Forum Post: A NEW Pledge of Allegiance
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 13, 2012, 10:20 p.m. EST by godsbestjoke
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I pledge allegiance NOT to a flag but to freedom and fairness for all
and to a creator who offers hope of ONE world - indivisible
where liberty and justice are not just for sale but free and fair for all
Of course,liberty and justice should never be for sale ,however,the real freedom is quite safe but is denied to people.
Hmmmm. Ok....:)
http://www.truth-out.org/losing-world-american-decline-perspective-part-1/1329233978
Link above is Noam Chomkey post, 14 FEB 2012, putting things in Perspective.
The Congress is suppoed to defend Individual Rights through the US Constitution, but why did they go to Vietnam, Iraq, and Even Afghanistan?
I bit shorter than when under god was introduced to the pledge during the McCarthy period
Yes. I think creator allows for wiggle-room and god's probably busy enough.
Every good pledge of allegiance needs wiggle room. #sarcasm
Here's the pledge that congress is now considering:
"I pledge allegiance to the CEO of the United Corporations of America and to the Fascist Republic for which it stands, one corporation, under dictated media, divisible, with less liberty and corporal punishment for all."
;(
Yeah, it's true. We're all being assimilated. It's been going on for decades now. I;m just glad folks are beginning to wake up and at least talk about it.
...;) Damn, that's a GOOD ONE!
It seems to be the truth too!
Yes, unfortunately it does seem true .............. but then again, it's what keeps us united, and why most of us are here. :)
Cheers
That's a good way to look at it.
And may NO-ONE be above the law!
Right!
I like it ;)
Good pledge, but please don't cede the American flag to the tyrannical fascists on the right. They don't deserve it. They misrepresent it. And their use of it is nothing short of fraud.
The flag represents the people, democracy, truth, justice and the American way.
Don't shun the flag because the right abuses it. We should embrace the flag because it represents all that Occupy and the 99% stand for. It says it all in just one glimpse.
Every Occupy event should proudly fly American flags!!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
So your saying Occupy should fly the flag instead of burn it? What a novel idea.... Oh and anyone who identifies as right wing is now fascist? Interesting.....
Franklin D. Roosevelt “ The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. ”
— Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 29, 1938. Message to congress.
Now and then. Still interesting?
Nicely said and I agree with what you said. I don't have a problem with America, Americans, or the American flag. I just see an opportunity in what most folks call a problem.
I like the flag. I HAVE one. It's just that I no longer want to "promise to die" for (it). I want to spend what time I DO have left pledging my allegiance to the betterment of mankind as a whole. It just seems like the right thing to do...in the long-run.
I'm not really religious, but lately I've been wondering what god might say to a person just prior to judgement who has pledged his allegiance to a symbol that represents democracy, truth and justice for only 1/20 of his most prized creation? Maybe he'd say; "Why would I just bless America?...I BLESS EVERYTHING!"
Just sayin'.
Except for people who believe in something different from you...
Yes, there's a stinky pool of hypocrisy around the zealous patriotism espoused by the right, which often includes our American flag, and the abrupt void of patriotism where it involves making more money, offshoring and outsourcing, while the country suffers joblessness, foreclosure, homelessness and poverty. They'll send us off to die to protect their interests in oil, and call it our patriotic duty.
They'll put us through a second great Republicon Depression, and they are fine as long as it makes them money. Jerking off to the flag as they collect ever more capital gains checks, while America sifts through the trash heap.
And they'll happily send in their militarized police forces to bust us up or worse when we dare to amass and present our displeasure with these intolerably unjust conditions.
Their use of our flag is fraud.
Our use of it is what the flag was meant to stand for, freedom (from theocracy and other tyranny), democracy (of, by and for the people) and justice for all.
Occupy with flags!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
This IS cool! If more people thought like this I think we'd all get along better. Thanks for posting!
yw.....thanks.
I like this!
It's right and good.
Why does the poster feel that people should take anykind of pledge. Not everyone wants to be a boy scout.
What an amazing feat! You may be right. Why be a boy scout when you have the ability to know how someone else FEELS.
people are not ever going to take a pledge as lame as this one.
Yes they are.
Lets focus on something more important than some idiotic words,
How about....name-calling? You seem to be pretty good at that...:)
Call them as I see them.Your so called pledge is idiotic.
"So-called" is a hyphenated-word...idiot.
Proves my point Your pledge is idiotic.Because the creator lives in a fairy world. And is a joke.
You're right! God IS a joke, but the joke is on you believers. Now you're coming around.
God is not a joke only your pledge.
Ok...What have you made up god to be?
I have not made anything.
Did you make God, or did God make you?
You aren't there yet. Keep trying.
You, madam are right! Truly good things take time to develop, but like you said, we'll just keep trying.
