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Forum Post: A New Religion for a New Age?

Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 23, 2013, 9:05 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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Long ago some human being picked up a stone, with it learned to kill, and to dissect, and the killing and the dissection yet has never ceased, such that today we live upon the very pinnacle of human achievement. While we live among abundance and ensconced snugly in our comfort, that achievement lies barren and exposed and screaming out to heaven: WE ARE MAD.

And indeed, this is the primary function of religion - to curb our madness.

Though one can rely on Godwin's Law and prove the madness that is man, such proofs do not end there, and in fact from there they cannot be said to have begun. Yet that massive orgy of slaughter and of dissection does make it plain and completely undeniable. But there are other, more contemporary examples, examples where our overwhelming lust for comfort results in human suffering and death that rivals that of any single madman,

it is unintended,

and to it we remain indifferent.

This TRUTH is undeniable, it resides within the eyes of men and women, and their children, throughout the oil fields of South America, among the Ogoni people of Nigeria, every bit as much as it may be said to have been written plainly in the rain that fell black as smoke and burned in the sands of Kuwait.

We stand, I say, at the pinnacle of human achievement. We have no need of new religion. Why would we seek to devise some new method of manipulating the masses, when we have enough of these already, some of them highly evolved and far more delicate and precise than mere tv.

We must simply understand the point of all religion, we must see that it has identified the source of all our madness, though no religion ever said: Conservative.

Instead we have a list, a list of habits which the conservative does embrace, and which the conservative does teach, and which the conservative does reveer, a list of human traits to be esteemed above all else as if they were the sum and substance of all virtue:

wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, gluttony

Atlas may shrug.

I will not.

We have no need of new religion.

We must decide if we will curb that lust for more that even now propels us toward a future that the human species may not survive.

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[-] 4 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 10 years ago

I think we should all make a simple promise to ourselves: I will not believe that which isn't true.

Before the enlightenment, this idea was like completely unheard of.
Even today, most people don't think that way.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

What is true, Jart, is that irresponsible moderation is destroying the little credibility left on this forum.

Are you actively interested in ending this forum?

Or do you wish it to continue?

[-] 6 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 10 years ago

Don't be silly. I've been putting lots of time and effort into the forum lately to make it better. I thought you would be happy.

Why aren't you happy? (._.)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

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[-] 3 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 10 years ago

Go away thrasy. Build your own forum if you don't like the way the moderation here works.

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[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

Take a look around.

Ask a few questions.

It's your forum.

And it's going to hell in a handbasket.

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[-] 4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 10 years ago

Pope attacks global economy for worshiping 'god of money' [Holy SHIT!]

By Philip Pullella, Reuters

CAGLIARI, Sardinia — Pope Francis made one of his strongest attacks on the global economic system on Sunday, saying it could no longer be based on a "god called money" and urged the unemployed to fight for work.

Francis, at the start of a day-long trip to the Sardinian capital, Cagliari, put aside his prepared text at a meeting with unemployed workers, including miners in hard hats who told him of their situation, and improvised for nearly 20 minutes.

"I find suffering here ... It weakens you and robs you of hope," he said. "Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity."

He discarded his prepared speech after listening to Francesco Mattana, a 45-year-old married father of three who lost his job with an alternative energy company four years ago.

Mattana, his voice trembling, told the pope that unemployment "oppresses you and wears you out to the depths of your soul."

AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino
People wave white and yellow Vatican flags as they wait for Pope Francis to arrive at the Sanctuary of the Madonna of Bonaria, to celebrate a mass on the occasion of his one day visit to the island of Sardinia, in Cagliari, Italy, Sunday, Sept. 22, 2013.

The crowd of about 20,000 people in a square near the city port chanted what Francis called a prayer for "work, work, work." They cheered each time he spoke of the rights of workers and the personal devastation caused by joblessness.

The pope, who later celebrated Mass for some 300,000 people outside the city's cathedral, told them: "We don't want this globalised economic system which does us so much harm. Men and women have to be at the centre (of an economic system) as God wants, not money."

"The world has become an idolator of this god called money," he said.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

work is not is what is at issue but distribution of resources

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 10 years ago

Work with livable, better yet, profitable wages.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

the earth is of limited resource

a closed system

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 10 years ago

It will survive us

trust me

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 10 years ago

The solar system has plenty of resources. We just need to get out of LEO.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

Pope says

the pride of the poor is a stake

we must put them to work

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 10 years ago

I agree with the Pope on this. Never thought I would say that.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 years ago

I do not

life is a gift not a chore

work is necessary to provide and achieve for ourselves

not a goal with in itself

[-] 1 points by owsarmy (271) 10 years ago

A small success for progressive ideas. Let's see how the extremist US Cath Bishops react/proceed.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 10 years ago

apparently not the first time they brought in the Jesuits to clean up the mess

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

Perhaps it's the Earth that will eventually shrug.

http://www.occupy.com/article/scientists-issue-starkest-warning-yet-5th-ippc-report-earths-climate

It never needed Atlas in the first place.

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[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

It's always amazed me, how few of the most rabid so called "supporters" around here, never comment on this, instead spending their time worrying about so called censorship.

It never dawned on them, that ignoring this issue is in and of itself, a form of censorship.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

Murdock's religion got a boost in Oz.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/20/2650601/australia/

Barely a word from builder.

They can't even come up with new arguments.

Same old, same old.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/09/19/2641081/moniz-mccarthy-climate-hearing/

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

Treason, not only at a National level, but at a Planetary level.

There isn't a single reason why they wouldn't know better.

They're only saying it for the money.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

You make an assumption that Mudrock is Australian.

He's now American, and he's been influencing political spheres in the US and Europe for as long as he'd owned newspapers and television stations.

Fox nooz ring any bells shooz?

http://theconversation.com/murdoch-and-his-influence-on-australian-political-life-16752

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

You can have him back...............:)

Please?

Oh, wait.............He just came back, in full force.

You guys did birth him.

I say this in jest builder.

I sincerely hope you can find a way to quickly negate the damage he's about to do.

Try and keep us abreast.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

The upper house of parliament is still not dominated by mudrock's shills. Should the sitting govt continually fail in their attempts to push their agenda through the upper house, a situation called a "double dissolution" will occur, and all parties will be called to account, and new federal election will ensue.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

Still, don't underestimate these people.

Their "foot" is now very much in the door.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

I'm inclined to over-estimate "these people".

Our federal member is quite responsive to questions online, and I'm inviting him to our MAM. He's totally unaware of genetically modified foods, so he's looking into the situation before considering his appearance at our rally.

His shadow minister is also on the invite list, so we will see what comes of that.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

I have no idea how that works.

Let us know how it goes.

Shadow ministers...........sounds sinister.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

All ministers in the opposition party are shadow ministers.

Their job is to watch the sitting minister, and either consider other options, or keep a watch of the costs involved in what the sitting minister is doing.

It's called the Westminster system. I don't agree with it, but it's what we have.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

You had a workable system.

It's been co-opted by corporations and banksters.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

I've heard that rumor too and somehow, I don't think we are alone.

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