My television watching is restricted to History Channel/Discovery Channel-type shows or movies (for mindless entertainment). I've never watched a minute of "reality" TV, nor American Idol or any of those other shows you non-Americans think all of us slavishly follow. Don't insult me. That's part of your problem, you stereotype. For someone who is obviously intelligent, you sure seem a bit close-minded.
You are the one likening conspiracy theorists to questioners or seekers of truth, not me. The simple truth is that they question nothing. They only create nonsense.
Being into conspiracy theories is not a sign of being open-minded, it's a sign of being gullible. If you think I'm close minded because I don't believe in the Illuminati and I demand evidence when ludicrous claims are presented on this forum, that is your problem not mine.
You can't use the scientific method when all of your "facts" are nothing but information from press releases by a corrupted organization.
Please list some critical thinkers that you know.
You have to be in a position where you can reach the evidence if you want to know the truth. Like a journalist or a police officer. Of course, if you're a pimpled face teenager operating from your mother's basement and have no access to privileged evidence or witnesses to interview then, yeah, you're obliged to base everything on secondary information, all of which is biased. That's one of the reasons the 911 Truthers haven't figured out anything. Not only do they not use the scientific method, they don't even have access to the data.
Umberto Eco, Noam Chomsky, Jacques Derrida (dead),Michel Foucault (dead), Susan Faludi, Bertrand Russel (dead), Richard Feynman (dead), and MANY MANY others, hundreds, no, thousands... Do some research.
You are entitled to your opinion, and you can point to what you believe is my fact twisting. That's OK. I believe conspiracy theories are a major problem in America today and have to be dealt with swiftly.
You use a logical fallacy in the post above: Two wrongs don't make a right. It doesn't matter if political postings are a problem (and yes they are), it's not a reason not to deal with the problem of conspiracy theory postings. We'll never build a new better world if we keep these nutjobs in the discussion. It's their responsibility to do proper research, if they don't take that responsibility and post nonsense, then I'm going to point it out.
There's already someone else dealing with the political problem. The mystery number man. The political posters call him IronButt. As usual, those who protect OWS are called trolls. Unfortunately, this website has been controlled by political co-opters and conspiracy theorists due to a lack of moderation. You certainly don't help by being a conspiracy theory enabler. And, if you don't think Renneye is nuts, then what can I say but spend some time reading her drivel.
Let me ask you this: what is your criteria for determining whether something is a CT? I haven't been here in about a week, but last week, I believe, there were probably a half dozen threads about the Bildeberg meeting, but you were noticeably absent from them all. Aren't these meetings part of this "elite conspiracy?" And don't you think it's a bit childish to repost months-old threads of hers for the express purpose of pasting in that "another post from our resident nutcase" comment instead of just letting those posts die? How does that help the forum?
It's just his pet peeve. We all have them. Mine is neo-libs. Your's is something else. Some people have made, rather oddly I think, Thras their pet peeve.
The problem is Renneye is still here after being banned numerous times for posting conspiracy theories and she is still doing it now. The difference between a conspiracy theory and investigative journalism is the method of investigation. Conspiracy theorists work backwards, i.e. they have an hypothesis based on the idea that some evil force is conspiring to do some big evil thing, and they work real hard to find anything that corroborates their idea. In the process, they avoid any evidence that shows they are wrong.
A typical example would be 911 Truthers who claim some of the hijackers are still alive because they have been seen in London. They know the truth is the London paper published an article a few days after 911 claiming some of the hijackers were in London, but that afterwards they retracted this because what really happened is that some people in London had the same name as the hijackers, but they weren't they hijackers. Their names were common muslim names, the equivalent of John Smith in English. They keep their story alive by "forgetting" to mention the retraction. That's just one example of the way they operate.
Another one is that they avoid giving any details, or any evidence. For example, Renneye great site she points as being an "amazing alternative site for news" operates in this manner. In the story of Mr. X who is forced to have gay sex and cannibalize another human, no information is given about his name, or any other detail which would permit us to verify the story. Without proof, that claim is useless. Notice how gay sex is made to be seen as horrible since it is paired with cannibalism. These conspiracy theorists are right wing conservatives with an agenda.