Ya doesn't has to call me sir. It is a pluralistic society and we don't all believe as you do. Even so, we have a right to be here.
That's right! Liberty and justice. Apparently we DO all believe in that.
"Liberty and Justice for ALL", I can whole heartedly support that.
Cool! I knew we could find common-ground....;) Talk 2 ya later Bright.
So you want a One World Government.
If you want to phrase it that way then....sure.
Why?
Because we all live on this great ball of ours and it seems almost petty to find all the ways we can to divide us instead of looking for ways to unite us.
God is dead.
A thing 's only dead if it's forgotten.
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I suggest that you look at the world outside of your white American liberal view. Perhaps the rest of the world doen't want a one world government.
You may be right, but you may be wrong. Perhaps they DO!
I'm sure the rest of the world doesn't appreciate individual nations being run by international business cartels either. From the things I have read people all over the world would like to have what betters their situation and I don't think they are too happy about the nuclear weapons and threats of wars.
Excellent point!
You're right, but we're smarter than that, we don't need to lose our sovereignty to do away with the world's nukes and wars.
I am not advocating a world government take absolute power and make all other governments obsolete. I think the citizens of the US are sick of us playing world police and paying for the military to do so. What I want is something more along the lines of what the UN does but that isn't beholden to powerful business interests. I want a world government that is united and can protect the individual governments, not abandon them to the criminal syndicates that currently use them.
I see governments as nothing but tools. These tools are largely in the wrong hands and we all know it.
Yes, I agree with that. But I think it is worse that that also. We are pretty much paying mercenaries for convienence. I think it is like congress not signing a budget or declaring war. No responsibility and no liability.
And besides creating economic caos, killing hundereds of thousands of people, causing hundereds of thousands of refugees, and the disease that goes with war and refugees, .... we need to own up to the fact that our US Leaders and our covert agencies - interfere with sovereign nations and sovereign democracies. Did you ever hear of British Guyana and the US Involvement there?
No I have not learned about Guyana that I can recall but I am familiar with many other instances where the US has interfered with democratically elected governments. I just read a book on US and British involvement in Iran in the early 1950s called 'All the Shah's Men'. It was the first democracy that the US overthrew with the CIA (John Foster Dulles was an evil monster and is responsible for much of the hate of the US even to this day) and opened the door to all the ones that followed. It is appalling what they were able to do with bribes, strategic propaganda and manufactured mobs. They overthrew Mossadegh and had him imprisoned in a matter of hours. He was Time magazine's Man Of The Year less than two years before the coup and extremely popular but not to the business interests of the world. The coup was all so the British could get their "property." Iran's oil.
Thanks. I have missed a lot of reading. I still have to read the US Constitution and some have suggested background material on that.
I should look for your book as well. Guyana was on PBS Yesterday where an American Jewish Girl From Chicago became president. Her husband and her ended up organizing a union that was pretty much communist to get basic wages and all. Her husband was president when the CIA came in with agitators and created misery and 1/3 of Georgetown burned. Husband was overthrown, but the new guy was a total dictator and following elections were all corrupt for like 20 years or something. Devastating poverty under this dictator.
Maybe they want to be rich?
I don't know what that means.
We have today more independent nations than in the history of the world while we concurrently enjoy one of the most peaceful periods ever.
Three big factors:
Many small nations are better at meeting the physical, cultural, and geographical needs of its citizens than one large central Gov.
Technological and medical innovations spread around the world quickly and without government obstacles which improve productivity and ease human suffering. That along with international policing by the UN reduces motivation for individual countries to merge into larger entities.
After the first use of atomic weapons in 1945 the % of the population killed in wars dropped for the first time in 1000+ years, and has remained at a low level ever since. Nuclear weapons have actually saved hundreds of millions of lives.
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I had a Vietnam Vet Friend in 1990 who said at any time there are nomally 28 wars going on in the world. I just checked Wikipedia and it has gotten worse. World Conflicts: 10 high intesity conflicts, 31 low, Total of 41 Wars today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts
But "How would you or I know about wars or Covert Actions by the news Media we have?"
Please check this history Book "Lies My Teacher Told Me", by James Loewen. Some good Quotes on this site list some of the Covert Actions that most of us have Never Heard of (Unless you Live Near FT Bragg South Carolina).
http://www.criticalthink.info/Phil1301/lieshist.htm
"Under Wilson, the United States intervened in Latin America more often than at any other time in our history.. In 1917 Woodrow Wilson.. started sending secret monetary aid to the "White" side of the Russian civil war... This aggression fueled the suspicions that motivated the Soviets during the Cold War..." (23-4).
"..Wilson's interventions in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Nicaragua set the stage for the dictators Batista, Trujillo, the Duvaliers, and the Somozas.." (24).