But yeah, like I said, if you want to be a conspiracy theorist enabler that's your choice.
I can't read and interact with every thread and that's probably why I missed the Bildeberg meeting conspiracy theory. If you want to help OWS, please go in and deface their postings. You can use ASCII graphics for this.
The 90 year old smoker was a terrible analogy. Anyway, this conversation has reached its inevitable conclusion. It's 2:00 A.M. anyway. Until next time, . . . .
They are seekers of truth, most just suck at it. Consider the intelligence level of the average American, not to mention their critical thinking skills (read: LACK of). It's no wonder most of their ideas are whacko. But like I said, it doesn't automatically invalidate the theory.
like more is spent by the government running the primaries than on campaign contributions
doesn't mean campaign contributions don't have an effect
You're not a seeker of truth just because you pretend to be. Saying conspiracy theorists are seekers of truth is the equivalent of saying that a 90 year old 3 pack of cigarettes a day smoker is an athlete because he took a 5 minute walk outside.
Their theories don't have to be invalidated since they never are validated in the first place. They provide no evidence for their claims even though they have the burden of proof. They are parasites. Viruses that bother true intellectual thought processes. If they cared about the truth, they would refrain from participating in discussions and listen to reason instead.
I can't believe you didn't find Renneye's comment where she believes Neuwurldodr to be a member of the Elite "family" and ready to give us a super secret super duper funny. That comment was hilarious, and also sad as it demonstrated just how sick Renneye really is.
Replying to below, your idea that CT's all start from the end and then work backwards isn't true. That makes it sound like the person automatically rejects the "official version" out of hand and then sets about finding "evidence" to fit. That's complete B.S. It usually starts by someone noticing what appears to be a discrepancy somewhere, something that doesn't look or sound right. It goes from there. Often, it isn't in the theory, man, it's in sifting through the enormous amount of crap that builds up around the controversy to find the rare bits of truth, if any. Your example using the hijackers being "seen" in London is a perfect one. Just because there are idiots like these doesn't mean the entire quest for the truth behind 9-11 is therefore invalidated. You cherry-pick the worst examples to discredit the whole concept. The same holds true for the websites; some are complete hogwash, some (again, depending on the CT) have things that at least make you question things. If you are unwilling to do the legwork necessary to sift through the crap, it's your problem. The fact that you lump them all together, and call all the curious "nutcases," suggests you are indeed close-minded.
And haven't you been banned numerous times as well? And your still here. Which is a good thing, actually. I find the mild discourse entertaining, sometimes.
The way I look at it is this. This forum never was the tool originally conceived by jart, never was in the beginning, never became it as she had hoped. You know this better than anyone. Read jart's thread "Watch me test this thing" for a refresher. So, why not let everyone here socialize, stay connected, and throw ideas around, regardless of how outrageous? Who knows? Something good may come of it after all. Besides, as far as this forum is concerned, what else does it have left?
Also, you'll never get rid of conspiracy theorists, so why bother? It's a waste of energy. And, in regards to the Bilderberg threads, I would never deface another person's thread.
911 Truthers have been thoroughly debunked left, right, and center. They have no evidence for any of their claims. The truth is that islamist terrorists destroyed the towers. It's that simple. They had the motive, and they admitted to it. All the proof points towards them. There was no conspiracy.
Not only do I let that happen, I participate by throwing ideas around myself. The only people here who ever stopped others from sharing their opinions are the moderators who shadow ban users and their postings. I never banned Renneye, the moderators did. I only propose the idea that she is a nuisance to OWS. I'm throwing that idea around.
I know this forum is not what jart intended. I'm pretty sure that's why they don't bother with good moderation. They're just letting it die at this point, and will probably kill it when it comes time to renew the domain name or the server fees.
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I think when discussing things that are centered around an organization that has been proven to lie over and over and over, it helps to have people who question the truth of their press releases.
The fact that anyone who doesnt believe what they say is "labeled" a "conspiracy theorist" shows the lengths they go to marginalize anyone who doenst trust them.
Just a thought.
No, I label conspiracy theorists idiots like Renneye who link to trash material like I mentioned above. I have no problem with those who question properly, using the scientific method and doing investigative journalism. There's big difference between a scientist studying sharks, and a conspiracy theorist studying BigFoot.
What if the person who told you they didnt exist had been lying to you on a weekly basis for your entire lifetime?
Do you consider people, including military, questioning the entire OBL death thing, a conspiracy theory?
no, just common sense
I think it's important in this day and age to question anything that passes for the "official version" of any major world event.
Questioning is fine and important when done properly. I don't consider those who talk of NWO, the Illuminati, FEMA camps, 911 Truthers, Mind controlled Svali's, etc... as being people who question what's going on. I believe they do what they do to sell books, because they've been convinced by those who sell books, or because they want to confuse the real issues that matter.
What we need is serious investigations that use the scientific method, not pimpled face teenagers operating from the basement of their mother's house who think they have found the deepest military secrets after perusing a conspiracy theory website.
The problem with you Americans is that you give the podium to people like Alex Jones or Jerry Springer instead of letting the intellectuals talk.
Harvey Dent for President
I'll vote for him if he rides a Harvey full of dents.
@ll : Observe the diversionary and divisive ; mendacious and malignant behaviour of an insidious agent provocateur, pathological contrarian &/or a Paid Dis-Info Troll !!! On behalf of The 99% - I'm 99.99% sure that I'm at least 90% right !! TrashyScumBot = (x) , qed !
ad iudicium ...
Oh yeah! I'm a paid agent provocateur working for the Illuminati, the ones who mind control Renneye's poor Svali.
ad stupidum
"I'm a paid agent provocateur.." ! -- Ipse Dixit & finally 'Trashy' -- you've understood "gnothi seauton / temet nosce / nosce te ipsum" !! The first is the key advice and prophesy of the seers of the ancient Greek Oracle at Delphi and the others are the same in Latin, cf. the film -"The Matrix", so "follow the white rabbit" and "unplug", man !!!
verum ex absurdo ...
Now, when did you become my father?
Are you still skirting the subject. Hey, do me a favor....keep following my posts... YOU JUST MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING!!!
I read a few of your posts and I realize you're just a 21 year old with a poor education.
Many if not most of your comments on this thread are sound but you just can't help yourself, innit ?!!!
"Temet Nosce" - above the door to The Oracle's kitchen, right ?!!
Are you actually happy in your heart to be so abrasive ?!
vale ...
I don't see a reason why we should soften the truth. Doing so simply turns truth into lie.
And, really, am I that abrasive? I don't go around the forum calling people pieces of shit like you do. I don't go around the forum threatening others with physical harm like you do.
Yawn. I'm tired. Hush ... or I'll have to do all that stuff. Now try to be good. vale ...
My, my...are we crying in our beer now?
You all are so funny!
I don't believe there is an insult in the world that can topple my exuberance at knowing that you all continue to run hither and yon wondering why you don't get it!!!
Part II
Let us look at true history, not made up Texas bull shyt!!!
Re: Were The Moors Black Or Arab? by Horus(m): 2:42pm On Jan 08 The Moors
By RUNOKO RASHIDI
It would not be inaccurate to say that the Moors helped reintroduce Europe to civilization. But just who were the Moors of antiquity anyway? As early as the Middle Ages, and as early as the seventeenth century, "The Moors were," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "commonly supposed to be mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for negro." Dr. Chancellor Williams stated that "The original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were Black Africans." At the beginning of the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa into Spain, Portugal, and France, where their swift victories became the substance of legends. To the Christians of early Europe there was no question regarding the ethnicity of the Moors, and numerous sources support the view that the Moors were a black-skinned people. Morien, for example, is the adventure of a heroic Moorish knight supposed to have lived during the days of King Arthur. Morien is described as "all black: his head, his body, and his hands were all black." In the French epic known as the Song of Roland the Moors are described as "blacker than ink." William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. Christopher Marlowe used African and Moor interchangeably. Arab writers further buttress the Black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as "a brown man with wooly hair."