More data on the current low level of war that we enjoy:
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/17/winning_war_on_war_excerpt/
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/15/think_again_war?page=full
As a percentage of the world population the number of wars and war related casualties are at an all time low.
http://voices.yahoo.com/article/9216583/nuclear-weapons-ironic-peace-comes-having-10616185.html
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Thanks. I'll start checking your links above now. I was just looking at oil stocks, and had an idea though. It could be that the US has created all these wars and may have been involved in providing support to rebels in the Middle East to create churn to prevent forward movement in replacing the dollar for petroleum trade (or just creation of other competing alternatives).
Do unto others as you would want done unto you. That's kinda what I'm getting at here folks. It seems that we've learned to communicate in a way dictated to us by governments and we can no longer talk as individuals. Working together. What a concept. It used to be that we LIKED to do that. I know peace is a tough-sale, but why try to muck-up the idea with psycho-analytic mumbo-jumbo. I'm sure nukes have SAVED hundreds of millions of lives, but we're not neanderthals any more. (Well...at least not most of us). Keep It Simple.
I agree with you. It I go into a bar and say the word corporation, guys will get up and say I'm a democrat. People are Positional or Polarized in many ways.
Anyway I agree in the US we can not discuss things anymore. We will be rejected if we are on the wrong side. And actually people will pull an individual away because he is known to be hot tempered. This is truely NOT democracy. People live out their lives without knowing that we live in a mixed economy and not knowing that we have a limited republic form of government.
The counter-intuitive and unforeseen consequence of nuclear weapons is that they have turned out to be a great stabilizing technology. They have reduced the number of wars and war casualties, and BTW they are really cheap compared to conventional weapons and armies. That leaves more money available for humanitarian efforts.
The question is: if the US gets rid of those weapons will we actually cause more war and human suffering?
Oh I Just found this video has a good statement from Noam Chomky about 19 minutes into it he is explaining how the threat of NUCLEAR War has gotten greater due to Bush Policies that we are following.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/31/exclusive_noam_chomsky_on_failed_states
One unexpected benefit from nuclear weapons is that we currently enjoy one of the most peaceful eras in mans history.
After the first use of atomic weapons in 1945 the % of the population killed in wars dropped for the first time in 1000+ years, and has remained at a low level ever since.
http://voices.yahoo.com/article/9216583/nuclear-weapons-ironic-peace-comes-having-10616185.html http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/foreign/mearsh.htm http://tqe.quaker.org/2007/TQE159-EN-War.html
I've been acosted by a Japanese College Student because of the Nuclear Bombing of Japan. He was fully Enraged about the bombing. There is a Grey area if you researcch the reasons for the bombing, the use of two bombs, and the millions of people affected by the bombing. If your mind and heart are open, you too CAN AT LAST LEARN THE COST OF WAR. Surf the internet.
Do you really think War is a Black and White issue of right and wrong. Do you REALLY think there isn't any propaganda about war. Aren't the Simple messages about war REALLY an attempt to Dumb You Down???
Israel is widely believed to possess weapons of mass destruction, and to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).[1] The US Congress Office of Technology Assessment has recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared chemical warfare capabilities, and an offensive biological warfare program.[2] Officially Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing nuclear weapons.
Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses from 75 to as many as 400 nuclear weapons, which are reported to include thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range.[3][4][5] Israel is also reported to possess a wide range of different systems, including neutron bombs, tactical nuclear weapons, and suitcase nukes.[6] Israel is believed to manufacture its nuclear weapons at the Negev Nuclear Research Center.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Below is just info I was finding, but is optional stuff.
The United States conducted around 1,054 nuclear tests (by official count) between 1945 and 1992. Most of these tests took place at the Nevada Test Site and the Pacific Proving Grounds in the Marshall Islands. Some desert areas in the southwest USA are still off-limits because high radiation caused from these tests. Radiation that scientists thought would stay deep in the ground is now making its way to the ground surface. Ten other tests in the same time period took place at various locations in the United States, including Alaska, Colorado, Mississippi, and New Mexico.
The Soviet Union conducted 715 nuclear tests (by official count) between 1949 and 1990. Most of them took place at the Semipalatinsk Test Site in Kazakhstan and the Northern Test Site at Novaya Zemlya. Additional tests were conducted at various locations in Russia and Kazakhstan, while a small number of tests were conducted in Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenia.
The UK has conducted 45 tests (21 in Australian territory, including 9 in mainland South Australia at Maralinga and Emu Field, many others in the U.S. as part of joint test series).
France conducted 210 nuclear tests between February 13, 1960 and January 27, 1996.
The People's Republic of China conducted 45 tests (23 atmospheric and 22 underground, all conducted at Lop Nur Nuclear Weapons Test Base, in Malan, Xinjiang)
India conducted between 5 and 6 tests, at Pokhran.