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Black soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited by Rome, and served in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. St. Maurice, patron saint of medieval Europe, was only one of many Black soldiers and officers under the employ of the Roman Empire. After the invasion of 711 came other waves of Moors even darker. It was this occupation of Portugal which accounts for the fact that even noble families had absorbed the blood of the Moor. From that time onwards, racial mixing in Portugal, as in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe which came under the influence of Moors, took place on a large scale. That is why historians claim "Portugal is in reality a Negroid land," and that when Napoleon explained that "Africa begins at the Pyrenees," he meant every word that he uttered. Even the world-famed shrine in Portugal, Fatima, where Catholic pilgrims from all over the world go in search of miracle cures for their afflictions, owes its origin to the Moors. The story goes that a Portuguese nobleman was so saddened by the death of his wife, a young Moorish beauty whom he had married after her conversion to the Christian faith, that he gave up his title and fortune and entered a monastery. His wife was buried on a high plateau called Sierra de Aire. It is from there the name of Fatima is derived. The Moors ruled and occupied Lisbon and the rest of the country until well into the twelfth century. they were finally defeated and driven out by the forces of King Alfonso Henriques, who was aided by English and Flemish crusaders. The scene of this battle was the Castelo de Sao Jorge or, in English, the Castle of St. George. Today it still stands overlooking the city of "Lashbuna"--as the Moors named Lisbon.
SOURCES: Golden Age Of The Moor, Edited by Ivan Van Sertima Natures Knows No Color-Line, by J. A. Rogers
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Re: Were The Moors Black Or Arab? by Obalufon: 7:27pm On Apr 28 They are product of mixed race. is a taboo to mix your blood, Africa is now divided because of it . http://www.nairaland.com/825007/moors-black-arab/1
Now, with this being said....I doubt seriously this post will last for long on here! You know why? Because.....most of you.....'CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!'
Does anyone have a special ability to channel knowledge from the Ancients bypassing paleontology and archaeology?
Wikipedia:
Of the tribal societies still in existence today, some lead lives of great violence, frequently raiding neighboring groups and seizing territory, women, and goods from others by force. Other groups, such as the Bushmen of the Kalahari, live in societies with no warfare and very little murder.
What is common among those groups that remain and fight frequently is that warfare is highly ritualized, with a number of taboos and practices in place that limit the number of casualties and the duration of a conflict, a situation known as endemic warfare. Among tribal societies engaging in endemic warfare, conflict may escalate to actual warfare every generation or so, for various reasons such as population pressure or conflict over resources, but also for no readily understandable reason.
It is hypothesized that in the earliest hunter-gatherer societies of Homo erectus, population density was probably low enough to avoid armed conflict. The development of the throwing-spear, together with ambush hunting techniques, made potential violence between groups very costly, dictating conflict avoidence, groups moving apart as far as possible to alleviate resource competition. This behaviour would have facilitated the migration out of Africa of H. erectus some 1.8 million years ago as a natural consequence of conflict avoidance. This period of "Paleolithic warlessness" would then have persisted until well after the appearance of Homo sapiens some 0.2 million years ago, and probably ended only with a shift in societal organization in the Upper Paleolithic. At this stage, the mobilization of all male group members in a raiding party (as opposed to a hunting party) for the purpose of dawn raids on another group's sleeping quarters shifts the tactical advantage from defenders to attackers, capitalizing on the advantages of surprise and numerical superiority. Of the many cave paintings from the Upper Paleolithic, none depict people attacking other people.