Pakistan conducted between 3 and 6 tests in response to the Indian tests.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nuclear_explosions_have_there_been#ixzz1mhl21Wpx
In 1945, the USA dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan. Millions were killed or later died from radiation. In total, at least 250,000 people died.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_nuclear_explosions_have_there_been#ixzz1mhlIODsM
The UK booted the people off Bikini and Killed their dogs to create a place for the US to detonate Nucs. Bikinians have yet to return. The island is populated by Bikini Project Department construction workers and some U.S. Department of Energy staff. Bikinians lives have been ruined and would like to go back to their homeland someday.
Was your Japanese friend also fully enraged about the Rape of Nanjing, the Korean Sex Slaves, the Bataan Death March?
There is a lot of debate about this now but at the time there was no debate. The bombs were dropped to save American lives. End of story.
Ah now you are starting to think about the cost of war.
I have to concede point in any fair conversation. Actually I sort of decided that NPR Radio sets the best example of hosts that seem to think how to have a discussion. Of course I am disappointed in many people that are positional. I know you are partly open to the discussion so I am thankful for that.
I just would like to say again to watch information coming out of Think Tanks. The government has to spin info out of self interest and out of politics.
And the fantasy of a one world government is what they yearn for? Please listen to what I am about to tell you: the untalented, mediocre talent professor that pounded that idea into your head was wrong. He/she/it understood nothing of human nature, human culture, human history, and simple common sense of any minimally educated person. Assuming that every culture on the planet wants the same things is the height of egotism.
people support national government which is beyond tribal scale
Some folks are just too smart to know how dumb they are...lol. Funny how you know so much about a person you don't even know.
So I guess what you're saying is believe your bullshit but not theirs. Classic.
Sigh.....
Well, he asked for it.
No professor pounded anything into my head. I am for the most part an autodidact. I never assumed that every culture wants the same thing. The way I see it there are two types of globalization and I want the one that helps people instead of the one that exploits them.
So what's your answer; find MORE WAYS keep people from being civil to one another?
There's a difference between civility and and being united under one flag an ideals. Which by the way would never happen.
Only if Obama says so! It is very important that our nation has both a flag and a pledge that pleases he and Michele. I really mean this and the rest of you fall in line.
Ok.
I know a person with your handle certainly gets it.
You're right, but.......(sshhhh), we don't want to give away trade-secrets.
so you don't believe in the U.S. as a country either? If that's the case then you should feel just as comfortable living in Nigeria (in the majority Muslim section).
You're right.
adios then, have fun in Nigeria (its just like the U.S. you'll see!)
Not ADIOS silly; Mumda. And you're right it is kinda similar.
mumda? ok. Mumda. when the natives are chasing you down the street with AK47's don't call 911, because, well, that's an American thing. Oh and if you get diarrhea from the water, don't go to the doctor, they aren't trained properly you might end up sicker than when you started. Oh i skipped a step, how will you get to the doctor? Will you have a car? A donkey, or maybe you can take their wonderful public transport.
You're assumptions are based on a negative financial outlook. Truth is, (be it good or bad), money does change the circumstances; especially over-seas.
you should be happy that you are American, other countries really do suck.
ALL other countries suck? That's probably arguable.
in my opinion, other countries suck.
and states other than yours suck too? other neighborhoods, other families? Everything and everybody but you...right?
...:)
no, the U.S. , in my opinion is the best nation state on earth and that includes everyone in it. Its people and culture and history that make a country.
Well...if the Americans from other countries are the best, the countries they come from can't suck too much. Right?
No, why do you think they came to the U.S. ?
O.k. well YOU be the one to explain to god why most of what he created sucks.
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Godless bastards.
And YOURS is an attitude of grace? You know, you're right. I do thank god. I thank god for the simple-minded, finger-pointing, everything BUT god-like types like you. I just can't get enough of reading the hateful comments written by you supposed believers. ...:) Thx!
Actually nothing "hateful" was meant by my comment,forgive me. I was just stating a fact. For if God not be thy Father then thous't must be a Bastard.
You sound as if you're somewhat intelligent, but stating a..."fact"? Isn't a fact, according to the book you study, that judgement should be reserved for that same father? Or, like most folks...(who believe)...is there a convenient scripture to justify why gods children should be calling his other children names like god-less bastards instead of offering to wash their feet?
You guys got too much fucking time on your hands
Time is ALL we have.
bmkls mskjdlsa
I like the original much better. This one is pretty lame. It's pc bullshit. Joke.
Yeah, but it got YOU to reply didn't it? That was the whole idea. Thanks.
HE LIKES IT! Otherwise he wouldn't have responded. Besides...what's not to like.......LIBERTY or JUSTICE?
Welcome dude.