There is no known archaeological evidence of large scale fighting until well into the Aurignacian. The Aurignacian culture is an archaeological culture of the Upper Palaeolithic, located in Europe and southwest Asia. It lasted broadly within the period from ca. 45,000 to 35,000 years ago (about 37,000 to 27,000 years ago on the uncalibrated radiocarbon timescale; between ca. 47,000 and 41,000 years ago in terms of the most recent calibration of the radiocarbon timescale). The name originates from the type site of Aurignac in the Haute-Garonne area of France. The oldest known example of figurative art, the Venus of Hohle Fels, comes from this culture. It was discovered in September 2008 in a cave at Schelklingen in Baden-Württemberg in southern Germany. The Aurignacian tool industry is characterized by worked bone or antler points with grooves cut in the bottom. Their flint tools include fine blades and bladelets struck from prepared cores rather than using crude flakes. The people of this culture also produced some of the earliest known cave art, such as the animal engravings at Aldène and the paintings at Chauvet cave in southern France. They also made pendants, bracelets and ivory beads, and three-dimensional figurines. This sophistication and self-awareness led archaeologists to consider the makers of Aurignacian artifacts the first modern humans in Europe. Human remains and Late Aurignacian artifacts found in juxtaposition support this inference. The most critical single discovery is that of the so called Egbert skeleton from Ksar Akil, embedded in deposits overlain by Levantine Aurignacian industries. This is a fully modern human in both cranial and postcranial terms, between 40,000 and 45,000 years old. Although finds of human skeletal remains in direct association with Early Aurignacian technologies are scarce in Europe, the few available are also probably modern human. The best dated association between Aurignacian industries and human remains are those of at least five individuals from the Mladec cave in the Czech Republic, dated by direct radiocarbon measurements on the skeletal remains themselves to at least 31,000–32,000 years old. At least three robust but typically anatomically modern individuals from the Pestera cu Oase cave in Romania, were dated directly on the bones to ca. 35,000–36,000 BP (before present). Although not associated directly with archeological material, these finds are within the chronological and geographical range of the earlier Aurignacian in southeastern Europe.
The first archaeological record of what could be a prehistoric battle is at a Mesolithic site known as Cemetery 117. It was determined to be about 14,340 to 13,140 years old and located on the Nile near the Egypt-Sudan border. It contains a large number of bodies, many with arrowheads embedded in their skeletons, which indicates that they may have been the casualties of a battle. Some question this conclusion by arguing that the bodies may have accumulated over many decades, and may even be evidence of the murder of trespassers rather than actual battles. Nearly half of the bodies are female, and this fact also causes some to question the argument for large-scale warfare. Beginning around 12,000 BC, combat was transformed by the development of bows, maces, and slings. The bow seems to have been the most important weapon in the development of early warfare, in that it enabled attacks to be launched with far less risk to the attacker when compared to the risk involved in the use of mêlée combat weaponry. While there are no cave paintings of battles between men armed with clubs, the development of the bow is concurrent with the first known depictions of organized warfare consisting of clear illustrations of two or more groups of men attacking each other. These figures are arrayed in lines and columns with a distinctly garbed leader at the front. Some paintings even portray still-recognizable tactics like flankings and envelopments. Warfare originated independently in other parts of the world as late as 4,000 years ago.
"The Ice Age" refers to the most recent glacial period that peaked approximately 20,000 years ago, in which extensive ice sheets lay over large parts of the North American and Eurasian continents. There are three main types of evidence for ice ages: geological, chemical, and paleontological. Geological evidence for ice ages comes in various forms, including rock scouring and scratching, glacial moraines, drumlins, valley cutting, and the deposition of till or tillites and glacial erratics. Successive glaciations tend to distort and erase the geological evidence, making it difficult to interpret. Furthermore, this evidence was difficult to date exactly; early theories assumed that the glacials were short compared to the long interglacials. The advent of sediment and ice cores revealed the true situation: glacials are long, interglacials short. It took some time for the current theory to be worked out. The chemical evidence mainly consists of variations in the ratios of isotopes in fossils present in sediments and sedimentary rocks and ocean sediment cores. For the most recent glacial periods ice cores provide climate proxies from their ice, and atmospheric samples from included bubbles of air. Because water containing heavier isotopes has a higher heat of evaporation, its proportion decreases with colder conditions. This allows a temperature record to be constructed. However, this evidence can be confounded by other factors recorded by isotope ratios. The paleontological evidence consists of changes in the geographical distribution of fossils. During a glacial period cold-adapted organisms spread into lower latitudes, and organisms that prefer warmer conditions become extinct or are squeezed into lower latitudes. This evidence is also difficult to interpret because it requires (1) sequences of sediments covering a long period of time, over a wide range of latitudes and which are easily correlated; (2) ancient organisms which survive for several million years without change and whose temperature preferences are easily diagnosed; and (3) the finding of the relevant fossils. Glacials are characterized by cooler and drier climates over most of the Earth and large land and sea ice masses extending outward from the poles. Mountain glaciers in otherwise unglaciated areas extend to lower elevations due to a lower snow line. Sea levels drop due to the removal of large volumes of water above sea level in the icecaps. There is evidence that ocean circulation patterns are disrupted by glaciations. Since the Earth has significant continental glaciation in the Arctic and Antarctic, we are currently in a glacial minimum of a glaciation. Such a period between glacial maxima is known as an interglacial. The Earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years. It was conventional wisdom that the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000 years, but this has been called into question recently. For example, an article in Nature argues that the current interglacial might be most analogous to a previous interglacial that lasted 28,000 years. Predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now, even in absence of human-made global warming (see Milankovitch cycles). Moreover, anthropogenic forcing from increased greenhouse gases might outweigh orbital forcing for as long as intensive use of fossil fuels continues.
Can the nations of the earth have existed more than 14,000 years ago? Skeletal remains of modern humans have been dated back to 40,000 years ago in what is now central Europe. Who is to say modern humans did not migrate back to Africa during the past 12,000 to 40,000 years during the last glaciation?
H. erectus leaves Africa to avoid conflict with neighbors 1.8 million years ago. H. sapiens appears .2 million years ago. Some H. Sapiens move back to Africa to escape the ice age. Imagine a nation without a history. The undiscovered story is buried under layers of soil and underwater.
According to Plato, Atlantis was a naval power lying "in front of the Pillars of Hercules" that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon, or approximately 9600 BC. After a failed attempt to invade Athens, Atlantis sank into the ocean "in a single day and night of misfortune".
In Plato's myth, Poseidon fell in love with Cleito, the daughter of Evenor and Leucippe, who bore him five pairs of male twins. The eldest of these, Atlas, was made rightful king of the entire island and the ocean (called the Atlantic Ocean in his honor), and was given the mountain of his birth and the surrounding area as his fiefdom. Atlas's twin Gadeirus, or Eumelus in Greek, was given the extremity of the island towards the pillars of Hercules. The other four pairs of twins—Ampheres and Evaemon, Mneseus and Autochthon, Elasippus and Mestor, and Azaes and Diaprepes—were also given "rule over many men, and a large territory."
Imagine nations of the earth starting in Atlantis 12,000 years ago.
Wow....are you trying to convince me or yourself.
This my man has never been a problem to me....only those who are unsure of their own origins and existence have to prove where they came from.. I never understood the reasoning behind those theories. No one can prove where the original man came from and no one seems to know who that would be....do you?
I don't know where original man came from, but I have heard very strange stories that fractured the familiar fables of creation. The Greeks were right about geometry and irrational numbers, and possibly right about Atlantis.
Yet, that is your only frame of reference then you are limited with your knowledge base since the Greeks traveled and learned in Ancient Africa. We can discuss further when your knowledge base has opened further. Thanks anyway....
Personally I can't make heads or tails of wtf you're talking about.
Do you think I posted this for you?
Those who understand will do so...those who don't ARE NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!
Nope. Totally random.
Are you perhaps hinting at the ideas spawned by the origin of Moorish racism spawned have spawned modern lines of racist thought?
Racism is most definitely a learned behavior as well. Not some part of what it means to be a person.
[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (1317) 24 minutes ago
Only albinos have no melanin. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
My point exactly!! Look it up!!! How does albinoism affect each race?
Wonder why people are so against race mixing?
Science never lies, people do!
There is a reason racism exists....most people don't understand the Truth as to why....
So, why did the Moors invade other areas that had already been settled by civilized people:Christian Gothic Roman Catholics in Spain and Portugal, Christian Frankish Roman Catholics in France and Christian Greek Orthodox in Constantinople, and Christian Eastern Europe for nearly 1000 years?
Attacks on Christians by Muslims still occur. Why have Muslims come to live in the West in modern times?
Guffaw!!!! Are you serious? You're asking me about the Moors?
Ask your daddy!!!
I thought you might know.
[-]1 points by Neuwurldodr (525) 4 weeks ago
Part II
Let us look at true history, not made up Texas bull shyt!!!
Re: Were The Moors Black Or Arab? by Horus(m): 2:42pm On Jan 08 The Moors
By RUNOKO RASHIDI
It would not be inaccurate to say that the Moors helped reintroduce Europe to civilization.
Once again....are there not any original thought processes on this subject?
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